Time  Nick          Message
00:55 Hijiri        ircSparky: By it doesn't work, do you mean it doesn't get attached?
00:57 ircSparky     I dont see the entity that is to be attached
00:57 ircSparky     it dissapears
00:59 Hijiri        are you in first person, and is the puncher you?
01:03 ircSparky     both first and 3rd, and it is me
01:05 ircSparky     have you gotten it to work?
01:05 ircSparky     or do you know where someone has?
01:35 Hijiri        well, I don't remember if the bone name is Body, but it sounds like it should have worked if it's correct
01:35 Hijiri        I've tried it before
01:36 Hijiri        ircSparky: here is the code: http://lpaste.net/358691
01:36 Hijiri        ignore the registration for test:connector, I didn't use it for anything
02:06 ircSparky     that code dosnt giveme anyhitng, and head does not seem to work either
02:06 ircSparky     I will put it in githum
02:09 FatalNIX      any plans to adopt 5.2?
02:09 FatalNIX      or 5.3
02:10 FatalNIX      oh I see
02:10 FatalNIX      it is probably because luajit
02:11 FatalNIX      you know I never really understood that for most things, luajit is definately faster ut plain old lua is extremely fast already, sometimes I think pople just can't code :P
02:24 jas_          either that or plain old lua wasn't fast enough to handle whatever, probably total number of players on the server.  i think minetestserver shimmies at like 30-40 players.
02:24 jas_          i think also because everything is on a single thread? *shrugs* <-- and doesn't know how to code! ;^)
02:26 ircSparky     To anyone interested: https://github.com/Elkien3/backpack
02:29 ircSparky     the main thing thats would be important for attacking to the "Body" bone is so sitting and laying look normal. also then it would support playeranim
02:30 jas_          interesting, the bag is an entity.  i have one very similar (https://github.com/jastevenson303/backpacks) but they're nodes.  i too, plan to implement swing-open-anywhere, but also want to make it so they can be placed anywhere regardless of protection (but feels risky)
02:31 jas_          it makes sense that one would be able to hold the bag with one hand and access its contents with the other, heh.  i tried to do attached_inventory=1, but the node would lose its metadata
02:31 jas_          tempted to give your entity backpack a look-see and see how it feels, thanks for that
02:50 jas_          (i always intended to make it a 3d model visible on the player, leaving them with only their 8-slot hotbar if they dropped their backpack
02:51 jas_          (i even got it as a slot on player inventory that when you removed the bag, so did your bottom 24 slots disappear.  there was a problem with glitches and lists and formspec stuff, want to try again tho)
02:53 jas_          (iirc it was a problem with duplicating stacks, by way of very quickly exchanging item-atop-item click and releases, maybe it's fixed by now.)
02:56 ircSparky     sounds cool
02:59 ircSparky     I have a feeling entites are really cut out for stuff like this :P
02:59 ircSparky     atleast its stylish :P
03:00 ircSparky     what you said sounds like an awesome idea for a hardcore gamemode
03:00 ircSparky     good luck! im off to bed
03:05 jas_          ye, that's the idea.  thanks, and good night
06:05 swift110      hey
06:19 Hijiri        it's how minecraft does it
06:20 Hijiri        any block that needs to do anything more than a block normally can do spawns an entity  for itself
06:20 Hijiri        e.g. chests for animation
09:10 jas_          interesting
10:48 sfan5         FatalNIX: mostly because of luajit, see here: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1277 || https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3437
11:09 JayTheNinja23 hi
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15:58 fireglow      is there a way to count the registered nodes and sort by mod/namespace? Just got "ERROR[Main]: Number of registerable nodes (32768) exceeded", lol
16:04 deltasquared  fireglow: not sure about sorting, though you can access registered nodes at runtime via the minetest.registered_nodes table
16:04 deltasquared  out of block ids is definitely an annoying problem to have
16:05 deltasquared  fireglow: you suspect something is taking a crap-ton of ids?
16:06 fireglow      deltasquared: yes, the streets mod
16:06 fireglow      throwing that on my already fairly modded server caused the error.
16:06 deltasquared  fireglow: I'm just trying to cook up a lua snippet
16:07 deltasquared  fireglow: though you'll need somewhere to run it... dunno if you have luacmd handy
16:07 fireglow      it would be nice to know if my existing mods are close to the limit already or if it's solely streets fault
16:07 fireglow      oh cool!
16:07 fireglow      sec
16:08 deltasquared  fireglow: I may be a few minutes, I'll have to revise string chopping in lua
16:08 fireglow      no rush, no stress :) I'm glad of any assistance you can give
16:08 fireglow      I'll throw on luacmd
16:08 deltasquared  but the basic idea is to chop the bit after the : in each registered node, and use that as an index into a table where the counter is incremented, then print all the mod prefixes out again via pairs() on the table
16:09 deltasquared  bearing in mind, this will only work when the game is already running.
16:09 deltasquared  if the game crashes because of ID limits I don't know how you'd get code in there
16:09 fireglow      that's good enough
16:10 deltasquared  right, so gives a range from start to end inclusive... hmm.
16:12 deltasquared  eyy, this is more head baking that I expected at this time of day
16:12 paramat       wow someone exceeded the limit
16:12 deltasquared  paramat: I didn't realise that was suprising?
16:12 deltasquared  though then again it *is* 32768
16:13 paramat       there is an issue for optionally increasing the limit, but needs some coding i can't do, otherwise i would have done it by now
16:14 deltasquared  paramat: could it theoretically be 65536 (16 bits) without breaking stuff in structures?
16:14 deltasquared  and map saves, come to thing of it
16:14 deltasquared  the former structure being the C++ kind in the engine code
16:14 paramat       well, read the issue https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/6101
16:15 fireglow      paramat: that limit is probably high enough, I strongly suspect some mod that has node creation in a buggy loop or something
16:15 paramat       yes it's certainly high enough :)
16:15 fireglow      ;)
16:15 paramat       when people exceed it the word 'excessive' comes to mind
16:16 Krock         fireglow, you also could overwrite the minetest.register_node and register_item functions to get the items before it throws the error
16:18 paramat       in 2013 kahrl considered 4096 nodes a lot hehe
16:20 paramat       anyay it's all about dummy ids needed, which is why the limit is half the expected 65000
16:20 deltasquared  fireglow: "attempted to perform arithmetic on local "start" (a nil value)" shoot, a bit longer, please bear with
16:22 paramat       and 65000 is the limit set by map format
16:23 deltasquared  paramat: not 65536?
16:23 deltasquared  you know, 2^16
16:23 paramat       yeah that's what i mean (lazy)
16:24 deltasquared  wait, continue isn't a lua thing? could have sworn I saw it in docs
16:25 Krock         you could put it into a separate do ... while loop and use break
16:25 deltasquared  is ok, I've fixed it. just wrapped the block in another if check instead
16:25 Krock         they added goto in a newer version, which I can't understand why they did so
16:26 deltasquared  me neither.
16:27 deltasquared  welp, apparently I'm balling up string.sub somehow
16:28 deltasquared  buggerit, I'm formatting this first so I can read it
16:28 deltasquared  fireglow: I'll be honest I may have to go soon anyways sorry
16:28 deltasquared  an interesting little challenge though
16:29 deltasquared  ... ooh. OOOH.
16:29 deltasquared  I'm an idiot, as usual
16:29 deltasquared  got key from pairs() and actual modname mixed up
16:31 rdococ        heh
16:32 rdococ        what mod are you making?
16:32 fireglow      deltasquared: sure, no problem, you're under no obligation whatsoever :)
16:32 deltasquared  rdococ: not, I'm making a lua fragment for fireglow to check which mods are taking up nodes
16:32 fireglow      rdococ: a script that counts node usage by other mods
16:32 rdococ        ah
16:32 rdococ        why's that?
16:32 deltasquared  fireglow: *deep breath* results={}  for key, _ in pairs(minetest.registered_nodes) do  local start,_ = string.find(key, ":")  if start ~= nil then local modname=string.sub(key, 1, start-1) local currentcount=results[modname]  if currentcount == nil then currentcount = 1 else currentcount = currentcount + 1 end  results[modname] = currentcount end end  print("results: ") for name, value in pairs(results) do print(name..":
16:32 deltasquared  "..tostring(value)) end
16:32 deltasquared  bugger.
16:32 deltasquared  I'll paste it
16:33 fireglow      rdococ: I'm hitting the node limit :S
16:33 fireglow      deltasquared: yay
16:33 deltasquared  fireglow: https://ptpb.pw/F94a try that
16:34 deltasquared  sorry for no indentation, not sure how luacmd or the MT console would handle it with the newlines in
16:34 fireglow      oh bugger, I can't paste
16:34 deltasquared  fireglow: hmm? ctrl-v should do it?
16:35 fireglow      I'll type it into a command block
16:35 fireglow      I can't paste to minetest, for somereason
16:35 deltasquared  fireglow: if the non-indented version won't work, I'll make a version inside a function that you can stick into an init.lua in a temp. mod
16:36 fireglow      no wait, sec
16:36 deltasquared  ...?
16:36 deltasquared  hurry up, me be hungry :P
16:36 deltasquared  you'll need to see it's print() output of course
16:36 fireglow      yes it works, thanks!
16:37 deltasquared  fireglow: see anything interesting?
16:37 fireglow      hmm, biggest consumer of nodes is ethereal with 1004, but nothing that should get close to 33k
16:38 deltasquared  I wonder if there's a way to hook minetest.register_node to count it's invocations...
16:38 fireglow      ah, moreblocks is 3728
16:38 deltasquared  I didn't add a sum bit at the end :P
16:38 fireglow      no worries
16:38 fireglow      thank you for your help, deltasquared!! Lua whizz ;)
16:39 deltasquared  anyway, feel free to keep that. like most of my other code, it's public domain. I don't give on copyrights, do what you like. http://unlicense.org
16:39 deltasquared  *ahem* I hereby disclaim copyright and intend this to be an overt act of relinquishment yadda yadda.
16:39 fireglow      yay :)
16:39 deltasquared  fireglow: programming whiz in general I would prefer :P
16:39 deltasquared  also, https://github.com/thetaepsilon-gamedev *hint hint*
16:39 fireglow      of course! =)
16:40 deltasquared  though, some things are being constructed still.
16:40 deltasquared  now, I really must get food going, have fun.
16:40 fireglow      nice, I'll keep watching it
16:40 fireglow      enjoy the food
16:44 ClockGen      hey, how exactly I'm supposed to use --name and --password arguments while hosting a server? (linux)
16:45 sofar         not
16:45 sofar         you don't use those
16:45 ClockGen      Why
16:45 sofar         you set `name = adminusername` in the minetest.conf for the server
16:45 sofar         and than that user is the server admin
16:45 ClockGen      Well I was hoping that I can actually use --name and --password as arguments to avoid using 2 separate config files
16:46 sofar         if you run 2 servers, I strongly recommend making separate server configs
16:46 sofar         otherwise they both have the same server name, server description etc etc
16:46 ClockGen      Well I run 1 dedicated server but using my main minetest.conf
16:47 ClockGen      Which I use for my client too
16:48 ClockGen      Is there a way to set admin password without actually logging once?
16:48 fireglow      you can just remove the whole client section for the server configuration, makes it easier to manage
16:48 sofar         not really
16:49 sofar         a server config file can just be 10-15 options, so it's no really big deal
16:49 ClockGen      Yeah I already wrote another server config but then found these "--name" and "--password"
16:49 ClockGen      So I thought I can use it, apparently not
16:49 sofar         those are for the client, obviously
16:49 sofar         a server creates no user
16:50 ClockGen      Well there is not much definition really, so I thought it's admin name and password
16:51 ClockGen      Another question: what are units of player_transfer_distance setting?
16:51 ClockGen      conf example on github says it's blocks
16:51 sfan5         ClockGen: running two instance from a single config is not a good idea as they might overwrite each others changes
16:52 sfan5         if the conf says "blocks" it's units of 16 nodes
16:52 ClockGen      oh well that's what I thought
16:52 ClockGen      But I cant really get used to nodes and keep calling them "blocks"
16:53 sfan5         it's fine if you know that a different convention is used internally
16:55 ClockGen      Is there a way to create new world from commandline without actually generating any blocks?
16:56 ClockGen      So I could enable all mods
16:56 ClockGen      Without using gui at all
16:56 deltasquared  food be cooking now
16:56 deltasquared  fireglow: nice to know it will be useful, certainly I get a kick from making stuff people actually use
16:56 deltasquared  might add it to libmthelpers later.
16:57 Krock         ClockGen, minetest --server --world <new path>
16:57 Krock         or just minetestserver
16:59 ClockGen      Oh well nothing is going to be generated unless somebody joins?
17:01 fireglow      deltasquared: yes, definitely useful :) I added it to my useful wiki page that also holds a nice patch from sfan5
17:01 sfan5         a patch by me? :thinking.
17:01 sfan5         🤔
17:01 deltasquared  that moment when you realise there was something you could do simpler...
17:02 ClockGen      Ok thanks for help with my stupid questions
17:02 deltasquared  instead of chopping the nodename string up, I could have just used mod_origin
17:02 deltasquared  *derp*
17:02 Krock         s/stupid/beginner/
17:02 fireglow      sfan5: https://dev.firc.de/wiki/Games/MinetestAdmin the block counting
17:02 sfan5         oh
17:11 deltasquared  fireglow: currently hammering it into shape so it'll appear in https://github.com/thetaepsilon-gamedev/libmthelpers
17:12 deltasquared  I've made the list results part used a passed function for printing, so it won't depend on print() as it exists at mod load time (meaning you can still make it print to player log for example)
17:13 deltasquared  man, I freaking love closures.
17:13 deltasquared  argh, something's cooking well...
17:28 asie          I wonder if my old Minetest mods still work.
17:28 sfan5         probably
17:28 asie          meselamps and mesegates
17:28 Lowe[m]       Hi
17:28 asie          hi
17:49 deltasquared  hello again.
17:58 FreeFull      asie: Best way to find out is to try them out
17:59 asie          apparently there's an issue on mesegates
17:59 asie          that it doesn't work, since feb 2015
17:59 Krock         asie, deprecated_lua_api_handling = error  and your chances are high that they don't work
18:00 Krock         question answered
18:00 asie          so, let's contribute to one of the voxel games which actually respects your freedom
18:00 asie          and install minetest again
18:04 deltasquared  erm, mind if I ask what the context is here
18:04 alket         hi, how to spawn more mobs in mobs_redo mod ?
18:05 deltasquared  fireglow: that thing I wrote for you is up on github now, https://github.com/thetaepsilon-gamedev/minetest-mod-libmthelpers/blob/master/stats.lua
18:06 asie          huh. the mesecons API pretty much changed entirely
18:07 deltasquared  don't you just love fresh re-writes? :P
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18:17 deltasquared  wait, so if you were closer than one node it'd blast your ears off?
18:17 deltasquared  I hope I don't run into that quite frankly
18:17 asie          okay, so the mod seems to almost work, except wires don't connect to the gates at all
18:17 asie          hmm
18:21 deltasquared  !mod mesegates
18:21 MinetestBot   deltasquared: Could not find anything.
18:21 deltasquared  asie: are we referring to something in mesecons itself or
18:22 asie          https://github.com/asiekierka/mesegates
18:22 asie          it's a gate mod I made which has many more features than the builtin one
18:23 asie          but it's 2.5 years old
18:23 deltasquared  rargh, the mesecons effectors and such API is not something I want to try and dive into right now
18:29 rdococ        mesecons api is weird
18:29 rdococ        externally, it's okay, but internally, it's super weird
18:29 asie          it seems that mesecons simply can't see my gates
18:29 asie          though my receptor/effector calls seem fine
18:30 deltasquared  rdococ: great. and to think that I was considering hooking into it for something I'm writing... that's going to be *fun*
18:30 rdococ        heh
18:30 rdococ        the mesecons api is internally eternally odd
18:31 asie          i used to call, uh
18:31 asie          mesecon:update_autoconnect(pos)
18:32 asie          but that's gone now
18:34 asie          found the commit which caused it, hm
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18:47 deltasquared  hmm, component registration system wants a logger, but the logger is accessed via the registration mechanism
18:49 deltasquared  bah, I'll let modns keep it's existing log, feck it.
20:36 dogetest      Hello. Im trying to use can_dig function from oldnode inside on_dig, but minetest says can_dig is nil. Im also want to access buildable_to attribute from a pointed_thing, but I dont know how
20:37 sfan5         minetest.registered_nodes[minetest.get_node(pointed_thing.under).name].buildable_to
20:50 Krock         (minetest.registered_nodes[minetest.get_node(pointed_thing.under).name] or {}).buildable_to  for dealing with unknown nodes
21:20 dogetest      It seens buildable_to isnt exactly whatI needed. Im writing a mod which is going to charge a fee from players when they dig or place. doing it through register_on_dignode and register_on_placenode didnt work because if players couldnt pay the fee I would need to revert dig/place. Ive tried thorugh is_protected, but didnt work because of sapplings running it multiple times. Now Im trying to wrap nodes dig and place, but
21:20 dogetest      when right-clicking on a chest while with a dirt on hand, it places the dirt instead of opening the chest
21:21 sfan5         overriding callbacks needs to be done with care
21:21 sfan5         if it isn't these problems are no surprise
21:26 dogetest      basically, if not defined a on_place for dirt node, when right-clicking a chest, while with a dirt on hand, is going to open the chest. If defined on_place = minetest.place_node, the node gets placed instead of opening chest
21:46 dogetest      using minetest.item_place instead of minetest.place_node should fix it, but isnt
21:55 dogetest      fixed :D
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