Time  Nick            Message
16:17 Cornelia        For some reason.. my client has started trying to join here before identifying.. so I keep getting pushed into #overflow :/
16:27 queip           Cornelia: configure SASL for freenode that will fix it
16:37 hecks           Attaching CAOs to bones is fubar
16:37 hecks           attaching anything to anything is fubar
16:38 hecks           gods know why I still bother https://a.uguu.se/evqXBR5fzMs7_c.jpg
16:39 rubenwardy      5.0 has some attachment improvement
16:39 rubenwardy      I highly recommend developing with 5.0-dev if you're making something big
16:40 rubenwardy      as by the time you're finished, it'll be released
16:40 hecks           I've got older 0.5 and 5.0 side by side
16:40 hecks           don't see any difference
16:40 rubenwardy      well, it's still not perfect
16:40 hecks           but since the big guy himself is here, I'll point out the bug; when I tried to attach hair to the head
16:40 rubenwardy      but there's now callbacks and improvements with damage logic
16:40 hecks           the transform was, I think, inverse
16:41 hecks           and I think the pivot was the root of the armature, not the neck
16:41 hecks           this rules out helmets, weapon sockets, and pretty much forces me to build a mesh with everything already on it, and switch things on/off using texstrings
16:42 hecks           speaking of which, how do texstrings actually work?
16:42 rubenwardy      I'm not sure what that is
16:42 rubenwardy      texture modifiers?
16:42 hecks           yes, texture strings in general
16:43 hecks           https://a.uguu.se/5iIo8QiRPCi3_sethair.gif
16:43 Cornelia        queip: Thanks!!!!
16:43 hecks           I'm generating those on the fly and I'm wondering if I'm doing something boneheaded here
16:44 hecks           best case; client does the mixing and garbage collects unused results
16:44 hecks           whether that actually is the case, I don't know
16:44 Krock           hecks: are you Genshin? Just wondering because they also worked with such sophisticated models
16:44 rubenwardy      the client will cache texture modifiers, so each one used will be stored indefinitely
16:44 rubenwardy      currently an issue :(
16:44 hecks           I'm nobody you've heard of
16:44 hecks           hopefully
16:45 rubenwardy      lol
16:45 rubenwardy      someone to stay though? ;)
16:45 Krock           True words of a criminal
16:45 hecks           only if someone actually fixes bugs around here
16:45 paramat         good character model
16:45 Krock           sounds very suspicious
16:46 rubenwardy      :D
16:46 rubenwardy      that happens... occasionally
16:46 rubenwardy      Krock is our attachment expert
16:46 rubenwardy      grab him
16:46 * Krock         runs
16:46 rubenwardy      noo, come back!
16:47 Krock           "expert". Nice. What I did was a bit of cleanups of the old code plus adding callbacks
16:47 Krock           Yet the attachments are still broken for newly joined players
16:47 hecks           honestly, I'd fix some of those myself if building things in general didn't make me retch
16:47 rubenwardy      What OS do you use?
16:47 rubenwardy      It's best on  Linux
16:47 rubenwardy      one line script :)
16:47 hecks           windows, but I've got arch squirreled away somewhere
16:48 hecks           I'll definitely want to do it on another machine or VM, which is why I'll never get to it
16:48 rubenwardy      I use Arch (kinda)
16:48 Krock           VirtualBox supoprts a seamless mode, which kinda melts the operating sstems together
16:48 Krock           *systems
16:48 rubenwardy      yeah
16:49 Krock           https://i.redditmedia.com/zyl8ZAs1YPE8WFiWidio_vDf6ZhMSyJ-ThbN7fVnp8o.png?s=9e0071386adf98c396796ca9ea2d6a5d
16:49 hecks           it's all fine, I'm just a lazy bastard
16:49 hecks           and I've got my own 4kloc-and-growing lua thing to maintain here
16:49 rubenwardy      :D
16:50 hecks           I've thrown out everything, even minimal and I'm doing this from bare-ignore
16:50 rubenwardy      splitting up a game into separate mods is a very good idea
16:50 rubenwardy      plus doing busted and luacheck etc
16:50 rubenwardy      makes things a ton more maintainable
16:50 hecks           the core will still be huge, and there's no point in splitting most of it
16:51 rubenwardy      heh
16:51 rubenwardy      :)
16:51 hecks           https://a.uguu.se/ynakfaGJAuts_mibicore.jpg
16:51 hecks           it's like "dude, did you just port Unity to minetest"
16:51 rubenwardy      the hell
16:51 rubenwardy      :D
16:52 Krock           dude, did you just port Unity to minetest
16:52 rubenwardy      dude
16:52 rubenwardy      where's my Unity
16:52 rubenwardy      talking about Unity - it heated my laptop up to 97'c yesterday
16:53 hecks           so yeah, there's... class libs, math libs, ECS, anim state machines, dynamic lights, helpers for generating helpers that make helpers
16:53 Krock           core temp or measured above your knees?
16:53 rubenwardy      core temp
16:53 rubenwardy      consider splitting off the classes, maths, ECS, anim libs into separate mods and making them public
16:53 rubenwardy      sounds like they could be useful for other things
16:53 hecks           they're not of much use to your usual minetest modder
16:53 hecks           I do things in a wildly different way from minetest api
16:54 rubenwardy      good to hear
16:54 rubenwardy      :XD
16:54 hecks           which is also why it's all somewhat coupled and stuffed into a "core" mod
16:54 rubenwardy      don't call your mod core
16:54 Krock           *don't try to overwrite the table "core"
16:54 hecks           and why?
16:54 rubenwardy      as it'll conflict with the engine if you
16:54 Krock           mods can be called like that just fine
16:55 rubenwardy      as it'll conflict with the engine if you add a public API
16:55 hecks           there's no actual lua object called "core"
16:55 rubenwardy      it's bad practice though
16:55 rubenwardy      there is
16:55 Krock           minetest = core
16:55 hecks           not on my end, I mean
16:55 rubenwardy      well, still bad practice imo
16:55 hecks           shrug
16:55 hecks           lua_api.txt said nothing of it
16:55 rubenwardy      \o
16:55 rubenwardy      *\o/
16:55 rubenwardy      anyway
16:56 MinetestBot     02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: guiFormspecMenu: Allow fraction values for container[] (#7497) 133b9d49b https://git.io/fNPhx (152018-08-04T16:55:54Z)
16:56 * rubenwardy    fixes his shit
16:56 rubenwardy      as well as Krock fixing my shit ^^
16:56 hecks           it's not a big issue, I don't hardcode modname:fooname anyway
16:56 hecks           I've got a lib for that :^)
16:56 Krock           rubenwardy: hah, yes :P
16:57 Krock           until you'll need a library to manage the libraries.. uhm
16:57 hecks           now I'm trying to remember what else is hosed before you all leave me here
16:57 hecks           oh, I'll get to that eventually
16:57 Krock           hahah :)
16:57 hecks           well, Script.foo is kinda that anyway
16:57 Krock           in this case I hope you can keep such a nice directory organization
16:57 hecks           it's so that I don't have to construct paths for dofile
16:58 hecks           by the way, your vector libs suck, geez
16:58 hecks           and for the love of whatever, change the Schur stuff in the docs to "cross" and "dot"
16:58 hecks           I had to look that up
17:00 hecks           okay, serious question
17:00 hecks           any chance that someone will fix the bone sockets?
17:00 hecks           I kinda have to make a decision based on that now
17:01 hecks           if not, I'll just slap every imaginable thing onto the model, and use 2D cards for wielded stuff
17:03 paramat         chance yes, size of chance not known. haven't heard any intention
17:03 hecks           beautiful
17:04 hecks           someone will have to fix transforms for VAOs anyway
17:04 hecks           oh, one more thing, when I tried to do the attached hair thing, the hair disappeared when I attached the player to a dummy CAO
17:08 Krock           hecks: huh? Schur product/quotient is correct there
17:08 hecks           it's not dot and cross?
17:08 Krock           no
17:08 Krock           https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/common/vector.lua#L97-L119
17:08 Krock           but there's surely a PR pending to implement dot and cross
17:08 hecks           well then, change my complaint to "there's no dot and cross"
17:09 Krock           hecks: you might want to adapt #5564
17:09 Krock           ShadowBot:
17:09 Krock           !title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5564
17:09 MinetestBot     Krock: Add vector functions inspired by Processing by MarkuBu · Pull Request #5564 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
17:10 hecks           in any case, if the builtin vector functions are lua and not native, I've got nothing to lose by sticking with mine
17:11 rubenwardy      sure
17:12 rubenwardy      I do that as well
17:12 rubenwardy      partially
17:47 MinetestBot     02[git] 04stujones11 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix sky objects not rendering with ogles (#7598) 13c5a137c https://git.io/fNXvT (152018-08-04T17:46:39Z)
18:03 MinetestBot     02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix tooltip colors specified by formspec part 131836882 https://git.io/fNXvX (152018-08-04T18:01:07Z)
18:29 hecks           https://a.uguu.se/OzgRImMLcHyN_2.jpg https://a.uguu.se/lVBb5XvYXkRu_shield.jpg
18:29 hecks           ugh... it'll do for now
18:31 sfan5           [intense thinking]
18:32 hecks           hi sfan
18:32 hecks           thanks for the jit builds
18:40 Krock           [moe intensifies]
18:40 hecks           https://a.uguu.se/Q0B55xALRjHp_grab.avi.webm
18:46 hecks           https://a.uguu.se/8TD03H3x5eXq_grab2.webm
18:47 rubenwardy      oh nice
18:50 hecks           would be nice if minetest didn't break so often
18:51 Krock           break?
18:51 hecks           oh, you know
18:52 hecks           things like segfaults when loading a map if you left some kind of object transformed to some other, specifics elude me right now
18:52 rubenwardy      run with GDB, then fire complaints our way :)
18:52 hecks           possibly something to do with the hack where you parent a player to an empty CAO because you can't lock a player in place otherwise
18:52 rubenwardy      you are using a dev version
18:53 rubenwardy      you can set movement to 0
18:53 rubenwardy      not sure if that covers everything
18:53 hecks           wardy, we actually covered that some months? ago
18:53 hecks           setting movement to 0 makes the player slide into frictionless infinity
18:53 rubenwardy      lol
18:54 rubenwardy      well, if it makes you feel any better
18:54 rubenwardy      !title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/7617
18:54 MinetestBot     rubenwardy: Add assertion and testing library for Lua integration tests by rubenwardy · Pull Request #7617 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
18:54 hecks           also, I cross check every bug with latest, stable and the 0.5 I froze on
18:56 hecks           I just hope that I won't have to rely on hacks to do basic things forever
18:57 Krock           Well, there's always something to do in Minetest :)
18:57 hecks           ech
18:57 hecks           pray that I don't start opening issues, because you'll drown in them
18:58 Krock           no we won't because it's surely a duplicator of another opend issue
18:58 Krock           *duplicate  *open
18:58 paramat         that looks so good, and so cute
18:59 Krock           I believe that Genshin will love to see that
18:59 hecks           CSM should be able to fix my janky animations, as long as client side lua can query anything remotely useful from the game
18:59 Krock           since they're also working with custom player models and fancy animations
19:00 paramat         love the rolling cubes
19:00 Krock           CSM is currently not well usable from the server perspective
19:00 Krock           first because the CSMs are yet not sent to the client, and 2nd is there no access to Lua entities
19:00 hecks           well, that ought to change
19:01 Krock           there's already an issue for it
19:03 hecks           good, good
19:03 hecks           the future of lowpoly pantyshots hangs on whoever tackles it https://a.uguu.se/TdiDxHUdorSP_wwww.jpg
19:04 paramat         we're waiting for server-sent CSM to be coded (ahem)
19:04 paramat         lol
19:07 hecks           https://a.uguu.se/sZmmzA0fO756_minetest.jpg ehehe
19:08 Krock           that were above 820 at some point
19:08 Krock           around last winter IIRC
19:10 Krock           712 issues around September 2016 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TD1TVZ47xZY)
19:13 hecks           the rest of your week, that's optimistic
19:13 hecks           I call false advertising
19:26 MinetestBot     02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Pine bush: Do not force-place needles nodes 1370c0181 https://git.io/fNXUY (152018-08-04T19:26:30Z)
20:55 hecks           https://a.uguu.se/FfnRy0EM2J1G_hit.gif
21:08 RossSchulman[m] > the future of lowpoly pantyshots hangs on whoever tackles it https://a.uguu.se/TdiDxHUdorSP_wwww.jpg
21:08 RossSchulman[m] Oh for fucks sake...
21:30 hecks           what
21:36 paramat         hecks if you find a non-reported bug please do open an issue