Time  Nick           Message
02:23 orbea          found a wierd way to survive falls from any height....be in a boat :P
02:24 orbea          put boat in water pouring down, get in the boat and drive forward out of hte water and fall
02:26 swift110       hey orbea
02:27 Tazy           are you saying i can go to space and just when taking on too much water, land savely by boat on land? neat.
09:27 jas_           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RA-j-VB1ZeA
09:28 jas_           !title
09:28 MinetestBot    jas_: Long Play III - YouTube
16:52 MinetestBot    02[git] 04lhofhansl -> 03minetest/minetest: Set range of blocks to retrieve per roundtrip to 2. 13cdedaac https://git.io/vd58y (152017-10-19T16:47:58Z)
17:31 TalkLounge     Hello, I reprogrammed my Minetest Main Menu a little bit, so if I you join the first time on a server, your password will save in a .txt file and after that you only press connect and the password will be filed in automaticly
17:32 sfan5          you should consider sending a pull request on github
17:32 TalkLounge     So if you open minetest you first enter the decrpytionkey
17:33 TalkLounge     So the decryptionkey should be saved until you close Minetest
17:33 TalkLounge     How can I do that?
17:33 sfan5          ok that sounds terrible because i assume you implemented some kind of "encryption" yourself
17:34 rubenwardy     make sure you use a well known one, like AES-256
17:34 sfan5          that's not enough
17:35 TalkLounge     Yes, because the passwords for the server shouldn´t be in the file, because everyone how see the file, you know your passwords
17:36 red-001        could you add a checkbox to save the password and only save if after the user logs in successfully?
17:36 TalkLounge     The encryption is not the problem, the problem is, that I didnt find a way to save the encryptionkey you tipe when you start minetest and delete the key, when you close minetest
17:36 sfan5          you can just save that in a text file tho
17:36 sfan5          too*
17:37 red-001        if you are saving the key then whats the point of using it?
17:37 TalkLounge     Yes, but how I check if you close Minetest to delete the encryptionkey?
17:37 rubenwardy     I'd store it in C++ somewhere, and make an API
17:38 rubenwardy     for the main menu
17:38 sfan5          red-001: obfuscation
17:38 TalkLounge     Yes.... But then I must compile a new minetest
17:38 sfan5          pretty sure chrome does this too, your passwords are not 100% safe but you can't just grab then from the sqlite file without effort
17:39 TalkLounge     And I want to public that "mod" in the forum, if it work
17:39 TalkLounge     And I dont want to add a new minetest
17:39 red-001        I makes even less sense for chrome and firefox
17:39 red-001        it*
17:39 sfan5          why
17:39 red-001        since you can just view the passwords in browser
17:40 rubenwardy     in firefox your passwords are encrypted using your master password, if you have one set
17:40 sfan5          that's not the point
17:40 rubenwardy     and you need to enter it on each load
17:40 red-001        ah good point I forgot you could set that
17:40 TalkLounge     Is there a way to check via lua, if you have closed minetest or something like that, or something what will be reset ervy time, when you close minetest
17:40 rubenwardy     no
17:40 rubenwardy     if you exit from a game, it won't run the main menu again
17:41 rubenwardy     exit from a game -> to the OS
17:41 rubenwardy     if you don't want to make this an engine contribution the only thing you can do is make it per main menu load and put it in a local
17:42 TalkLounge     It would be nice, if I can add a variable and add the password in there
17:42 TalkLounge     Because a variable you cant check without restart minetest
17:44 rubenwardy     we're free from the matrix spies!
17:45 sfan5          something something next-generation protocol
17:45 TalkLounge     I have tried to save the encryptionkey in the minetest/builtin/init.lua but that lua will be reset every time, if you connect to a server
17:45 sfan5          just save it into a text file
17:45 Krock          something something better, more reliable protocol ;)
17:46 TalkLounge     But how I delete the textfile, if I close minetest?
17:46 rubenwardy     you can't
17:46 TalkLounge     Is there some syntax for that?
17:46 sfan5          why do you want to store something in a text file only while mt is open?
17:46 Krock          ^ if you got to do that, it's unsafe anyway
17:47 Krock          the encryption, I mean
17:47 TalkLounge     Yes
17:47 TalkLounge     too
17:48 TalkLounge     The whole encryption is useless, if you save the encryptionpassword in a textfile
17:48 TalkLounge     Then I can save the passwords direct in the file
17:48 TalkLounge     You know waht I mean?
17:49 TalkLounge     what
17:50 TalkLounge     I know that encryption is never 100% save, but 25% encryption is even better then no encryption
17:50 Krock          > WPA2
17:50 TalkLounge     Thats the WLAN encryption
17:50 red-001        what encryption system are you using
17:51 red-001        TalkLounge, that was broken recently
17:51 sfan5          wpa2 wasn't broken
17:51 Krock          When you develop a secure Wireless encryption and somewhen you shoot yourself into the knees because the 3rd packet can be sent again to crack it
17:51 rubenwardy     just store it in a local variable, and require it to be entered each time the main menu is reloaded (preferably with a button rather than a forced dialog)
17:51 TalkLounge     Nice Idea
17:51 Krock          well, it's a protocol issue as much as I heard
17:52 TalkLounge     A onclick event on the mainmenu button on esc
17:52 TalkLounge     That should work I think
17:52 rubenwardy     ?
17:52 red-001        sfan5, a reply attack was found that can be used to decrypt traffic
17:53 sfan5          this is an implementation problem
17:53 red-001        it's not through
17:53 red-001        it's a design problem
17:53 sfan5          it does not make the protocol inherently unsaf
17:53 sfan5          e
17:54 TalkLounge     Yes if you click the mainmanu button at esc, then the variable where your encryptionkey is saved saved again in the variable
17:55 TalkLounge     You know what I mean?
17:55 TalkLounge     Its a good idea, if this work is a other question
17:56 TalkLounge     Someone other have any idea?
17:57 rubenwardy     not sure what you mean
17:59 TalkLounge     Another idea is, that I add a file, which destroy itselfs if the dont get a signal from a csm or something like that
17:59 red-001        why not hard code the key in the code? It would work about as well
17:59 TalkLounge     This is half save
17:59 TalkLounge     But it should work
17:59 rubenwardy     lol
18:00 TalkLounge     Then theres no enrcyption...
18:00 red-001        I mean there really isn't if you are storing the key on the harddrive with no protection
18:01 Krock          who says the HDD contents aren't encrypted?
18:01 red-001        Krock, moot point
18:04 sofar          just ask the player for their password every client start
18:04 sofar          bonus points if you make player profiles
18:06 TalkLounge     I will test the two options and if it work, I publish it on the forum
18:06 TalkLounge     Thanks for your ideas
18:06 TalkLounge     Bye
19:20 Ruslan1        Hello
19:20 * deltasquared waves
19:21 Ruslan1        I need help with mod
19:21 Ruslan1        ???
19:22 Ruslan1        deltasquared,
19:24 deltasquared   Ruslan1: don't ask to ask, just ask
19:28 Ruslan1        ?
19:46 Calinou        Ruslan1: ask about the actual problem with the mod
19:46 Calinou        which means, "don't ask to ask"
20:27 Ruslan1        Ok Calinou
20:28 Ruslan1        Bye
20:29 red-001        ....
20:44 Fixer          troll
23:33 Flairieve      Does the Minetest lua API have LuaJIT and FFI in it?
23:34 rubenwardy     that doesn't really make sense as a question
23:34 rubenwardy     Minetest can be compiled with LuaJIT