Time  Nick         Message
01:19 Taoki        I'm once more receiving weird emails about strange stories whom I have no background and knowledge of, apparently sent to two dozen people in a dev team. Has anyone else gotten them so I can confirm it's what I think it is?
01:20 Taoki        Something about a Ruslan1. Is it from the Minetest community?
01:34 ChimneySwift Taoki: likely a spam email from a salty ex community member
10:41 Derixithy    I'm updating licence info of my subgame. SInce i lost halve of my progress end haven't worked on it 7 months i lost some of the info. So does anyone remember creating some cilindrical object files for me? I lost the url and would like to update the info on this.
12:47 MinetestBot  02[git] 04minetest@quidecco.de -> 03Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: replace deprecated function call 13f8e5755 https://git.io/fpEUq (152018-11-25T12:46:27Z)
13:06 MinetestBot  02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix macro warning due to incorrect define conjunction 13d83fe16 https://git.io/fpEU5 (152018-11-25T12:54:22Z)
16:41 Unarelith    Is anyone working on issue #6963? Something like this could be REALLY useful. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6963
16:41 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6963 -- Node bound entities
16:42 rubenwardy   not that I know of
16:42 rubenwardy   you could ;)
16:42 Unarelith    Sure, I have a lot of free time these days
16:42 Unarelith    But I'm still not familiar with MT codebase
16:44 Unarelith    So if someone has a bit of free time to help me find my way through MT code, could be really nice
16:46 Krock        content_cao -> client active objects. the server-side counterpart is content_sao. entities and players are included there
16:46 Krock        whereas for nodes you'd have to look into mapblock, server and clientenvironment
16:46 rubenwardy   Krock is the entity attachment guy, grab him
16:47 Unarelith    oh nice!
16:47 rubenwardy   ha, well
16:47 rubenwardy   he fixed some stuff lately
16:47 rubenwardy   :)
16:47 Krock        errks no
16:47 rubenwardy   including the #1 bug on CTF
16:47 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1 -- GlowStone code by anonymousAwesome
16:47 rubenwardy   entities detaching themselves
16:47 Krock        it's still horribly broken because the camera position seems to reset soemtimes
16:47 rubenwardy   oh great
16:47 rubenwardy   I had hope then
16:48 Krock        that's why attachment selection boxes stop working outside of 200m around spawn (or similar)
16:48 rubenwardy   huh
16:49 Krock        speaking of children attachments, attached to the player
16:49 Krock        and for some
16:49 Krock        s/.*//
16:49 Unarelith    Krock, I'm wondering if these node-bound entities should be cao only since they're mainly used for animation
16:50 Unarelith    some people discussed about animation sync between clients
16:50 Unarelith    that would be a problem if these entities are client-only
16:50 Krock        you could also look into altering node specs on the fly and position-specific using metadata
16:51 Krock        the server would need to keep the entities as well because new joined players won't see them otherwise
16:51 Krock        and about syncing: that won't be possible. you can only try to make it precise by predicting lag and packet trip time
16:52 Krock        since they would be node-bound it might break maps if you don't pay attention
16:53 Krock        i.e. ensure compatibility
16:57 Unarelith    for me, the main goal is to provide a way to show current node state through a client-side entity animation, I don't think animation syncing is really necessary since node metadata would be the reference here
16:59 Unarelith    for example, I'm making an open barrel. this barrel can contain a block, or a block part (for example 1 sapling in the barrel = 1/12 dirt block), and it can contain water/clay/lava, etc...
17:00 Unarelith    currently, it would require creating a node for each state for the barrel, for example `barrel_empty`, `barrel_dirt_0`, `barrel_dirt_1`, ... , `barrel_water_0`, `barrel_water_1`, ...
17:00 Krock        or an empty barrel plus an entity which is then stretched and assigned to the right item
17:01 Krock        "wielditem" entity types would replicate nodes pretty much as how you need them
17:01 Krock        kinda what item frames do
17:01 Unarelith    Krock, can you defined drawtype = "leveled" on an entity? didn't find anything in the docs/repo
17:04 Krock        no, but you won't need that one if you can replicate it with "wielditem"
17:05 Krock        although the texture might look cramped when you only change the Y scale property
17:06 Unarelith    that's not an issue for me since only the top face is shown in my barrel
17:12 Unarelith    Krock, with the current engine, is it possible to change dynamically entity size? or do I need to create an entity per state? (1/12 dirt, 2/12 dirt, etc..)
17:15 rubenwardy   looks like you can with visual_size
17:15 rubenwardy   but X and Z must be the same scale
17:15 rubenwardy   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L5485
17:19 Unarelith    I'm aware of `visual_size`, my question was "how to change its value dynamically"
17:22 Unarelith    I know I can do something like `minetest.registered_entities[name].initial_properties.visual_size.y = value`
17:22 Unarelith    But this will change all the entities
17:26 thetoolman   hey there, i am running the game in place and the subgame mods are blue and cant be enabled in the world configuration interface. any clue why this is?
17:26 thetoolman   grey being disabled and blue being enabled
17:26 thetoolman   sorry, green being enabled
17:27 thetoolman   would really like to have some stairs and tnt
17:28 thetoolman   v5dev
17:31 Krock        Unarelith:
17:31 Krock        local objects = minetest.get_objects_inside_radius(pos, radius)
17:31 Krock        if #objects == 1 then bingo end
17:32 Krock        then possibly objects:get_luaentity().visual_size
17:33 Unarelith    ok thanks I'll try that
17:33 Krock        here's how you could change the texture on the fly: https://github.com/SmallJoker/stapled_bread/blob/master/init.lua#L39-L47
17:33 Krock        and rotate it
17:33 Krock        s/texture/target node/
17:34 Krock        otherwise we might need to introduce the y param for visual size too
17:34 Krock        *z
17:36 Unarelith    Krock, is it normal that a basic wielditem entity is bigger than a node by default?
17:37 Krock        yes, use scale 0.666 or similar
17:38 Krock        after it's matching an entire node you can calculate the wanted size linearly
17:39 Unarelith    ok, but why? it's weird or there's something I don't understand
17:41 Unarelith    scale = 1 should be the default node size
17:42 Krock        I know. legacy reasons, possibly
17:43 Unarelith    it's something that could change starting from 5.0.0 then
17:44 Unarelith    rubenwardy, do you know if this is in an issue/PR somewhere?
17:45 Krock        5.0.0 isn't meant to break mods
17:46 Unarelith    I know, but 5.0.0 is meant to be less backward compatible
17:47 Unarelith    why keep something absolutely weird and unconvenient
17:47 Krock        it's just a number
17:47 Krock        not like that it would make things impossible
17:48 Unarelith    that's my point, it's just a number, it wouldn't be too hard for mod devs to change it for 5.0.0, but it would makes the engine more consistent, so I don't see a valid reason to keep this
17:49 rubenwardy   citation needed for the 0.66 thing
17:50 Unarelith    rubenwardy, to make a wielditem entity sized like a regular node, you currently have to use `visual_size={x=0.666, y=0.666}`, it's weird and unconvenient
17:50 rubenwardy   have you actually tried this?
17:50 Unarelith    yes, and 0.666 seems to be exactly the regular node size
17:51 rubenwardy   reading the code, visual_size is a direct multiplier for it
17:51 rubenwardy   so what's happening is that the wielditem is drawn at a different size to begin with
17:52 rubenwardy   so to change the 0.666 thing, you'll also have to change wield item and inventory mesh things
17:53 rubenwardy   well, you could just add it as a multiple to visual size
17:54 Unarelith    yes, but I don't really know where to look for these things in MT code
17:54 rubenwardy   that's a generic you, not a specific you
17:54 rubenwardy   English is strange
17:55 rubenwardy   also
17:55 rubenwardy   !c 1/0.666666
17:55 MinetestBot  1.5000015000015001
17:55 LMD          rubenwardy could you please look into your email ?
17:56 rubenwardy   is this the email I replied to yesterday?
17:56 LMD          I did not receive any reply. Did your reset the password ?
17:56 rubenwardy   yes
17:56 LMD          Ok, thanks ! Problem solved !
17:56 LMD          !next
17:56 MinetestBot  Another satisfied customer. Next!
17:57 rubenwardy   check your spam?
17:57 LMD          Well how did your message make it into spam ?
17:57 LMD          Also, IDK how I can check my spam using Thunderbird :/
18:02 Krock        -> Spam directory on the left side
18:32 Giorge       Hmm
18:36 Krock        HMMM INTENSIFIES
18:37 Giorge       Never actually been here succesfully. Most of the time i get thrown to overpopulated channels
18:37 Giorge       This channels always pretty crouded
18:41 Krock        crowded but idling a lot
18:41 Giorge       Good...i guess
18:41 VanessaE     yeah, lot of fuel being wasted
18:41 VanessaE     all this idling
18:42 Giorge       Oh whoa, never expected active developers
18:42 * VanessaE   hides behind Krock
18:43 Giorge       Lol im not here to bomb with questions
18:54 Giorge       E
18:59 Krock        F
19:00 _Gi          E wws an accident
19:02 _Gi          But since im here ill ask a question
19:03 _Gi          As a typical minetester i tried downloading MT in my phone. But since the last update it kerps crushing when i try opening. I deleted it and redowloaded it many times but still
19:08 rubenwardy   could be related to it being built incorrectly
19:09 _Gi          You think?
19:09 _Gi          Any tips?
19:10 Giorge       Or just wait till next update
19:10 Krock        5.0-dev build and enjoy the features
19:11 Giorge       On my computer i still have the 0.4.17.1 build
19:12 rubenwardy   there's this build by stujones: https://www.dropbox.com/s/uyuvn5bqz9itj6t/Minetest-debug.apk?dl=0
19:12 rubenwardy   not it's not network compatible
19:13 Giorge       Oh alright ill save the link
19:13 rubenwardy   if you need to play multiplayer, then try nerzhuls attempt (bless) at building correctly: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/releases/download/0.4.17.1/Minetest-0.4.17.1-3.apk
19:14 Giorge       You are a big help. Thx, ill try this
19:14 rubenwardy   I'd try the first link first, if you don't need multiplayer
19:15 rubenwardy   it has a lot of improvements
19:15 Giorge       I actually want the multiplayer just to visit no IRC-ed servers
19:15 Giorge       Not*
19:17 Giorge       Im off
19:17 Giorge       Thx for everything
19:17 rubenwardy   yw
20:20 Unarelith    minetest code standard has a 80-ish column limit?
20:23 VanessaE     ish.
20:23 VanessaE     lines can exceed 80 chars if there's a really good reason to do so.
20:25 Unarelith    80 is so bad for readability. my school used 80 chars for their C standard, this were alright, but with C++ it's another story
20:26 Unarelith    the number 80 is historical, but I think 120 is more adapted to modern C++ code
20:28 Unarelith    VanessaE, I'm crying when I see things like this: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/content_sao.h#L101-L165
20:29 Unarelith    minetest global code structure has so many issues
20:31 Unarelith    but giving the actual state of the project, even if I fix things, I don't think it could be merged easily because it would invalidate all previous PRs
20:33 scr267       !mod dive helmet
20:33 MinetestBot  scr267: Could not find anything.
20:33 scr267       !mod dive
20:33 MinetestBot  scr267: Unbreakable screwdriver [screwdiver] by indriApollo - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10535
20:33 scr267       !mod scuba
20:33 MinetestBot  scr267: Breath underwater like scuba diving [underwater] by fergoy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=18378
20:33 Unarelith    scr267, you can also search here: https://content.minetest.net/
20:34 scr267       Unarelith, ah thank you! :)
20:41 rubenwardy   80 is pretty standard
20:41 Unarelith    80 is *historical
20:41 Unarelith    that's why it becames standard
20:41 VanessaE     there's no reason for it to be standard.
20:46 scr267       Anyone know a good scuba diving mod? or underwater breating mod?
20:46 scr267       breathing
20:55 Gundul       hazmat from armour mod
21:05 scr267       Gundul: thank you
21:20 Unarelith    Just opened #7899 for architectural improvement
21:20 ShadowBot    https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7899 -- Architectural improvement needed
23:02 xrogaan      Unarelith: what's the difference between one file with too many classes and a folder with too many files?
23:03 Unarelith    xrogaan, both are bad practices