Time Nick Message 02:33 Errante minetest, on windows, dies with fatal error of access violation when a trusted mod tries to require sockets.core 02:37 rubenwardy it definitely shouldn't do that :) 02:37 rubenwardy are you doing local ie = minetest.request_insecure_environment 02:37 rubenwardy then ie.require("sockets.core") 02:41 tumeninodes celeron55: wish I could let you have fun figuring out the issue with my Digitech RP80 :P 02:43 Errante rubenwardy: yes, Im using kaeza irc mod with his special setup for windows 02:43 tumeninodes sat in a basement in New England for 1+1/2 years and moisture got to it, but only affected the drum beats components. SO I just resort to beat-boxing :D 02:48 Errante I kind of lack skills and resources to debug and remake it 02:48 Errante Ive tried to recompile luasockets with cygwin but its painful 02:49 Errante would it be easier with gnu? 02:59 Errante kaeza's spacial setup for windows mentions that it would need to recompile luasockets for lua51.dll from minetest's bin folder and made a prebuilt luasocket and also uploaded makefile, but both are offline now on dropbox 03:00 LazyJ kaeza's dropbox? 03:01 Errante there are dropbox profiles? 03:02 LazyJ Not sure if "profile" is the term but I do know Dropbox changed how files can be publicly accessed this past spring. 03:03 LazyJ Caused a big headache for me because that is where I kept some png images that I use on the forums. 03:03 LazyJ Now each individual file has to be set to allow public access instead of having a "Public" folder like Dropbox used to. 03:05 LazyJ If kaeza changed a file name or has not set those files to be publicly accessible, then he may have forgotten. 03:10 Errante Im trying to plug dogecoin in minetest, through a mod. I choose dogecoin because there is a bitcoin mod already. I dont have any code yet, since jsonrpc4lua isnt working for me. 03:11 Errante I would like to take this idea for the forum 03:13 Errante I thought on some chat commands, like /doge balance, /doge send Errante 10,/doge send Do6ec0in4dd2e55 20 03:14 Errante /doge receive 03:14 Errante transactions could be verified by 3rdparty 03:17 Errante I wonder how this could be used to solve some people's cry about a central authentication 03:17 Errante sorry spam 06:13 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Check item_drop amount clientside (#6242) 13ad9677a https://git.io/v5OMr (152017-08-26T06:11:59Z) 06:18 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Add on_grant and on_revoke callbacks (#4713) 13096ea03 https://git.io/v5OMX (152017-08-26T06:17:05Z) 06:27 Emerald2 Is anyone else having problems with lots of bots on their server all the time? 06:45 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Android stepheight: Only increase if 'touching ground' (#6313) 130e0643d https://git.io/v5ODB (152017-08-26T06:45:09Z) 06:45 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Mgfractal: Use 'switch case' instead of 'if else' (#6314) 13e55aeec https://git.io/v5ODR (152017-08-26T06:43:50Z) 06:51 jas_ Emerald2 not tjat im aware but I ow would i know? 06:52 Emerald2 They all seem to have 3 numbers after their names and they mostly congregate at spawn and don't really do much. 06:52 jas_ Not yr lyysyy ystpyeytaykiyhyg ytmyytyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyydtyfyyyyyyy 06:52 jas_ Yyyyyyyyy 06:52 Emerald2 Except be a total waste of space and a lot of login and logout messages. 06:53 Emerald2 Cat on the keyboard? XD 06:53 jas_ I sweat a lot and am trying to use phone to type 06:54 jas_ They dont seem to be native english speaking 06:54 jas_ Some text looks like japanese or some such 06:54 Emerald2 I have no idea what they're saying. Apparently there's a guy in China who runs a lot of the bots. 06:54 jas_ I play with them. If they r bots.. They r of hifh quality imo 06:55 Emerald2 I'm not sure how our server owner tells the bots from the players. They're really getting out of hand though. 06:55 jas_ I dont think theyre bots right now. I think they r mobile users 06:55 Emerald2 The name and what they're doing seems to be a good clue in. 06:55 jas_ They play build chat 06:56 Emerald2 We get some mobile users too, they actually play the game though. 06:56 jas_ They act to me like regular mboile players 06:56 Emerald2 maybe yours aren't bots then? 06:56 jas_ Only new locale 06:56 jas_ !server dcbl 06:56 MinetestBot jas_: dcbl | dcbl.duckdns.org | Clients: 4/20, 2/6 | Version: 0.5.0-dev / dcbl | Ping: 119ms 06:56 jas_ Idk. I believe they r human 07:01 MinetestBot 02[git] 04bendeutsch -> 03minetest/minetest: Alternative code for slipping (#6256) 13fc13c00 https://git.io/v5OD9 (152017-08-26T07:01:09Z) 07:42 fireglow !seen DS 07:42 MinetestBot fireglow: ds was last seen at 2017-01-12 17:21:34 UTC on #minetest 07:42 fireglow !seen DS-minetest 07:42 MinetestBot fireglow: ds-minetest was last seen at 2017-08-15 10:04:04 UTC on #minetest-de 07:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Ekdohibs -> 03minetest/minetest: Add '@n' escape sequences and some documentation on translated strings. 135a6618c https://git.io/v5OSl (152017-08-26T07:43:08Z) 07:47 zahran https://pastebin.com/tsHWAWF0 08:53 hisforever Hi is there ant tourtals on how to do a fountain? 08:54 hisforever and water features 09:25 Megaf celeron55, Morning, so, the latest big project of Mighty Car mods, there's this car, from Japan, they like it a lot, is a small car, 4x4 and powerful. They wanted to import to Australia, but by the law they can't import that car. So they got the car chopped in half, and got all the bits and pieces shipped, as parts. The got a slightly different model of the car from Australia, and now they are transfering all parts from the Japan car to the Australian 09:25 Megaf one. I'd say that's difficult and it's not breaking. 09:35 celeron55 i hate bureaucracy and don't find it or working around it interesting at all 09:36 celeron55 and i mean 09:36 celeron55 there's nothing technically difficult in that task either 09:37 celeron55 all working parts, just bolt out and in 09:37 celeron55 boring 12:30 habeangur Hi, any oil mod for minetest? 12:31 habeangur I've seen oil(not now, months ago) on servers but I don't know which it is in which mod 12:31 habeangur Out`Of`Control: any idea? 12:37 habeangur sfan5: you have oil mod? 12:48 sfan5 my oil mod is very outdated 12:48 sfan5 pipeworks/technic might have what you're looking for 13:01 habeangur sfan5: I didn't find in your Github 13:01 habeangur sfan5: oil mod 13:01 sfan5 it's not on github 13:02 habeangur ok 13:03 habeangur I'm making a mod and I want to use oil as its fuel, Is requiring user to install pipeworks just because of oil in it a good idea? 13:06 Krock if there's another mod which contains oil, you could optional-dep on both and check whether is used (or none) 13:08 habeangur Krock: yes, but I mean user will have to install a big pipeworks just because of the small oil in it, also oil won't be optional-dep 13:08 habeangur as user needs this to make the mod really working 13:09 sfan5 you should really depend on pipeworks 13:13 habeangur sfan5: which one is more popular?pipeworks or technic? 13:13 sfan5 idk 13:14 habeangur thanks for answering, sfan5, Krock 13:22 Krock pipeworks 27% (36), technic 15% (20) where the numbers are the amount of servers in the server list 13:23 Krock so pipeworks is more popular for servers - but it might be a bit different for singleplayer worlds 13:23 sy you need both for oil 13:25 Krock you need homedecor for oil extract 13:27 sy uh no 13:29 Krock why uh no? https://github.com/minetest-mods/homedecor_modpack/blob/master/homedecor/crafts.lua#L307 13:46 sy you don't need it to get oil 13:53 Krock but you can get it to get oil 13:57 habeangur Krock: homedecor has oil, too? 13:57 habeangur lemme see 14:02 Krock strangely you also get the bottle for it when crafting the oil with six leaves 14:05 habeangur Krock: "the bottle"? 14:05 Krock vessel. bag. container to put the oil in 14:06 habeangur oil extract seems fine, it's easy to craft and also homedecor is even more popular than pipeworks and technic 14:09 Krock homedecor, 56 servers, 44% of all public ones. indeed, might be a better choice if the oil is worthful enough for your purposes 14:09 habeangur Krock: I don't get "a bottle", I get an oil extract which is both oil and bottle(bottle is not a seperated thing) 14:09 Krock never said it would be separate 14:09 habeangur Krock: what's strange? 14:10 Krock can we drop this topic? 14:10 habeangur Krock: yes 14:11 habeangur Krock: is that chart in the wiki frequency updated? 14:11 Krock see history. it's not updated that frequently 14:16 habeangur Krock: what's 16mb.com? 14:16 Krock hostinger 14:19 habeangur hmm, just 2 dollars a month 16:00 IhrFussel !tell Errante I run my server since May 2016 and I see no real difference between the behavior of mobile users now and pre-prefix names era... I highly doubt that the p0layers with the Names + numbers are "bots": 1. They seem to normally walk around 2. They seem to try to attack others 3. They ALWAYS find the correct way to a certain house or building 16:00 MinetestBot IhrFussel: I'll pass that on when Errante is around 16:02 IhrFussel !Errante One reason why they have these names is because the devs of the app they use avoid the "username cannot be empty" error on connec 16:02 IhrFussel Oops 16:02 IhrFussel !tell !Errante One reason why they have these names is because the devs of the app they use avoid the "username cannot be empty" error on connect 16:02 MinetestBot IhrFussel: yeah, sure, whatever 16:03 Krock IhrFussel, maybe these players just have the entire map in their head to find you 16:05 IhrFussel Krock, jokes aside I don't think there is a bot that's intelligent enough to act like a real human...some say "but they just stand somewhere and log off after a while" that was ALWAYS the case, it's because they have the MT app in the background or they are losing the connection 16:06 Krock kids, trying to do something and find something else to do 16:08 IhrFussel But I gotta say sometimes it's weird how my servers gets suddenly filled with 15+ mobile users in a matter of minutes...but that could have many reasons (popular server crashed, popular server reached max users, certain apps "feature" certain servers) 16:09 Krock or schools, either in classroom or pause? 16:11 IhrFussel Yeah that's possible too...and it would make sense cause they stay for 1-2 hours and then leave again (i mean they don't just stay at the same spot in that time, they just seem to have no time left anymore) 16:21 habeangur IhrFussel: bots? 16:22 habeangur IhrFussel: we have minetest bots? 16:24 IhrFussel habeangur, Errante talked about "bots" in MT ... you can read it in the IRC logs http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2017-08-26 16:26 IhrFussel IMO these (or at least most of them) are not bots, they are just clueless mobile users who probably don't even know that they play on a "Minetest" server cause their app is called "Exploration" or something like that 16:28 IhrFussel I mean I play ~ 10 hours per DAY on my server (yes I'm that crazy) so I watch them very closely when they join 16:37 Krock IhrFussel, and in your curriculum vitae there will be an entry "Active Minetest player for X years" ;) 16:39 twoelk actually nowadays there might even be jobs where a having been an admin on a games server might be usefull :-P 16:49 IhrFussel =P mostly I'm just standing somewhere on the map working on the server code in another window haha 16:51 nore sfan5: which one is more popular?pipeworks or technic? 16:51 nore technic depends on pipeworks 16:51 nore So every server you'll find with technic will also have pipeworks 16:56 IhrFussel And every server with those 2 mods will crash a lot 17:34 habeangur IhrFussel: I thought there are minetest bots, this was the idea which came to me months ago, I came here and they said there is not such thing but the code is open and you can do it yourself 17:35 habeangur IhrFussel: however, I didn't make minetest bot(yet), and I was thinking someone else finally made it 17:35 habeangur nore, thanks for answering 17:35 habeangur IhrFussel: lol 17:36 habeangur IhrFussel: if I coded them, I may come test on your server :p 17:37 IhrFussel habeangur, the question is what is the benefit? Having some random bots connected to a server? Usually people code bots for a certain purpose 17:38 habeangur IhrFussel: you can think they are new AIs 17:38 habeangur IhrFussel: my idea is not a bot to be online when a player isn't 17:39 habeangur IhrFussel: they are new players for themselves and somehow like a mob 17:39 habeangur IhrFussel: well this is my idea 17:39 IhrFussel You could create an ingame spam bot but it would be very easy to find out 17:39 habeangur IhrFussel: hey, not spam 17:40 IhrFussel What you think would be wayy better as mod or even as part of the engine 17:40 habeangur IhrFussel: making a bot with a enough good AI is not really easy 17:41 habeangur IhrFussel: no not a mod or such thing 17:41 twoelk habeangur: there once was a bot that travelled red crab's server to make a copy of the map. 17:41 IhrFussel No but again why would someone spend so much time on it? People won't get money for it 17:42 IhrFussel Most bots either advertise something or the programmers have a contract with certain companies about "spying" 17:42 habeangur twoelk: can you give me more information about it, especially its source code! 17:42 habeangur IhrFussel: I'm a bot 17:42 habeangur IhrFussel: spend time on what? 17:43 IhrFussel Spend time on coding a bot...for free 17:43 IhrFussel With no profit 17:44 twoelk let me search the redcrab thread - I can't remember the source code ever published but there is the map discover mod that teleports the player around in an automated pattern 17:44 habeangur IhrFussel: if you mean "money" by profit, Minetest developers don't get money 17:44 habeangur twoelk: wait 17:45 habeangur twoelk: my idea is this: a program which connects to a server and using minetest protocol, does someting 17:45 habeangur twoelk: making such a mod is not that hard 17:46 habeangur twoelk: and my idea is not "a mod" 17:47 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=2950 have a look at this 17:51 habeangur seems an old post 17:52 habeangur yes 2012 17:53 habeangur it really eats bandwidth 17:54 IhrFussel habeangur, the MT devs do it for a certain purpose that makes sense...they offer/improve a game engine that's used by many people ... but a bot that just connects to a server and acts like a human doesn't seem senseful 17:55 IhrFussel john_cephalopoda, the dev version is not compatible with 0.4.16 and older anymore 17:56 IhrFussel john_cephalopoda, yes the next big release will be 0.5.0 which means many new features but also lots of breakage 17:57 habeangur IhrFussel: if it doesn't make sense to me, so I won't do it but if it is I'll do 17:57 twoelk https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=127893#p127893 here's the first post explaining Luigi's mission on redcrab. the first sightings are mentioned a bit earlier on the same page 17:58 habeangur IhrFussel: anyway, it's just a good/bad idea yet 17:58 IhrFussel There will be a 0.4.17 in a few months I think but it will NOT contain the new features...any server/client that uses 0.5.0 will not be able to play (properly) on/with a <=0.4.16 server/client 17:59 IhrFussel habeangur, so what you mean is they just do it for fun or because they are bored since there is no other reason behind it 18:00 habeangur IhrFussel: "they"? 18:02 IhrFussel They = anyone who codes such a bot ... again: There are many types of bots out there but usually they make sense...they don't simply connect to a server to "play" human...they either try to do harm to the server, advertise on the server or other stuff 18:04 habeangur IhrFussel: "anyone who codes such a bot" doesn't exist yet 18:04 habeangur IhrFussel: let's forget about it 18:05 IhrFussel Well some seem to think the bots do exist and they play on their servers 18:06 * twoelk imagines a herd of bots connecting to servers to build an empire - waiting to escape the virtuell world 18:08 habeangur twoelk: cool 18:08 habeangur twoelk: we need a team of AI experts first 18:09 habeangur an API would be fine too 18:10 twoelk didn't the freeminer guys use some bots for connection stress tests? can't remember wether the avatars moved though 18:14 habeangur really? 18:15 habeangur twoelk: more info pls 18:16 * twoelk runs and hides 18:18 IhrFussel habeangur, you seem to have no clue about programming bots and just wait for someone to feed you the source code 18:18 habeangur IhrFussel: no 18:19 habeangur IhrFussel: I don't want to start this timekiller low priority project now 18:19 habeangur (which some people say this doesn't make sense) 18:20 habeangur IhrFussel: but If there is already such thing, I would like to know about it 18:20 IhrFussel Well I said that because the way you described your bot ideas didn't sound like the bots would have any purpose... twoelk just mentioned another purpose for bots: stress tests 18:22 habeangur IhrFussel: let's simply forget my bot idea 18:24 twoelk nah, rather go on and make a list off things a bot could be used for - others might get interested - you are not the first playing with the idea 18:38 habeangur twoelk: my idea is to make an API, then people can do whatever they want with it 18:41 habeangur twoelk: map extractor, spaming and attacking the server(not good but it will be possible...), act like a human, act like a mob, trading, attacking other players, hirable(as a soldier?or the one who defends your home), etc 18:42 habeangur twoelk: but all these can be a lot easier done simply via mods 19:18 sy MinetestBot! 19:18 MinetestBot sy! 19:18 sy wow that was fast 19:28 jcjordyn120 is there any way to password protect a server? 19:29 jcjordyn120 not the users, but the server itself? 19:29 Krock https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L1095 19:30 Krock ^ jcjordyn120, only valid for new users but I think that's fine too, isn't it? 19:30 Krock otherwise you don't need to announce it on the list 19:38 MinetestBot Errante: Aug-26 16:00 UTC I run my server since May 2016 and I see no real difference between the behavior of mobile users now and pre-prefix names era... I highly doubt that the p0layers with the Names + numbers are "bots": 1. They seem to normally walk around 2. They seem to try to attack others 3. They ALWAYS find the correct way to a certain house or building 19:40 Errante got a gnubox, but it runs lua 5.3 :( 19:47 Errante irc mod seens to ask for lua 5.1 19:48 sfan5 minetest can't use anything other than lua 5.1 19:51 Errante :( downloading lua 5.1 sources. could it be 5.1.5? 19:53 sfan5 it can't link to system-wide lua either 19:53 sfan5 you're best off just installing luajit 19:59 Errante luajit is avaliable 20:34 Fixer lol 20:34 Fixer speaking about bots 20:34 Fixer i've joined dcbl server and found out strange player, its chat was very strange 20:34 Fixer like from neural network bot 20:44 habeangur Fixer: how it was strange? 20:44 Fixer strange unnatural language 20:45 habeangur Fixer: I've seen many strange people on Liberty Land 20:45 Fixer maybe text was even translated 20:46 habeangur Fixer: yea 20:46 habeangur Fixer: I've seen these 20:46 habeangur strange language 20:47 habeangur 3 years old language 20:47 habeangur I mean they are like a baby who just started speaking! 20:58 * Raven262 has seen worse. 21:01 Raven262 Fixer, ever happened to you that some random player stalks you around the map, doesn't speak and does strange things (placing blocks around in patterns). When you try to communicate with it, it ignores you as if it doesn't understand a word. But sometimes, while you are being stalked by it on a regular basis, it lets out a few words. The thing is that these few words can always have a variety of meanings, and are not in any way 21:01 Raven262 connected to the current situation. There, that was the strangest experience i had in minetest yet (stayed there just to see what will happen :P) 21:04 habeangur Raven262: I didn't see such player, but I've heard of a player who was making walls around other players 21:04 Raven262 That can be seen around all the time 21:05 habeangur twoelk|2: twoelkv1.0 is good enough, we don't need the 2nd version 21:05 Raven262 some servers allow players to suffocate each other by placing them inside walls :P 21:05 habeangur heh 21:07 habeangur Raven262: I think hitting them via sword is easier than making a wall around them, they can teleport anyway. 21:08 Raven262 well, yea 21:09 habeangur Raven262: but making a TNT wall around them would be good, but many servers disable tnt :( 21:09 Raven262 Cause of laaaaaaag 21:09 Raven262 A good thing i think 21:10 habeangur Raven262: because of lag they disable it? 21:10 Raven262 Yep 21:10 Raven262 You can't avoid protection using tnt 21:11 Raven262 so this is the only reason. 21:12 habeangur Raven262: how I can't avoid protection? 21:12 habeangur I place it near the unclaimed land, then BOOM! 21:12 Raven262 It won't damage the protected area :P 21:13 Raven262 Ask tenplus1 when hes around 21:13 Raven262 He is working on those stuff 21:13 habeangur Raven262: ok 21:14 habeangur Raven262: but so bad, not for me but for bad pupil 21:14 Raven262 xD 21:15 habeangur Raven262: the other reason which admins may want to disable it, is that usage of it overground makes it ugly 21:15 MinetestBot 02[git] 04tenplus1 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: TNT: Add explode_center flag 13fe67ffd https://git.io/v53Cf (152017-08-26T21:14:44Z) 21:15 habeangur wow 21:16 habeangur Raven262: we where talking about TnT and tenplus1 and ... 21:16 rubenwardy lol 21:16 Raven262 The things are happening all the time :P 21:16 rubenwardy I also meant to merge that about 20 minutes ago 21:16 rubenwardy *I actually 21:17 habeangur why you mt developers don't simply merge PRs? 21:17 Raven262 They all have to agree 21:17 rubenwardy we announce that we're going to merge something usually 10 minutes in advance 21:18 habeangur no no 21:18 rubenwardy to avoid conflicts (multiple people merging at the same time) 21:18 habeangur I mean in Github you don't simply click the merge button, someone else commits with one of you and then PR is closed 21:19 rubenwardy heh, it varies 21:19 habeangur someone else is the one who opened PR 21:21 rubenwardy I tend to use the button unless I'm the author of the PR 21:21 rubenwardy as if I merge my own PRs using a buttons it says authored with GitHub 21:22 habeangur what? 21:22 habeangur rubenwardy: authored with Github? 22:51 botch I don't suppose anyone uses a touchscreen device for Minetest do you? 22:53 botch ... 22:54 sfan5 on desktop likely not 22:54 sfan5 mobile sure 22:54 Errante I believe the number of mobiles outgrow the number of keyboards 22:55 botch Cool...My specific question is, can you see the minimap on a touchscreen device or is that only an option on a pc/linux/apple option? 22:55 Errante I could activate through minetest.conf 22:55 sfan5 minimap should work 22:55 Errante you* 22:56 botch I use the pc (sometimes) the linux laptop and iMac but I have no experience on a touch screen device. 22:56 botch Could you tell me how to pull up the minimap on a touchscreen device? 22:56 Errante I did run it on a galaxy pocket 22:56 Errante idk 22:56 botch I think all the other controls on a touchscreen device for Minetest is on the internet, but that specifically is not mentioned 22:57 Errante enable_minimap