Time Nick Message 00:06 xrogaan well, instead of xmodmap the kbcommon library. 00:06 xrogaan xkbcommon 00:45 Ruslan1 Hi MarisaG 00:50 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Ezhh -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Add plantlike_rooted coral 1321f5eaa https://git.io/fpskd (152018-11-15T00:49:16Z) 00:56 Fixer_ \o/ 12:02 xrogaan How can I change minetest's language? 12:02 xrogaan want to run the game in english. 12:19 sfan5 add "language = en" (without the quotes) in minetest.conf 12:20 sfan5 or if you don't need any language support, just delete the locale folder 12:21 xrogaan I use the debian backports package, so deleting the locale folder might be a bit hard :) 12:21 xrogaan minetest-mapper doesn't work on debian either. 12:22 xrogaan http://dpaste.com/0WY9NM2 12:23 xrogaan using 0.4.17.1+repack-1~bpo9+1, mapper comes with minetest-data 12:24 xrogaan might it be due to mods? 12:25 sfan5 no it's because debian ships 1.5+ year-old software 12:25 xrogaan python's too old? 12:25 sfan5 the python mapper has bee deprecated for longer than that, even 12:25 xrogaan oh, mapper is dead. okay :) 12:25 sfan5 install this one from source https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper 12:26 sfan5 what is debian even doing shipping the python mapper with 0.4.17.1 12:26 sfan5 wtf 12:28 dzho I'm sure patches are welcome. 12:30 sfan5 the thing is, this isn't a missing feature or similar; debian is actively doing the effort of shipping something that was removed from the repo more than 1 year ago 12:30 dzho "actively" 12:31 * dzho hits up packages.debian.org/minetest to take a look 12:34 * dzho takes a look at https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/releases for comparison 12:34 dzho oh, hmm. 12:35 dzho this is the point at which it seems reasonable to wonder what the hell even is a release and how someone might know 12:36 * dzho hits up Ctrl F for 0.4 ... already fails 12:37 sfan5 the mapper is not versioned alongside the engine because it's version independent 12:37 xrogaan https://salsa.debian.org/games-team/minetest < they have their own repo, the mapper hasn't been touched in years. 12:38 * dzho repeats same exercise in https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/releases to same results 12:38 dzho same question applies 12:40 xrogaan include minetest-mapper into the minetest-data package << from minetest (0.4.6+repack-5), 2013. 12:40 xrogaan so it was included then never removed. 12:41 sfan5 I guess because keeping it is less work than figuring out a new piece of software 12:41 dzho have they just been making up these version numbers, or is this some version scheme that minetest upstream has moved away from, or what? 12:41 sfan5 is it usual that debian packages keep their own "fork" of the source repo? 12:42 dzho sorry, I'm not sure how to talk to you about debian because I'm not sure what your level of familiarity with it is. 12:43 sfan5 I'm not familiar with debian's packaging policies at all, hence the question 12:43 dzho like, I assume you understand bug reports, being a developer yourself, but I'm not seeing any discussion of whether or not there are debian bugs open on this, let alone patches. 12:44 dzho yeah, I'm not a debian developer, but what I do know is that they at least have *had* policies since longer than a lot of projects have even existed. 12:45 sfan5 dzho: by the way, the minetest/minetestmapper repository is a rewrite and has never contained the old python version, so you won't find any 0.4 versions in there 12:45 sfan5 the python mapper was inside the util/ folder of minetest/minetest 12:46 dzho so it inherited that version number from the parent project? 12:46 dzho and when did the parent project switch from 0.4 to dates as release numbers? 12:46 sfan5 it didn't, that's my point 12:46 dzho or are we not equating github-hosted "releases" as real releases 12:47 xrogaan sfan5: the "fork" is actually for their own history of changing debian patch and ruleset. 12:47 dzho that is my point, which is that how does someone like me who doesn't live and breathe your project even figure this out? 12:47 dzho I play a little bit of another infiniminer-inspired game and occasionally check in to see how minetest is going because freedom, etc 12:48 sfan5 if you ask me, minetestmapper should not be packaged in the same package as the engine, so you wouldn't need to figure this out 12:48 xrogaan the mapper is in data, alongside other utilities. 12:48 sfan5 that's how debian does it, yes 12:49 dzho well, that's how whover did this *for* debian did it. 12:49 dzho whoever* 12:49 * dzho digs around for info about who maintains this for debian 12:50 xrogaan look at the changelog 12:50 dzho which changelog for what 12:51 xrogaan https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/minetest 12:51 sfan5 https://packages.debian.org/buster/minetest < lists the debian games team and three people 12:52 dzho cool, I guess you know how to get in contact with someone about this, if you want. 12:53 xrogaan Markus Koschany is the most active as per the tracker. 12:54 dzho lol, looks like they have a few things on their plates: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?email=pkg-games-devel%40lists.alioth.debian.org 12:54 dzho I'm sure they'd appreciate some pointers. 12:55 dzho by the way, I love that a game appears as the first entry in the list of *all* packages on most distros 12:55 dzho because "0ad" 13:29 xrogaan sfan5: what's this colors.txt? 13:29 xrogaan `Warning: Falling back to using colors.txt from current directory.' < the mapper is failing with that 13:29 xrogaan oh, nevermind 13:31 xrogaan it's included in the repo, I just built the software in a dedicated folder for cleanliness. 15:13 CAESARFERRVM Salve est 15:14 scr267 Ave Caesar! 15:14 scr267 Morituri te salutant! 15:17 CAESARFERRVM Salve est piesquared 15:18 piesquared Hm? 15:18 CAESARFERRVM Yeah 15:18 piesquared No Latin. 15:18 CAESARFERRVM ok :P 15:19 emperor anyways, how goes the server network? 15:19 reset I need to get used to IRC :P 15:22 piesquared Anyway, CAESARFERRVM is here to advertise something amazing. 15:22 piesquared :P 15:22 CAESARFERRVM The roman empire has been reborn in minetest! The IMPERIVM FERRVM gaming clan is here and looking for members! 15:23 piesquared CAESARFERRVM and I are part of a massive gaming clan that is recruiting. 15:23 piesquared And he is in charge of advertising, so... 15:23 * piesquared disappears 15:24 CAESARFERRVM https://discord.gg/uFJ3qAt Is the link if anyone is interested. 15:24 CAESARFERRVM We are currently building up on some faction servers such as elkien's factions 15:24 piesquared And Complete Factions 15:25 scr267 Vae victis :( 15:25 scr267 Beati poperes spiritus 15:25 CAESARFERRVM Though Complete Factions is a server in the IMPERIVM's server network, we still have normal player accs there to play factions 15:26 CAESARFERRVM We are looking to expand our server network and modding team 15:26 scr267 pauperes* 15:28 CAESARFERRVM We already have a small forum, a growing server network, we are rebooting our modding team, and we have the fun part 15:28 CAESARFERRVM the legions :P 15:28 CAESARFERRVM organized squad pvp on factions 15:29 CAESARFERRVM military tactics, commanders, and all that good stuff 15:31 CAESARFERRVM anyways, off to conquer stuff on pvp servers with the legions :P 17:28 vtold VanessaE, may PM You? 17:32 Ruslan1 Who 17:34 vtold *may I PM you VanessaE? 17:43 vtold nevermind, I found what I was looking for :) 17:52 Ruslan1 vtold: you can pm VanessaE if you need her 17:55 vtold Ruslan1, I have been looking for her IRC and finally I have found it. 17:55 Ruslan1 Good 18:18 scr267 VanessaE: Is your server offline? Last few times I've tried to connect to it I'm getting timeouts. 18:22 Krock !up 18:22 MinetestBot Krock: give me an address and port (optional) 18:22 Krock ^ scr267 18:25 scr267 ? 18:25 scr267 oh 18:25 scr267 sorry 18:26 scr267 daconcepts.com 30000 18:26 scr267 !up daconcepts.com 18:26 MinetestBot daconcepts.com:30000 is up (9ms) 18:26 scr267 I see 18:26 scr267 I must be blocked?! 18:27 Krock that or you made a typo 18:29 scr267 hum, well I selected it from the list in the 'play online' tab. 18:29 scr267 I'll ask her when she's online. 18:29 scr267 A bit odd, I wonder why I would be blocked. 18:47 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Framed glasslike: Don't use cuboids to draw glass faces (#7828) 13e5a3754 https://git.io/fpGgR (152018-11-15T18:45:44Z) 19:48 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: Warn about invalid //stretch usage 1348e638a https://git.io/fpGr4 (152018-11-15T19:48:20Z) 19:51 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit: Warn about invalid //stretch usage 13b2b2b93 https://git.io/fpGrK (152018-11-15T19:49:19Z)