Time  Nick         Message
01:18 skrp         im trying to make a teleportation-restriction for the warp mod
01:18 skrp         the player gets granted access to tp to specific location, determined by admin.
01:19 skrp         an explict table of players that are allowed that waypoint
01:40 MinetestBot  02[git] 04ForbiddenJ -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Torches: Make liquids drop torches as items 133294a2a https://git.io/v7oBj (152017-08-07T01:38:31Z)
01:41 bigfoot547   Yay
01:41 bigfoot547   a long awaited feature :P
01:44 bigfoot547   (I'm not dissing it, it actually seems neat)
02:54 Sokomine     no, it isn't neat. i don't like such features
02:55 VanessaE     maybe what minetest needs now is a special "airlock" node to replace doors underwater :)
02:55 Sokomine     darkness makes it impossible to build or explore. the world is pretty useless without torches
02:55 VanessaE     (torches of course already have replacements e.g. mese lamps/posts
02:55 VanessaE     )
02:56 Sokomine     not fast enough to place in sufficient quantity, too expensive, not that good looking. it's just light..ought to be cheap
02:56 VanessaE     yeah but torches underwater? :)
02:57 VanessaE     what we need really is better, wider light spread
02:57 VanessaE     so that one can make a super-bright source that illuminates a couple mapblocks' worth of space (like one of those "million candlepower" spotlights)
02:59 Sokomine     there's that very bright "sun" mod. it works by setting air blocks to light emitting blocks. also a bit lagging due to that
03:00 VanessaE     nah, that's hacky as hell
03:00 Sokomine     i recently tried to light up a really large cave in an attempt to get a potential building place for cave houses. took far too much time. eventually i made all ores light-emitting. underground now looks...intresting :-)
03:00 Sokomine     yes, it is. but it's also nicely bright indoors
03:00 VanessaE     heh
04:53 Guest4529    Anyone here want ot help me with a lua problem?
04:55 Guest4529    I'm trying to call minetest.register_globalstep in the local space of a file that is called by dofile(). Here's the minetest post I made that explains it better: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=18251
10:15 joenas[m]    hey guys. i created a mod to bridge minetest to matrix.org (kinda like IRC). if anyone would care to take a look and give some feedback or ideas for improvement it would be awesome :)
10:16 joenas[m]    https://github.com/diggers-mt/minetest-matrix/tree/request_insecure_environment
10:17 Krock        needs Windows installation instructions :P  (troll comment)
10:17 Krock        would be great to have the functionality of the IRC mod for matrix too
10:20 Krock        Is there a forum topic yet? It'll spread much faster there
10:23 jas3         hi
10:33 Krock        hello jas3
10:37 jas3         hi krock.  how are you?
10:38 jas3         how are things?
10:45 joenas[m]    >needs Windows installation instructions :P  (troll comment)
10:45 joenas[m]    PR welcome ;)
10:46 joenas[m]    Krock (IRC): Nope no forum yet, figures it isn't really stable atm
10:47 joenas[m]    The mod security made things.... complicated
11:07 Krock        joenas[m], like the IRC mod, I doubt modules can be loaded without ugly workarounds on Windows
11:11 joenas[m]    Ah I see
11:12 joenas[m]    Uglier than the ones it had to use for *nix? :)
11:12 joenas[m]    I*
11:40 Krock        yeah, I think so :3
11:42 Tirifto      Does the term “flags” refer to parameters of sorts?
11:48 calcul0n     Tirifto, that depends on the context, a flag is generally a boolean value
11:48 Tirifto      I got “Please enter a comma seperated list of flags.”
11:49 Tirifto      (Verifying translations at the moment.)
11:49 calcul0n     ho, so yes i guess it's a function parameter
11:50 calcul0n     or for a chat command or something
11:51 Tirifto      Got it; thanks!
12:26 Tirifto      Any idea what “IME” stands for?
12:36 Krock        intelligent machine entity?
12:37 Tirifto      Thank you! In turn, what does that mean?
12:38 Krock        no idea. I just made it up. it could mean anything.
12:39 Tirifto      Oh :P
12:39 Krock        context please. that's quite important with abbreviations
12:43 Tirifto      Certainly!
12:44 Tirifto      Strings: “IME Accept”; “IME Convert”; “IME Escape”; “IME Mode Change”; “IME Nonconvert”
12:44 Tirifto      All from this file: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/keycode.cpp#L0
12:54 sfan5        Tirifto: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Input_method_editor
12:54 sfan5        just keep those untranslated
13:02 Tirifto      sfan5: Thanks! So those are invisible to the user/player?
13:03 sfan5        they can appear in the key change menu in theory
13:04 sfan5        but since european languages don't use IMEs that is practically impossible
13:06 rdococ       Yay for translation!
13:06 rdococ       Look! This text underwent translation and it's now off to the side!
13:07 Tirifto      I see.
13:43 MinetestBot  02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Singleplayer: Pause game in the key change dialog 13154b61a https://git.io/v7KsZ (152017-08-07T13:29:46Z)
13:46 redblade7    hi
13:46 redblade7    i was recommended a "bartertables" mod by players on my server
13:47 redblade7    i cant find such a mod, other than part of "currency and economy"
13:47 redblade7    except that attempting to access "currency and economy" from krock's page says "you are not authorized to read this forum"
13:47 redblade7    Krock
13:48 redblade7    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7002
13:49 Krock        o.o
13:49 redblade7    i found this just now
13:49 redblade7    https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=17884&hilit=currency
13:49 redblade7    "I would guess the thread has been deleted."
13:50 redblade7    does this mean the mod is not maintained?
13:50 redblade7    it appears to be maintained by VanessaE
13:50 redblade7    as a fork
13:50 redblade7    it's not a realbadangel mdo
13:50 redblade7    it's credited to "Dan Duncombe"
13:50 Krock        https://web.archive.org/web/20160403113102/https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=7002
13:52 Krock        the attachment is gone too.. I could look on my old HDD whether I have a copy of it
13:52 Krock        if that's important
13:54 redblade7    i'd rather use something maintained, if it's maintained by VanessaE  now
13:54 redblade7    is this dan duncombe person a disgruntled former player, is that why it's deleted?
13:55 redblade7    is there something else though, that does not involve this "minegeld"?
13:56 redblade7    i see "trading" but that would require somehow extracting the list of hundreds of players and adding a trading privilege to them one by one
13:56 rdococ       I was thinking of creating a currency mod for my creative (yes, creative) server. The idea is that you wouldn't be able to find it in the creative inventory.
13:57 Krock        if you only need an exchange shop, here's it: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SmallJoker/special/master/shop.lua
13:57 Krock        standalone node you can copy into your mod
13:58 Krock        hmm.. looks a bit outdated
13:59 redblade7    this maybe? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3751
14:04 redblade7    someone as of 2016 says the mod "doesn't work"
14:04 redblade7    though i dont know what that means so i'll try anyway
14:04 redblade7    "didn't work"
14:06 sy           redblade7: what are you looking for?
14:06 sy           just a shop?
14:06 redblade7    well actually i'm looking for a "barter table" for safe trade between two players, but a shop would be nice too
14:06 redblade7    i dont want the shop that involves payment of a currency
14:07 redblade7    though mining e.g. gold coins would be nice
14:07 redblade7    and i could use that for a shop
14:07 redblade7    or trade something else
14:08 sy           https://github.com/Zeg9/minetest-exchange well this is a decent exchange shop
14:08 sy           only issue with it is it doesn't time out
14:08 redblade7    doesn't time out?
14:08 sy           so if some dickwad decides to start an exchange on every table you have, they'll all be unusable for other players
14:09 redblade7    oh
14:09 redblade7    that's not good then, i guess i can shut down the server if that happens but it'd be annoying
14:09 redblade7    any other ideas?
14:10 sy           oh no you can just place the table again
14:10 sy           yeah i got another one
14:10 sy           don't grant interact to dickwads =D
14:10 redblade7    i do see this, but i'd have to add "trade" to hundreds of players manually: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13838
14:10 redblade7    no interact?
14:10 redblade7    who would not allow interact on a server?
14:10 redblade7    that's like not playing
14:10 sy           redblade7: you dont have to do it manually...
14:10 sy           redblade7: uh
14:10 sy           not everyone needs interact
14:11 redblade7    how would you play if you can't build anytihng?
14:11 sy           unless you give it by default
14:11 redblade7    you can only walk around and caht
14:11 sy           usually you need to "earn" interact
14:11 sy           by agreeing to the rules or something
14:11 sy           but if your server gives it by default then good luck
14:11 redblade7    i list the rules at spawn
14:11 redblade7    i always did
14:11 redblade7    every server (pizza, etc) allows you to build
14:11 redblade7    without tracking down the mod
14:12 redblade7    all the hundreds of people who would have to track me down just to build things
14:12 sy           https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11200 redblade7
14:13 redblade7    i've never heard of a server requirng you manually track down a mod just to be able to do anything other than chat or bop around
14:13 sy           you don't
14:13 sy           click that link
14:13 redblade7    and the rules are listed at spawn so what's the point
14:13 redblade7    i read that
14:13 redblade7    if you play you agree to the rules, which are listed at spawn
14:13 redblade7    right in front of you
14:13 sy           this isnt some EULA thing
14:13 sy           you do NOT want to let some users build
14:14 sy           because they'll decrease the quality of service for other users
14:14 sy           generally these users are of a lower intelligence
14:14 redblade7    i think that if you protect something you have the right to, and i treat my servers that way, even if it's ugly looking
14:14 sy           so by requiring them to click through some menus and force them to read the rules before building
14:14 sy           you;re mitigating this
14:14 redblade7    i only had to violate that once
14:15 redblade7    and take down an unfinished building at my spawn area which stood there with protection all over it for a year
14:15 redblade7    i dont like to be mean to other players, even if they haven't played for months
14:15 redblade7    anyway
14:15 redblade7    and regardless hundreds (and on my creative server ,probably thousands) of players have interact
14:16 redblade7    so it would be impossible
14:16 redblade7    and incredibly mean
14:16 sy           yeah now it would be
14:16 redblade7    that mod you showed me seems pointless anyway. just in my opinion
14:16 redblade7    if they will grief they will grief
14:16 redblade7    if they will break the rules they will break the rules
14:16 redblade7    anyway
14:17 redblade7    back to discussion of shop and barter ideas
14:19 redblade7    let me see what pizza server uses
14:19 redblade7    i remember "new pizza" having one of its own
14:20 redblade7    that didnt include a currency
14:22 redblade7    pizza uses smartshop, but everyone on the forum is talking about crashing
14:29 redblade7    i guess for the trading, i can use the gunship mod but comment out the need for trade privilege
14:37 redblade7    ok i found two good looking ones i will try
14:37 redblade7    for trading, gunshippenguin's mod (with the trade privilege requirement edited out): https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13838
14:38 redblade7    and for a shop, rnd's fork of simple shop: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=14872&hilit=simple+shop
14:38 redblade7    will try both
14:43 rdococ       Who wants me to try building a fizz-buzz program in my RMod's scriptblock system?
14:53 redblade7    oh btw Krock your search page doesnt include the spun off nyancats/pb&j pup
14:54 Krock        what's the link to them?
14:55 Krock        perhaps they're in a wrong forum
14:59 Krock        from what I see there's no forum topic about it and mods on GitHub aren't fetched yet
15:04 sy           I'm getting attempt to call field 'register_craft' (a nil value) when I try to start with technic
15:07 Krock        technic.register_craft or minetest.register_craft?
15:07 Krock        or any other mod might implement its own crafting funcion
15:09 sy           neither
15:09 sy           just register_craft lol
15:10 sy           oh
15:10 sy           unified_inventory.register_craft({
15:12 redblade7    it doesnt have its own topic/thread but it's mentioned on a few posts in threads about the nyancats/pb&j pup drama
15:12 redblade7    let me find it
15:13 sy           commented that out now it works
15:15 redblade7    Second post here: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=17664&hilit=pb%26j+pup
15:15 redblade7    https://github.com/tenplus1/pbj_pup
15:16 redblade7    it includes both nyancat & pbj_pup, with nyancat rainbow used for both (no candy)
15:27 KaadmY       Calinou: versioning currently uses 0.4.15 -> 0.4.15=dev -> 0.4.16
15:27 sy           what does this digiline chest do?
15:27 sy           oh it sends events
15:27 sy           couldn've guessed
15:58 sy           https://0x0.st/daK.webm remote detonation
15:59 sy           clearly not remote enough but pretty neat
16:04 jas2         Players: 491/772 Servers: 212/236 <-- what this 236 max number of servers? :D
16:04 jas2         (top of servers.minetest.net)
16:06 Tirifto      What does “inventory image hack” do?
16:07 sy           jas2: yes
16:07 sy           maximum it's ever seen
16:08 sy           not the maximum there can be
16:08 jas2         nice numbers!
16:08 jas2         thx that's cool
16:59 rdococ       could I announce a server without port-forwarding it?
16:59 rdococ       and would they be able to join or not?
17:00 sy           no
17:00 sy           the list checks
17:18 sofar        rdococ: you could if it's not on a private subnet...
20:21 ThomasMonroe sounds like a memory management problem
20:21 ThomasMonroe probably with the frustum culling
20:26 Bubba_       Is there anything I can do to check either of those?
20:29 Bubba_       Or any paticultar mods knows to cause this so I know to avoid?
20:39 Fixer        Bubba_: what game version?
20:39 Bubba_       Latest
20:39 Bubba_       0.4.16
20:39 Fixer        Bubba_: what is your vrange?
20:39 swift110     hey guys
20:39 Fixer        Bubba_: is render all enabled?
20:39 Fixer        swift110: minetest is doing
20:40 Bubba_       view range is default. i don't even know what render all is
20:40 Fixer        Bubba_: R key
20:40 Bubba_       that is the range isn't it?
20:40 Fixer        yes
20:41 Bubba_       It does it with max range or not
20:42 Fixer        Bubba_: it renders everything
20:42 Fixer        Bubba_: show your minetest.conf on pastebin
20:42 Fixer        http://pastebin.com/
20:46 swift110     ok
20:53 Bubba_       Fixer: https://pastebin.com/fzYqbM4J
20:54 sfan5        tried turning down fsaa?
20:54 sfan5        comments in .conf files being with # btw
20:55 Bubba_       I added the comment to paste it isn't in the actual config file.
20:56 Bubba_       Yup i have tried fsaa on all settings.
20:56 sfan5        anyway i don't see anything wrong with your config
20:57 Fixer        Bubba_: in game press F5 and make sure "range_all" is 0, and vrange is in reasonable range (like 100-240...)
20:57 Fixer        Bubba_: you can remove wanted_fps = 60 / fps_max = 60 / enable_clouds = false / enable_3d_clouds = false / vsync = true
20:57 Fixer        from config
20:57 Bubba_       Fixer: it says v_range is 100.0 and range_all is 0
20:58 Bubba_       I will remove that from it now
20:58 Fixer        and you still have 15 fps?
20:58 Fixer        are you on linux or smth?
20:58 Bubba_       Windows 10
20:58 bigfoot547   Bubba_: Oh no
20:59 * bigfoot547 hands Bubba_ a Debian install disk
20:59 Bubba_       I might not explained right, but the 15 ish fpt isn't constant. Only in those senerios
20:59 Fixer        Bubba_: I have like core i3 + amd hd6870 and have very good fps
20:59 sfan5        like i said perf isn't supposed to be this bad, most likely a bug
20:59 Bubba_       bigfoot547: as much as i would love to run linux; to many games don't work on it
21:00 Fixer        Bubba_: try lowering that fsaa thing
21:00 bigfoot547   yeah :P
21:00 Fixer        Bubba_: minimap is disabled?
21:01 Bubba_       Yup i do'nt use it.
21:01 Bubba_       It makes it worst lol
21:01 Fixer        yes
21:01 Fixer        Bubba_: anyway, you should expect solid 65 fps on default config even on vrange 240
21:01 sofar        65?
21:02 sofar        strange number, most displays are 60Hz
21:02 Fixer        maybe it is 60, i don't remember, look up the code
21:03 Fixer        Bubba_: what mods do you have?
21:03 Fixer        Bubba_: stuff like weather, mods with particles...
21:03 sofar        update gfx drivers & reboot :)
21:04 sofar        screen resolution?
21:04 Fixer        1920*1080
21:04 Bubba_       Drivers are update and 1080
21:05 Fixer        Bubba_: your PC should handle minetest very well, not sure what is the problem, can you show some screenshot during that bug with F5 enabled and F6 enabled?
21:05 Bubba_       Mods are homedecor, 3d armor, worldedit, unifieddyes, travelnet, hudbars, moreblocks, unified_inventory,
21:06 Fixer        Bubba_: do you have running faucets by any chance? %)
21:06 Bubba_       i dont think so but ill check to make sure because im not 100% sure.
21:06 Bubba_       Bear with me on responces though kids coming home and today was their first day back.
21:07 sofar        my suggestion: remove minetest.conf and create a new singleplayer world, start that and look at FPS
21:07 sfan5        random other idea: run the server separate from the client
21:07 sofar        but I doubt mods are to blame
21:10 Fixer        sfan5: is not he just runs server and plays it as well within it?
21:10 Fixer        i mean Server tab
21:11 sofar        server doesn't influence fps, unless his i7 is secretly an rpi
21:11 sofar        what gfx card again?
21:12 Bubba_       r9 380
21:13 Bubba_       when i play its in local game tab with Host server checked because my kids play with me from antoerh computer
21:13 Bubba_       play with me from another comptuer *sometimes
21:17 sfan5        sofar is right tho that shouldn't affect perf in any way
21:34 Bubba_       I think i found the problem.
21:34 Bubba_       I think it was from pressing the "R" like mention before.
21:35 Bubba_       http://i.imgur.com/w7vpxFD.png
21:36 Genshin      lo guys o/
21:37 sofar        yes, that can ruin your framerate obviously, as you're effectively removing the max view range
21:37 Genshin      Was Bubba_ enabling full rendering?
21:39 Bubba_       Genshin: what do you mean?
21:39 Bubba_       I pressed the R button if that is what you mean. That dropped the fps
21:39 Genshin      Isn't R key used for full rendering?
21:40 sfan5        yes
21:40 Genshin      if so that does affect frame rate depending on the system you are running.
21:42 Fixer        lol 2400 mapblocks rendered
21:42 Fixer        9+E006 vertices
21:42 Fixer        lolol
21:42 sfan5        !c 9*(10**6)
21:42 MinetestBot  9000000
21:42 Fixer        I already have like 20 fps at 2E06 vertices
21:43 Bubba_       I don't even know what that means, lol
21:43 Fixer        Bubba_: if you want bigger view range, adjust via +/- numpad keys, nobody uses R in general play, it is for special circumstances only
21:44 Fixer        Bubba_: vrange 240 should be fine for you, or even more
21:44 * Genshin    tried minetest on 4K for the first time.
21:45 Bubba_       I changed that to the 240 and it is better for sure. it is going 40-55 when looking back at where I just left and looking forward holds 60
21:47 Fixer        "enabled full view range" - i wonder if this message can be confusing to some people
21:47 Bubba_       It is.
21:47 Bubba_       I just thought it let me see more distance.
21:47 Genshin      Should be renamed as "Full rendering disabled" imo
21:48 Fixer        I will open an issue about that
21:49 Genshin      hmm, how about "Full Block Rendering"?
22:43 Natechip     If I wanted to have someone take damage with a on_rightclick on a node what would be my best bet to add?
22:50 Natechip     never mind
22:50 Natechip     I got it