Time  Nick           Message
05:36 Luizsab        Hello. I have a question about server&client. Is possible to load mods and texture from client?
05:36 sofar          the client can not send textures to the server
05:37 sofar          neither server nor client can currently send mods to each other
05:38 Chinchou       That begs the question of how it happens that one can still play on a server when the client lacks the mods that the server is using.
05:38 Luizsab        I know. If my client has the same mods and textures of the server, the world will be load more fast?
05:42 sofar          mods are currently server only
05:42 sofar          textures, models, sounds are sent to each client at login
05:42 sofar          everything gets cached for subsequent logins on the server
05:44 Chinchou       In other words, by "mods", you actually mean the Lua scripts.
05:44 Luizsab        Is there any way to optimize the loading world?
05:46 Chinchou       Hm...  Does the client ignore existing assets when connecting to a server that uses them?
05:46 Chinchou       Local installed copies, I mean, rather than the cache.
05:48 Luizsab        No. But is very slow. I use it in a lan and is very very slow. If I start a clear world with default mods it is ok
05:51 Chinchou       Luizsab, that makes it sound like you just have a bunch of big/slow mods you're using.  There probably really isn't anything to be done to speed up loading in such a case.
05:53 Luizsab        If I copy the world to client, it will be load faster? Although modifications by users?
05:55 Chinchou       What?
05:56 Chinchou       Sorry, I don't understand your second question.
05:56 Chinchou       The world is server-side.  Having a copy client-side will not affect connecting to the server.
05:58 Chinchou       The loading times on the client are from loading the cached assets and logging in to the server - there's really no way to speed that up without throwing more CPU time at it.
06:01 Luizsab        I understand. Thank you
06:03 Luizsab        I really need more CPU, it is oldest PC
09:32 thePalin-      Is there some list of "de facto standard" for api mods?
09:33 deltasquared   thePalindrome: I'm not sure I understand what you mean
09:34 thePalindrome  For instance, I need a mod that adds mobs for me to interact with, which one could I more reasonably assume people have?
09:35 deltasquared   thePalindrome: oh right. well, I don't think such a list exists without having some kind of widespread data collection on mod installs
09:36 sfan5          well find one (or a few) that provide this api and check the forum topic to estimate its popularity
09:36 deltasquared   my only guess would be to look at mob mods and see which ones they *appear* to use most often
09:36 thePalindrome  Kindof figured
09:36 deltasquared   short of opt-out data collection which I'm sure *loads* of people would just love to have :P
09:38 celeron55      most servers publish their list of mods
09:39 celeron55      i wonder if anyone has made any stats
09:40 deltasquared   celeron55: then that one server I play on doesn't say which mods it has and doesn't give you privs for /mods
09:40 sfan5          i sometimes update the chart on the wiki
09:40 sfan5          https://wiki.minetest.net/File:Modsonservers.png
09:40 deltasquared   sfan5: hehe, sometimes. I bet you jump for joy at that manual data entry :P
09:41 thePalindrome  Neat
09:41 thePalindrome  Mainly I'm just wanting to avoid depending on a mod that nobody "happens to have anyway"
09:42 deltasquared   building_blocks and itemframes, I'll have to look at those
09:42 deltasquared   thePalindrome: I do understand where you're coming from, but it's something you'd need data for, and that's where I can't help much
09:43 thePalindrome  I know the itemsframes dev can't wait for the dynamic node texturing :P
09:44 thePalindrome  I do find it interesting that the top 4 mods are the only ones with 50% usage, do people not use many mods?
09:50 sfan5          thePalindrome: here's the full stats updated just now: https://0x0.st/7VT.csv
09:51 thePalindrome  Very nice
09:52 thePalindrome  Alright, that lends credibility to my assumption, thanks
09:54 deltasquared   dynamic node texturing? this a new thing in the dev version
09:54 sfan5          `doors` is more popular than `default` 🤔
09:59 thePalindrome  Huh
09:59 thePalindrome  deltasquared: wait, really? I know hardware coloring is, but texturing?
10:14 deltasquared   thePalindrome: sorry, I meant to phrase it as a question
10:14 deltasquared   I don't really know
10:14 deltasquared   !mod itemframes
10:14 MinetestBot    deltasquared: Item frames and pedestal [itemframes] by Zeg9 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5600
10:14 thePalindrome  Ah, my bad
10:14 thePalindrome  Afaik it's still being worked on
10:15 deltasquared   thePalindrome: I was playing around with support for changing the player's collisionbox on 0.5.0-dev, remarking how buggy it was at small sizes :P
10:16 deltasquared   notably, "shrinking" yourself (I had combined it with viewmodel scaling and camera movement) and standing close but not right next to a block inhibited your jump ability
10:17 deltasquared   sfan5: reminds me, after playing around with "shrinking" the player in said version I came to the conclusion that a wish list thing in the engine would be to move the player's base camera position relative to their model
10:17 sfan5          open a feature request on gh so it won't get forgotten
10:17 deltasquared   sfan5: right, guess I better go fiddle with my credentials store again
10:18 deltasquared   sfan5: so a feature request on github.com/minetest/minetest right, the core engine
10:19 sfan5          ye
10:19 deltasquared   hmm, not sure if I still wanted a separate account for this stuff
10:19 MinetestBot    02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: ServerEnv: Clean up object lifecycle handling (#6414) 1304839f2 https://git.io/v5Qji (152017-09-15T10:19:01Z)
10:19 MinetestBot    02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Customizeable max breath for players (#6411) 13edbc533 https://git.io/v5QjP (152017-09-15T10:18:47Z)
10:19 deltasquared   heh, customisable max breath?
10:19 * deltasquared imagines the HUD bar going crazy
10:21 deltasquared   sfan5: just to be sure though, is the current camera position hardcoded? or is it related to the model somehow.
10:22 deltasquared   just curious as it might change the phrasing of the request
10:22 sfan5          dunno
10:22 rubenwardy     there's an eye offset ,iirc
10:23 deltasquared   rubenwardy: yeah, but it's relative to the default position - a saner way would be to change the "default" position which is in turn relative to the cbox center (it looks like)
10:24 thePalindrome  #5919 seems to be the marker for what's going on
10:24 deltasquared   3rd person for example swings the camera around behind the head, so to shrink the player you'd need to both change the camera position relative to cbox and be able to scale the "closeness to head" too
10:25 deltasquared   is (discuss) a standard thing in the issues section to act as "request for comments" then
10:25 thePalindrome  Huh, wonder why the bot didn't see that
10:28 deltasquared   voxel area entities. damn. that looks like it'd need quite the non-trivial changeset
10:29 thePalindrome  Indeed
10:29 thePalindrome  But if implemented, opens up a lot of super duper cool stuff
10:29 thePalindrome  the other game has a mod I like for moving airships
10:29 thePalindrome  but imagine if you could walk on them too :D
10:29 rubenwardy     it's not going to happen, unfortunately :'(
10:29 thePalindrome  Oh?
10:29 deltasquared   I don't really agree with the idea of implementing them though that is suggested - really, to avoid mishaps in the long run, code would have to be changed to break the assumption of a singleton world
10:30 deltasquared   it'd likely involve API breaks all over the place
10:30 rubenwardy     being realistic, it's way too big of a change
10:30 rubenwardy     and that too
10:30 deltasquared   like, everything in lua that currently accesses "the" world via the global minetest object would eventually either have to change or become obsolete
10:30 deltasquared   either that or even more hacks
10:31 deltasquared   needless to say, it would have been better if it had been there in the beginning, but this is not the case (and I don't have any hard feelings on that, either - don't let perfect be the enemy of the good etc.)
10:34 deltasquared   !mod building_blocks
10:34 MinetestBot    deltasquared: Building Blocks [] [building_blocks] by sdzen - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=674
10:35 deltasquared   sfan5: I'll get around to writing that PR as soon as I figure out how labels work
10:36 deltasquared   unless it's like auto-assigned
10:36 deltasquared   I'm not very accustomed to working on github
10:36 thePalindrome  iirc you can't, a minetest repo admin has to
10:36 thePalindrome  That may have changed since I added mine
10:37 deltasquared   thePalindrome: that makes sense in a way, I'd just make it easier by making it fairly clear that it's a feature request
10:38 deltasquared   but first, other obligations.
10:40 thePalindrome  On a random note, is there a raytrace function? trying to write a handler for doing things to sections on a node
10:40 rubenwardy     minetest.net/lua_api/L2699
10:41 rubenwardy     minetest.net/lua_api/2699
10:41 sfan5          may i should add support for linking to individual functions to !api
10:41 deltasquared   rubenwardy: so does that return like a list of nodes along the path
10:42 deltasquared   also the line target in the redirect is broken
10:42 deltasquared   I'll have to borrow that to do things with explosions
10:42 thePalindrome  That gets me a reference to the node being selected, but I'd like to differentiate between e.g. "top half" and "bottom half"
10:51 thePalindrome  I think I may be able to fake something and use line_of_sight, just wondering if there's a better way to do it
11:35 deltasquared   sfan5: I'll probably have to file that feature request some other time. just had to deal with some IRL issues and I'm feeling rather frustrated now
11:35 thePalindrome  I found it
11:35 thePalindrome  minetest.pointed_thing_to_face_pos(puncher,pointed_thing)
11:35 deltasquared   thePalindrome: what was that for
11:35 thePalindrome  Take the y from that, subtract the node's position, then check positive
11:36 thePalindrome  A method to detect if you click the top or bottom half of a block
11:37 thePalindrome  Actually, that can detect any area within a node
11:37 thePalindrome  As a bonus, you cna also determine the face from those values
11:49 thePalindrome  So... I looked at the blame, the stairs mod added that function, to allow placing stairs upside down, ala the other game
11:49 thePalindrome  Which was exactly what I was trying to do
11:52 deltasquared   hah, I thought "the other block game" was just a one-off joke
11:52 thePalindrome  I see it used fairly often :shrug:
11:52 deltasquared   though I do find it being "it shall not be named" amusing
11:53 deltasquared   hmm, would a distinct integer type in lua have killed to add... though I guess recursion depth limit testing should still be doable anyways
11:54 thePalindrome  Well... Yeah
11:54 thePalindrome  Lua is too weakly typed to have a "distinct integer"
11:55 deltasquared   if (depth >= limit) return else ... end
11:55 deltasquared   that should do it I guess
11:55 deltasquared   even if depth or limit for some stupid reason were a float, still add a "whole" 1 each time
11:56 deltasquared   well, I should say, a fractional value, they're all potentially floats internally
11:56 thePalindrome  exactly :P
11:57 deltasquared   now I'm just trying to think of the sanest way to round to a whole number
11:57 * deltasquared checks lua manual
11:57 thePalindrome  Math.floor
11:57 thePalindrome  or Math.ceil
11:57 thePalindrome  or Math.round
11:57 thePalindrome  depends on what you want :p
11:58 deltasquared   ... oh, of course. I was just gonna use % given it's semantics (which I wasn't sure of)
11:58 thePalindrome  I don't think Modulo guarentees a whole output
11:58 thePalindrome  At least, mathematically it shoudl allow floats
11:59 thePalindrome  Either way, Math.round'll do
11:59 deltasquared   oh wait, I was wanting floor division, i.e. //
11:59 deltasquared   or just the math.* as suggested
12:03 deltasquared   it was only so I only get "integer" values before converting to a string - there was a "level" identifier registered into a block name
12:31 MinetestBot    02[git] 04DTA7 -> 03minetest/minetest: Add setting to display the itemstring after the tooltip in the invent… 13808ada1 https://git.io/v57YP (152017-09-15T12:31:32Z)
13:11 jas_           !server pizza
13:11 MinetestBot    jas_: FREE PIZZA SERVER!! | 24.208.202.9 | Clients: 2/32, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.15 / minetest | Ping: 116ms
13:45 deltasquared   hmm, if I wanted to create a variable in a mod's init.lua that was visible for the purposes of dofile(...) but then was "destroyed" at the end of init.lua, how would I do this
13:45 deltasquared   considering dofile code doesn't check the enclosing scope for variables, I guess it'd have to be a temp global and set it to nil when done, but it technically still exists even if set to nil
13:55 thePalindrome  Why does it need to be "destroyed?"
13:56 sfan5          deltasquared: you can return stuff from dofile
13:56 deltasquared   thePalindrome: I would prefer that use of the name after it's supposed to be done with would cause an error of "not defined" vs an error where it's nil in another mod which accidentally uses the name
13:56 deltasquared   sfan5: hmm, so maybe I could re-organise my code such that functions are "returned" in an object from dofile
13:56 sfan5          deltasquared: here's an example: https://github.com/minetest-mods/mesecons/blob/master/mesecons_fpga/init.lua#L4 // https://github.com/minetest-mods/mesecons/blob/master/mesecons_fpga/logic.lua#L210
13:57 deltasquared   get_current_modname()... why da feck didn't I spot that
13:58 deltasquared   shame one can't pass variables into a dofile chunk
13:58 deltasquared   something like shell script's $<n> vars
13:58 ph3-der-loewe  why not use a callback?
13:58 deltasquared   ph3-der-loewe: for what
13:58 ph3-der-loewe  dofile(...).register(x, y, z);
13:59 ph3-der-loewe  if sfan5 is right you can return a callback or a table with stuff.
13:59 ph3-der-loewe  like plugin interfaces do in gernal.
14:00 deltasquared   ph3-der-loewe: I guess that'd work, it just took me a moment to invert the mental model to see how that'd work
14:00 ph3-der-loewe  normally a plugin just returns a structure with same metadata and some callbacks.
14:01 ph3-der-loewe  metadata like name, description, authro,...
14:01 deltasquared   ph3-der-loewe: yes I can see how it'd work now
14:01 ph3-der-loewe  and callbacks like register, unregister, run, ...
14:02 ph3-der-loewe  this also allows to check the env before running code.
14:02 deltasquared   A tad more complicated than I had originally envisioned, but it would encourage slightly cleaner internal design
14:02 ph3-der-loewe  like loading all depends before running the init.
14:14 deltasquared   thePalindrome: not a problem in any case - it appears that globals are special in that they can't hold nil - they become undefined again if you assign nil to them
14:15 rubenwardy     false, nil is the same as undefined
14:15 rubenwardy     global is just a table - _G
14:15 rubenwardy     actually
14:21 deltasquared   haha. for key,_ in pairs(_G) do _G[key] = nil end
14:21 deltasquared   *explodes*
14:22 deltasquared   I don't know what I expected else but it was amusing nonetheless
15:52 habeangur      Krock: yes I didn't have on Linux again
15:52 habeangur      Krock: s/again/too/
16:49 deltasquared   hmm, is there not a way to retrieve the item tooltip string for an existing item
16:49 deltasquared   I can't see anything like a minetest.get_item_info() function in the API
16:49 rubenwardy     stack:get_meta():get_string("description") or (stack:get_definition() and stack:get_definition().description)
16:49 rubenwardy     warning, may return nil
16:50 rubenwardy     h,,,
16:50 rubenwardy     *hmm
16:50 rubenwardy     actually
16:50 rubenwardy     stack:get_meta():get_string("description") or (stack:get_definition() and stack:get_definition().description) or stack:get_name()
16:50 rubenwardy     this should probably be a method, tbh
16:52 deltasquared   rubenwardy: I should have phrased more differently. I meant something like get_item_info("default:cobble"), this is at init time
16:52 rubenwardy     minetest.registered_items["default:cobble"]
16:52 rubenwardy     and then .description#
16:52 rubenwardy     so   minetest.registered_items["default:cobble"].description
16:53 rubenwardy     that will crash if default:cobble isn't defined
16:53 deltasquared   rubenwardy: I figured.
16:53 rubenwardy     so make sure you depend on default
16:53 deltasquared   oh, I always do
16:53 deltasquared   I have seen some mods which seem to neglect that
16:53 rubenwardy     you shouldn't unless you need to
16:53 deltasquared   rubenwardy: correction, I do if I reference default:
16:53 rubenwardy     only depend on default if you need to depend on default - it's just another mod
16:53 rubenwardy     ah
16:54 * deltasquared checks the actual lua_api.txt
16:54 rubenwardy     well, I'd also consider not depending on a default node if possible
16:54 deltasquared   rubenwardy: it's not a hard depends, default:cobble was an example
16:55 deltasquared   in the context of what I can doing the code doesn't particularly care what blocks it's told to look up as long as they exist
16:55 deltasquared   *what I am doing
16:57 deltasquared   rubenwardy: so the entries in the registered_nodes table say, they're basically the definitions passed in to register_node()
16:57 rubenwardy     yes
16:57 rubenwardy     and also from craftitems and tools
16:57 deltasquared   righty.
16:58 deltasquared   right, I must be off now, dinner time. cheers for the assistance
19:43 Errante        Hello guys. Im trying to code a mod which place a node back when digger do not have money, but I dont know how to take item back since Im using register_on_dignode. There would be a better way for doing this?
19:44 sfan5          pretty sure you can return false from that callback to abort it
19:47 Errante        does on_placenode also workthat way?
19:47 sfan5          !api
19:47 MinetestBot    Someone thinks you should read the API docs, please go to: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt
19:48 sfan5          they should be able to give you a definite answer
19:49 Errante        doesnt work
19:49 Errante        Ive read before coming here
19:51 Errante        register_on_dignode(function()if player.balance >= 2 then return true else return false end)
19:52 Errante        lua_api says I should return true to abort
19:52 Errante        and not to to dignode, but to placenode
19:53 Errante        it seens dignode doesnt have a abort
19:53 Errante        neither dignode
19:56 Errante        on_placenode, I had to remove_node(pos) then return true to "abort"
19:57 Errante        but on_dignode, I need to set_node(pos,oldnode) and to remove it from players's inventory
19:58 sfan5          if you want to prevent placing use the protection callback thingy
20:03 Errante        sfan5: whats that?
20:04 Krock          local old_is_protected = minetest.is_protected
20:04 Krock          minetest.is_protected = function(pos, playername) do stuff here, use old_is_protected as fallback  end)
20:05 Krock          however, this only works for players, not for set_node/remove_node
20:06 Errante        well, my question is how do I revert a dignode inside register_on_dignode
20:07 Errante        Ive tried local inv=digger:get_inventory() local taken=inv:remove_item(oldnode) minetest.set_node(pos,taken)
20:08 Errante        but now remove_item complains its not a string
20:08 rubenwardy     oldnode.name
20:08 Errante        xD
20:09 sfan5          you shouldn't revert it like this
20:09 Errante        ...
20:09 sfan5          just use is_protected
20:09 rubenwardy     It's say that's more of an abuse
20:10 Errante        Sorry, but I cant get to understand how it does apply tomy problem
20:10 rubenwardy     as other mods may rely on is_protect being for protection
20:10 rubenwardy     *I'd say
20:10 sfan5          the problem with the other approach is that instead of preventing digging you're undoing it
20:10 sfan5          which is suboptimal
20:11 rubenwardy     didn't paramat close an issue about this?
20:11 sfan5          idk
20:11 rubenwardy     Errante, how many nodes to you need to prevent digging on
20:11 rubenwardy     types that is
20:11 Errante        every node
20:12 rubenwardy     ah
20:12 rubenwardy     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3107
20:12 rubenwardy     not really related
20:13 rubenwardy     heh, using minetest.is_protect would probably give the best effect for the least cost
20:14 rubenwardy     minetest.net/lua_api/3142
20:14 sfan5          while it's not the really the intended purpose it's the best solution really
20:35 Errante        woow
20:35 Errante        thx guys
20:52 deltasquared   woo, finally. https://github.com/thetaepsilon/mt_compressed_blocks
20:53 deltasquared   welp guess job for tomorrow is forum registration, I can go chuck it on there
20:53 deltasquared   also sort out that "modns" thing in there.
20:53 deltasquared   *I need to sort
21:11 namex          hello
21:12 namex          i dont see server list in my client, only on site
21:12 sfan5          client version?
21:12 namex          newest
21:12 sfan5          so 0.4.16
21:12 sfan5          any error in the log file?
21:13 namex          no errors
21:13 namex          okay
21:13 namex          now i have list
21:14 namex          thanks
21:16 deltasquared   sfan5: dodgy 'net, apparently. -_-
21:16 deltasquared   if only all those little issues could fix themselves that easily
21:35 Fixer          jas_: i see this problem with caverealms https://i.imgur.com/DxLjzOX.png
21:36 Fixer          jas_: what caverealms are you using? newest? any changes to it?
21:59 Gael-de-Sailly hi
21:59 Gael-de-Sailly I've not disappeared :)
22:31 Fixer          hi
22:31 Fixer          welcome