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00:06 |
Natechip |
anyone compiled minetest with cmake on windows? |
00:09 |
ThomasMonroe |
Xd having problems? |
00:12 |
Natechip |
ThomasMonroe... X |
00:12 |
Natechip |
XD |
00:12 |
ThomasMonroe |
did you follow the instructions to the tee like i told you? |
00:13 |
ThomasMonroe |
i actually havent need to compile on Windows.....yet |
00:13 |
ThomasMonroe |
so i wouldnt know whether or not those actually work XD |
00:14 |
Natechip |
mehhh... they dont |
00:16 |
Natechip |
ThomasMonroe: "This section is outdated. In addition to what is described here" |
00:18 |
ThomasMonroe |
:/ sorry |
00:18 |
ThomasMonroe |
try asking on -dev or -hub |
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Taose |
or get a linux? |
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swift110 |
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11:24 |
emperormicah |
hey |
11:25 |
emperormicah |
does anyone know where i can find the lua source for the /grant /grantme /revoke commands |
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sfan5 |
emperormicah: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/game/chatcommands.lua#L106 |
11:35 |
emperormicah |
thanks man :) |
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emperormicah |
@sfan5 how do I access the 'core' from a mod? |
11:41 |
sfan5 |
core is just another name for "minetest" |
11:42 |
emperormicah |
oh so i can access it from the normal environment in a mod |
11:42 |
sfan5 |
yes |
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emperormicah |
I'm getting an error indexing core.settings, it is appearing as a nil value |
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11:48 |
Krock |
update your minetest version then |
11:48 |
jordan4ibanez |
I'm getting "Bus error (core dumped)" when trying to start the game |
11:48 |
jordan4ibanez |
"Couldn't find a locale directory" |
11:48 |
sfan5 |
self-compiled or distro package? |
11:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
Arch linux from the repos |
11:49 |
sfan5 |
also that isn't a fatal error, gdb would help |
11:49 |
jordan4ibanez |
sfan5, how would I go about gdb? "gdb minetest" I'm guessing? |
11:50 |
sfan5 |
ye |
11:50 |
sfan5 |
then "r" and when it crashes "bt |
11:50 |
sfan5 |
" |
11:53 |
jordan4ibanez |
https://pastebin.com/raw/NME2Tkq6 |
11:53 |
jordan4ibanez |
Science stuff right there |
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jordan4ibanez |
Running nvidia 384.90 on a gt730 |
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11:59 |
sfan5 |
your graphics driver might be broken |
11:59 |
sfan5 |
have you tried turning it off and on again |
11:59 |
jordan4ibanez |
It's running fine, I just got done playing sauerbraten and serious sam so it's working in 64 and 32 bit, I'm stumped |
12:00 |
sfan5 |
nvidia 384.69-2 with a gtx950 here and everything works fine |
12:00 |
sfan5 |
try compiling mt from source perhaps |
12:01 |
deltasquared |
jordan4ibanez: arch linux huh? I'm usually hiding on #archlinux, let's see now |
12:02 |
jordan4ibanez |
I will do that now, and deltasquared, I tried turning it off and on again hahaha |
12:02 |
deltasquared |
"Bus error" usually means that a program has incorrectly accessed memory relating to a mapping that has changed size. |
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deltasquared |
it's distinct from a segfault in that it can occur with mmap'd stuff, like for example graphics buffers |
12:03 |
deltasquared |
so, the fact that your stack trace points out libnvidia-glcore would suggest you've hit a driver bug |
12:03 |
deltasquared |
jordan4ibanez: so all that said, I would think that the "bus error" is not related ;) |
12:04 |
jordan4ibanez |
deltasquared, yeah I'm still trying to get everything worked out, now I have pamac giving me invalid packages etc etc etc |
12:06 |
deltasquared |
jordan4ibanez: just out of interest, did #archlinux direct you here? |
12:06 |
deltasquared |
... |
12:06 |
deltasquared |
sfan5: they never stick around *facepalm* |
12:07 |
deltasquared |
welcome to my life on #archlinux |
12:07 |
sfan5 |
j4i should know better |
12:07 |
sfan5 |
probably just rebooting |
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12:09 |
Taose |
>.> |
12:09 |
Taose |
Damned archlinux |
12:09 |
Taose |
why can't everyone just use Debian |
12:09 |
sfan5 |
ï½ï½•ï½”dï½ï½”ed sï½ï½†ï½”ï½—ï½ï½’ï½… |
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12:10 |
Taose |
yet allegedly, it doesn't actually break down that often |
12:10 |
deltasquared |
Taose: my arch install hasn't blown up in 3 years. |
12:10 |
sfan5 |
it doesn't actually |
12:10 |
sfan5 |
however just yesterday the update to linux 4.13 broke usb3.0 on my machine |
12:11 |
Taose |
o.O |
12:11 |
deltasquared |
wat |
12:11 |
* deltasquared |
tests |
12:11 |
sfan5 |
and then when downgrading linux i forgot to downgrade the lib32 package for nvidia which made me wonder for hours why steam wouldn't start up |
12:11 |
sfan5 |
;_; |
12:11 |
Taose |
ah yes Nvidia |
12:11 |
deltasquared |
steam, nvidia... you're got quite the handful there |
12:11 |
Taose |
the worst graphic card to use for linux |
12:11 |
sfan5 |
best* |
12:11 |
Taose |
pfft |
12:11 |
deltasquared |
if you can get it working, sure... |
12:11 |
sfan5 |
apparently fcitx has a clipboard manager on ctrl+shift+, 🤔 |
12:12 |
Taose |
I've always found Radeon to to be the more stable |
12:12 |
Taose |
(stability for me is more valuable) |
12:12 |
deltasquared |
intel GPU is pretty good for stability, though for actual gaming use it's a bit anemic. |
12:12 |
Taose |
Which is why I prefer Minetest over Terasology |
12:13 |
deltasquared |
Terasology... I distinctly remember a *lot* of shader effects |
12:13 |
Taose |
Graphically it was very nice, but it's built on Java |
12:13 |
deltasquared |
eww |
12:13 |
Taose |
exactly |
12:14 |
deltasquared |
GC pauses do not belong in a game thanks :P |
12:14 |
deltasquared |
that said, I wonder how often MT has to lua GC internally |
12:14 |
deltasquared |
I haven't seen anything in the profiler to track it |
12:14 |
Taose |
Mod idea... |
12:14 |
Taose |
Sitting benches |
12:14 |
Taose |
or do we have those? |
12:14 |
* Taose |
checks |
12:15 |
deltasquared |
I seem to remember having seating of some description |
12:15 |
deltasquared |
*shrug* |
12:15 |
deltasquared |
my brain is unable to process how that would work right now |
12:15 |
sfan5 |
!mod bench |
12:15 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Workbench - 3x3 4x4 5x5 [workbench] by cornernote - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3275 |
12:15 |
sfan5 |
!mod benches |
12:15 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: Could not find anything. |
12:15 |
sfan5 |
hmm no |
12:15 |
deltasquared |
workbench? that looks cool anyway |
12:16 |
deltasquared |
man, I love just being able to git clone something when I want a litle thing here and there |
12:16 |
Taose |
I'm sure there's something, it's probably tied into another mod |
12:16 |
Taose |
Me too! |
12:16 |
deltasquared |
hah, apparently you can use minetest.register_craft just fine with 4x4 recipes or beyond, you'll just need a bigger grid |
12:17 |
Taose |
yep |
12:17 |
deltasquared |
I'm pleasantly suprised that just works |
12:17 |
Taose |
Though I wouldn't advise much over a 6x6 |
12:18 |
deltasquared |
raw.githubusercontent.com appears to still be borked by my ISP |
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12:19 |
deltasquared |
jordan4ibanez: any luck yet? |
12:20 |
jordan4ibanez |
deltasquared, Right now I'm trying to learn to regenerate my fstab to auto mount my usb as swap, I did it, but now I have a whole bunch of duplication warnings on boot |
12:20 |
jordan4ibanez |
Also minetest starts |
12:21 |
sfan5 |
sound like you're having fun ;) |
12:22 |
Taose |
Or at least he will be after he installs all the appropriate mods |
12:23 |
jordan4ibanez |
sfan5, https://i.imgur.com/6MjfKgu.jpg I got it looking pretty but I just gotta get the hang of it after being on debian for 2 years bleh |
12:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
I could release it as a distro and then get sd'd by apple hahaha |
12:24 |
sfan5 |
is that xfce? |
12:24 |
deltasquared |
jordan4ibanez: "auto mount as swap" that's a bit mangled, I'd refer to #archlinux with help if you need it |
12:24 |
jordan4ibanez |
Lxde |
12:25 |
sfan5 |
do you need it to be *that* light on resources? :P |
12:25 |
Taose |
O.o a dabber in the Darch Arts? |
12:25 |
deltasquared |
well personally I always say that if I'm not looking at it I don't expect it to take any resources if possible |
12:25 |
jordan4ibanez |
Yes, amd 3 core, 4gb ddr2, gt730, it's poop |
12:25 |
sfan5 |
xfce should run fine on anything that's not from 2009 |
12:26 |
jordan4ibanez |
I need MOAR resources yo |
12:26 |
* deltasquared |
sits here with a tiling WM and no visible UI elements at all |
12:27 |
deltasquared |
3 xorg sessions, minetest running idle in one, few terminals, hexchat... 900MB RAM. I think I'm good :P |
12:27 |
deltasquared |
though, I suspect this is starting to become a "I raise you X MB" contest |
12:28 |
sfan5 |
jordan4ibanez: https://i.imgur.com/xl3npLm.png ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
12:28 |
jordan4ibanez |
I'm gonna take out the ram and wire in 15mb of dram |
12:28 |
sfan5 |
1.7GiB ram use at present |
12:28 |
jordan4ibanez |
Yay boobs |
12:29 |
sfan5 |
:P |
12:29 |
deltasquared |
do I see... HERESY! |
12:29 |
sfan5 |
ï½ï½’ï½” |
12:29 |
jordan4ibanez |
1.43gb with 7 tabs in google chrome and compiling peazip yo |
12:29 |
deltasquared |
sfan5: the other block game, how dare you :P |
12:30 |
sfan5 |
deltasquared: i barely play it |
12:30 |
sfan5 |
haven't touched it in months |
12:30 |
deltasquared |
always cool to, uh, "borrow" ideas from though maybe? |
12:30 |
deltasquared |
hmm. |
12:30 |
deltasquared |
speaking of ideas, implementing multipart blocks using entities... hmm |
12:31 |
deltasquared |
sfan5: I'm thinking of forge multipart in particular. I suspect that putting such a thing in the engine would be *waaaay* to complex |
12:31 |
sfan5 |
idk how that works never heard of it |
12:32 |
deltasquared |
sfan5: multiple "things" can be occupy a block space, say multiple torches. or project:red wires, for instance |
12:32 |
sfan5 |
sounds fancy |
12:32 |
deltasquared |
if MT had such a thing, for example, the moreblocks panels etc. could share a space |
12:32 |
deltasquared |
no idea how one would give it node sounds though, among many other caveats. |
12:33 |
jordan4ibanez |
sfan5, is mesecons outdated af? |
12:33 |
sfan5 |
not it still works |
12:33 |
sfan5 |
development has been slow but it's not like there's anything to replace it |
12:33 |
jordan4ibanez |
Well still works and being optimized hmmmmmm |
12:34 |
jordan4ibanez |
I'mma give it a try and probably fail woooo |
12:34 |
deltasquared |
sfan5: I've looked into mesecons and my head hurted. I don't think it's going to be replaced by some upstart anytime soon :P |
12:34 |
deltasquared |
ActionQueue... oh dear |
12:35 |
deltasquared |
I'll say one thing though, if I ever had to do something like that, I'd be bringing along a certain red-coloured ore from the other game ;) |
12:37 |
Taose |
Who even plays minecraft nowadays |
12:38 |
Taose |
They must have not have heard of minetest |
12:39 |
deltasquared |
I've been trying to encourage my brother to play MT. he was rebuilding an old house from memory, he wasn't really doing anything that required MC in particular (bar perhaps textures) |
12:39 |
Taose |
:) |
12:39 |
deltasquared |
younger relatives too, but alas MC is the "cool thing" the kids want to play it seems |
12:40 |
Taose |
XD |
12:40 |
deltasquared |
it's not a case of they want to play a block game, they want to play *minecraft* with all it's context so they can talk/waste time over it etc. |
12:43 |
Taose |
ah |
12:43 |
Taose |
I think half of it is more to do with their friends not being there |
12:43 |
deltasquared |
that too, the network effect etc. |
12:45 |
Taose |
Do we have an NPC mod that allows NPCs to be programmed in game? I.e place a "person" crafted from Feathers and Honey then being able to select options in an ingame menu? |
12:45 |
Taose |
(Nothing to complex just a few inbuilt scripts) |
12:46 |
deltasquared |
Taose: I dunno about programmability, though I did consider writing a lib to produce a fake player object that would try to "look" as convincing as possible |
12:47 |
deltasquared |
that said, it would be a table, not a userdata, so if you looked closely enough, it'd fall down |
12:47 |
Taose |
keke |
12:47 |
Taose |
I'm just thinking about easy routes to make interact-able stuff |
12:48 |
Taose |
I'm building a village and have almost gotten to the stage where I want to start populating it. |
12:48 |
deltasquared |
do me a favour, don't make them squidwards |
12:49 |
deltasquared |
for the love of god |
12:49 |
deltasquared |
no more "hmm"s |
12:49 |
Taose |
? |
12:50 |
deltasquared |
Taose: I'm referring to the MC villagers |
12:50 |
deltasquared |
*shudders* |
12:50 |
Taose |
>.< |
12:50 |
deltasquared |
now he gets it :P |
12:50 |
Taose |
I haven't ever played MC |
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12:51 |
deltasquared |
Taose: good thing then. let's just say that the MC villagers have a habit of driving people insane |
12:51 |
Taose |
Mine probably won't be saying much |
12:52 |
Taose |
Just inhabiting their houses |
12:52 |
Taose |
they might go and bash the same tree without actually cutting it down day after day... |
12:52 |
Taose |
or they might work in the mine |
12:52 |
Taose |
day after day not actually mining anything |
12:53 |
deltasquared |
AI systems would be intriguing, but beyond my capacity right now |
12:53 |
Taose |
Yeah I've got no desire for actual AI at the moment |
12:54 |
Taose |
(I refer to AI as being code that makes decisions based on input) |
12:54 |
deltasquared |
"game AI" then, people get what you mean there |
12:54 |
Taose |
ah okay |
12:57 |
deltasquared |
Taose: hmm, this kinda puts it into context https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHIImfiokOU |
12:58 |
Taose |
>.> |
12:58 |
Taose |
lmfao |
12:58 |
deltasquared |
it gets REALLY ANNOYING over time |
12:58 |
deltasquared |
it was bad enough that they resemble squidward with those noses |
12:58 |
Taose |
XD |
12:59 |
Taose |
I was thinking text tbf |
12:59 |
deltasquared |
there was an old mod that replaced villager's with steve's model (the default player skin), and made iron golems (guard type things that walk around villages) look like skyrim guards |
12:59 |
deltasquared |
in a blocky way, of course |
12:59 |
Taose |
XD |
13:01 |
Taose |
I can imagine how that'd get very annoying very quickly |
13:01 |
Taose |
I wonder if I could get away with Dragon Naturally Speaking voices... |
13:17 |
deltasquared |
Taose: perhaps https://lyrebird.ai ? |
13:17 |
deltasquared |
I'm actually wanting to try that on myself now |
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13:18 |
Calinou |
"double-facepalm" :-) |
13:18 |
deltasquared |
Calinou: huh? |
13:18 |
Calinou |
(some custom Xonotic player models use espeak voices, one of the taunts is "double facepalm" said using espeak) |
13:18 |
Raven262 |
lol |
13:19 |
deltasquared |
indeed |
13:22 |
Taose |
Lyrebird or mockingjay...hmmm |
13:22 |
deltasquared |
Taose: actually IIRC the actually talking ones were called jabberjays |
13:23 |
Taose |
that is true |
13:24 |
Calinou |
https://media.hugo.pro/minetest.png |
13:24 |
Calinou |
about adding NPCs to Minetest :P |
13:24 |
sfan5 |
you forgot the last one |
13:25 |
sfan5 |
"implementing mobile players as NPCs" |
13:25 |
Calinou |
oh, yes |
13:25 |
Calinou |
we could acheve very high levels of realism for that one, it'd be Turing-complete |
13:25 |
Taose |
XD |
13:25 |
Taose |
Nah I'm only interested in something very basic |
13:30 |
rubenwardy |
a turing machine from actual mobile players would be hilarious |
13:30 |
rubenwardy |
EVE-level beginner extortion |
13:30 |
rubenwardy |
doubt it's possible |
13:31 |
Krock |
I hope you've all seen the Turing machine in PowerPoint: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNjxe8ShM-8 |
13:31 |
rubenwardy |
yes :D |
13:32 |
Taose |
O.o |
13:32 |
Taose |
must be that time of day |
13:32 |
* Taose |
puts the kettle on |
13:32 |
sfan5 |
!title |
13:32 |
MinetestBot |
sfan5: On The Turing Completeness of PowerPoint (SIGBOVIK) - YouTube |
13:33 |
deltasquared |
rubenwardy: "EVE-level", so it was a common thing on that game to exploit new users? |
13:34 |
rubenwardy |
yeah, big players would exploit new users to make loads of money for them at low cost |
13:35 |
Taose |
That's damned impressive... |
13:40 |
deltasquared |
turing machine in powerpoint... I'm fscking done |
13:44 |
Taose |
/dev/sda1 fsck failed. Disk failure. |
13:45 |
sfan5 |
should've used btrfs, it has no fsck so nothing can fail |
13:45 |
sfan5 |
:P |
13:45 |
Taose |
XD |
13:46 |
Taose |
Turns out Ubuntu doesn't like the suspend feature |
13:46 |
Taose |
Tends to lead to corruption on the hdd... |
13:47 |
XeonSquared |
even more fun is a brainf--k interpreter in excel |
13:47 |
Taose |
O.o |
13:47 |
XeonSquared |
got bored one day at work and did that |
13:48 |
XeonSquared |
excel does not like loops |
13:48 |
deltasquared |
sfan5: I was just lucking at the facedir axis values... is there a particular reason that they're the values that they are? |
13:48 |
deltasquared |
is there a special trick to say flip it to face exactly the opposite way |
13:48 |
sfan5 |
deltasquared: prob no |
13:49 |
Krock |
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQqGzPXUwAAVUOd.jpg |
13:50 |
deltasquared |
right, so I'm still going to need some kind of flip function. darn. |
13:50 |
Krock |
(if the "feature" answer isn't enough) |
13:50 |
Calinou |
Taose: suspend on Linux is still pretty unreliable today |
13:50 |
Calinou |
on the proprietary NVIDIA driver, it's pretty much unusable |
13:51 |
sfan5 |
you mean suspend to disk surely? |
13:51 |
Calinou |
on open source drivers, it's mostly okay… at best |
13:51 |
Calinou |
no, to RAM |
13:51 |
Calinou |
to disk is probably even worse |
13:51 |
sfan5 |
works perfectly on my laptop |
13:51 |
Calinou |
on my laptop, suspending worked, but Bluetooth sometimes didn't restore |
13:51 |
Calinou |
(only a reboot could solve it) |
13:53 |
Krock |
I tried to suspend to RAM too, that was two days ago. But each attempt to do so failed, as it kept starting up again, getting back to the login screen. This even when trying to shut down from the login screen itself :/ |
13:53 |
Krock |
hard exit solved it |
13:54 |
Krock |
i.e. 5s death-knob pressing or cable out |
13:57 |
Taose |
Yeah that's pretty much what I've found |
13:57 |
Taose |
I usually find it makes my main disk read only on restore |
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14:12 |
Taose |
Paramat, does your weather mod water the ground? |
14:13 |
paramat |
for farming? |
14:14 |
paramat |
no |
14:14 |
paramat |
good idea though |
14:15 |
paramat |
some have forked the mod and made changes to do with how it acts when the player is undercover |
14:16 |
paramat |
as that behaviour is obviously controversial |
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14:17 |
Taose |
Hm |
14:18 |
Taose |
In that case I have two issues |
14:18 |
Taose |
one the crops aren't growing beyond stage 1 |
14:18 |
Taose |
2 the water can isn't watering |
14:18 |
Taose |
3 the soil isn't drying out? |
14:18 |
Taose |
Was the water's range increased? |
14:19 |
Taose |
As for how it acts when undercover, I'm okay with how it is ^-^ |
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14:29 |
paramat |
i don't know what is causing your issues |
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14:43 |
Taose |
Yeah neither do I >.> |
14:43 |
Taose |
I had it before I believe. |
14:50 |
Taose |
I think I've figured it out |
14:50 |
Taose |
Sofar, your watering can doesn't work |
14:55 |
Taose |
and now the crops are growing again |
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swift110 |
hey all |
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16:11 |
habeangur |
Minetest is Freenode sponser?how? |
16:17 |
Taose |
With what money? |
16:18 |
Taose |
Or is Celeron being overly generous again? |
16:19 |
rubenwardy |
habeangur, exhibitor |
16:19 |
rubenwardy |
"sponsors and exhibitors" the title is called, I believe |
16:19 |
rubenwardy |
context: freenode.live |
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17:39 |
Taose |
Paramat, apparently being under glass doesn't count |
17:40 |
paramat |
because sunlight propagates, so light level is still 15 under glass |
17:41 |
Taose |
Ah I see so it's using the same system as sunlight? |
17:44 |
paramat |
snowdrift mod determines 'being under open sky' by detecting the maximum light level which is 15 |
17:52 |
Taose |
Well not a huge issue at any rate |
18:09 |
rdococ |
Want to know my favorite planet? |
18:12 |
Raven262 |
Yes, rdococ, tell us. |
18:13 |
rdococ |
Uranus :P |
18:13 |
Raven262 |
Ah |
18:13 |
Raven262 |
That wasn't even a fun joke |
18:13 |
rdococ |
This computer, the one I'm using right now, has a web filter. |
18:13 |
rdococ |
I've set it not to bother me, but every while or so it fails somehow and has to redownload the settings. |
18:14 |
rdococ |
For some reason, I can access every website, but I can't enter a Roblox game. |
18:14 |
Raven262 |
Awww, even better than my magically disappearing ublock origin. |
18:14 |
rdococ |
Ugh, god damn it. |
18:15 |
rdococ |
I'm tempted to restart. |
18:17 |
rdococ |
Right, that's it, I'm restarting. Can't take this any longer. |
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18:21 |
rdococ |
Well, I'm back. |
18:21 |
rdococ |
The web filter is still initializing. |
18:21 |
deltasquared |
as am I. *waves* |
18:21 |
rdococ |
Whatever the heck that means. |
18:22 |
rdococ |
I sincerely wish I would know more about what it's actually doing during this time. |
18:22 |
deltasquared |
"we're just setting things up for you" |
18:22 |
rdococ |
Because, last time I checked, downloading a few files from the internet didn't take more than 15 minutes. |
18:23 |
rdococ |
Seriously, is it just wasting my time? |
18:23 |
deltasquared |
no idea |
18:23 |
deltasquared |
I don't know the product/software in question |
18:23 |
rdococ |
I managed to get on a website. It hasn't fully loaded, though. |
18:24 |
rdococ |
The product is Netintelligence, and it's a pain in the ass on what is meant to be a home computer. |
18:24 |
rdococ |
Intelligent my ass. |
18:24 |
deltasquared |
doesn't work quite right? sounds like an "antivirus" if you know what I mean |
18:24 |
rdococ |
It shipped with the computer, and attempts to remove it failed. |
18:25 |
rdococ |
I don't think it's rogue, though. |
18:27 |
Taose |
Web filter? |
18:27 |
deltasquared |
any idea how it works? DNS? connection intercept |
18:27 |
deltasquared |
*shudder* local SSL MiTM? |
18:28 |
Taose |
Just format the damn thing and run linux :) |
18:28 |
deltasquared |
sky's "broadband shield" is a mere DNS redirector, so it's fairly easy to skip over |
18:28 |
rdococ |
I don't know how Netintelligence works. |
18:29 |
deltasquared |
I'm just wondering if "not-so-netintelligence" applies to how it supposedly does it's filtering |
18:29 |
rdococ |
I really don't think it's rogue, though. |
18:30 |
Taose |
https://kb.stonegroup.co.uk/index.php?View=entry&EntryID=299 |
18:30 |
Taose |
I suggest you remove it |
18:30 |
deltasquared |
eh, it'll probably be one of those things you'll want to throw out the window eventually if it interferes with stuff |
18:30 |
Taose |
and by that I mean... a nice hard format |
18:30 |
rdococ |
Taose, I can't connect to that page. |
18:30 |
deltasquared |
phahaha |
18:30 |
Taose |
-_- |
18:30 |
rdococ |
Can you send a screenshot? |
18:30 |
Taose |
Which image sites can you access? |
18:31 |
rdococ |
...Wait, that won't work either. Crap. |
18:31 |
Taose |
XD |
18:31 |
rdococ |
Taose, what's odd is that I was able to go on every website just before I had to restart. |
18:31 |
rdococ |
Is it actually rogue?! |
18:31 |
Taose |
No |
18:31 |
rdococ |
Okay, it loads now. |
18:31 |
Taose |
Netintelligence is a parental net lock thingy |
18:31 |
Taose |
Netintelligence is an internet parental control designed to help parents monitor and if required, restrict their children's Internet activity. It allows you to: |
18:31 |
Taose |
Determine which types of web sites you doand do notwant your family to visit. |
18:31 |
Taose |
Keep an eye on the length of time spent on the computer by your family and what they are doing. |
18:31 |
Taose |
The following list shows the type of websites that are blocked by default. The categories can be added or removed for each user account. Gaming websites can also be added to the blocked list, but is not enabled as default. |
18:31 |
Taose |
In then goes on to list... |
18:32 |
rdococ |
I also don't know the username or password. |
18:32 |
Taose |
Adult, Gambling, Threats, Drugs, Hate, Gaming |
18:32 |
Taose |
so... |
18:32 |
Taose |
everything |
18:32 |
Taose |
Do you have a usb stick? |
18:32 |
deltasquared |
"anonymous file sharing" in sky broadband shield's case blocks web.archive.org. fuck you. |
18:32 |
deltasquared |
... |
18:32 |
deltasquared |
err, fsck? damn |
18:32 |
* deltasquared |
hides |
18:32 |
Taose |
? |
18:33 |
rdococ |
I did, however, while I knew the login details, configure the settings not to block anything. |
18:33 |
deltasquared |
Taose: I got advised not to use profanity to liberally on here is all |
18:33 |
deltasquared |
*too |
18:33 |
Taose |
Probably a good idea. |
18:33 |
Taose |
However using fsck instead of the more vulgar term, is actually still profanity. |
18:34 |
rdococ |
My mother likes forgetting things like manuals that come with stuff. |
18:34 |
rdococ |
It's really annoying. |
18:34 |
deltasquared |
Taose: huh, I always thought using the term for filesystem check would go under the radar |
18:35 |
Taose |
It's never the word that matters, it's the intent ^-^ |
18:35 |
deltasquared |
intent my foot |
18:35 |
Taose |
See, profanity right there ;) |
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18:35 |
* deltasquared |
strangles Taose |
18:35 |
rdococ |
Intent my banana. |
18:35 |
Taose |
As for getting rid of netintelligence |
18:35 |
rdococ |
Remember, kids! Profanity is when you feel a negative emotion! |
18:36 |
rdococ |
How would I get rid of it without trying to log in? |
18:36 |
Taose |
Pretty much the only way you can do it now is a format, you'll otherwise need the details. |
18:36 |
rdococ |
God damn it. |
18:36 |
Taose |
and don't install it when you boot re-load. |
18:36 |
Taose |
In the mean time, grab a usb-stick and run linux through it |
18:36 |
deltasquared |
best way I have of copying files between two devices still: netcat or tarpipes |
18:40 |
Taose |
>.> |
18:40 |
Taose |
To be fair I just snail mail anything over 5gb |
18:41 |
Taose |
O.o |
18:41 |
Taose |
Netintelligence warning: |
18:41 |
Taose |
Please Note: You will not be able to 'surf' the Internet using Google Chrome as it is not compatible with Netintelligence. Google Chrome should not be installed on your PC / notebook. |
18:42 |
rdococ |
Netintelligence is honestly crap. |
18:43 |
rdococ |
I'm considering installing Tor browser. |
18:44 |
rdococ |
I can go on every website, but I can't enter a Roblox game. |
18:44 |
rdococ |
Why the hell is it being so selective? |
18:44 |
Taose |
>.> |
18:44 |
rdococ |
Sometimes I begin to think that everything is actually put into place by an evil god to torture me. |
18:44 |
Taose |
have you tried Minetest, I hear it's awesome |
18:44 |
deltasquared |
I guess it blocks everything it doesn't have a backdoor to |
18:45 |
rdococ |
It doesn't block IRC at all, deltasquared. Even when it's busy "downloading settings" for 20 flipping minutes. |
18:45 |
rdococ |
And it better not start, either. |
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18:45 |
rdococ |
I'm considering contacting support, but it doesn't even say. |
18:48 |
rdococ |
Okay, great, now even LESS is working. |
18:49 |
rdococ |
I swear to flipping God |
18:49 |
rdococ |
I fucking swear to God. |
18:50 |
Taose |
Get a usb stick... |
18:50 |
Taose |
Download manjaro... |
18:50 |
rdococ |
Manjaro? |
18:50 |
rdococ |
What the heck is that? |
18:50 |
Taose |
Linux distro |
18:50 |
rdococ |
I can't even do that right now. |
18:50 |
Taose |
it's actually pretty good at running from a usb |
18:50 |
Taose |
>.> someone email him a copy |
18:50 |
rdococ |
I don't have another computer to download it. |
18:50 |
Taose |
-_- |
18:51 |
rdococ |
I probably can't even access email. |
18:51 |
Taose |
Okay |
18:51 |
rdococ |
This software is plain fucking cruel to me. |
18:51 |
Taose |
your only option is to reformat the machine |
18:51 |
rdococ |
(that being Netintelligence) |
18:51 |
rdococ |
My only option at the moment is to get a fucking hammer. |
18:52 |
Taose |
We'll see you when you get a new computer? |
18:52 |
rdococ |
Maybe. |
18:53 |
rdococ |
It's literally impossible to vent your anger out in a world like this. One small thing will hurt you even more. |
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18:54 |
rdococ |
Fuck it, I'm getting the Tor browser. |
18:55 |
rdococ |
I hope it will help to bypass this crappy filtering software I don't even want. |
18:56 |
rdococ |
LOL - it broke Windows's crappy SmartScreen thing. |
18:56 |
rdococ |
I'm going to show Netintellistupid - that stupid piece of fucking shit - who's boss. |
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assadf |
minetest needs a pubg style subgame |
18:57 |
rdococ |
pubg? |
18:57 |
assadf |
playerunknown's battlegrounds |
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18:58 |
assadf |
hey wouldn't it make really good sense for a minetest server to make use of ipfs |
19:00 |
rubenwardy |
!g ipfs |
19:01 |
sfan5 |
>ipfs meme |
19:01 |
rubenwardy |
~g ipfs |
19:01 |
ShadowBot |
rubenwardy: Home | IPFS Corporation - To ensure ipfs.com is always performing to the highest standards, we regularly perform system maintenance from Saturday 9:00 PM Central Time to Sunday 8:00 AM Central ... </l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ipfs.com%2F>, GitHub - ipfs/ipfs: IPFS - The Permanent Web - IPFS (the InterPlanetary File System) is a new hypermedia distribution protocol, (5 more messages) |
19:01 |
sfan5 |
rubenwardy: tl;dr the "web" but it's a distributed filesystem |
19:01 |
rubenwardy |
MinetestBot! |
19:01 |
MinetestBot |
rubenwardy! |
19:01 |
rdococ |
Had to get a bridge. |
19:01 |
rdococ |
But I think it's up and running now. |
19:01 |
sfan5 |
assadf: how exactly would ipfs help minetest? |
19:03 |
assadf |
instead of loading data from a central server players in the same geographical location could pull data from each other's machines thereby shaving precious ms in latency |
19:03 |
assadf |
if i understand it correctly |
19:03 |
assadf |
say what you will about the ipfs meme but their irc is several times more active than yours js |
19:04 |
sfan5 |
okay cool |
19:04 |
sfan5 |
assadf: i only see this working out for media files or (with several complications) world data |
19:04 |
* Krock |
has flashbacks of an issue about distributed game content, which slowly died in inactivity |
19:04 |
sfan5 |
however both of those are not latency-relevant |
19:05 |
sfan5 |
latency matters when interacting with other players or the environment, not during data download |
19:05 |
sfan5 |
besides ~60% of minetest players are on mobile platforms which will guaranteedly not run ipfs |
19:05 |
rdococ |
Couldn't a machine send incorrect data, though? |
19:06 |
assadf |
so you are telling me that when I walk to an area cached on my buddy sitting next to me's machine that the latency wouldn't matter between getting it from his comp and getting it from the server |
19:06 |
rdococ |
(Though that could easily be prevented using SHA checksums.) |
19:06 |
assadf |
actually android has an ipfs alpha client already available |
19:06 |
Krock |
rdococ, that's another issue. never trust clients. |
19:06 |
assadf |
everything is hashed and signed on ipfs |
19:07 |
rdococ |
Krock: A machine could send incorrect data, sure. However, if the server and machine only exchange checksums to ensure that the data is correct, then I don't see the problem. |
19:07 |
sfan5 |
assadf: correct |
19:07 |
rdococ |
It wouldn't cause too much latency - I hope, anyway. |
19:07 |
sfan5 |
it does not matter if you get a 16KiB block of data from your mate @ 2ms or from the server which is at worst 300ms away |
19:08 |
sfan5 |
the android thing i mention wasn't about support, it was about whether people would actually use it |
19:08 |
assadf |
i beg to differ |
19:08 |
assadf |
try it and see |
19:09 |
sfan5 |
why would i go out of my way just to prove what you said? |
19:09 |
assadf |
no im saying the difference would be noticeable |
19:10 |
sfan5 |
certainly, but i'm saying the difference does not matter |
19:11 |
assadf |
im thinking that it might enable people in china to play with people in america on the same server and actually enjoy the experience |
19:11 |
sfan5 |
even if latency did matter, map data is way too dynamic to be stored distributed in an useful manner |
19:12 |
assadf |
surely you must be joking |
19:12 |
sfan5 |
no |
19:12 |
sfan5 |
can ipfs distribute map updates several times a second faster than directly sending data to each client? |
19:14 |
assadf |
what exactly do you mean |
19:14 |
rdococ |
Ugh, I am seriously annoyed by this web filter. It still manages to be a pain even though I've configured it not to filter anything. |
19:14 |
rdococ |
I had to restart the computer earlier, and now I can't access any website normally. |
19:15 |
rdococ |
I had to install Tor browser, and even use a bridge or two. |
19:16 |
sfan5 |
assadf: map data can change several times a second, can ipfs handle that and provide the newest "version" to clients in a timely manner? |
19:17 |
assadf |
a core philosophy of its design is to introduce zero adoption friction. I would assume, though I am not intimately familiar with its inner workings, that it could in fact handle the task you describe |
19:19 |
sfan5 |
even if it could, i seriously doubt that would be faster (latency-wise) than just sending map updates to each client individually |
19:21 |
assadf |
so you think it is faster for one machine to continually update several machines on map data rather than several machines working together to keep each other updated. I think it is the other way around. It seems we have reached an impasse in our discussion and further scientific inquiry is required to ascertain the truth |
19:21 |
sfan5 |
possibly |
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sfan5 |
if ipfs does turn out to be magically faster than what we have been using for years you would still need to find a developer to implement it |
19:22 |
ClockGen |
is it possible to give player custom velocity in lua? |
19:22 |
sfan5 |
and i can guarantee you that adoption rate would be very low |
19:22 |
sfan5 |
ClockGen: no |
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sfan5 |
ClockGen: this feature has been requiested for some time but it's not implemented yet |
19:23 |
sfan5 |
maybe you can find the relevant issue if you search on github |
19:25 |
paramat |
map data changes very many times a second |
19:26 |
rdococ |
That's it, I refuse to believe that Netintelligence isn't malware. |
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Angry |
hey |
19:38 |
Angry |
anyone alive |
19:38 |
deltasquared |
maybe? |
19:38 |
rdococ |
https://www.xkcd.com/231/ |
19:38 |
rubenwardy |
not sure |
19:39 |
Angry |
well you people arent dead rubenwardy deltasquared |
19:39 |
rubenwardy |
how'd you know? |
19:39 |
rubenwardy |
I feel like it |
19:39 |
rdococ |
I think I might be alive, but I don't know for sure :/ |
19:39 |
rdococ |
I'm battling with a broken web filter |
19:39 |
Angry |
sounds hard rdococ |
19:40 |
rdococ |
I'm considering booting into safe mode to boot the web filter out. |
19:40 |
deltasquared |
might work, hopefully that'll disable whatever it's using to protect itself |
19:41 |
rdococ |
I wonder how it even does that, though. |
19:41 |
rdococ |
I've found at least one source which actually claims the filter to be malware, but the source doesn't seem too trustworthy itself. |
19:41 |
deltasquared |
I dunno re self-protection, but antiviruses do it too |
19:42 |
deltasquared |
that said, software which I can't remove on a system I should control, and acts against my interest, qualifies as malware in my book ;) |
19:42 |
rdococ |
I had to install Tor browser, because it wouldn't allow me to access very many websites for whatever reason. |
19:43 |
rdococ |
Once I emailed the bridges email bot with 'get bridges', I was able to connect to Tor and access the internet, unrestricted, through that. |
19:44 |
rdococ |
Though I'm not even sure I can access Safe Mode on this laptop. It's Windows 8.1. |
19:44 |
rdococ |
Also, I think the vendor has tampered with the boot screen. |
19:45 |
deltasquared |
sounds like a typical day in the life of a windows user to me :P |
19:45 |
rdococ |
Heh. |
19:46 |
rdococ |
When I get my laptop back - hopefully tomorrow - I'd forgo all this shit and install Linux, if not for the fact that I still have a lingering feeling for Roblox. |
19:46 |
rdococ |
I really don't know what to do. |
19:46 |
rdococ |
My plan was originally to only use Roblox here on this laptop, but the shitty web filter has broken everything. |
19:46 |
rdococ |
I'm installing Malwarebytes as we speak to see if it classifies Netintelligence as malware. |
19:47 |
deltasquared |
Roblox? eh, I can't really judge on that one owing to a lack of exposure to it. |
19:48 |
rdococ |
Well, it's proprietary and it REALLY likes money, so it's become sort of a guilty pleasure. |
19:49 |
rdococ |
Yay, Malwarebytes can't download the latest updates and stuff. |
19:51 |
deltasquared |
I would just gently point out that there might be a point where it's either that software or preserving your sanity |
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19:51 |
rdococ |
Honestly, I'd have to agree with you. |
19:51 |
rdococ |
But I'm already insane anyway - and if I wasn't, school would make me go insane. |
19:52 |
rdococ |
I self-regularly slap my own head at the sides. One time, it was hard enough that I swore I went deaf in my right ear for a few moments, or at least my sense of hearing was diminished there. Note that I was still able to balance and walk fine, though. |
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rdococ |
I do agree with you though, deltasquared. Netintelligence is software that is acting against my interests, and resisting removal even with Autoruns.exe. That is what both of us call malware. |
20:04 |
rdococ |
What the... |
20:04 |
rdococ |
I just disconnected from all three networks. |
20:04 |
rdococ |
I managed to reconnect to two other than Freenode, and then one of them - Inchra - disconnected again. |
20:04 |
rdococ |
But it's back to normal now... if with a high ping. |
20:05 |
deltasquared |
right, must go, because my current X11 session can't seem to undock from my monitor properly. RIP> |
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rdococ |
I've decided to fuck it; I'm just going to see if Netstupidence is going to block Minetest servers too. |
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rdococ |
Seems not. |
20:14 |
Taose |
yaaay |
20:15 |
rdococ |
Yay! |
20:16 |
rdococ |
Hmm, which server to go on. |
20:16 |
rubenwardy |
redcat creative |
20:16 |
rubenwardy |
:) |
20:16 |
rdococ |
lol, I'm connecting to VE-C atm |
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rubenwardy |
:'( |
20:17 |
rdococ |
I got on to VE-Basic fairly easily, though, so I believe the broken web filter doesn't block Minetest servers. |
20:17 |
rdococ |
I am eternally grateful that Minetest uses different ports. |
20:25 |
rdococ |
My nutso web filter filters http://192.168.0.1:80/ because it hasn't, and never SEEMS to, get the proper settings. |
20:26 |
Taose |
Isn't 192.168 a local server? |
20:26 |
Taose |
i.e you |
20:26 |
Krock |
not directly you but a device in your local network |
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Krock |
.0.1 and .1.1 are common router IPs |
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rdococ |
yeah, 192.168.0.1 connects to the control panel for my router |
20:31 |
rdococ |
yet this dumbass web filter blocks it because it "has invalid settings" and must "download settings" (which takes an indefinite amount of time); |
20:33 |
Taose |
Yeah there's this command called Fdisk |
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Taose |
It'll solve your problem instantly |
20:33 |
Taose |
I'd back up all your data that you want to keep though |
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rdococ |
Would the operating system be formatted, though? |
20:34 |
rdococ |
See, I'm kind of confused. |
20:35 |
rdococ |
'Formatting' a disk would leave nothing on that disk, right? |
20:35 |
Taose |
mhm |
20:35 |
rdococ |
What would happen if I then tried to boot the computer without an external flash drive? |
20:35 |
Taose |
Not a lot |
20:35 |
rdococ |
What /would/ happen, though? |
20:36 |
Taose |
Well assuming that you didn't have an OS to reinstall...very very little |
20:36 |
Taose |
as in, you wouldn't get past the bios screen |
20:37 |
rdococ |
Is there a way to wipe everything, but keep the OS itself and essential components such as Internet Explorer, so I can reinstall Firefox? |
20:38 |
Taose |
Did you get a disk with your computer? |
20:38 |
Taose |
i.e a windows disk |
20:38 |
rdococ |
Don't think so. |
20:38 |
rdococ |
Even if I did, my mother probably would have thrown it away. |
20:40 |
Taose |
http://mywindowshub.com/reinstall-windows-8/ ? |
20:40 |
Taose |
... |
20:40 |
Taose |
hang on |
20:40 |
Taose |
Steps to reinstall Windows 8 without the disk |
20:40 |
Taose |
1. First of all you need to go to the computer settings, to do so press Windows + C keys to view the start menu startbar, click on Settings. |
20:40 |
Taose |
2. Over there you find a “Change PC Settings†option, click it. |
20:40 |
Krock |
> essential components |
20:40 |
Krock |
> Internet Explorer |
20:40 |
Taose |
3. Now, a PC Settings window opens, over there navigate to General Settings, scroll down and you will find three options |
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Taose |
“1st-Refresh Your PC without affecting your files†|
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Taose |
“2nd-Remove everything and reinstall windows†|
20:41 |
Taose |
“3rd-Advanced Startup†|
20:41 |
Taose |
The 1st option is for reinstalling windows 8 without affecting your files the 2nd is to delete all files and reinstall windows 8 and the 3rd option gives you the options for installing windows from USB drive/DVD or other options. |
20:41 |
Taose |
IE isn't essential anymore, I think that's Edge nowadays |
20:41 |
rdococ |
Krock: yeah I didn't think that through |
20:42 |
rdococ |
My mother uses the first option regularly for some reason. It temporarily keeps the broken web filter at bay. |
20:42 |
Taose |
You need the second |
20:42 |
rdococ |
ah. |
20:43 |
rdococ |
should I do it now? |
20:43 |
Taose |
I recommend backing up your data just in case but sure you can try it |
20:43 |
Taose |
I'd personally recommend trying to get a small linux distro |
20:43 |
Taose |
I wonder if you can use ftp? |
20:44 |
Taose |
(i.e. using something other than the 80 port to get data) |
20:44 |
rdococ |
My mother has lots of files on here, but I'm not sure about the whole backupping thing. |
20:44 |
Taose |
If you're using tor, that should enable you to download an ISO |
20:45 |
rdococ |
well, my mother did say I could do whatever with this |
20:45 |
rdococ |
so for now I might go for the second option |
20:45 |
Taose |
Go for it |
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rdococ_ |
K. |
20:50 |
rdococ_ |
I sincerely hope this works. |
20:51 |
rdococ_ |
gonna mess around on this iPad thing. |
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rdococ_ |
Ugh, I wish this thing had better multitasking. |
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Taose |
>.> |
21:09 |
rdococ_ |
<.< |
21:10 |
rdococ_ |
'were setting things up for you' |
21:10 |
rdococ_ |
'We're'? |
21:10 |
rdococ_ |
Wow, there must be tiny people in my computer making it work. /s |
21:11 |
rdococ_ |
"Don't turn off your -- fuck, netintelligence is still there |
21:12 |
rdococ_ |
the only shit it even deleted was shit I care about |
21:12 |
rdococ_ |
like Firefox and Hexchat |
21:21 |
sofar |
!mod warps |
21:21 |
MinetestBot |
sofar: Warps [0.2][warps] by madchicken13 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2775 |
21:22 |
Lone-Star |
i stopped running windows long time ago, except in a vm for programs that only run in windows |
21:23 |
rdococ_ |
I would run Linux but I'm using my parents computer rn |
21:24 |
Lone-Star |
what are you running to require port 80? |
21:24 |
rdococ_ |
You mean 192.168.0.1? |
21:25 |
rdococ_ |
thats the routers control panel |
21:25 |
rdococ_ |
it uses port 80 |
21:33 |
MinetestBot |
[git] paramat -> minetest/minetest: Stratum ore: Allow use with no noise for simple horizontal strata e2afcf8 https://git.io/vdnRd (2017-10-01T21:31:44Z) |
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rdococ |
hi rdococ_ |
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rdococ |
I love it when my internet breaks. I love it so so much. |
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jordan4ibanez |
Are animated particles possible yet? |
22:32 |
sfan5 |
ys |
22:32 |
sfan5 |
es |
22:32 |
sfan5 |
yes |
22:45 |
jordan4ibanez |
sfan5, how?? |
22:46 |
sfan5 |
https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4969 -->> https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L4443 |
22:48 |
jordan4ibanez |
sfan5, possible for particle spawners? |
22:48 |
sfan5 |
yes was just forgotten in the docs |
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jordan4ibanez |
This opens up worlds of untapped potential :O |
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