Time Nick Message 03:16 Stix_ anyone here? 03:17 Stix_ does anyone know how to change the protocol version a minetest client uses? is it somewhere in the settings? im on 0.5-dev and it wont let me join any 0.4.16 server because mis-matched protocol version. 03:17 Stix_ @Shara ? 03:17 Stix_ anyone online? 03:18 Stix_ @ANAND 03:24 Stix_ @ANAND 03:30 Stix_ @all ? 03:33 Stix_ uhh 03:47 sofar Stix_: you can't do that 03:47 sofar You need to get a .4.16 client to connect to those servers 03:49 Stix_ @sofar oh 03:49 Stix_ @sofar why doesnt it work? 03:50 sofar They're just incompatible 03:50 Stix_ ahh kk 03:50 Stix_ thx anyways 03:54 swift110 hmmm 03:54 swift110 im here 05:36 thoughtjigs Hey, anyone around? 05:40 thoughtjigs Hey proller 05:41 thoughtjigs Any core developers here? 05:42 thoughtjigs I have been working on a feature branch that adds Extended Window Manger Hints (EWMH) _NET_WM_PID to minetest ... and I am wondering how best to go about creating a pull request for it. 07:25 sfan5 thoughtjigs: 7am EU time is not the best point to catch a dev 07:25 sfan5 about the PR: write your code, put it into a fork on gh and create the pull request 11:23 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nOOb3167 -> 03minetest/minetest: Make os.tempfolder work correctly for MinGW & MSVC (#7443) 1310634f0 https://git.io/vhKO8 (152018-06-13T11:22:17Z) 13:39 ANAND Greetings! How are chat commands executed from the terminal? 13:40 rubenwardy which terminal? 13:40 ANAND Ubuntu 13:40 rubenwardy lol 13:40 rubenwardy NCURSES is used as library to have nicer terminal I/O 13:40 rubenwardy and it then interprets the input and runs it similar to IRC 13:40 rubenwardy so you'll need to compile with NCURSES support 13:41 ANAND IIRC, ncurses was detected on my system 13:41 rubenwardy ~g ncurses 13:41 ShadowBot rubenwardy: ncurses - Wikipedia - ncurses (new curses) is a programming library providing an application programming interface (API) that allows the programmer to write text-based user interfaces in a terminal-independent manner. , Announcing ncurses 6.1 - The GNU Operating System and the ... - The ncurses (new curses) library (7 more messages) 13:41 rubenwardy ah 13:41 rubenwardy *ncurses 13:41 rubenwardy then do minetestserver --terminal 13:41 rubenwardy and the rest of the args ofc 13:41 ANAND k, I'll try 13:43 ANAND It works, yay! :D 13:43 rubenwardy congratx 13:44 ANAND :D 13:44 ANAND It's worth noting that this wasn't mentioned anywhere in the wiki(s) 13:45 rubenwardy wikis aren't official documentation 13:45 rubenwardy community maintained 13:45 ANAND hmm 13:45 rubenwardy so, maintain ;) 13:45 ANAND tee-hee 18:54 Librism Hello 18:55 Librism Anyone here? 18:55 Librism Player-2 18:55 Librism Wassup 18:55 Librism Jelloooo 18:55 Librism xD 18:56 Krock wassup sup hey just ded channel bruh 18:56 Librism Xd 18:56 Librism wassup Krock 18:57 Librism You still there or did you die too 18:57 Krock doing stuffs and so 18:57 Librism noice 18:57 Krock I never lived so I can't be ded 18:57 Librism lel 18:57 Librism I was wondering if anyone could help me with opening Minetest in VS 18:58 Librism Krock 18:58 Librism xD 18:58 Librism Esonic you engwish? 18:58 Librism gawd 18:59 Librism ii just need help 18:59 Librism :P 18:59 Krock VS as in Visual Studio? 18:59 Player-2 i was just about to ask that 19:00 Krock also: what are you trying to open there? the source code? 19:00 Librism Yeah 19:00 Player-2 to which my reply would be "not me, as i'm on linux" 19:00 Librism So any ideas Krock 19:01 Librism Server died again 19:01 Librism didnt it 19:02 Krock Librism, install and open cmake-gui (console window), then join the build directory and open the generated project file there 19:02 Librism cmake-gui 19:02 Librism i have the source of cmake 19:02 Krock yes, from cmake 19:02 Librism is it in there 19:02 Krock no, you'll need the executable of cmake, not the source 19:02 Krock +code. 19:03 Librism uhmm 19:03 Librism any way you could send me the download link so i dont download some other random thing 19:03 Librism ive allready downloaded like 30+ files trying to get it to work 19:03 Librism xD 19:03 Krock https://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest#Compiling_on_Windows 19:03 Krock we have a wiki for that 19:04 Librism Yeah but theres like 87 downloads on that page 19:04 Librism xD 19:05 Librism cmake-3.11.3.zip? 19:05 Krock if you've already got MSVC (msbuild.exe to be precise), then you'll only need cmake, irrlicht and zlib for the basic stuff 19:06 Librism which one do i get on the cmake page? 19:06 Krock Librism, Ctrl + F on that page, then enter "Binary distributions" and scroll a bit down 19:06 Krock where it says "installer" 19:06 Krock for you both versionx, x64 and x86 will work 19:06 Librism The msi right 19:07 Krock no, the .foo.baz archive 19:07 Librism I dont see any .foo.baz 19:07 Librism xD 19:07 Librism Or you just joking with me 19:08 Librism There isnt a .foo.baz 19:08 Librism Its the MSI isnt it... 19:08 Player-2 foo.baz is a common name for an example file that you ideally already know the name of 19:09 Krock Congratulations, Player-2! You've gained 30 EXP and levelled up to level 4 19:09 Librism What the 19:10 Player-2 Krock i know full well that waking up was a mistake today lol 19:10 Librism erm 19:10 Librism a 19:10 Librism god 19:10 Krock Player-2, no, it wasn't! You gained EXP and that's definitely helpful for your Minetest career :P 19:11 Player-2 hahahah 19:11 Krock Librism, yes. the .msi installer file. Nothing much you can do wrong there 19:11 serp no wait 19:12 Krock Librism, for the libraries openal, irrlicht, vorbis, ogg, etc .. you'll need the source code or a pre-built version for the system you're on 19:13 Librism ;p 19:13 Librism so no more downloads other than cmake 19:14 Librism ogg and all that is already there? 19:14 Krock where? definitely not bundled with Minetest. 19:14 Librism xD so i have to download all that? 19:15 Krock please read my messages carefully. for the minimal build you'll only need a few of them and not the entire list 19:15 Krock and for Win32 builds there are already pre-compiled libraries available 19:16 Krock there you could download the entire archive, unzip and done. 19:16 Krock up to you how you're going to build this stuff 19:17 Librism ok 19:17 Librism sounds good ill do it later 19:17 Librism thanks :) 19:18 Krock !next 19:18 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 19:35 andirc8000 I'm sorry for annoying again with my ideas of an ability to purge mapgen generated db entries (as in vs. player-placed nodes) (for backup/disk space minimization purposes) but how difficult would it be to make mt create two sqlite db files for each mt 'world': one for storing mapgen-generated nodes and the other for storing player-placed/removed nodes (so one could easily delete mapgen sqlite file before 19:36 andirc8000 backup) 19:40 Krock double trouble 19:40 Krock and you forgot the rollback database 19:42 andirc8000 isnt mapgen nodes are always deterministic (per seed number) (?) 19:43 Krock in theory yes. but then there are changes in the mapgen (bugfixes), new biomes, new decorations or manual noise adjustments of a generated world 19:44 Krock also leftovers and additional nodes from plantlife/-alike mods 19:45 Stix_ just realized i never logged out xD 19:46 Krock Stix_, sail away! 19:47 andirc8000 well, user can always choose *not* to delete mapgen dbfile before backup (and also mod-inspired nodes could also be placed into player-db sqlite file, (ok plants lbms? (or am I missing something huge?)) 19:47 Stix_ anyone know where instructions fir compiling latest stable are? 19:48 Stix_ *for 19:48 Krock http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest 19:48 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837 19:48 Krock ^ Stix_ 19:49 Stix firefox crashed :( 19:49 Krock http://irc.minetest.net/minetest/2018-06-13#i_5332313 19:49 Stix anyone know where i can get instructions for compiling lates stable? 19:49 Krock ninja'd 19:50 Stix haha thx ;D 19:50 Krock !next 19:50 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 19:50 Stix @Krock one of those compiled 0.5-dev, ythe one-line script one 19:51 Stix *compiles 19:51 Krock cd your_minetest_source_dir/ && git fetch origin && git checkout origin/stable-0.4 19:52 Stix oh,k ill try 19:52 Krock then re-run the build stuff 19:52 Stix but how does one fetch origin? 19:52 Krock "origin" here points to minetest/minetest, not your personal fork 19:52 Stix i didnt quit 0_0 19:53 Krock your firefox crashed. remember? 19:53 Stix oh yah 19:54 Krock did you download the archive of the source code? 19:54 Stix will this: git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git cd minetest/ and this: cd games/ git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game.git cd ../ work or am i missing something? 19:54 Krock git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest.git -b stable-0.4 19:54 Stix i can seem to find the stabler version, only the most recent master branch 19:54 Krock if you want 0.4.17.1 19:54 Stix ahh kk 19:55 Krock same additional argument for minetest_game. note that "--depth 10" would reduce the download time and consumed space on your drive 19:56 Stix wait they dont compile together? o_O 19:56 Stix sry im just new to all of this 19:57 paramat mapgen is not entirely deterministic 19:57 Krock specify "they dont compile" 19:57 paramat depends on the order of mapchunk generation 19:57 Stix @Krick i mean: dont minetest engine and game come in the same pakage and therefore are compiled together? 19:58 Stix woops i meant @Krock 19:58 Krock Stix, type "Kro" and then press Tab to autocomplete 19:58 Stix oh wow it works! 19:58 Krock minetest_game is a game, not the minetest engine. thus means it's entirely Lua and does not require any compiling 19:58 Krock s/thus/this/ 19:58 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Server: move shutdown parts to a specific shutdown state object (#7437) 139a1d358 https://git.io/vh6t9 (152018-06-13T19:58:34Z) 19:59 Stix oh, so i download minetest game and plop it somewhere? but how will the engine know where i put it? or does it go in same folder? 19:59 Stix @Krock 19:59 lumberJ the engine knows all 20:00 paramat "ability to purge mapgen generated db entries (as in vs. player-placed nodes) (for backup/disk space minimization purposes)" sounds like a nightmare with little justification :) 20:00 Krock always goes into the ./games/ directory 20:00 Krock i.e. the path ./games/minetest_game/mods/default/ exists 20:00 Stix ah kk 20:00 lumberJ lol, pretty sure I know who posted that feature request 20:01 Stix i cant find the webpage :( https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game%20-b%20stable-0.4 20:01 Krock lumberJ, yes, the engine but not the uers 20:01 Krock *users 20:01 Krock what are you doing? that's not the command I've written recently 20:01 Stix can anyone point me to minetest_game 0.4.17 stable? 20:01 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/tree/stable-0.4 20:01 Stix thx a billion! 20:02 Stix haha my first time compiling anything besides 0.5 but that was 1 line script 20:06 Stix hmm i got it all set up but theres no button in the menu to run it... 20:06 lumberJ Stix are you on ubuntu based os? 20:06 Stix yeah, xubuntu 20:07 andirc8000 paramat: well my case: (disclaimer: i'm a little nuts :) (not your regular typical mt user :) ) for each of my little programming projects/experiments/etc. I have separate 'minetest world' (creative mode) with approx ~40-50 nodes placed in each. So, say 30-40 minetest worlds, and it's like 100+mb. 20:07 Stix hmmm 20:07 lumberJ depending on how you compiled you can either put mt_game in .minetest/games/ or put it in the minetest folder where you compiled under /games/ 20:07 Krock PS: there's a dummy backend, perfectly suited for experiments 20:08 Stix oh i just realized i just plopped minetest game into minetest folder not games directory 20:08 lumberJ yeah, that should fix it 20:10 Stix can i open minetest without a menu? the menu icon just opens 0.5 i compiled last night 20:10 lumberJ you'll need a new menu icon for stable 20:10 Librism Krock 20:11 Librism You still here? 20:11 lumberJ or you can launch it with terminal, Stix 20:11 Krock no 20:11 Librism You have discord Krock? 20:11 Stix @Krock how do i do that? 20:11 lumberJ Stix : /path/to/minetest/bin/minetest 20:11 Krock Librism, this time a honest "no" 20:11 Krock Stix, cd ./bin && ./minetest 20:12 Krock like lumberJ said. start it from the terminal 20:12 Krock unless you meant starting it without the *mainmenu* 20:12 Stix BTW: whats the point of the first_join password verification 20:12 Stix oh and thx a lot 20:12 Librism xD 20:12 Librism aight 20:13 Krock the verification is to ensure you're using the right password to *create a new* account. If it appears on a server where you've already been to, then it's maybe a trap 20:13 Stix ah kk 20:14 Stix i put this in the terminal, doesnt work: /home/xubuntu/Downloads/minetest/bin/minetest 20:14 Krock ah. it doesn't work. tells me much about what's wrong. /s 20:14 Stix oh 20:15 Stix well /home/xubuntu/Downloads/minetest is the path to minetest and i added /bin/minetest to the end of that like lumberj said 20:15 lumberJ thats where you compiled it Stix? 20:16 Krock doesn't matter as long there's builtin 20:16 lumberJ yeah i know, just want to make sure he didn't copy it elsewhere 20:16 lumberJ before compiling 20:16 Stix yes thats where i put it 20:16 Krock or doesn't matter at all when it's a system wide build by accident 20:16 Stix what do you mean theres builtin? 20:16 lumberJ did you get any message back? 20:16 Stix hold on 20:17 Krock if the message is longer than three lines PLEASE paste it to PASTEBIN 20:17 lumberJ :) always a good idea 20:17 Stix i got this: bash: /home/xubuntu/Downloads/minetest/bin/minetest: No such file or directory 20:17 Krock so you didn't copy it there 20:18 lumberJ can you cd into that /bin/ directory? 20:18 Stix ill try 20:19 Stix bash: cd: /home/xubuntu/Downloads/minetest/bin/minetest: No such file or directory :/ 20:19 lumberJ yeah so your path must not be right 20:19 lumberJ maybe find it in thunar first and make sure its where you think it is 20:20 Stix whats thunar? 20:20 Krock your file explorer 20:20 Stix also i can see the file when i got to that directory 20:20 lumberJ ah wait 20:20 lumberJ cd to bin not to minetest 20:20 lumberJ you cant cd to the file itself 20:21 Stix rlly? 20:21 Stix hmm 20:21 lumberJ so: cd ~/Downloads/minetest/bin 20:21 lumberJ yes its not a directory 20:21 Stix so i do: cd /bin/minetest? 20:22 lumberJ cd ~/Downloads/minetest/bin 20:22 Krock Stix, crash course. cd /dir joins an absolute path. cd ./dir joins the directory relatively to your current directory (denoted with .) 20:22 lumberJ then try ./minetest 20:25 Stix oki since im stupid im google this 20:25 Stix google bin 20:26 lumberJ bin is just a directory insided the minetest directory 20:27 citiesMatrix hi 20:28 lumberJ hello cities 20:28 Stix if bin is inside minetest then why is bin the first "excutable" in the prompt line? 20:29 citiesMatrix do you mind telling me what my nick is displaying as 20:29 citiesMatrix not used to this matrix bridge 20:29 lumberJ citiesMatrix 20:29 Krock hello matrix citiesMatrix 20:30 Stix cities matrix 20:30 Librism reeeeeee 20:30 citiesMatrix wonderful.... 20:33 cities oh well dont know how to change it 20:34 lumberJ you just did 20:34 cities oh. it just didn't tell me it did. 20:34 cities interesting 20:34 lumberJ it told us :D 20:35 Stix yeah it did 20:35 cities :) 20:35 Stix i think ill just wait for the geek in the family to show me how to use bin xF 20:35 Stix *xD 20:35 lumberJ Stix: cd ~/Downloads/minetest/bin 20:36 Stix tried dat 20:36 lumberJ and are you in bin directory after that? 20:36 Stix do i need to be a a certain directory first? 20:36 lumberJ no the ~ makes it not matter 20:36 cities Ever used the Riot.im client? 20:36 Stix im at the bin directory atm: /Downloads/minetest/builtin 20:36 cities It’s a little over my head 20:37 Stix oki without tilda still doesnt work 20:38 lumberJ i think you are making this more complicated. either the directory isn't where you say it is or you are not typing exactly as I am 20:38 lumberJ you shouldn't be in the builtin directory if you did: cd ~/Downloads/minetest/bin 20:39 lumberJ if nothing happens after that, then you should be in the bin directory 20:39 Stix i did "cd /home/xubuntu/Downloads/minetest/builtin 20:39 Stix doesnt bin = builtin? 20:39 lumberJ no 20:39 lumberJ the minetest executable is inside the minetest/bin directory 20:40 Stix theres only builtin not bin, i just checked the filesystem 20:42 lumberJ possibly the compile process didn't succeed? 20:42 Stix but everything else is there.... 20:43 lumberJ all of that is downloaded. i think the /bin/minetest executable is just created after everything compiles 20:43 Stix oh 20:43 lumberJ when you compile did you see it get to 100% in the terminal? 20:43 Stix i wonder why it doesnt appear in menu 20:43 Stix let me check 20:44 Stix yes 100% 20:44 lumberJ it wouldn't add to the menu automatically when compiling 20:44 lumberJ if you mean the whisker menu 20:45 Stix yes whisker menu 20:46 Stix it automatically added whisker menu when compiling 0.5-dev 20:47 lumberJ the one-line script handled it probably 20:47 Stix oh 20:48 lumberJ idk, but that would be my guess. i've never compiled minetest and had it show up in my menu automatically though 20:48 lumberJ is the ppa for stable not up to date yet? is that why you are compiling? 20:49 Stix yes 20:49 Stix the version it has is 0.4.13 20:50 lumberJ the ppa? no 20:50 lumberJ the default repo maybe 20:50 lumberJ https://launchpad.net/~minetestdevs/+archive/ubuntu/stable 20:50 lumberJ not sure if that includes the 0.4.17.1 fixes though 20:50 rubenwardy yay xubuntu 20:51 rubenwardy well no 20:51 rubenwardy yay xfce 20:51 lumberJ xubuntu not all bad 20:51 lumberJ if you have to be on something ubuntu based 20:51 lumberJ :) 20:51 Stix huh, how do i use that 20:52 lumberJ the directions are on the link 20:52 rubenwardy there's 3 command line instructions 20:52 lumberJ under "Adding this PPA 20:52 lumberJ after you run those do: sudo apt-get install minetest 20:53 Stix ah kk i see it 20:53 Stix thx 20:53 lumberJ you might want to remove minetest 0.4.13 if its on your system though. not sure if it will update automatically or just cause system confusion 20:55 Stix oki its working 20:57 rubenwardy it will update proper 20:57 rubenwardy well 20:57 Stix i got this: update-rc.d: error: insserv rejected the script header dpkg: error processing package cryptsetup (--configure): subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1 dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of ubiquity: ubiquity depends on cryptsetup; however: Package cryptsetup is not configured yet. dpkg: error processing package ubiquity (--configure): dependency problems - leaving un 20:57 rubenwardy unless there's different package names 20:57 lumberJ that'd be when its good to use pastebin^ 20:58 Stix whats pastebin? 20:59 lumberJ a website to post long strings of text so you don't spam up the chat 21:01 Stix so like this?: https://pastebin.com/EHj3aJAn 21:01 lumberJ yes 21:02 lumberJ is minetest updated in your menu now 21:03 lumberJ i dont think that error is from minetest 21:03 Stix it brings up 0.5 21:04 lumberJ did you compile 0.5 or use the daily ppa? 21:05 Stix daily ppa thing you linked 21:05 Stix im stupid theres builds for different os versions 21:05 Stix actually u cant pick 21:05 Stix i guess it does auto 21:06 lumberJ its automatic 21:07 lumberJ i didnt link the daily builds 21:07 Stix kk 21:08 lumberJ but if you previously installed 0.5 with the daily-builds ppa, 0.4.17 won't install from ppa 21:09 lumberJ if you used the one-line script though, i don't really know what the problem would be 21:10 Stix i used this to get 0.5: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837 21:10 lumberJ i always just compile from the directions in the game and never have problems 21:14 lumberJ Stix, what happens if you type: minetest --version 21:14 lumberJ in terminal 21:15 Stix Minetest 0.5.0-dev-18f1ede 21:16 lumberJ seems like theres some sort of conflict with having both versions i guess 21:16 lumberJ do you need minetest 0.5.0 now? 21:16 Stix no 21:16 Stix i dont 21:17 Stix i was just testing it out 21:19 lumberJ i'm not super versed in make but if you go to ~/minetest and do make uninstall you might be able to get it uninstalled properly 21:19 Stix "make uninstall"? 21:20 lumberJ you could try that. as i said i'm not versed in uninstalling that way so i'm not sure it will work 21:20 Stix kk 21:20 lumberJ you may just have to delete the 0.5.0 directory and maybe purge minetest with apt will work 21:21 lumberJ then reinstall and hopefully you will get the version from the ppa 21:24 lumberJ if the ppa did install correctly you should see minetest in /usr/share/minetest i believe 21:24 lumberJ but you will still want to clean up the 0.5.0 stuff so it launches properly 21:25 lumberJ the lesson here is don't run scripts if you don't understand exactly what they are doing :P 21:26 Stix *** No rule to make target 'uninstall'. Stop. 21:27 lumberJ yeah, i was afraid of that 21:28 Stix hmm i survived lava dunking just now lol 21:28 lumberJ maybe sudo make uninstall 21:28 Stix im multitasking mining and irc'ing xD 21:28 lumberJ but it probably just doesn't have an uninstall script 21:28 Stix that doesnt work either 21:30 lumberJ well stack overflow has some other advice but i think its a bit beyond the scope of trying to explain here and not really in the realm of my knowledge 21:30 lumberJ i would maybe suggest trying to sudo apt-get remove --purge minetest 21:31 lumberJ if that seems to work, delete the minetest folder with 0.5.0 and then try to reinstall 21:31 Stix oki 21:31 lumberJ but since it wasn't installed with apt, i can't guarantee anything 21:31 Stix have you noticed that the lighting in 0.5 is way smoother? 21:32 lumberJ hmm, not really but i haven't played it much. 21:32 Stix i wonder what they changed 21:32 lumberJ i test stuff on it but it crashes too much to play for me 21:34 Stix its never crashed on me sofar 21:41 num3rical_ Is the current Android build working? It crashes upon trying to start a local game on Android 8.0.0 21:41 Krock no. we have some reports about that already 21:43 num3rical_ Alrighty, thank you. 22:07 mazes_80 Krock, sfan5: I've seen some french translated pages not existing/up to date, how to request user wiki user account ? 22:07 sfan5 ask Calinou when he's online 22:08 mazes_80 okay, so maybe, it's time 22:11 mazes_80 Calinou: I sent updated wiki french translation via pastebin on this channel yesterday, for one modification, it's okay. But for more of them, seems a bit unconvenient. So as I have now more of them to update, I wa told to ask for a wiki user account.