Time Nick Message 00:44 anon46853 anyone here? 00:44 paramat nope 00:44 anon46853 lol 00:44 anon46853 I just installed minetest 00:44 anon46853 and when I opened it it's in Japanese 00:45 anon46853 how do I fix this 00:45 paramat look in the userlist, all those people aren't here either ;) 00:45 paramat congrats! 00:45 paramat hmm 00:45 anon46853 I don't know Japanese btw 00:46 rom1504 anon46853: the fix is learning Japanese 00:46 rubenwardy search for local in advanced settings 00:46 rubenwardy *locale 00:46 rubenwardy hmmm 00:46 rom1504 Minetest is an educational game 00:46 rubenwardy it's a button on the second to last tab in the main menu 00:46 rom1504 Teaches you languages 00:46 anon46853 hmm 00:47 rubenwardy it's because your computer language is Japanese :) 00:47 paramat in minetest.conf add 'language = en' 00:47 anon46853 um where do I find the minetest.conf file 00:47 rubenwardy ~/.minetest/minetest.conf 00:47 rubenwardy I think 00:48 paramat it's a text file in your minetest directory 00:48 anon46853 Ik 00:49 anon46853 there is no .conf file 00:49 anon46853 should I create one if it's not there? 00:50 paramat there will be one somewhere 00:50 anon46853 I couldn't find it 00:50 anon46853 just did a system wide search 00:50 paramat no, it's created automatically, don't add one 00:51 paramat i wonder if it's only created once you play in a world ... can't remember 00:54 paramat can you find a text file called minetest.conf.example ? minetest.conf should be next to that 00:55 paramat (if it exists) 00:55 anon46853 I just did a system wide search for minetest.conf 00:55 anon46853 zero results 00:56 paramat yeah, do one for ..example 00:56 anon46853 okay wait 00:56 anon46853 nada 00:56 paramat minetest.conf.example 00:56 paramat weird 00:57 anon46853 yeah 01:01 anon46853 how do I change language from the game menu 01:02 anon46853 you said the option to change language is on the tab second from the last 01:02 anon46853 right? 01:02 paramat in advanced settings, problem is that may be hard to navigate in japanese :) 01:03 paramat hang on i'll try to navigate you .. 01:04 paramat 0.4.16? 01:05 anon46853 0.4.17.1 01:06 rubenwardy what OS, anon46853? 01:06 anon46853 https://imgur.com/a/v3BPuVN 01:06 anon46853 windows 01:07 rubenwardy so, you have your Minetest folder 01:07 rubenwardy say /My Documents/minetest 01:07 rubenwardy minetest.conf should be created in the root of your MT directory 01:07 rubenwardy so 01:08 rubenwardy /My Documents/minetest/minetest.conf 01:08 rubenwardy next to minetest.conf.example 01:08 rubenwardy sure it's not there? 01:09 anon46853 yeah neither of those files exist 01:09 rubenwardy alternatively: click the third tab for the settings, then click the button in the bottom left 01:11 anon46853 this is what my screen looks like now 01:11 anon46853 https://imgur.com/a/qhYBS3x 01:11 anon46853 where do I go from here? 01:11 paramat yeah that's advanced settings 01:12 rubenwardy in the top, type language then click the button 01:12 paramat will guide you in a moment 01:12 paramat ah 01:12 rubenwardy or press enter 01:12 rubenwardy then click the right most button in the bottom right 01:13 rubenwardy there will then be a drop down 01:14 anon46853 thanks 01:14 anon46853 it worked 01:14 anon46853 :) 01:14 paramat phew 01:15 anon46853 so u guys come here often? 01:16 ChimneySwift I would hope so 01:16 anon46853 cos Idk what I would have done if u guys weren't there lol 01:17 anon46853 most irc channels I go on are dead 01:19 anon46853 sad irc is dying 01:19 anon46853 really miss the old days 01:22 ChimneySwift well considering they're both devs an this is the official chat channel for minetest I think you're all good :p 01:23 paramat MT IRC is fairly active 01:24 paramat and almost all the devs won't go anywhere else 01:24 paramat discord's for the kiddies ;) 01:24 paramat the quality of discussion is higher here too 01:28 rubenwardy how do you know that without spying in discord? 01:29 ANAND o_O 01:29 octacian I was just gonna ask that 01:29 ChimneySwift dun dun dah 01:29 octacian Unless you're there, you don't know :P 01:29 ANAND Could've been a general opinion too, though 01:29 ChimneySwift lol 01:30 octacian There tends to be more lower quality discussion there, but just because its more active. Even more of it tends to be of near equal quality to that of IRC. 01:30 octacian At least it's usually more active. not today though lol 01:31 ANAND For kiddies or not, 'tis where the players are. If someone is deeply involved with a server, joining that server's Discord (if one even exists) is kinda mandatory. :) 01:32 ChimneySwift it's about equivalent to joining their forum :P 01:33 paramat heh no i'm not there, but i'm probably right about the quality 01:34 paramat and yes, just because there are more people there, and generally younger and less experienced 01:34 ANAND Being partial towards IRC, I hate to say this, but Discord has been the place for a lot of deep on-topic discussions too. :P 01:35 ChimneySwift IRC tends to be much more consistent quality, but theres still a lot of good quality conversion. Modding, development, general help, and quality off topic too 01:36 ChimneySwift it's good MT has a presence on a platform with a larger young audience, it gets new people involved and curious, and somewhere we're they can ask for help from more experienced people 01:38 paramat yeah, essentially i'm wary of the signal to noise ratio, even though there is apparently some signal there 01:38 ChimneySwift additionally, it gives a more approachable way to access the core audience of the game which can help development 01:38 ChimneySwift yeah, there's more noise than here for sure, but it's not all bad :) 01:39 ChimneySwift ofc, whether or not you like discord is a whole other conversation :P 01:41 paramat yes, good points 02:16 Pilcrow182 heh, all this talk of IRC vs Discord... I actually find IRC a lot easier to use, of the two. Especially when you want quick in-browser access; Discord's site is bloated and slow, while webchat.freenode.net is quick and simple. 02:18 Pilcrow182 There's also Reddit, haha. Want the worst parts of Discord mixed with the worst parts a forum? That's Reddit. :P 02:21 ANAND Heh 02:29 Pilcrow182 internet probs, ANAND? 02:31 ANAND Nah, I switched off my Wi-Fi for testing a PR :P 02:32 ANAND #7863 02:32 ShadowBot https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/7863 -- Don't display page-nav buttons when #store.packages == 0 by ClobberXD 02:32 ANAND Pilcrow182: ^ 02:33 Pilcrow182 Seems like a good change 02:36 Pilcrow182 I just assumed you were having problems because my own internet cuts out with no warning pretty often. I'm actually surprised it's been online without problems for so long tonight, lol 02:40 ANAND My internet used to be exactly the way you describe yours to be, until recently. :) 02:47 Pilcrow182 Well, I get what I paid for; it's cheap and still tolerably fast, I just have to reset the modem about once per day 02:52 luk3yx Pilcrow182: https://xkcd.com/1495/ 02:53 ANAND lol 04:43 MarisaG Hi everyone 04:43 MinetestBot MarisaG: Nov-13 04:53 UTC hi 04:43 MinetestBot MarisaG: Nov-13 04:54 UTC hi 04:44 MarisaG Hi Ruslan1 04:54 ChimneySwift lol 05:14 Pilcrow182 heh. Ruslan. he was in here asking over and over again if you were here, MarisaG... :P 05:52 MarisaG lol 05:53 MarisaG Oh well, missed your replay Pilcrow182 05:53 MarisaG reply 05:55 MarisaG If you're around Ruslan1, I'm here 15:53 scr267 !mod road 15:53 MinetestBot json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) (file "/usr/lib/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 357, in raw_decode) 15:53 scr267 hum... 15:53 scr267 Should be some error handling there. 15:55 scr267 !mod street 15:55 MinetestBot json.decoder.JSONDecodeError: Expecting value: line 1 column 1 (char 0) (file "/usr/lib/python3.6/json/decoder.py", line 357, in raw_decode) 15:55 ANAND sfan5: ^ 15:55 sfan5 Krock wrote the code for that module, not me 15:56 ANAND Oh, sorry :) 20:28 Fixer_ Wuzzy: hey, can you edit posts in github? I have JS enabled on it but suddenly they show me a warning about legacy and stuff just does not work anymore suddenly (like editing posts, etc) 20:29 Wuzzy do you now understand why i want to move away from GitHub? :) 20:30 octacian I'm just gonna say it. Refusing to use JS on something like GitHub doesn't make any sense :P 20:30 Fixer_ do those fucks intentionally break it for my ESR? 20:31 Fixer_ i'm on yet moved to Quantum, wtf... 20:31 Fixer_ on=not 20:31 Fixer_ octacian: i do use JS on it, it still refuses to work 20:31 octacian It should work on an older version, unless it's really old 20:31 Fixer_ like it detects my ESR and says to fuck off 20:32 Fixer_ 52 is not that old 20:32 octacian Wait, ESR? 20:32 Fixer_ prequantum ESR 20:32 Fixer_ it was EOL few months ago 20:32 octacian Ah I see. That might be the case 20:33 Calinou pre-Quantum browsers are no longer supported by GitHub 20:33 Calinou they may still work for now, but there's no guarantee there will in the futuret 20:33 Fixer_ some addons are still not ported 20:33 Calinou I'm reminded of https://www.sudosatirical.com/articles/new-firefox-not-nearly-clunky-insecure-enough-for-local-man/ :P 20:34 Fixer_ quantum is so much faster, but I'm waiting for that FEATURE in 64 or so where you can use TWO profiles in parallel without hacking too much 20:34 rubenwardy lol 20:34 octacian I haven't really come across anything of importance that's missing, but maybe that's just me 20:34 Fixer_ still need prequantum for some powerfull stuff 20:34 Fixer_ like flashgot 20:34 Fixer_ mass downloading 20:35 Fixer_ quantum is CRIPPLED 20:35 GreenDimond The only thing I miss from prequantum is TabMixPlus 20:35 Fixer_ can't do shit with it 20:35 Calinou I used Waterfox last year to run a legacy add-on that our university required us to use 20:35 Calinou but that's over now ) 20:35 Calinou :)* 20:35 Fixer_ GreenDimond: if you are using it to display rows of tabs, you can use CSS hack for it 20:35 Fixer_ I have Tabmix as well 20:36 GreenDimond Nah I want it for other things too 20:36 Fixer_ i need flashgot, tabmix, scrapbook 20:36 octacian you sure there aren't already similar things with the new plugin system? 20:36 Fixer_ no 20:37 Fixer_ they are crippled 1 star craps 20:37 Fixer_ read the comments 20:37 Fixer_ "Not a replacement. Do not dl this. No features. Useless" 20:37 Fixer_ I've tried some flashgot replacements and they are shit and don't work often 20:38 Fixer_ Or they suggest me to go back to WinHTTrack (google it) 20:38 Fixer_ ? 20:38 octacian Well, I'm sure as the demand increases more will show up. You could make your own too 20:39 Fixer_ octacian: not possible, no apis atm 20:39 octacian what do you mean there's no APIs? 20:40 Fixer_ so I guess if I want DL some files from the page, I need to fire up my WinHTTrack that is by the way has its 20 years anniversary 20:40 octacian https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Add-ons/WebExtensions 20:40 Fixer_ octacian: no apis 20:40 octacian no APIs for what? do webextensions not support what would be required? 20:41 Fixer_ octacian: they do not 20:41 octacian and what exactly is missing? 20:42 Fixer_ octacian: shitloads of stuff, literally, people can't realise things from their prequantum addons, you can google it, it is known 20:42 Fixer_ mozilla slowly adds more apis 20:43 Fixer_ Quantum is insanely fast on my PC 20:43 Fixer_ PreQuantum is insanely slow 20:44 GreenDimond ^ 20:44 GreenDimond Can confirm this for most PCs 20:44 octacian Just name one API that's missing please. From what I can see, all that you'd need to recreate flashgot is there. IDK about integration with a download manager, but then too I've never used one and don't really know what they do either. 20:44 Fixer_ waiting for this https://www.ghacks.net/2018/10/27/firefox-65-dedicated-profiles-per-install/ and then I off to FF65 and will keep ESR for s p e c i a l t a s k s 20:45 Fixer_ octacian: flashgot is powerful, say you want to dl some files, press key, list of links appears, you select (incl wildcards), OK, -> adds to your file manager queue, ???, POWERFUL, DL thousands of files this way, it is still 10/10 addon 20:46 octacian And that could be done with a firefox WebExtension. 20:46 Fixer_ saved me shit-ton of time 20:46 Fixer_ octacian: probabaly, but not yet, alternatives are shit 20:46 Fixer_ octacian: stuff like tabmix, session manager can't 20:47 rubenwardy tree view tabs 20:48 rubenwardy -view +style 20:49 Fixer_ rubenwardy: on 16:9 shitscreens tree view is very useful 20:49 Fixer_ if only it was 16:10 20:50 Fixer_ early 2019 i will go quantum, don't worry 20:50 Fixer_ i can't stand those insane lags 20:50 Fixer_ on my i5 20:51 Fixer_ not even funny, barely usable browser, feels like 20 years back in time to some Celeron 300mhz 20:51 rubenwardy *cough* generation 1 i5 *cough* 20:51 Fixer_ rubenwardy: gen 3 20:51 octacian well IDRK but it sure seems as though all the APIs required are there. some things just haven't been ported yet 20:51 rubenwardy basically just as bad :) 20:51 Fixer_ rubenwardy: it is not that i5, but firefox is slow as fuck 20:52 Fixer_ rubenwardy: quantum or chrome are fast as ferrari on that pc 20:53 Fixer_ i have tooons of bookmarks and 67 tabs opened, prequantum just can't process that 20:54 GreenDimond 67 tabs.. pah 20:54 GreenDimond I know someone who has about.. 200? 20:54 Fixer_ GreenDimond: and only few of them are actually loaded 20:54 GreenDimond They use waterfox 20:55 Fixer_ GreenDimond: they are not loaded tabs, cold start is like 5-10 on i5+ssd 20:56 Fixer_ i'm using firefox since literally first version, and its UI always felt _laggy_ 20:56 Fixer_ when some tab loads in background - you feel the heat everywhere 20:56 Fixer_ Peak Lag was FF44 or near it 20:56 Fixer_ then they did some optimisations 20:57 Fixer_ but Quantum is speedlight ahead, it is not subjective, it is insta-start with mostly similar addons and bookmarks 20:57 Fixer_ and everything loads noticeably faster, no more dial up feal 20:57 Fixer_ page rendering 20:58 Calinou Chromium still feels faster in my experience, especially on JavaScript-heavy websites 20:59 Calinou this is even more true on mobile, where I use Bromite now (privacy-enhanced fork of Chromium with built-in ad blocking) 20:59 Calinou it doesn't block everything as it's not a proper ad-blocking add-on like uBlock Origin though :( 20:59 Fixer_ Firefox is like using a donkey 20:59 Calinou so I still see social share buttons and stuff like that on mobile 20:59 Fixer_ then you sit in your chromium ferrari and HOLY SHIT 20:59 Calinou (and anti-adblock/cookie banners) 20:59 Fixer_ Firefox Prequantum* 21:01 Fixer_ Calinou: Bromite, need to add this to bookmarks, i'm using firefox on my tablet 21:02 Calinou https://www.bromite.org/ 21:02 Calinou oh, it has a new logo now :) 21:03 Calinou it also has a DuckDuckGo search option, which I can't live without now 21:03 Calinou (Chrome/Chromium doesn't ship with it, and you can't add it on Android) 21:07 rubenwardy firefox runs perfectly fine for me 21:08 Fixer_ rubenwardy: quantum, but prequantum one is not perfectly all 21:09 rubenwardy I don't use old versions 21:10 Fixer_ firefox quantum is enough for any normie 21:41 paramat Fixer_ please restrain the expletives :) 21:49 Ruslan1 Hi MarisaG 22:37 Pilcrow182 Calinou and Fixer_: I use DuckDuckGo as well, and haven't tried Bromite, but for Android the Lightning web browser is another great option. Fast, open-source, and supports ddg perfectly. 22:39 Pilcrow182 ^ no ad blocking in that, though, as far as I know. So Bromite may still be better depending on your use-case 22:40 Fixer_ ad blocking is necessary feature 22:52 xrogaan lo 22:53 xrogaan I have an azerty keyboard, and for some reason minetest does not recognize one of my keys. 22:53 xrogaan Outputs this in the console: `Could not find EKEY_CODE, using orig. X11 keycode instead: 11' 22:53 xrogaan (when I press the é key) 22:55 xrogaan Why is it that game engines try to define every single key in existence, and always fails to do just that because it's insane. 23:06 xrogaan and è is for some reason "shift" 23:07 xrogaan Handling non-qwerty keyboards shouldn't be so hard. 23:23 Ruslan1 Hi 23:30 rubenwardy xrogaan: we don't handle that, Irrlicht does 23:38 xrogaan so the error message is an irrlicht one? 23:39 xrogaan urgh, they still use svn. 23:43 xrogaan rubenwardy: in any case, it's not handled properly by the game. There is no feedback, no error message. 23:44 xrogaan Irrlicht seems to default to the X11 keyevent though. 23:45 xrogaan > https://sourceforge.net/p/irrlicht/code/HEAD/tree/trunk/source/Irrlicht/CIrrDeviceLinux.cpp#l715 23:45 rubenwardy this isn't something I can help with 23:48 xrogaan as long as the KeyCode is known, it can be mapped on xmodmap to retrieve a "human" name.