Time  Nick           Message
03:27 bagey          .
06:02 jas_           hellllllooooooooooooo minetest!
07:12 jas_           !mod
07:12 MinetestBot    jas_: Prevent new accounts from joining [nonew] by taikedz - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=19720
07:13 jas_           what are the odds?
07:18 Alexand{er|ra} Too many new users? I *wish* I had that problem.
07:24 jas_           hm? oh
07:24 jas_           that's probably the best overall mt mod right there
07:24 Xiong          I've had a very hard time finding a rubber tree... essential to technic. Singleplayer so yes I could just gimme but why cheat if not necessary? I have much prior experience and have scouted hard for well over 20 hrs. Advice?
07:25 jas_           i just mean, that's the exact same result i got last time i did !mod
07:25 jas_           !mod
07:25 MinetestBot    jas_: Prevent new accounts from joining [nonew] by taikedz - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=19720
07:25 jas_           so there, odds are favorable
07:25 jas_           Xiong: i tried once long ago.  are you on the proper mapgen?
07:26 Xiong          Erm... dunno. What should I have and where should I get/put that selection?
07:28 Alexand{er|ra} It's no fun to use "/giveme". I actually have some mod updates I need to release, but I haven't done it because I need new screenshots and lack the jungle grass needed to make those happen. The releases will have to wait.
07:28 jas_           i'm guessing mapgen v6, but who knows?
07:28 Alexand{er|ra} I wouldn't know where to get rubber trees though. Sorry.
07:28 Xiong          I have the most current Android app... plus just a tad newer. Added mods but didn't tinker with mapgen... so I assume v7.
07:29 Xiong          I gather v6 is something of a foul ball.
07:29 jas_           ohh, might wanna look at technic forum thread, maybe it states what mapgen.  maybe it's v7 as well, but harder to find there because more biomes?  i really dunno.  i tried it while back and saw them rarely anyway
07:29 jas_           v6 is ok, just not as many biomes
07:29 jas_           caves are cool tho, and layout is nice.  v7 just a tad more interesting, i never tried the others much
07:30 jas_           but apparently breaks mods?
07:30 jas_           idk
07:31 Xiong          Alex, I've read some obscure files and posts. Rubber needs hot weather, near water, and dirtwithgrass to grow on. So... my one thought was, this place shouldn't exist.
07:32 epoch          it seems like secure.trusted_mods doesn't work for client side mods.
07:34 Xiong          The hot biome is desert so sand, not dirt. Even dirtwithdrygrass might not cut it, so no savanna... I'm guessing.
07:35 Xiong          Jas, I'll try studyup on mapgen, maybe catch a clue there, thanks.
07:35 Alexand{er|ra} Check the mod's code. It probably adds it as a decoration to one or more of the biomes.
07:38 Xiong          What, technic? I installed moretrees.
07:40 jas_           still it's worth it just to use mgv6 because
07:40 jas_           it used to be the default, v7 used to be all stone.  a lot of older mods assumed v6
07:40 Xiong          As I said, I did poke around in it. VE lays down specific requirements... basically a grassdirt beach near a desert, I think.
07:41 jas_           and i said technic because i associate those mods, including mesecons
07:41 jas_           :)
07:41 jas_           !server
07:41 MinetestBot    jas_: Aman ein deutscher Minetest-Server aus Hamburg | hard-soft.meyer-franke.com | Clients: 1/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.16-dev / minetest | Ping: 17ms
07:43 Xiong          After a quick read, think I'm not running v6. I see too much diversity.
07:46 Xiong          Checked. Found setting: v7.
07:46 Alexand{er|ra} Yeah, v6 has hard-coded biomes. Even once the other map generaters had proper biome support, a couple new biomes were added to v6, but I don't think any new biomes are being added to it these days.
07:46 Xiong          So yeh. Ideas?
07:47 Alexand{er|ra} Meanwhile, everything except v6 ans singlenode take on whatever biomes the subgame defines, so you see much more diversity in Minetest Game.
07:47 Alexand{er|ra} Xiong: So this is in moretrees? I'm sure moretrees has proper tree placement in the modern map generators, just based on who built it.
07:48 Alexand{er|ra} I'll see if I can see anything that would help in the source code.
07:48 Xiong          Moreblocks, moretrees, plantlife... the usual old wellused mods.
07:49 Xiong          I have no weird mods in my setup. It's mostly VE's stuff, plus technic.
07:49 Alexand{er|ra} I don't know enough about moreblocks to make any assumptions. I dumped moreblocks when it merged with stairs_plus. Those other two are golden though.
07:51 Xiong          Moreblocks may be a waste of bytes; I added it for safety. Shouldn't have anything to do with rubber.
07:52 Alexand{er|ra} Hmm. The doc gives a temperature level for rubber trees, but not what biome they're in.
07:52 Alexand{er|ra} Xiong: They're very close to water though. Nothing above y=5.
07:52 Xiong          Eh, I may be killing bit trees chatting about this. I tried hard, perhaps I've earned one gimme.
07:55 Xiong          Okay so you read what I read. Moretrees aren't tied to biomes directly. The way I read that table is: hot grassdirt beach. And I don't see that being generated; hot beaches are sandy.
07:55 Alexand{er|ra} Huh. The code doesn't use traditional biomes. It uses custom biome stuff from biome_lib instead. I'm not sure if those biomes line up with the standard biomes.
07:56 Xiong          Need to catch a beach in transition from desert to temperate?
07:56 Alexand{er|ra} Xiong: I don't even know if "hot" for moretrees means the same thing as "hot" to the map generator. You might find them near glaciers, even. I just don't know.
07:57 Alexand{er|ra} Xiong: You do need dirt with grass at y≤5 though.
07:58 Xiong          Now you sound paranoid, Alex. Moretrees spawns pines in snowy dirt, palms on sandy beaches.
07:58 Alexand{er|ra} Sorry. I am paranoid. Everything that can go wrong often does.
07:58 Xiong          Hot grassdirt beaches!
07:59 Alexand{er|ra} Of course the pines end up in snow though and the palms on beaches. That's where the nodes they spawn on are!
07:59 Xiong          Those temps must be in degrees C.
07:59 Alexand{er|ra} I did say grassy areas near glaciers, not that the trees would spawn on the glaciers themselves.
08:00 Xiong          So "above 32" is very hot.
08:00 Alexand{er|ra} But yeah. I'm overly paranoid.
08:00 Alexand{er|ra} Right, very hot for sure.
08:01 Xiong          Well, VE isn't my personal friend but she does grind out working mods, ime. The logic is fairly realistic.
08:02 Alexand{er|ra} Yeah, for sure. I should have more trust.
08:02 Alexand{er|ra} She is certainly one of the best.
08:04 Xiong          Well, I'm looking back to the past. Moretrees and technic have been working well for several years. I didn't expect to hear of a new bug this late, not after searching forums; but I'm getting desperate.
08:04 Alexand{er|ra} I'm working on getting moretrees set back up, then I'll see what I can find in-game.
08:05 Xiong          Please, not for me!
08:06 Alexand{er|ra} Ha ha, you've got me curious.
08:06 Xiong          I'll go sail around another hour and give up, take a gimme sapling and farm up.
08:06 Alexand{er|ra} Might take a while though. I live on a snowy island.
08:08 Alexand{er|ra} I forgot how beautiful some of these trees are.
08:08 Xiong          Ha, I had you beat last world. Spawned 15 blocks up the side of a glacier... with snow, ice, and pine trees for a thousand blocks in every direction.
08:09 Alexand{er|ra} The seed I always use puts me on a steep mountain of an island, completely forested.
08:10 Alexand{er|ra} Do rubber trees have the white markings on the bark like they did when they were a part of technic?
08:10 Alexand{er|ra} Oh, wait. I can just check the textures directory. Duh.
08:11 Xiong          This time, I got a jungle island the size of a dime. I ate ferns for... too long.
08:11 Alexand{er|ra} Yup. Still got that white pattern.
08:11 Xiong          Right, those!
08:12 Alexand{er|ra} I keep firgetting I need to search near water. They don't spawn above y=5.
08:12 Alexand{er|ra} *forgetting
08:13 Xiong          How do you plan to scout for rubber quickly? Fly fast?
08:14 Alexand{er|ra} Yeah. That's what I'm doing. I cloned my world, then granted myself fly and fast in the copy.
08:15 Alexand{er|ra} Ooh, mushrooms. I only found one on my island, and it unfortunately didn't bear spores.
08:18 Xiong          Not familiar with shrooms. Ate a brown one, didn't die.
08:36 Xiong          Keep an eye out for papyrus, too. That used to be common, haven't seen any in three worlds!
08:38 Alexand{er|ra} Xiong: I've seen it around. It spawns near ... I forget what it's called, but the biome with the acacias.
08:38 Alexand{er|ra} The savanna, that's it.
08:39 Xiong          I'll keep looking.
08:39 Alexand{er|ra} It spawns on dirt, then when the dry grass spreads to the dirt, the papyrus stops growing because papyrus grows on dirt or dirt with grass, but not dirt with dry grass.
08:49 Alexand{er|ra} Xiong: This is what I was talking about: <https://unsee.cc/9834f843/>. Tropical trees right near wintery biomes. In this case, it's a palm tree.
08:49 Alexand{er|ra} Anyway, this time, I really am headed to bed.
08:51 Xiong          Well, nighto. Thanks!
10:58 Pyrollo        Hi cube people
11:18 ANAND          Hello there, fellow cube-person :)
13:11 piesquared     Is there any way to join a server from commandline?
13:11 piesquared     Is there any way to join a server from commandline?
13:12 piesquared     So i can afk on a server. :P
13:13 mmuller        piesquared: I'm not sure, but does --address maybe do that?
13:13 piesquared     hmm
13:13 piesquared     lets see! TM
13:17 piesquared     nope.
13:18 piesquared     it launches the GUI and does nothing.
13:19 mmuller        how about if you add --go?
13:23 piesquared     \o/
14:21 piesquared     So, how would i run minetest headless, but connecting to a server with --address and --go?
14:29 scr267         piesquared: Are you talking about running a client headless?
14:30 piesquared     yep
14:30 piesquared     like on my ubuntu server
14:31 scr267         Just curious, and I can see some ideas there, but what's your need for that? :)
14:32 piesquared     I play on blockysurvival and i need an afk account.  Its all positioned, just need to log in
14:32 scr267         It doesn't seem to have a feature to go 'headless'.
14:33 piesquared     well, someone needs to make one. :P
14:33 scr267         I was hoping to have a client connect in terminal mode only as well... :)
14:33 scr267         Just so I can issue server commands, kick ban monitor,etc...
14:34 mmuller        you might want to try running xvfb -- it's effectively an X server without a display
14:34 mmuller        "virtual frame buffer"
14:34 mmuller        not sure if it supports opengl
14:34 piesquared     ??
14:34 scr267         Oooh, and it's installed on my machine :)
14:36 mmuller        yeah, no GLX support :-/
14:39 piesquared     so no current way for me to afk using my ubuntu server?
14:39 scr267         :-/  None that I know of, but I'm not an expert on minetest anyway...
14:40 mmuller        so it looks like there's some info online that suggests that you may be able to configure xvfb with GLX, e.g. https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxquestions/comments/430g0x/xvfb_and_glx/
14:41 mmuller        that said, I can't get it to work.  But you may have more success with it.
14:42 piesquared     ah well. i can run it on my raspberry pi.
14:42 piesquared     did it in a while loop. :P
14:42 piesquared     so, to all players on blockysurvival,
14:42 piesquared     WATCH OUT!  I GOT DA BEST AFK ACCOUNT!
14:43 piesquared     muahaha.
14:44 piesquared     forgot my leave message
16:18 jas_           you can use --go and --address and stuff, it's pretty great.  it's all in --help.
16:31 epoch          if you're using --go and --address you'll probably end up using --password
16:32 epoch          which is not the safest thing to use.
16:36 jas_           someone recently added --password-file for that very reason
16:37 jas_           but it's in 5.0.0-dev
16:37 epoch          OH REALLY?
16:37 epoch          YOU DONT SAY
16:37 epoch          :)
16:37 jas_           well yes let me look at make sure
16:37 jas_           (was it you?)
16:37 epoch          it was me.
16:37 jas_           aha saved me a click :D
16:37 epoch          I have a branch for .4 too
16:38 epoch          that adds the same feature
16:38 jas_           well i used right mouse button to jump for a while in a PR.. but then there was a refactor elsewhere and all was lost
16:39 jas_           i never really recovered... good night (hehe)
16:39 epoch          heh
16:39 epoch          what is it that dorothy says?
16:40 epoch          "Dorothy: My! People come and go so quickly here!"
17:07 nisa           epoch: who is sorothy?
17:08 epoch          main character of The Wizard of Oz
17:08 twoelk         little girl in search of red shoes
17:09 epoch          Judy Garland
17:17 twoelk         no, wait, DOROTHY is a fictious device to release and monitor hundreds of sensors with rotors made of tin cans to study currents within tornados
17:20 VanessaE       based on a real device, or vice-versa.
17:20 epoch          no, wait, dorothy is an android in Big-O
17:21 VanessaE       (except the whole thing was meant to go up into the storm, not release a bunch of sensors
17:21 VanessaE       )
17:27 twoelk         might also be Elmo's goldfish
17:27 VanessaE       heh
17:29 epoch          I don't think we're in Sesame Street anymore, Elmo.
17:33 twoelk         hmm, there also seems to be a green dinosaur, and it's friendship with a guy named Sam is dubbed Sorothy, while <friends of Dorothy> may have another unique meaning
17:34 twoelk         wow the internet is full of interesting info
17:38 VanessaE       the internet is full of shit :P
17:39 twoelk         ask any doctor or archeologist and they will agree that shit might be quite informative
17:39 VanessaE       heh
17:40 Krock          context sounds interesting. time to check loggs
17:42 Krock          challenge is to figure out what's true - or what's fake information
17:53 twoelk         fake? no way. everything we said is true, although some of it might smell fishy
21:00 piesquared     How does one define the “display variable”?
21:01 piesquared     Did that send?
21:01 piesquared     How does one define the “display variable”?
21:01 sfan5          what is a "display variable"?
21:02 piesquared     I don’t even know.
21:02 piesquared     Using it for a headless client with...
21:02 piesquared     Xvfb
21:02 piesquared     I want to set it to 99.
21:03 sfan5          DISPLAY=:99 minetest ...
21:03 mmuller        piesquared: export DISPLAY=:99
21:03 mmuller        yeah :-)
21:03 sfan5          this will get you low performance and high cpu usage though
21:04 sfan5          even if you're not looking at the actual render result
21:04 piesquared     Eh, it’s my remote server
21:04 piesquared     Just want to load something.