Time Nick Message 00:32 GreenDimond When I play servers, player skins have "seams" between the faces.. there is a gap. and there are outlines where faces are blank. I am using a dev build 5045bdc (the one before the playermodel Y-axis update). This hasnt happened until lately. I cant find anything that causes it. 00:32 GreenDimond I have tried turning off shaders, nothing. Turning off other stuff, nothing. 00:33 GreenDimond Even though I confirmed it doesnt happen in 0.4.16-stable, it hasnt happened before on this. 00:33 GreenDimond Which means there has to be something that is causing it in the settings. 00:40 BBmine Have you been using the same dev build the whole time? 00:48 GreenDimond Yes 01:04 swift110 hey GreenDimond 01:04 ThomasMonroe hey swift110 01:05 swift110 how are you ThomasMonroe 01:05 ThomasMonroe im good, and yourself? 01:06 swift110 im great 01:06 ThomasMonroe good 01:10 swift110 what ya up to ThomasMonroe 01:11 ThomasMonroe not much, writing a research paper on the history of the Chaos Theory 01:27 swift110 thats cool ThomasMonroe 01:28 swift110 im reading up on minetest so I can understand it better 01:39 ThomasMonroe swift110, nice 01:39 swift110 I wish it wasn't so complicated to install the tutorial 01:40 ThomasMonroe tutorial? 01:40 ThomasMonroe i didnt even know there was one XD 01:40 swift110 yoh goodness my point exactly 01:41 ThomasMonroe i kinda just learned from other people 01:43 swift110 ok 01:43 swift110 I just feel that the tutorial should be part of the default download 01:44 swift110 I really just shouldn't need instructions for a tutorial. 01:44 swift110 lol 01:49 ThomasMonroe lol 01:50 lumberJ swift110 did you get it running? 01:58 swift110 no lumberJ ill have to be back i must go for now 02:01 lumberJ ok, later 04:27 swift110 hey all 04:32 lumberJ wb sefit110, let me know if you want help installing that tutorial subgame 04:32 lumberJ swift110* 04:38 swift110 lumberJ, thanks 04:38 swift110 It quite late here so likely another time thanks again 04:39 lumberJ np 05:53 Muyfret hello. anyone into CSM? 05:58 nullawk CSM? 06:06 Muyfret client side modding 06:06 Muyfret i have a script. wondering if anyone could suggest speed improvements 06:17 Muyfret a csm can't ask make a server store custom meta data for a block can it 06:32 Muyfret what lua does minetest use 06:32 Muyfret lua version 07:09 Muyfret wow 07:09 Muyfret i did all that work only to find out bitwise exclusive or isn't supported 07:11 Muyfret but bits32.bxor worked 07:11 Muyfret just not 'a ~ b' 07:16 Muyfret nope. 07:18 Muyfret my feelings are now hurt. 13:12 MinetestBot 02[git] 04lhofhansl -> 03minetest/minetest: Do not grant all privs to the admin - changes game behavior (#6460) 13d386586 https://git.io/vdu5Y (152017-10-07T13:12:09Z) 13:12 MinetestBot 02[git] 04basicer -> 03minetest/minetest: Add setting for near plane distance. (#6395) 133c93a56 https://git.io/vdu5O (152017-10-07T13:11:48Z) 13:12 MinetestBot 02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Unkown nodes: Provide position on interact (#6505) 13f547452 https://git.io/vdu53 (152017-10-07T13:11:07Z) 13:15 MinetestBot 02[git] 04adrido -> 03minetest/minetest: Replace deprecated WINAPI GetVersionInfoEx (#6496) 13c830347 https://git.io/vdu54 (152017-10-07T13:13:13Z) 13:15 kavacha Does anyone know a minetest mod that allows us to script conversation with NPC? Something like Denizen in Minecraft 13:16 sfan5 there's some mods that provide NPC but nothing that advanced i'm afraid 13:17 kavacha Oh ok.. I was hoping there's already a mod for that. Thank you :) 13:19 Krock there are programmable robots, like this one https://github.com/HybridDog/simple_robots 13:19 Krock or this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11098 13:19 deltasquared for scripted discussions, I would imagine the core of it would be relatively straightforward, basically a decision tree of sorts. then there would be a) reading them from config, b) displaying them/presenting choices, and c) binding them to actions 13:20 kavacha Thanks Krock, I'll check it out 13:20 Krock kavacha, a quick search also gave me this one: (Lua programming) https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=15850 13:23 kavacha That basic_robot mod looks interesting, I spot the function to display the robot chat (self.label) 13:24 kavacha So I have to write the commands in Lua? 13:24 Krock I think so. never tested that mod 13:25 kavacha I never code Lua before haha.. 13:58 fireglow Elon_Satoshi: what a great name 14:00 deltasquared sounds like someone who would make a bitcoin empire in space 14:00 fireglow mining vast underground deposits of crypto on the moon 14:01 * deltasquared imagines conspiracy about a huge crypto cracking computer built beneath the moon's surface 14:24 fireglow VanessaE: do you plan to support dyes for xpanes? I need to get rid of xpanes_color :> 14:25 VanessaE I've no current plans for that. 14:26 fireglow dang 14:26 VanessaE does xpanes_color use the Unified Dyes API? 14:30 fireglow no, it's really outdated, with _4 and _5 as node name suffix 14:30 VanessaE then you'll have to adapt it accordingly. :) that's what one would need anyway - nothing in UD alters the default stuff, aside from expanding on the dyes themselves, so to make a mt_game mod use UD, you need to write an external mod to expand that mt_game mod. 14:30 fireglow !mod xpanes_color 14:30 MinetestBot fireglow: Could not find anything. 14:31 fireglow I really want to get rid of it and use as much default as possible 14:31 VanessaE can't be done :) 14:31 fireglow dye support for xpanes? 14:31 VanessaE if a mt_game mod doesn't support colors, you have to alter that mod, or write a mod that extends it 14:32 fireglow yes 14:55 fireglow I got a very diligent user on my server who documents all sorts of crafting issues, very handy 14:55 fireglow SO many issues with the cottages mod 14:56 deltasquared fireglow: do they open issues? 14:56 fireglow yes, there are open issues on the cottages mod 14:56 deltasquared should give them a cookie for their contribs to open source ;) 14:56 fireglow and no, he leaves all the gritty details to me ;) 14:56 deltasquared ... oh. right. :P 14:56 fireglow the issues are already known for the cottages mod 14:57 fireglow although I'm opening the odd yet-unreported issue on some mods 14:57 fireglow maybe I'll even get a pullreq going ;) 15:00 fireglow !mod wine 15:00 MinetestBot fireglow: Wine [wine] by TenPlus1 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13642 15:01 Krock it's not an emulator 15:06 deltasquared +1 Krock 15:07 Krock Congratulations, Krock. You got your first upvote. 15:07 deltasquared well it'd be an increment but I don't think there's a karma bot on here 15:13 rubenwardy ~karma Krock 15:13 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Krock has neutral karma. 15:13 rubenwardy Krock++ 15:13 rubenwardy ~karma Krock 15:13 ShadowBot rubenwardy: Karma for "Krock" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. 15:13 fireglow noice 15:13 fireglow sfan5++ 15:13 Krock that.. was really necessary? 15:13 deltasquared Krock++ 15:13 sfan5 of course ShadowBot has a plugin this useless 15:13 Krock C++ 15:13 deltasquared *shrug* 15:13 Krock ~karma C 15:13 ShadowBot Krock: Karma for "C" has been increased 7 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 6. 15:13 deltasquared sfan5: so does phrik on #archlinuk... roll with it I guess 15:13 fireglow !mod xdecor 15:13 MinetestBot fireglow: X-Decor [xdecor] by jp - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12534 15:14 fireglow enchanting a diamond armor with xdecor lowers its value 15:15 Krock there's enchanting in xdecor? o.o 15:15 fireglow yep 15:15 Krock ah I see. It's from a separate mod, bundled into xdecor 15:15 Krock or the other way.. only had the separate mod in my mind 15:16 fireglow right 15:16 Krock fireglow, well, that stuff is now on GitHub/minetest-mods, so PRs will likely be accepted 15:18 Krock with custom tool capabilities, it'll no longer be required to register this mass of additional tools like it's done there 15:24 fireglow ah, it's already reported: https://github.com/minetest-mods/xdecor/issues/81 15:26 Fixer 30 AUG 15:26 fireglow nice situation there in that issue 15:43 jas_ http://minetest.wiki.fc2.com/wiki/Mod%E5%90%8D%E9%91%91%20-%20Mob 15:44 jas_ !mod Mob Talker 15:44 MinetestBot jas_: Mob Talker for Minetest [mobtalker] by Rui - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12073 15:54 Muyfret is it possible to get a book from a block, and the book's text? 15:54 Muyfret CSM-only 15:56 rubenwardy if CSM has access to meta, then yes 16:55 Hijiri do items have private meta, or is that only for nodes? 16:55 Krock everything that has meta 16:55 Hijiri looking at docs I think just nodes 16:56 Hijiri It's listed under NodeMetaRef methods though 16:56 Hijiri or maybe being in non-nodes is newer than 0.4.16, since thsoe are the docs I'm looking at 16:56 MinetestBot 02[git] 04lhofhansl -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Creative: Do not give creative priv to admin 1312a9716 https://git.io/vdzvw (152017-10-07T16:48:18Z) 16:57 Krock Hijiri, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L3344 16:58 Krock oh I see 16:58 Krock four hashtags. Then it's only for nodes 16:59 Krock having it for all meta would be more helpful 18:03 ThomasMonroe nore, are you on? 19:27 Gael-de-Sailly Hi there 19:43 Fixer hii 19:57 Gael-de-Sailly I don't understand what consumes so much RAM in Ubuntu 16.04 19:58 fireglow oh, I know, I know: Ubuntu 16.04 20:10 Gael-de-Sailly My computer has 1.8 Go RAM, it was enough for my use with Ubuntu 14 but with 16 it's just exploded 20:10 Gael-de-Sailly With MT aunched : full RAM, swap ~60% 20:11 fireglow dang :s 20:12 Gael-de-Sailly *launched 20:14 fireglow install htop and sort by RES MEM 20:15 Gael-de-Sailly does it show the same list than system monitor? 20:15 Calinou Gael-de-Sailly: use a lighter desktop environment, switch to Xfce or LXDE 20:16 Calinou GNOME/Unity/KDE aren't designed to be light on the RAM 20:16 Calinou it doesn't matter with modern hardware, but it does if you have < 6 GB of RAM 20:16 fireglow oh yeah, probably 20:18 Fixer Gael-de-Sailly: it is problem with your b r o w s e r (probably*) 20:18 Gael-de-Sailly with the list given by monitor system, the sum of ram used by each program is 1Go below the real used ram 20:19 Gael-de-Sailly No Firefox is using around 300 Mo now 20:19 Gael-de-Sailly that's a lot, but is not enough to explain this 20:23 Calinou by the way, in English we say MB/GB, not Mo/Go :) 20:23 Gael-de-Sailly I know that Unity is not made to be light, but the difference is so huge between 14 and 16 20:24 Gael-de-Sailly Calinou : thank you, I forgot this :) 20:26 Gael-de-Sailly i've never used another environment than Unity 20:27 o11c (because screw non-8-bit bytes) 20:27 o11c Calinou: most systems have <= 4 GB of RAM, and often video RAM cuts into that 20:29 o11c Gael-de-Sailly: FWIW I use xubuntu on light systems, and KDE on other systems ... firefox or chromium is more costly than the DE, so avoid those entirely on light systems 20:31 o11c Gael-de-Sailly: in general, there are 3 things that use RAM: processes, tmpfs, and kernel (which is in turn composed of disk cache, I/O buffers, graphics memory, ...) 20:32 Gael-de-Sailly so the only way to optimize it is to switch to another environment 20:32 o11c Gael-de-Sailly: if processes are swapping, or even if disk cache is getting eaten because of too many processes/tmpfs, your performance will suck 20:32 o11c not necessarily 20:32 o11c first run `df` and make sure you aren't having big tmpfs 20:33 o11c then run `top`, press `f`, select REST and press `s` then `q` 20:34 o11c (though I admit htop is nicer, top will do just fine) 20:34 Gael-de-Sailly tmpfs : used 6120 K 20:36 o11c `free -tm` gives a nice summary ... it's a pity `-tg` doesn't do fractions 20:37 Calinou Calinou: most systems have <= 4 GB of RAM, and often video RAM cuts into that 20:37 Calinou that's not true, if you have a dedicated GPU, it has its own memory :P 20:37 Calinou also, most modern machines have at least 8 GB of RAM, sometimes 6 GB 20:37 Calinou I wouldn't use a computer with only 4 GB of RAM in 2017 20:37 o11c even dedicated GPUs often use system RAM 20:37 Gael-de-Sailly most but not all, I can say it 20:37 o11c it turns out it's faster than copying everything 20:37 Calinou and avoiding Firefox/Chromium is not really doable 20:38 Calinou (thanks to all the lightweight browsers falling behind in supporting modern websites) 20:38 * twoelk tries to hide his 2GB RAM machines 20:38 Calinou the computer I use with the lowest amount of RAM is my phone, it has 4 GB :P 20:38 o11c I think I still have a 256MB somewhere 20:38 o11c maybe 512 though 20:38 * fireglow installs systemd on twoelks machine 20:39 o11c fireglow: ??? 20:39 fireglow hello 20:39 o11c systemd doesn't eat RAM at all 20:39 twoelk hm, if iplug my laptop into my desktop i might have 4GB :-D 20:40 fireglow :> 20:40 fireglow o11c: yeah it does 20:41 Gael-de-Sailly the laptop on which I'm now has 1.8 GB ram and is only 2 years old 20:41 Fixer Calinou: i've used 768MB machine in 2017 20:41 Fixer *a little 20:41 o11c even journald, the most expensive part of systemd, is only 20MB 20:41 o11c fireglow: so citation needed 20:42 fireglow https://twitter.com/KawausoDashi/status/914402349254369280 20:43 o11c so ... someone configured journald to keep everything in RAM, and wondered why it used more RAM? Not interesting. 20:43 o11c my /var/log/journal/ is 1.1GB 20:43 o11c but that's several boots 20:44 fireglow thanks for the info 20:44 fireglow I shall make a note of it! ^_^ 20:48 nullawk Gael-de-Sailly: enable low graphics mode using Compiz Configuration Manager, or I second Calinous recommendation to use XFCE, which is my favorite DE for the last decade now. Even will a bunch of plugins running <100MB 20:48 swift110 hey nullawk 20:48 nullawk XD howdy swift110 20:49 nullawk Gael-de-Sailly: Especially on a system with <2g 20:50 Gael-de-Sailly thank you but is it easy to switch to another desktop environment? 20:50 Calinou Xfce is nice, but it doesn't support modern use cases well (like hiDPI), and it's barely maintained (the last significant release was in 2015) 20:50 Calinou Gael-de-Sailly: try installing the "xubuntu-desktop" package 20:51 Calinou check the packages it wants to install/remove, before accepting! 20:51 Calinou you don't want it to remove your libc or something :) 20:51 Gael-de-Sailly and... that's all? 20:51 Calinou https://doc.ubuntu-fr.org/migration_vers_xubuntu 20:51 Calinou there's some French docs here ^ 20:51 Calinou the best way is to reinstall the OS entirely, installing Xubuntu instead of Ubuntu 20:51 Calinou granted, it takes a lot of time, but migrating manually will give a less-than-perfect result 20:52 Calinou Gael-de-Sailly: xubuntu-desktop is a metapackage which installs all the Xubuntu-related packages, so it should work 20:52 Calinou base Xfce, Xfce goodies, Xubuntu theming, etc 20:52 Gael-de-Sailly I already got some problems when i migrated from 14 to 16 on august 1st 20:53 Gael-de-Sailly I'd like to avoid reinstalling the OS if possible 20:53 nullawk http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/xfce sums it up nicely 20:54 Gael-de-Sailly thank you 20:54 Gael-de-Sailly it works the same way for other environments? 20:55 nullawk mostly. 20:56 nullawk Though I would avoid haphazardly adding DEs as they often install a bunch of programs along with them (Stupid KDE). 20:57 Gael-de-Sailly obviously 20:57 Gael-de-Sailly that's heavy programs 20:57 nullawk Gael-de-Sailly: Wasn't to me when I first started DE hopping 21:07 Elvis1504 Hi 21:08 Out`Of`Control hi 21:08 Elvis1504 Are you evil? 21:08 Elvis1504 Hah 21:10 Out`Of`Control Elvis1504: yes 21:14 swift110 how are you nullawk 21:18 nullawk Good good, on a little vacation at the family ranch, just spent the morning/afternoon painting the porch with lead encapsulate for the kiddos about to have lunch. How about yourself swift110 21:25 swift110 thats nice 21:25 swift110 nullawk, just about to get a new hdd 21:45 Elvis1504 Well 21:51 Elvis1504 Out of control 21:51 fireglow well well well 21:51 Elvis1504 Hah 21:51 Out`Of`Control ? 21:52 Elvis1504 I need help in mr, where I can find some good blue flowers? Hahaha 23:41 MinetestBot 02[git] 04DS-Minetest -> 03minetest-mods/mesecons: Improve rules and rule handling (#370) 1337eb7f0 https://git.io/vdzWX (152017-10-07T23:39:02Z)