Time  Nick            Message
00:12 riff-IRC        okay?
00:12 riff-IRC        wat happened
00:42 Evidlo[m]       does the dreambuilder modpack work for 0.5 dev?
00:42 Evidlo[m]       I'm getting "unresolved name conflict for 'youngtrees', 'worldeditlimited'" etc
00:47 Evidlo[m]       VanessaE (IRC): Does dreambuilder work on 0.5.0-dev ?
00:47 VanessaE        I don't know.
00:47 VanessaE        I have not tested it with anything newer than 0.4.16
00:47 VanessaE        (nor do I plan to, yet)
00:48 jas_            it's all about the 0.4.17
00:48 Evidlo[m]       does the above error indicate that it doesn't work, or am I doing something wrong?  I just cloned the folder into ~/.minetest/mods/
00:49 VanessaE        jas_: well, 0.4.17 ain't out yet, and idk what it'll have compared to 0.4.16, and in any case 0.5.x is the "lets break stuff" release, so I'm avoiding it
00:49 jas_            an unresolved name conflict doesn't sound like a fatal error, but i'm guessing.
00:49 VanessaE        I don't recognize that error, Evidlo[m]
00:50 jas_            o>
00:53 Evidlo[m]       VanessaE (IRC): It works.  turns out I had installed the modpack to both the build folder and ~/.minetest
00:53 VanessaE        ah
04:53 MinetestBot     02[git] 04sofar -> 03minetest/minetest: Correct `prot_vers` in lua_api.txt. 13c60abb2 https://git.io/vddaD (152017-10-20T04:39:45Z)
14:35 stormchaser3000 (i am probably going to get yelled at for this but oh well, here we go) is it possible to build 0.5.0-dev on android? i want to test it
14:35 sfan5           ON android? no chance
14:35 sfan5           for android? sure
15:00 stormchaser3000 sfan5: ah ok. so i can't compile it on my tablet but i can compile it for my tablet. how would i go about that?
15:02 sfan5           read the docs
15:02 stormchaser3000 ok
15:02 stormchaser3000 btw i don't plan on releasing it on google play or anything. i just want to test it
15:15 blaise          lmao
15:17 blaise          I got a funtoo chroot on an ARM device running openwrt linux that can compile
15:17 blaise          =)
16:02 deltasquared    blaise: yeah but like disk performance and CPU power, it'd take ages >_>
16:03 blaise          eh, mines not tea bag...
16:04 blaise          equivalent of a 400 Pentium II and I have external storage..
16:05 blaise          I wouldn't compile a whole rom/bin but I can run custom packages
16:07 deltasquared    I wouldn't want that in my pocket though when it does
16:08 deltasquared    a funtoo chroot? that's cool, I have an archlinux ARM co-hosted install (/usr etc. is bind mounted under /, can use binaries from terminal without having to su all the time)
16:08 deltasquared    the SELinux permissions were a PITA though
16:08 deltasquared    I have tried compiling stuff on it but not minetest >_>
16:30 loganrun        trying to use minetest. where are the worlds, why are there not enemies houses or anthing else?
16:34 Etzos[m]        The vanilla Minetest game is pretty basic. If you want more things (enemies, etc.) you should use a modpack. I'm afraid it's been a little while since I've played, but I'm sure others here have some suggestions for some good ones.
16:35 loganrun        is there any standard place to get it? do you not run minetest?
16:35 loganrun        running linux
16:37 loganrun        sounds like there is something called "minetest game" that is supposed to be installed but I don't see it
16:37 Etzos[m]        Oh, they're called subgames. That shows how long it's been. :( https://www.minetest.net/customize/
16:37 LazyJ           loganrun - The MT Forums are where you will find mods and texture packs:   https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=11
16:37 Etzos[m]        If I remember correctly there's also a decent list of them in the forums.
16:37 Krock           MinetestBot's command "!mod <keyword>" will assist you
16:38 Etzos[m]        I'm afraid it's been quite a while since I've played. And even recently I've largely been a lurker.
16:38 LazyJ           loganrun - Search your Linux distribution's repositories for "minetest_game", if you installed the engine from repositories.
16:38 loganrun        lurker? are there popular servers
16:39 loganrun        yeah, don't see any minetest_game on my system
16:39 LazyJ           The different engine versions are not all compatible with different minetest_game versions.
16:39 LazyJ           lurker = idling in chat, just observing.
16:39 loganrun        did apt-cache serach minetest but no "game" came up
16:39 loganrun        something seems wrong
16:40 LazyJ           The other option is to compile from sources but that can be can of worms.
16:40 sfan5           minetest_game should be included with the default install
16:40 sfan5           if you want another subgame you will need to download it from the forums
16:41 loganrun        well I just have the minetest executable
16:41 sfan5           then run that
16:42 loganrun        it sounds like there is a "game" version with enemies etc.
16:42 sfan5           no no
16:43 sfan5           you need to install mobs as additional mobs if you want them
16:43 sfan5           additional mods*
16:43 loganrun        sfan5: from apt-get
16:43 sfan5           no
16:44 loganrun        is there a file that conains the basic stuff to get going, or do I just have to keep googling and hope to find something
16:46 jas_            !mod mobs redo
16:46 MinetestBot     jas_: Mobs Redo [mobs] by TenPlus1 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9917
16:48 LazyJ           loganrun - The MT Forums are where you will find mods and texture packs:   https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=11
16:49 LazyJ           Minetest game is very plain, no enemies, no structures, just landscape.
16:49 LazyJ           You have to add mods to create your own customized world of stuff.
16:50 loganrun        yeah, noticed that. ok so I ened up with a director mobs_redo-master with textures, sounds and locale in it. is this comething that needs to be compied in or do I just put it in a folder
16:50 LazyJ           Extra plants, trees, hostile mobs (enemies), friendly mobs (traders, pets, critters), different decorative blocks, etc.
16:50 jas_            select your world, click "configure" and enable the mod there
16:50 LazyJ           Typically the mods are zipped.
16:51 loganrun        where do I put the contents of the zip file though
16:51 jas_            in ~/.minetest/mods
16:51 LazyJ           Extract them into the .../minetest/mods directory and then do as jas_ suggests.
16:52 jas_            np: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPlhcpSZ8YI
16:52 jas_            !title
16:52 MinetestBot     jas_: AFX - Smojphace - Ktpa1 - YouTube
16:52 loganrun        .minetest/mods/mobs_redo-master
16:52 jas_            /home/loganrun/.minetest/mods/mobs_redo-master
16:52 LazyJ           Rename without "-master".
16:52 jas_            that should no longer matter, as mod.conf will specify it
16:53 LazyJ           An old quirk that still stumbles new comers.
16:53 jas_            and the mod's name is `mobs' not `mobs_redo'
16:53 Krock           git clone URL --depth 10
16:53 jas_            indeed.  cd ~/.minetest/mods && git clone git://github.com/tenplus1/mobs_redo.git
16:53 Krock           that's the most efficient method, as it only requires a single command to update
16:54 jas_            it requires git, however
16:55 LazyJ           Confused yet? :)-
16:55 jas_            yes
16:55 jas_            haha
16:56 LazyJ           MT's user-friendliness still needs therapy.
16:56 Krock           the rapy/rape?
16:57 loganrun        ok got rid of master and seems like it is enabled now I guess I just keep walking around looking for some creatures
16:57 jas_            type /mods and make sure you see it listed
16:57 loganrun        where do I type that?
16:58 LazyJ           Some mobs only spawn at night or underground.
16:58 jas_            into chat, loganrun
16:58 jas_            default [T]
16:58 LazyJ           loganrun - Hit the / key and then enter "mods"
16:58 LazyJ           Erm... when in the game, run the /mods command.
16:58 jas_            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5uQMwRMHcs
16:59 jas_            !title
16:59 MinetestBot     jas_: Daft Punk - Instant Crush ft. Julian Casablancas - YouTube
16:59 LazyJ           Start MT, create a world, start the world, then run the command.
17:00 LazyJ           While there, hit the F10 key to get the full drop-down HUD and enter   /help all     to see all the possible commands.
17:00 loganrun        hmm got farming fire and some other stuff, no critters yet, must need more mods
17:00 Krock           !mod nssm
17:00 MinetestBot     Krock: Not So Simple Mobs [nssm] by npx - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11813
17:01 jas_            https://i.imgur.com/I3xv55e.png ^_^
17:01 Krock           check your log output whether it contains a message about the other mob mod
17:01 jas_            oh that's right
17:01 Krock           maybe the dependencies weren't found
17:02 jas_            you need to git clone github.com/tenplus1/mobs_animal or mobs_monster
17:02 jas_            it got separated recently
17:02 Krock           jas_, pretty sure I'm on that list too
17:02 jas_            *\xD/*
17:02 Krock           are you running the latest HEAD or some version in between?
17:03 jas_            HEAD~1 i think?  the one before sofar's push, perhaps
17:03 * jas_          checks
17:03 jas_            f36e3231
17:03 Krock           ah I see. So it includes the real global textures, which I haven't compiled yet into my development builds
17:03 jas_            HEAD~2 i think that is
17:04 * jas_          updates
17:05 loganrun        ok added all the mods, but /mods just lists beds,boad,bones,bucker,create,default,doors,dye,farming,fire,flower,give_initial_sutff,screwedrive,sethome,stairs,tnt,vessues,woold,xpanes
17:05 sfan5           you need to enable them in the configure menu
17:06 LazyJ           loganrun - That list you have is only the default batch of mods that come with minetest_game.
17:07 loganrun        yeah, so I went to configure, and checked them, I notice if I click on one it has stuff like depends toolranks?
17:07 LazyJ           Go through the configuration menu to activate mods you've put in the /mods directory.
17:07 Raven262        toolranks is getting popular!
17:07 Raven262        lisac look see this
17:07 lisac           wtf
17:07 loganrun        yeah, they are enabled but don't do anything as far as I can tell, let me check the folders
17:08 LazyJ           Why would mobs_redo need toolranks?
17:08 sfan5           if they are enabled but not running then mt should have printed an error message somewhere
17:08 lisac           man for a moment there I thought people were asking me to join a communist uprising.
17:08 LazyJ           If it does, it does. Just wondering if that is a new thing or not.
17:08 lisac           and it's just someone quoting a depends.txt
17:08 lisac           :(
17:09 loganrun        ERROR[main]: mod "mob_horse" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "mobs"
17:10 jas_            mobs_redo didn't get loaded for some reason, then.
17:10 loganrun        mod "mobs_monster" has unsatisfied dependencies:  "mobs"
17:11 LazyJ           Check the /mods/mobs_redo directory for directories with those names.
17:11 LazyJ           They *should* be there unless they were deleted or not completely extracted.
17:11 jas_            or maybe folder within a folder?  i don't think MT searches subdirectories
17:11 LazyJ           If there, then they need to be greened in the configuration menu.
17:16 jas_            https://i.imgur.com/x5Zu4Dj.png
17:16 loganrun        this is the contents of ~/.minetest/mobs/mobs_redo https://gist.github.com/c44ce8ec3ebb1753c686fb15304d57bc
17:17 loganrun        let me try renaming it just mobs as someone said and see what happens
17:19 LazyJ           That should work.
17:19 LazyJ           I just read the mod.conf file. It states   "mobs".
17:22 loganrun        better.  Failed to load and run script from .minetest/mods/mobs/init.lua:
17:22 loganrun        .minetest/mods/mobs/api.lua:27: attempt to index field 'settings' (a nil value)
17:23 Krock           your minetest version is <= 0.4.15
17:24 Krock           update to 0.4.16 stable, that'll fix it
17:25 jas_            debian stable is 0.4.15+repack2-1.
17:25 sfan5           fuckn distros always having outdated shit
17:25 Krock           quite recent for debian actually
17:25 jas_            true
17:26 Krock           but at least it's easy to tell that the minetest version is outdated when such errors appear
17:27 loganrun        hah I'll give that a shot
17:27 LazyJ           Compile 0.4.16-stable from source: engine:   https://github.com/minetest/minetest/tree/stable-0.4      minetest_game:   https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/tree/stable-0.4      squeezeball instead of pulling your hair out after all this:  https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Ft0.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcS41B4cERilx43C_Eez6JZ8p4Bmu_SvBfn0DPdlU6b1fEgtwKRqxA&sp=059396b03d94ea87c8c5a854b44301b4
17:27 LazyJ           &anticache=785208
17:27 Krock           thanks for google link
17:28 jas_            "you're going to need a pen."
17:28 LazyJ           I should have broke those across three lines.
17:29 Krock           yes, in the middle of the links. that works best ^
17:37 loganrun        good killed a cow, I think that worked
17:37 loganrun        don't see it in my inventory, but one step forward at least
17:37 LazyJ           loganrun is cooking steaks for us all! \o/
17:38 Krock           https://pastebin.com/raw/YVFP9pax
17:38 Krock           ^ what I've read
17:38 LazyJ           Check the ground near where you killed the cow. There may be one of two things, possibly both: raw meat and leather.
17:38 loganrun        ha, yeah
17:39 loganrun        now I have a side of beef to fight with
17:39 LazyJ           Install stujones' 3d_armor mod for protection against the hostile beasties.
17:40 LazyJ           https://github.com/stujones11/minetest-3d_armor
17:41 jas_            o/
17:42 loganrun        will do
17:47 Krock           also install shooter. that gives you some adventure more
17:47 Krock           and don't forget the airsword mod. it's the most powerful but funny item
17:48 LazyJ           airsword = fictional
17:48 Krock           lies. lies everywhere
17:49 Krock           they didn't even take it serious in the topic when it was released
17:49 LazyJ           Just getting MT to work has messed with loganrun enough.
17:57 loganrun        ok great
18:26 Dargod          is there any documentation for writing the API to the mod?
19:46 Dargod          init.lua:15: attempt to index global 'player' (a nil value)
19:47 Dargod          for line:
19:47 Dargod          local name = player:get_player_name()
19:48 Dargod          I'm sure there should not be an error here
19:50 Krock           needs more debug info, like a source reference
19:51 Krock           mods can create fake players or just pass "nil", please keep that in mind
19:52 Krock           ^ especially important for builtin functions, which get called from everything and everyone
19:54 Dargod          Krock, debug.txt https://pastebin.com/a1H4NmD6
19:56 jas_            'player' var is nil
19:56 Krock           oh really, jas_?
19:56 jas_            Can't use objectref method
19:56 jas_            Ha
19:56 Krock           Dargod, check your function parameters for typos
19:57 Krock           like "placer" instead of "player"
19:57 Krock           inside the init.lua file, of course
19:58 Dargod          hmm, player:get_player_name() must be always in the body of the function?
20:00 Krock           whatever you mean with "body".. I think so
20:07 Dargod          Krock, do not answer the last question
20:08 loganrun        so trying to figure out how to get multiple people to log in at the same time. I just ran minetest and created a ramdon world. then exited. then I ran mine testserver. and tried to connect to localhost:30000, it seems to connect but it shows nothing but gray. seems like something is not right. do I need to install something else
20:10 Krock           no, that's how it should work. tried 127.0.0.1:30000 or just reconnecting yet?
20:11 LazyJ           Semi-dumb question: are you using a separate install of Minetest for the server and for you to use to log in?
20:11 Dargod          I need to know and keep the name of the player permanently on some variable.  In the begin of init.lua I initialize a variable local name = player:get_player_name() that I plan to use in other parts of the mod
20:12 LazyJ           loganrun, you'll need two, separate Minetest's running.
20:13 LazyJ           One as a server, one as your client.
20:13 LazyJ           Also you'll have to have different settings in the server's minetest.conf than your client's minetest.conf.
20:14 LazyJ           Eh, scratch that if you are using the menus to start the server.
20:15 LazyJ           The minetest.conf part, you'll still need two Minetests running at the same time.
20:15 loganrun        well, yeah I think the client connected to the server o.k., it just products a blank world
20:16 LazyJ           Has the world actually been created in the server yet?
20:16 LazyJ           Run the server Minetest, start that world in the menu as a singleplayer world, let it generate the necessary files, then log out.
20:17 LazyJ           Then start it again as a server and use your other Minetest to log into it.
20:22 loganrun        minetestserver --worldname test
20:22 loganrun        yeah I think that is what I did
20:23 jas_            that makes the world directory in the current directory
20:24 jas_            so if you do minetestserver inside ~/myfolder, then 'test' world is in ~/myfolder/test
20:24 jas_            pretty cool, if not confusing, particularly in regards to --worldpath
20:24 jas_            (which explicitly searches $PATH/worlds)
20:24 jas_            anyway, if you create a folder "worldmods" in your world directory, you can just put mods in there, and they'll always be enabled
20:25 loganrun        ok, think I found the problem. terminate called after throwing an instance of 'VersionMismatchException'
20:25 loganrun        what():  ERROR: MapBlock format not supported
20:26 loganrun        guess my server must be the wrong version or something
20:28 loganrun        looks like the server and client used to be the the same
20:55 loganrun        so I am running Minetest 0.4.16 (Linux), does the server also have to be 0.4.16
20:55 loganrun        version
20:57 jas_            i think that's just 0.5.0
20:57 IhrFussel       Dargod, you cannot just type player:get_player_name() at the beginning of init.lua you need to type it INSIDE a minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(player)
20:58 loganrun        looks like the only server I can find is 0.4.13
20:58 loganrun        so I guess it won't work
20:58 LazyJ           Client and server must be within 2 versions of each other. 0.4.14-0.4.16
20:59 Dargod          IhrFussel, thanks
20:59 IhrFussel       Dargod, example: minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(player) [newline] local name = player:get_player_name() [newline] do stuff [newline] end)
21:00 LazyJ           If you compiled your 0.4.16 as a standalone, then you can make a copy of it to run as a server.
21:00 loganrun        just used the package manager to install it
21:01 loganrun        maybe that is my only option though, but often times compiling stuff is a pain
21:01 LazyJ           What Linux distribution are you using?
21:01 loganrun        linux mint
21:01 loganrun        it is close to ubuntu
21:01 LazyJ           You're golden.
21:02 loganrun        so you are saying the server executable is in the compilation by default
21:02 LazyJ           Download the source code from GitHub, extract, read the README.md. It has specific instructions for compiling on Ubuntu-based distributions.
21:03 IhrFussel       Doesn't mint support PPA's? sudo apt-add-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable; sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install minetest
21:03 LazyJ           Of the Linux distributions, Ubuntu is among the easiest to compile MT on.
21:05 IhrFussel       PPAs are easier than compiling but it's your choice...depending on whether you need custom compile flags or not
21:05 LazyJ           loganrun is trying to setup a server and client on the same machine.
21:06 LazyJ           Just getting to know MT at this stage.
21:06 IhrFussel       That shouldn't be impossible with PPAs
21:06 IhrFussel       AFAIK you can run as many MT instances as you like at once
21:06 loganrun        IhrFussel: found the client version 0.4.16 but the server is only 0.4.13
21:06 LazyJ           Yup.
21:07 jas_            that might be too far, actually.  there was a breakage there IIRC.
21:07 IhrFussel       You can use the client version for server as well...they are both
21:07 jas_            or am i mistaken?
21:07 LazyJ           I have to go into town for a while. Good luck. :)
21:08 IhrFussel       Or try sudo apt-get install minetestserver AFTER you added the PPA
21:08 loganrun        IhrFussel: could not find ppa with the correct version of the minetestserver.
21:08 IhrFussel       You need to add the PPA first to tell your OS to not choose the default 0.4.13
21:08 loganrun        Lazthanks for help
21:09 IhrFussel       Are you sure that ppa:minetestdevs/stable doesn't provide 0.4.16?
21:10 jas_            if you want to run a server and client separately on the same host, you can do so with the one executable.
21:10 jas_            using minetest --server, for example.  and a second process, `minetest --go`
21:10 jas_            `minetest --go --address ''`
21:12 loganrun        did sudo add-apt-repository ppa:minetestdevs/stable, but just get version 0.4.13
21:12 loganrun        ok will try that
21:12 IhrFussel       Did you do sudo apt-get update before installing minetestserver?
21:13 IhrFussel       But minetestserver is basically the exact same as minetest --server by the way
21:13 loganrun        yes
21:15 loganrun        yeah, seems like the server parameter does it. wonder if they obsoleted the stand alone server executable
21:16 jas_            no, but yes, for a time
21:16 jas_            IIRC that was a change that ocurred and was reverted
21:16 jas_            i can remember these small details but not the spelling of occur
21:18 IhrFussel       No I use minetestserver on my dedi but usually the PPA should have both minetest and minetestserver
21:25 jas_            that's why it was reverted.  because debian needed a package without irrlicht headers.
21:25 jas_            (i could be making all of this up.)