Time  Nick          Message
03:02 Arkmabat      Hello, I'm wondering the best way to setup a survival game with enemies
10:04 bashboi       hello
10:04 bashboi       is minetest a framework?
10:09 ph3-der-loewe hm?
10:10 bashboi       bc is neither a game nor a game engine, imo
10:52 bashboi       hello krock
10:53 Krock         hi... bashboi ?
10:53 bashboi       yeah?
10:54 Krock         just wondered if we know eachother or if it was just a random hello :3
10:55 bashboi       i think i saw here sometime ago
10:55 bashboi       saw you*
10:56 bashboi       btw can i ask you a question?
11:00 Krock         don't ask to ask
11:00 Milan[m]      lol.. i've updated my server to git master so it's the same as my client now. instead of being one node too high, my playermodel is now one node too deep o.O
11:01 Krock         Milan[m], also update MTG to current HEAD
11:02 bashboi       is minetest a framework?
11:07 Krock         no, it's a game. Well, if a framework, then from the perspective of a modder
11:07 bashboi       wasn't it a game engine?
11:07 Milan[m]      Krock: but i did :o
11:08 Krock         a game engine that makes it possible to extend the contents using mods
11:09 bashboi       but if i make a game with a game engine (like unity) i don't need to have the engine installed to play the game that i make; this doesn't work for mt
11:09 bashboi       that i made*
11:09 Krock         Irrlicht + Lua -> Minetest -> Lua API -> Lua Mods
11:10 bashboi       what?
11:10 Krock         it's all linked together and depends on each other
11:10 bashboi       so?...
11:10 Krock         you can't run Lua mods without Minetest
11:10 bashboi       yes
11:10 bashboi       this also works with subgames
11:13 bashboi       so if you need minetest to run lua mods, minetest can't be considered as game engine
11:14 bashboi       bc you don't need the engine to play something which has been created with that tecnologies
11:15 Krock         what exactly is your point or question?
11:16 bashboi       if minetest can be called a framework
11:18 bashboi       bc a framework is a program that acts as an intermediary between the os and a generic software, which is what mt does
11:22 LBPHacker     well, if its fits your description of framework, why not call it a framework?
11:23 bashboi       in fact that is what i want to do, but i wanted to know if i were wrong about it
11:24 bashboi       btw why "my definition"?
11:26 LBPHacker     because framework is one of those things I've never actually checked the definition of, so technically I can't be sure whether it's a globally accepted definition or it's just yours. saying it's yours doesn't imply that it's not globally accepted though, so I chose to say that
11:29 XeonSquared   I mean, we could call it a mod engine :^)
11:29 XeonSquared   an engine for running mods
11:30 bashboi       man i looked at wikipedia XD
11:30 bashboi       i think it's trustable, doesn't it?
11:30 LBPHacker     fore simple definitions, yeah, most of the time
11:31 LBPHacker     for*, lol. reflexes getting in the way
11:34 Milan[m]      we figured out that the hitbox is still fine but the model is one block too deep. i assume the camera height is correct
11:36 bashboi       mhanz
15:18 Milan[m]      okey i figured out that the player model in my minetestgame differs from the original one - this is quite odd as all commits on this file(s) are present...
15:20 Milan[m]      eww but it didn't solve it (it works with the regular game)
15:22 NiklasHD      Hi
15:25 Krock         hi NiklasSD
15:29 Milan[m]      looks like it is not even related to the default mod as i just replaced it completly for testing
15:34 stujones11    Milan[m]: If you are using my armor mod you will need to update the models, see the forum topic.
15:36 Milan[m]      hi stujones11 this was my first idea but it does not help - even removing this mod does not help... there must be something else conflicting...the hard question is what
15:45 Milan[m]      actually latest 3darmor does not work with charactercreator, stujones11 :/
15:45 Milan[m]      https://haste.tchncs.de/raw/ijatosecak
15:48 stujones11    I'm pretty sure it used to work with that but it has probably not been updated yet.
15:48 stujones11    I was unable to open that link, btw
15:51 Milan[m]      ServerError: AsyncErr: environment_Step: Runtime error from mod 'character_creator' in callback environment_Step(): ...st/games/technicworld/mods/3d_armor/3d_armor/api.lua:199: bad argument #1 to 'pairs' (table expected, got nil)
15:51 Milan[m]      ...what kind of error while opening the link? :o
16:04 stujones11    I just get a blank page, that error is coming from character creator but I will look into it
16:15 stujones11    Okay, it looks like it is calling `set_player_armor` before the player armor inventory has been initialized.
16:16 stujones11    I will include a check for this asap.
16:20 stujones11    For now you can add `if not list then return end` before line 199, should do it ;)
16:22 Krock         or  list = list or {}, even shorter
16:22 stujones11    ^
17:46 MinetestBot   02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Dungeons: Use biome 'node_stone' if normal stone types not detected 13b20d01a https://git.io/v7lPS (152017-07-30T17:40:55Z)
17:46 MinetestBot   02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: GenericCAO: Fix dark model below y = 0 13238d752 https://git.io/v7lPH (152017-07-30T17:40:45Z)
17:46 MinetestBot   02[git] 04lhofhansl -> 03minetest/minetest: Darkness detection: Reduce chance of false positives darkening the sk… 13d1a1304 https://git.io/v7lPQ (152017-07-30T17:28:16Z)
17:46 MinetestBot   02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest: Make direct item selection keys freely bindable 13640ba77 https://git.io/v7lP7 (152017-07-30T17:24:45Z)
18:05 Milan[m]      thanks Krock & stujones11, will try it :)
18:31 MinetestBot   02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Carts: Check for last pathfinder predition too 138f1f376 https://git.io/v7l1p (152017-07-30T17:55:36Z)
18:57 H4mlet        Hello, is there a mapgen7 setting that prevents the generation of floating isles?
18:58 Krock         worlds/your_world/map_meta.txt   find the setting "mgv7_spflags" and add "nofloatlands"
18:59 Krock         however, they're already disabled by default
19:01 Krock         but this will only be applied on new generated terrain
19:01 H4mlet        odd, I keep getting these; editing the file, creating a new map, thank you
19:02 Krock         !next
19:02 MinetestBot   Another satisfied customer. Next!
19:04 H4mlet        as you said, it's already set; however it seems being ignored. bug?
19:05 Krock         before writing an issue on github: rename map.sqlite to make sure Minetest will generate new areas for sure
19:07 Krock         I believe what you see is a 3d noise artefact - they're a result of the map generating algorithm and are too complicated to "fix"
19:08 Krock         valleys, carpathian and the plain classic mgv6 won't have them
19:08 Krock         (AFAIK, only entirely sure about v6)
19:09 H4mlet        well, I've deleted the old world, created a new one, didn't started it yet, opened map_meta.txt
19:09 H4mlet        mg_flags = nocaves, nodungeons, light, decorations
19:09 H4mlet        I'm adding nofloatlands
19:09 H4mlet        then I'll start the game and see
19:10 Krock         wrong setting
19:10 Krock         you have to modify "mgv7_spflags"
19:10 Krock         if there's none, add it. here are the default values: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L1398
19:11 H4mlet        ooops, thanks for the advice, getting the example
19:11 Krock         going off now. good luck!
19:11 H4mlet        thank you!