Time  Nick        Message
01:58 ircSparky   so
01:58 ircSparky   to get
01:58 ircSparky   obj:set_attribute(username, playername)
01:59 ircSparky   obj:get_arribute(username)?
01:59 ircSparky   do that?
02:00 swift110    hey
09:54 rubenwardy  ircSparky: get/set_attribute is for players only
09:55 rubenwardy  to modify obj properties, use get/set_properties
09:55 rubenwardy  and store custom stuff in a Lua Entity, put it in the lua table then serialise it as part of the serialise functions
09:55 rubenwardy  so   obj:get_luaentity().foo = bar
09:56 rubenwardy  also, get/set_attribute is deprecated in 0.5.0 and replaced with :get_meta()
12:37 Wuzzy       where are the servers for www.minetest.net, forum.minetest.net and so on hosted?
12:37 rubenwardy  celeron55's VPS
12:37 rubenwardy  www.minetest.net is a thin reverse proxy to github.io
12:37 rubenwardy  the rest are hosted using php
12:38 rubenwardy  on the VPS
12:38 rubenwardy  server.minetest.net is by sfan
12:38 rubenwardy  see https://www.minetest.net/development/#reporting-issues
14:09 ircSparky   thanks ruben
15:21 cimbakahn   In the server list, play online tab, what is the difference between the servers in white and the servers in grey?
15:22 sfan5       grey don't have a compatible version to your client
15:24 cimbakahn   sfan5, Thank you!  I was always wondering about the difference, but never asked until now.
15:47 greeter     so i have a weird issue. i restored a backup of a minetest server i made, but it's generating a new map rather than loading the existing one. it only does this on the server. when i download the backup and run it locally, everything works correctly. any ideas what i should check?
15:49 ircSparky   are you sure its using the right world?
15:50 greeter     it should be. i used to start the world from a script. the only changes i've made involved commenting and uncommenting the line that starts the minetest server
15:50 ircSparky   k
15:51 greeter     oh, well that did something that looks pretty bad
15:51 greeter     "minetest: /build/minetest-wva50I/minetest-0.4.16/src/threading/mutex.cpp:86: void Mutex::lock(): Assertion `!ret' failed. Aborted (core dumped)
15:52 ircSparky   are you trying to make a newer build of minetest?
15:52 greeter     no
15:53 ircSparky   hm, well I have no idea what that is about :P
15:54 ircSparky   well, what you should do is try to find where the new map is being made
15:54 ircSparky   and where the old map is
15:54 ircSparky   unless
15:54 greeter     maybe all it needs is for the box its on to be restarted
15:54 ircSparky   you know its deleting the old one
15:55 greeter     i know where the old map is. when i saw what was happening i downloaded a copy of the backup locally to see if maybe the map was corrupted and couldn't be loaded, but that doesn't appear to be the case
15:55 Markow      MT is so awesome, many cheers to the devs
15:56 greeter     it's one of the best games ever developed in my opinion. i just wish i was better at making it work for me :-P
15:56 Markow      It's fantastic, especially with the plethora of mods
15:57 greeter     the mods make it work for sure
15:58 greeter     i think i'll try deleting the server backup and uploading my copy to see if that fixes the damage
15:58 Markow      greeter: You run a server? Is it creative?
15:58 greeter     yes
15:58 Markow      Oh wow!
15:59 greeter     well, this one is
15:59 Markow      May I ask a favor?
15:59 greeter     unfortunately it's also broken. i shelved it to run a survival server, but now i think i can run both
15:59 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Biome-defined cave liquids: Use faster biome calculation 13bb3baef https://git.io/vpWi4 (152018-04-26T15:28:37Z)
15:59 greeter     what is it?
15:59 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Biome-defined dungeon nodes: Use faster biome calculation 139d7335a https://git.io/vpWiR (152018-04-26T15:27:06Z)
15:59 Markow      You you start one with a map for creative, to allocated large plots to users, and we basically build a small city or town with train station, and connect one another by rail?
16:00 Markow      *Could you...
16:00 greeter     the creative map i have now only has one city. if i can get the thing working properly, you're welcome to connect to it and try to make it work
16:00 Markow      That would be cool
16:01 Markow      Are you on the MT server list?
16:01 greeter     alright. i'll notice you the server address. but i ask that you please don't connect to it until i say it's ok since i'm still trying to fix things
16:01 Markow      ok
16:01 Markow      But wait, what version server / game are you using?
16:01 greeter     it's in the minetest server list, when it runs
16:01 Markow      I'm on 0.50 dev
16:01 greeter     it's 0.4.16 right now
16:01 Markow      maybe I'll wait until you upgrade?
16:02 greeter     the plan for that is about one month after 0.50 is made official
16:02 Markow      Perhaps I'll wait then
16:02 Krock       tl;dr consider using 0.4.17 from the backport-0.4 branch
16:03 greeter     i might do that. i first want to get the creative server working at all first lol
16:03 Krock       I've got both versions with the games, worlds, textures and locale directories symlinked
16:04 Krock       works pretty good to play on both server versions
16:04 Markow      Krock: What type of server do you run?
16:04 Krock       (also, run_in_place binaries)
16:04 Krock       Markow, I think you misunderstood me. I'm talking about the clients. If you have a 0.4.17 server you'll profit from the bugfixes whereas the 0.4.16 compat is kept
16:05 Krock       so the majority of the players could play there
16:05 Markow      Ok, I understand
16:08 greeter     ha, now the server won't start saying the port is already in use, even though i just rebooted the box
16:11 Krock       1) wrong port variable  2) you configured minetestserver as daemon  3) minetestserver is already running by any other reason
16:12 greeter     hmm for some reason it did start on system reboot. oh well a quick kill command fixed that issue
16:13 rdococ      4) aliens have taken your computer and replaced it with an imperfect clone
16:13 greeter     well it isn't my hardware i just rent it
16:14 rdococ      let's hope they don't notice the extraterrestrial tampering then ;)
16:14 greeter     ah finally got the map to load, now to simply reload the world.mt file and it should all work like magic
16:26 greeter     yes! it works. Markow if you did want to check it out, feel free to. there may still be a few bugs but nothing catastrophic
16:29 Markow      Try sending me a pm now, you should be able to
16:29 Markow      I think
16:34 greeter     alright
16:46 greeter     is there a 0.5.0 minetest download for windows out yet?
16:51 Krock       greeter, https://gitlab.com/minetest/minetest/pipelines
16:51 Krock       see also: Forums / Builds
16:59 greeter     thank you kindly Krock, found precisely what i needed on the forums
17:00 Krock       !next
17:00 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next!
17:39 greeter     lol
17:39 greeter     now if my fiancee can actually run it, i think it'll be time for a server upgrade
17:41 Markow      cool
18:41 Astrobe     Shara: I'm trying apple regrowth with a single apple type. The problem is possible exploits, but it seems that it is less susceptible to cause mod breakage.
18:41 Astrobe     The basic anti-exploit checks (leavs+tree nearby) are reducing the possibilty of breaking mods also.
18:42 Astrobe     I don't see an other mod placing apples near a tree.
18:43 Astrobe     Against exploits, I'm thinking about making the regrowth unreliable.
18:43 Astrobe     That is, the apple may or may not regrow.
18:44 Astrobe     The regrow duration could be left as a function for the modders. We can let them return 0, which means "don't regrow".
18:44 Astrobe     That let them also perform extra checks to enforce compatibility with other mods that produce apples.
18:56 Shara       Astrobe: note https://github.com/Ezhh/endless_apples/issues/3
18:57 Shara       I'm not going to overcomplicate this though. It's the responsibility of any server owner to review mods and make sure that a given combination works well for them at the end of the day
18:58 Shara       And since I plan to adjust the timers... getting one free apple a day or whatever it might be... it's not exactly a big or problematic issue
18:58 Astrobe     Agreed.
18:59 Shara       Idealy this is a mod you'd enable when you first start out on a map
19:03 Astrobe     Yet the fact that apples provided by mods (treasure chests etc.) go in a separate item stack is a no-go for my subgame. I can manage, but I'm afraid it could lessen the usefulness of the mod for others as well.
19:04 Astrobe     An alternative implementation with different pros and cons wouldn't hurt, that said.
19:16 Shara       Well, feel free to suggest a way to avoid needing the second type
19:16 greeter     so i'm getting an error that says "main.cpp:e2: int main(int, char**): A fatal error occured: Failed to open log file debug.txt: Permission denied" is there any way to know where minetest expects to be able to create this file, or to have it skipped entirely?
19:17 Shara       There may be ways ... I can think of at least one way to do it, but very low on time right now
19:18 greeter     ah ok no worries
19:18 Astrobe     np, I'm doing it.
19:19 Astrobe     greeter: Linux or Windows?
19:20 greeter     got it actually, although now minetest is complaining about a missing subgame :\
21:18 Markow      greeter: Joining your server right now!
21:46 Markow      Nice server!
21:56 greeter     thanks :-)