Time  Nick         Message
00:24 jas_         hi
00:32 jas_         np: https://youtu.be/clAJ8mufzJ0 <-- lightning bolt - ride the skies - 2001 lp
00:57 jas_         !mod ignore
00:57 MinetestBot  jas_: Ignore list manager [ignore] by Mg - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13993
01:24 jas_         i saw lightning bolt live and it was sooo goood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JpHoAnaPK0
01:25 jas_         (they play in the middle of the mosh pit muaha)
08:13 sare_at_work Hi, does anyone knows how the digistuff:touchscreen works?
08:27 swift110     hey all
08:27 jas_         greetings
08:30 swift110     how ar eyou jas_
08:30 jas_         good thanks for askin, how are you?
08:31 swift110     im good jas_ what ya up to
08:31 jas_         ohh not much, compiling nerzhul's minetest with builtin asio, gonna test that
08:32 jas_         what are you up to?
08:32 swift110     nice
08:33 swift110     what is that jas_
08:33 swift110     jas_, listening to an old linux podcast
08:33 jas_         i'll show you, it's a network rewrite incoming for minetest
08:33 jas_         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/6485
12:07 sovetskiy    hello everybody
12:09 Wuzzy        hint: nobody can't help you if you don't ask your question
12:10 Wuzzy        it's nothing personal. i just need a break from MT. don't be mad at me
12:15 sovetskiy    Wuzzy, I already broke from MT forever -- "thanks" to celeron-55, who banned me. But thank you for advice.
12:16 sovetskiy    I would like to know which side of node (top, bottom, left, right, front, back) I punched while punching some node
12:18 sfan5        i can't remember the last time c55 banned anymore, you sure must be unforgiving
12:19 sfan5        regarding the question: there's no built-in function to do that but you might be able to get it by examining the look direction of the player during punch
12:19 sfan5        s/anymore/anyone/
12:21 sovetskiy    then you don't know c55, because I and azekill were banned
12:22 sovetskiy    ok, I already thought about camera vector
12:24 sovetskiy    player:get_look_dir() — returns the camera direction as a unit vector. But what about camera position? Where can I take it?
12:24 sfan5        vector.add(player:getpos(), {x=0, y=2, z=0}) should come pretty close to the camera pos
12:26 sovetskiy    player:getpos() -- position under palyer feet?
12:28 sfan5        yes
12:29 sovetskiy    ok, another question. I look all the time at the center of screen where crosshair is. Can I convert 2D coordinates of screen to 3D point in MT world?
12:30 sfan5        not really
13:04 Krock        doing some mathematical complicated shit with fov and depth calculation, this would be somehow possible manually. If you want to implement this in a mod, I'd however recommend using the Raycast object
13:04 Krock        ^ sovetskiy
13:56 swift110_    hey Krock long time no speak
13:56 Krock        hey swift110_
13:57 swift110_    how are you Krock
13:58 Krock        fine, thanks. How are you?
13:58 swift110_    im great
13:59 swift110_    miss having you in my channel
14:00 Krock        well, I wasn't active there anyway
14:04 itbeterbeme  Hello
14:29 swift110     Well, you are welcome to return at anytime.
14:30 swift110     I have a few folks that have Minetest servers there so it would help to encourage it even further to have your presence
14:38 swift110     hey Preuk
14:38 swift110     hey proller
15:56 itbeterbeme  cpp does not have maven like dependency management? :/
15:59 sfan5        would be terrible if it had
15:59 itbeterbeme  I would like to practice cpp around MT but hell, set-up'ing such project on eclipse cdt isn't looks easy task. For java its like import maven project > done.
15:59 sfan5        try googling "cmake c++ eclipse"
15:59 itbeterbeme  all thirdparty libs are download and build automaticly
16:06 Krock        works fine here by calling cmake once and starting eclipse in the source directory..
16:24 red-001      eclispe isn't a great IDE tbh
16:25 red-001      it works through so I can't complain
16:25 ThomasMonroe well at least itsbetter than netbeans
16:26 red-001      MSVC is pretty good when it's not forgetting where the standard lib headers are
16:27 ThomasMonroe heh true
16:28 ThomasMonroe but it doesnt work on linux im assuming
16:28 red-001      I would assume so
16:28 red-001      it might work under win
16:28 red-001      wine*
16:29 red-001      I haven't check cause it's like 10 gigabytes for a normal install
16:31 ThomasMonroe maybe
16:36 Krock        MSVC 2010 was about 2 GiB.. duh
16:36 itbeterbeme  so on windows you download bunch of dll manually and add them to path, sounds like stone-age :/
16:38 red-001      there is a reason 96% of minetets builds for windows are cross compiled
16:38 Krock        on Windows you copy dlls, on Linux appimages if you want to make it half-way portable
16:38 Krock        red-001, right now it's rather 99%
16:39 red-001      I assume there are some builders we don't know about
16:39 red-001      otherwise it would be like 100%
16:39 red-001      my assumptions could be way off
16:40 Krock        if you want to build on Windows, there will be problems, which leads to questions. Questions which can get answered here sometimes. Getting almost no questions in regard to this makes me believe that it either works (almost unbelievable) or nobody tries
16:40 Krock        but sure, thanks to Addi this could change soon :)
16:42 twoelk       seems compiling on windows is not meant for the casual fooling around with code - the way ms and as it seems some of the browser companies are handling it at the moment they only want professionals or the very detirmed to create programs or apps as they are called now
16:42 itbeterbeme  minetest dev wiki under windows compilation section mentions libs, but not versions if its important which illrich verions for example i download or just grab latest?
16:42 red-001      not really
16:42 red-001      just minetest doesn't care about it
16:42 red-001      so it's a pain to compile it for windows
16:43 red-001      itbeterbeme, what version of windows do you use?
16:43 itbeterbeme  windows10
16:44 Krock        Irrlicht 1.8.1 if you want Direct3D8 support, anything newer if you want better key input
16:44 red-001      just compile in the intergrated linux enviroment
16:45 red-001      I reckon you would be able to get a cross compiler working in it without much difficulty
16:45 red-001      they aren't the kernal level or graphical stuff that it struggles with
16:46 sfan5        itbeterbeme: which compiler do you plan to use
16:47 itbeterbeme  sfan5, anything which runs, I'm not very picky at this moment, eclipse currently for minGW GCC
16:48 sfan5        then you can download pre-compiled libraries for either 32-bit or 64-bit
16:48 sfan5        since the buildbot (cross-compiling linux -> windows) is also mingw
16:49 red-001      wb behalebabo
16:49 sfan5        itbeterbeme: you can see where it downloads those here https://travis-ci.org/minetest/minetest/jobs/282417150#L3913
16:52 wasv         Hello, I've been looking for a project to contribute to during Hacktoberfest. I've been planning to get involved in minetest for a while, and I feel like this would be a good time to start. I have experience with OpenGL and C++, I'm wondering if someone could point me to a good issue/feature to start on.
16:53 wasv         I've scrolled through the issues on GitHub for a while, but I haven't found any that seem approachable.
16:54 fwhcat       hi
16:55 red-001      wasv, just work on something you would like to see implemented
16:56 red-001      if you are experinced with opengl you might want to take a look at improving shaders
16:56 sfan5        wasv: something to note is that (except for shaders) minetest does not work directly with opengl but rather lets Irrlicht handle everything
16:59 wasv         Hmm. Okay. I'll look into Irrlicht too then. I haven't actually played minetest yet, I'm more interested in the coding side. I'll take a look at the shaders though.
17:02 red-001      oh btw webchat is blocked on -dev
17:03 red-001      so you might want to get an irc client
17:05 wasv         I have one on my laptop, I just happened to be between classes on my chromebook.
17:06 wasv         The post-processing feature request sounds interesting, but it seems rather large for a first contribution.
17:07 sfan5        i'm pretty sure someone had opened a PR for that already
17:08 wasv         One other than https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3623?
17:09 sfan5        that's the one
17:10 wasv         That one was closed around a month ago it seems. Although I found one from June that is still open. https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5913
17:11 wasv         So I think I'll need to look into another issue.
17:11 red-001      well you can try to continue RBA's work
17:12 wasv         brb, switching to a real IRC client.
17:14 red-001      you might want to at least take a look through RBA's github, I think he was prepering things needed to implemenet hardware lighting
17:27 Flitzpiepe   Hello everyone
17:27 Flitzpiepe   How to find out the coords of the map-blocks at a minetest-server?
17:28 ThomasMonroe hey Flitz
17:28 Flitzpiepe   Hi Thomas :)
17:28 ThomasMonroe try pressing f5
17:28 ThomasMonroe that shows the debug info
17:29 Flitzpiepe   ok and which of all these numbers can tell me the map-block I'm in?
17:30 ThomasMonroe the second line is the X Y Z
17:30 ThomasMonroe Y is up
17:31 Flitzpiepe   Ok so I know my coods. how to get the coors of the map-block I'm in?
17:31 sfan5        divide each of them by 16
17:31 Krock        divide by the mapblocksize (16)
17:31 Krock        eeks. ninjas.
17:32 Krock        or if you want to investigate the database index, it'll be encoded in a different way: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/database.cpp#L59
17:32 Flitzpiepe   so if the map-block-size is 16 then the first mapblock starts at (0,0,0) and ends at (15,15,15) ?
17:32 Krock        yes
17:32 Flitzpiepe   ok, thank you very much :)
17:32 Krock        !next
17:32 MinetestBot  Another satisfied customer. Next!
17:33 Flitzpiepe   and when I want to use World-anchor then my machine must not use more than 1 single map-block - is that true?
17:33 sfan5        world-what
17:34 Flitzpiepe   the nodes that make machines working even if noone is next to it
17:35 sfan5        oh those must be part of the technic modpack
17:35 sfan5        pretty sure you can configure their range
17:35 sfan5        even if not you can just place multiple
17:37 Flitzpiepe   My proble is: I built some machines and I cannot place the world-anchor node at these areas. and there are positions where is can place it and others where I can't. And I try to find out on what this depends.
17:37 Flitzpiepe   (oh I hope you can understand what I wrote)
17:37 Flitzpiepe   *problem
17:38 Flitzpiepe   *it
17:38 Flitzpiepe   *I
17:38 Flitzpiepe   tsorry
17:39 sfan5        the easiest way to answer that would be to read the source code
17:40 Flitzpiepe   where to find it?
17:40 Flitzpiepe   is it coded in lua or in c++?
17:40 sfan5        lua
17:40 Flitzpiepe   ok
17:42 Flitzpiepe   can you post a link of the source code?
17:42 Flitzpiepe   *please?
17:43 robot4243    what is state of client side mods api? is it worth start using it, seems lots of rejection in forum so im unsure?
17:46 Flitzpiepe   what does "mods api" mean?
18:58 jas_         can't talk without having voice in -hub, i don't understaaaaand
18:59 sofar        register nick?
18:59 sofar        then ask for auto voice
18:59 jas_         it's registered and i'm identified
18:59 jas_         i did
18:59 jas_         and again
18:59 jas_         i'll ask you now
18:59 jas_         will you be so kind to give me voice automatically?
18:59 Krock        once voiced, always voiced
19:00 jas_         i dunno maybe because i'm using /msg nickserv identify ?
19:00 Shara        jas_: I can help :)
19:00 jas_         ok
19:00 Krock        doesn't matter. just join again and someone will give you voice
19:00 jas_         thanks sofar :D
19:15 wasv         sfan5: Sorry about the delay. WiFi troubles and classes. Back now. You had mentioned someone named RBA?
19:15 sfan5        have I?
19:15 sfan5        that's the guy who made the initial version of the postprocessing pr
19:16 red-001      jas_, set up sasl
19:16 red-001      then you will be auto logged in
19:16 jas_         ye i keep meaning to.  one of these days.  i'm using an autocommand
19:17 jas_         https://www.weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.en.html#irc_sasl_authentication <-- oh neat, i'll just do it now heh
19:22 deltasquared question, for the purposes of reading in lua source (say with i18n messages in), what encoding is used?
19:22 deltasquared please don't say it's the environment default...
19:22 sfan5        purposes of reading what?
19:23 deltasquared sfan5: mod lua files
19:23 deltasquared I would *assume* if it's sane it would assume UTF-8
19:24 deltasquared else, it makes encoding unicode chars in source files a mild pain
19:24 sfan5        pretty sure lua treats it as ascii
19:24 deltasquared (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
19:24 Krock        there are no unicode strings in lua. just byte arrays
19:24 sfan5        which doesn't mean that it will mangle utf-8
19:25 deltasquared alright, what about for the purposes of in-game text display? is an encoding configured for freetype or is that left to the default as well?
19:26 Fixer        ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)
19:26 deltasquared Fixer: you guys putting the table back follow me everywhere... first #archlinux-offtopic and now mumble mumble...
19:26 Krock        return ("(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻"):len()   -> 28
19:27 deltasquared Krock: see thing is, if lua "doesn't care" then I could write unicode stuff in UTF-8 and it'd get mangled when it's output again, in say the MT log
19:27 deltasquared sure MT itself wouldn't, but it means suddenly I have to care about the target system encoding
19:27 Krock        meanwhile putting back the table only takes 26 bytes
19:28 deltasquared ,if the *core* would treat lua's byte array strings as UTF-8 at least for the purposes of text display in-game at least, that'd be workable.
19:29 deltasquared I'd imagine the network protocol would use either that or another portable encoding and translate as necessary
19:29 Krock        unicode is based on ascii, so checking against the upper bits will allow you some control over unicode in Lua
19:30 deltasquared Krock: I don't really care much about *detecting* it from lua itself, I'm just caring about the possibility of writing multilingual strings without worrying about the target system's locale.
19:30 deltasquared so, again, I would like to think there is some kind of conversion internally, if not inside lua, then in the engine...
19:31 deltasquared put another way, if I write a UTF-8 multibyte string in a lua source file, I expect MT to be able to output it correctly on any given system *such that it displays as expected*, and I would imagine end users would too
19:32 Krock        "without worrying about the target system's locale." and then comes a windows user
19:32 deltasquared Krock: ... with their codepage locales. I fecking know.
19:33 deltasquared personally I would have said "get an editor which can handle UTF-8" and perhaps output UTF-16 when run on a windows console.
19:34 deltasquared surely freetype at least could handle it portably for in-game stuff... just tell it to assume everything passed is UTF-8
19:36 sfan5        deltasquared: lua does not really care about encodings but mt internal stuff is utf8
19:36 sfan5        so just use utf8 in your .lua files
19:36 deltasquared sfan5: ok, fair enough. though dare I ask about the adformentioned windows situation
19:36 sfan5        utf8 is the only sane choice anyway
19:36 deltasquared indeed.
19:37 deltasquared I'm not going to lie I was restraining myself from a nice long rant there :P