Time  Nick           Message
00:00 Fixer          ty
00:17 MarisaG        Trying to get a mod working but it does not show the previews of the skins properly. Any ideas? https://github.com/dmonty2/minetest-u_skinsdb
09:32 MarisaG        I set up a sourceforge pag for my Minetest utilities. You can view it here: https://sourceforge.net/projects/minetest-utilities/
10:20 MarisaG        Need help with a skin script
10:21 MarisaG        trying to add minetest-u_skinsdb        but when I run ./update_from_db2.py  I get these errors and it doesnt build anything:
10:21 MarisaG        Page: 58
10:21 MarisaG        Traceback (most recent call last):
10:21 MarisaG        File "./update_from_db2.py", line 43, in <module>
10:21 MarisaG        addpage(p+2)
10:21 MarisaG        File "./update_from_db2.py", line 35, in addpage
10:21 MarisaG        f.write('name = "'+s["name"]+'",\n')
10:21 MarisaG        TypeError: must be str, not int
10:22 MarisaG        It counts up from Page: 1 to Page:58 then says that
10:22 MarisaG        The mod is here: https://github.com/dmonty2/minetest-u_skinsdb
12:20 jubalh         hi folks
12:20 jubalh         just tested minetest for the first time
12:21 jubalh         kind of nice. but are there also animals/enemies or something like hidden treasures to discover in this world? it would be a bit more enternaining :)
12:40 rubenwardy     jubalh: note that minetest is a game engine. The prepackaged game, Minetest Game doesn't have any mobs yet
12:40 rubenwardy     There are hidden treasures in dungeons
12:40 rubenwardy     !mod mobs redo
12:40 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: Mobs Redo [mobs] by TenPlus1 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9917
12:40 rubenwardy     Is the most popular mod for mobs
12:40 rubenwardy     Also consider trying anothet game such as
12:40 rubenwardy     !mod Mineclone2
12:40 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: Convert Minetest world to Mineclone2 WIP [gt2mc2] by maikerumine - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=17907
12:41 rubenwardy     Ew
12:41 rubenwardy     Not that
12:41 ChimneySwift   jubalh: Minetest as it is designed to be a modding base with maximum compatability. there's been talk of adding a separate game to the official release but there are hundreds of mods to choose from on the forums. a few good ones to get started bringing the world to life are mobs_redo (with mobs_animal and mobs_monster), caverealms lite, and ethereal
12:41 ChimneySwift   ninjad
12:41 ChimneySwift   but oh well
12:41 rubenwardy     *minetest game
12:41 rubenwardy     Is designed to be a modding base
12:41 ChimneySwift   yeah that
12:41 rubenwardy     Same difference though
12:44 rubenwardy     https://content.minetest.net/packages/Wuzzy/mineclone2/
12:44 rubenwardy     !title
12:44 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: MineClone 2 - Content DB
12:45 jubalh         rubenwardy, ChimneySwift: i see. thank you
12:46 rubenwardy     Happy exploring
12:46 jubalh         so far i just intall minetest on my server via the package manager. not sure whats the best way to get the mods. probably i will have to download them myself from those forums and put them in some dir so that they get spotted and loaded
12:47 ChimneySwift   yep, on Linux there'll be a mods folder in ~/.minetest
12:47 ChimneySwift   then you can enable them in the world configuration
12:47 rubenwardy     Check that the version is at least 0.4.16
12:47 jubalh         its 0.4.17.1
12:48 rubenwardy     Consider getting a development version of 5.0, it has a mod/game installer in the main menu
12:48 rubenwardy     Although expect bugs
12:48 jubalh         so do i get this right? i should git clone all those things mentioned in that forum post? meaning mobs redo api, farm animals, monsters, ridable horse into that mods folder, right?
12:48 rubenwardy     Sweet
12:50 rubenwardy     Probably
12:50 jubalh         and once i put the mods in that folder they are loaded automatically?
12:53 ChimneySwift   you'll need to enable them per-world in the configuration menu
12:53 jubalh         ChimneySwift: configuration menu?
12:54 jubalh         i have a dedicated server running on a VPS, when i connect from my game here locally to there there should be a menu to enable it?
12:54 jubalh         i thought i'll have to edit some config
12:56 ChimneySwift   oh you're running it off a separate server? OK, in that case you'll need to modify world.mt in the world folder
12:56 jubalh         ok found that file :) modify it how? :)
12:56 ChimneySwift   which should be ~/.minetest/worlds/worldname
12:57 ChimneySwift   kk
12:57 ChimneySwift   add "load_mod_[modname] = true"
12:58 ChimneySwift   or set to true if it's set to false
13:00 rubenwardy     Eg:    load_mod_mobs=true
13:01 jubalh         like htis? load_mod_mobs_redo = true
13:01 jubalh         ah ok :)
13:02 jubalh         i would like to test quickly that it worked. so i guess i'll have to stop the server and restart it and join, and then i could see something somewhere?
13:03 rubenwardy     Yeah
13:03 rubenwardy     /mods
13:03 jubalh         t looks like this: https://susepaste.org/77466041
13:03 rubenwardy     No redo
13:03 rubenwardy     And isn't it   mobs_horse  ?
13:03 rubenwardy     The mod name of Mobs Redo is just mobs
13:03 rubenwardy     Confusing, yeah
13:04 rubenwardy     The reason for this is that there was a mod called Simple Mobs originally which had a name of mobs
13:04 jubalh         ah i thought its always the name of the repo
13:04 rubenwardy     In an ideal world, minetest wouldn't need them to both have the same name. But unfortunately they do in order to keep compatibility with each other
13:05 rubenwardy     Well, look in  mod.conf   for the bame
13:05 rubenwardy     Or in the forum topic title
13:05 rubenwardy     Or kick tenplus1
13:07 Out`Of`Control jubalh: dump all mods in mods folder restart server. Turn off again, change false = true in world.mt  start server
13:07 rubenwardy     Yeah, with a lot of mods that's easier
13:07 jubalh         Out`Of`Control: thanks :)
13:08 rubenwardy     Minetest will add   = false    lines when it spots new mods on server start
13:08 jubalh         ok seems to have worked!
13:08 rubenwardy     Woo
13:08 rubenwardy     I'm planning on adding a CLI for this
13:09 rubenwardy     minetestserver install mobs --enable --worldname world1
13:09 rubenwardy     But probably 5.1.0
13:09 Out`Of`Control jubalh: look in debug.txt for conflicts
13:16 librebob[m]    hi
13:16 rubenwardy     Hi
13:16 librebob[m]    im playing on friends server and it keeps saying "Access denied: Connectioned timed out."
13:17 librebob[m]    does this just mean the server is taking too long to respond
13:17 librebob[m]    or me to the server
13:17 rubenwardy     It's likely that the connection is invalid
13:17 rubenwardy     So
13:18 rubenwardy     Are they on the same network?
13:18 rubenwardy     If not, is the server on a home network?
13:18 rubenwardy     Have they port forwarded?
13:18 jubalh         ok, thank you gys!
13:18 jubalh         *guys
13:18 jubalh         so what was it about the treasure? i didnt get that?
13:18 librebob[m]    it's remote server
13:18 rubenwardy     jubalh: you get them in dungeons
13:18 rubenwardy     Although that may be a 5.0 thing
13:19 rubenwardy     If so, there's
13:19 librebob[m]    I can play for about 2 - 4 minutes, with friends
13:19 rubenwardy     !mod tsm
13:19 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: StreetsMod create modern cities by webdesigner97 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2984
13:19 librebob[m]    until I see full packet loss in the debug graph
13:19 rubenwardy     Arth
13:19 librebob[m]    then i get error message and disconnected
13:19 rubenwardy     !mod treasurer
13:19 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: Pyramids (with Treasurer support) [tsm_pyramids] by Wuzzy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10336
13:19 rubenwardy     Ew
13:19 rubenwardy     Whatever
13:19 librebob[m]    we're all on 0.4.17.1 and so is server
13:19 rubenwardy     Oh weird
13:20 librebob[m]    do mobs have an impact on this
13:20 librebob[m]    like could too many mods cause the server to be too slow
13:20 librebob[m]    and not able to handle processing network?
13:20 librebob[m]    because when I join there's lots of mobs
13:23 ChimneySwift   Unlikely
13:24 librebob[m]    could it be because we copied the minetest data from an old instance into a new instance
13:24 ChimneySwift   it's more likely a network dropout is happening occasionally I would think
13:24 librebob[m]    so we could keep playing the same map
13:24 librebob[m]    like some auth issue?
13:24 librebob[m]    could a bug in one of the mods being causing the issue?
13:24 ChimneySwift   no that shouldn't cause issues
13:24 librebob[m]    im using other servers running on the same server and they dont drop network
13:24 ChimneySwift   and if it does then it wouldn't do that
13:24 jubalh         is this treasurer only available as zip? not git repo? :/
13:25 librebob[m]    services*
13:25 librebob[m]    minetest is running in docker
13:25 librebob[m]    i wonder if that affects it
13:25 jubalh         got it: http://repo.or.cz/minetest_treasurer.git
13:25 ChimneySwift   hmm, well it's unlikely to be a mod issue
13:26 ChimneySwift   if nobody else is experiencing the same effects then it's likely a client or client network issue
13:26 jubalh         so treasurer is the trm and now i need various tsm right?
13:26 librebob[m]    all my friends are experiencing it
13:28 ChimneySwift   OK, well that's interesting. I've noticed a similar occurrence from another home hosted server, possibly an ISP issue? if you're hosting from home. it looks like some kind of network issue tbh
13:28 ChimneySwift   you could check by running a sustained ping to the server and seeing if it also drops out
13:29 librebob[m]    hosting from amazon
13:30 ChimneySwift   hmmm.. interesting... I have no idea how it could be an issue with minetest or mods, but for the sake of eliminating variables it might be a good idea to try a separate install to see if you experience the same problem maybe
13:31 marisag        Im trying to use the skins mod, but when I run the ./update_from_db2.py file it lists 58 pages and then gives me this error:
13:31 marisag        Traceback (most recent call last):
13:31 marisag        File "./update_from_db2.py", line 43, in <module>
13:31 marisag        addpage(p+2)
13:31 marisag        File "./update_from_db2.py", line 35, in addpage
13:31 marisag        f.write('name = "'+s["name"]+'",\n')
13:31 marisag        TypeError: must be str, not int
13:31 marisag        Any ideas?
13:33 rubenwardy     Try running with the other python version
13:33 marisag        which version?
13:33 rubenwardy     The other one
13:33 rubenwardy     XD
13:33 rubenwardy     Do    python --version
13:34 rubenwardy     If it says 2, then use   python3 updateblah
13:34 rubenwardy     If it says 3, then use    python2 updateblah
13:34 rubenwardy     Wait
13:34 rubenwardy     Looks like the JSON response may be bad actually
13:34 rubenwardy     So don't do that
13:34 marisag        ok
13:35 rubenwardy     Just put    str ()    around the s["name"]
13:35 marisag        I thought it might be something like that, since it goes for 58 pages
13:37 marisag        fixed it. Thanks!
13:38 marisag        Lol, spoke to soon. Now the ./generate_previews.sh isnt working
13:40 marisag        When I run that I get this at the end:
13:40 marisag        Skins have been updated. Please run ./generate_previews.sh
13:40 marisag        When I run that I get a bunch of errors like this:
13:40 marisag        rm: cannot remove '../u_skins/textures/*_preview*.png': No such file or directory
13:40 marisag        Then a bunch of errors relating to ALSA
13:48 jubalh         so after adding the mods they will also be available in the world where i already started playing?
13:48 jubalh         so far i dont see birds or monsters or water animals
13:48 jubalh         oh i just spotted a turtle :D
13:55 librebob[m]    whats the best Mobs mod?
13:59 marisag        I think the update_from_db2.py is not creating proper files. When I run generate_previews.sh after it I see these errors:
13:59 marisag        Moving files...
13:59 marisag        mv: cannot stat 'blender_out/character_*_00.png': No such file or directory
13:59 marisag        mv: cannot stat 'blender_out/character_*_01.png': No such file or directory
13:59 marisag        mv: cannot stat 'output/*_preview*.png': No such file or directory
13:59 marisag        Done !
14:35 marisag        update: it seems the updae_from_db2.py is creating the .png's. It's putting them in /usr/share/games/minetest/games/minetest_game/mods/minetest-u_skinsdb/u_skins/textures
14:35 marisag        So need to see why the generatrePreviews.sh isn't seeing them
15:09 Out`Of`Control jubalh: in game write /mods to see what mods are loaded
15:10 marisag        fyi: i tracked it down - the skin_previews.blend was looking for "/skins/" instead of "/u_skins"....
15:10 Out`Of`Control librebob[m]: redo
16:58 Andrey01_      hi, i just want to ask what are minimal and maximal does minetest.get_heat() return? what number can it return?
17:00 Andrey01_      and second question: how can player attach to node? It can attach only to other obj as i understand
17:03 Cornelia       I vaguely recall the range [-100,100]
17:05 Andrey01_      Cornelia, is this answer to my question?
17:06 Cornelia       The first question.
17:06 Cornelia       I dunno about the second.
17:07 Cornelia       I recall something about biomes being declared using a voronoi map of heat to humidity and the ranges were [-100,100]
17:10 paramat        heat and humidity vary from -37.5 to 137.5
17:10 paramat        centre values are 50
17:10 paramat        however the extreme values are rare
17:11 Andrey01_      ok
17:12 paramat        see diagram https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=240688#p240688
17:12 paramat        that's our biome system
17:20 Andrey01_      do you know is it possible to attach player to node?
17:23 Andrey01_      set_attach() attaches player only to obj, not to node
17:29 paramat        but nodes don't move
17:29 paramat        do you mean prevent a player from moving?
17:30 paramat        so, no i doubt you can attach to a node, just 'set pos'
17:32 Andrey01_      ah, ok
17:34 Andrey01_      well if no, is there anything callback that runs where a player presses keys (W, A, D, S)? it would be help to attach player to node
18:07 Andrey01_      what should allow_metadata_inventory_put() return if item can be put? -1?
18:08 Krock          -1 is infinite
18:08 Krock          return stack:get_count()
18:18 Andrey01_      what can this error (attempt to index a nil value) mean in so case: local medcupboard_lists = minetest.get_inventory(({type = "node", pos = pos}):get_lists()
18:19 Krock          get_lists does not exist
18:19 Krock          RTFM
18:22 Andrey01_      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4812
18:22 Andrey01_      but ther is here ^^
18:22 Andrey01_      there*
18:22 paramat        there's no callback when pressing controls, but you can use 'objref:get_player_control()' in a globalstep function
18:23 Krock          Andrey01_: get_lists does not exist for that node because there's no inventory
18:24 Krock          minetest.get_inventory returns nil on failure
18:27 Andrey01_      and is objref:set_player_controls() there?
18:28 Andrey01_      ah, it seems i know how to attach player to node!
18:35 MinetestBot    02[git] 04HybridDog -> 03minetest/minetest: World config: Add modpack descriptions and remove dependencies there … 134937c50 https://git.io/fNj51 (152018-08-17T18:34:08Z)
18:36 Andrey01_      why does this error cause: attempt to index field "minetest": cupboards_parameters.minetest.get_node(pos).name[2]
18:37 Krock          because "minetest" is not a table key of cupboards_parameters
18:37 paramat        OMG i've just realised why cupboards are called cup-boards, duh!
18:38 Krock          grats
18:38 Krock          paramat: also do some research why "w" is called "double u". Interesting language history
18:41 Andrey01_      i need to return index from minetest.get_node(pos).name[2] for cupboards_parameters
18:41 paramat        until now it's always seemed a strange spelling of a strange word 'cubbard' =s
18:43 Krock          Andrey01_: you cannot index a strign
18:43 Krock          *string in Lua
18:58 Andrey01_      now i am trying to make so: local name = minetest.get_node(pos).name and then cupboards_parameters[name][2] and it doesn`t show any formspec to cupboard
18:59 Andrey01_      on_right_click
19:10 Andrey01_      explain what values can "fields" return when player submit fields
19:13 Krock          "quit" any any input fields. also the pressed button, if there's one
19:16 Andrey01_      is that does it return form elements: button[X,Y;W;Y;name;...]?
19:17 Krock          that will result in the field "name" with value "true"
19:22 rubenwardy     Krock: look at the braces
19:22 rubenwardy     Andrey01 is doing this   ({type = "node", pos = pos}):get_lists()
19:23 rubenwardy     also, inventories will be automagically created on get_inventory
19:23 rubenwardy     actually, not 100% on that
19:23 rubenwardy     I know that   get_meta():get_inventory()    always works
19:23 rubenwardy     if loaded
19:26 Krock          please enlighten me what's wrong with the races
19:27 rubenwardy     minetest.get_inventory(({type = "node", pos = pos}):get_lists()
19:27 rubenwardy     two opening
19:27 rubenwardy     one close
19:28 Krock          oh
19:28 Krock          right, also get_lists() returns nil on failure, but get_inventory creates a new inventory reference in all cases
19:29 rubenwardy     yeah
19:29 Krock          err
19:29 Krock          what am I looking at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/eef62c82a2e58700fc1216b0b8c03e421bc77995/src/script/lua_api/l_inventory.cpp#L486-L521
19:30 Krock          and the parentheses issue would not explain the nil access error
19:30 rubenwardy     probably returns nil on inactive map blocks
19:30 rubenwardy     oh yeah
21:39 IhrFussel      Can someone here tell me the actual reason why movestones in mesecons always remove the node behind them when they start moving?