Time  Nick          Message
01:06 MinetestBot   02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Mgv5/v7/fractal: Add 'large_cave_depth' parameter to replace fixed value 13b823709 https://git.io/vQU7G (152017-06-21T00:58:04Z)
01:06 MinetestBot   02[git] 04nybble41 -> 03minetest/minetest: Inventory: Make addItem for empty ItemStacks respect max stack size 13e6a9e60 https://git.io/vQU7Z (152017-06-21T00:53:57Z)
01:56 AntumDeluge   To de-register/delete an item from the game, is all I have to do is remove it from the 'minetest.registered_items' & 'minetest.registered_craftitems' tables? Or is there more to it? The only method that I found is 'minetest.override_item', but that registers the same item name with a different definition. I want to completely remove an item from the game without having to modify the original mod that created it.
02:06 AlexYst       AntumDeluge: Deleting them from the tables isn't enough. Hold on, I think I saw the function you need. I'll look it up.
02:07 AlexYst       AntumDeluge: minetest.unregister_item(name)
02:08 * KaadmY      stares
02:08 AlexYst       Don't even bother with the tables, that function will clean all that out for you when it does the rest of its thing.
02:09 AlexYst       KaadmY: Hmm?
02:09 KaadmY        Oh, just the name seemed kinda obvious in hindsight :P
02:10 AlexYst       Ha ha, yeah, I just searched the doc file for "unregister". I was fairly certain that's what the name was, but wanted to be sure before giving any advice.
02:11 AntumDeluge   Thank you AlexYst, I guess the wiki isn't up to date?
02:11 AlexYst       AntumDeluge: Yeah, the wiki's not up to date. I've been running into outdated information in the wiki too, but there doesn't seem to be a way to register an account there to update it.
02:12 AntumDeluge   Thank you, I appreciate your help.
02:12 AlexYst       Yeah, no problem.
03:12 tumeninodes   can anyone help this user on an android build? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17937
03:13 tumeninodes   not sure if they know how t connect to irc. so I am asking for them. has no sun or moon in sky
03:15 tumeninodes   and is not using skybox mod. thank you
03:15 Miner_48er    Are they using the official app? If so what version?
03:16 tumeninodes   Miner_48er, I am not sure. I know zilch regarding the android build. I mentioned for them to come here but, they may not know how.
03:17 tumeninodes   they are asking for help on the forum post
03:24 tumeninodes   Miner_48er, thank you. nite
03:24 Miner_48er    ok posted a link to the IRC
03:25 Miner_48er    thank you
03:25 tumeninodes   sounds like a really odd issue
03:26 bigfoot547    Lol tumeninodes doesn't have a IRC client
03:31 tumeninodes   bigfoot547, thpltpltpltplt :D
03:32 bigfoot547    bhlsib
03:34 tumeninodes   not nice to poke fun at the elderly :P
03:34 bigfoot547    Ur elderly?
03:34 tumeninodes   nah, just lazy
03:34 bigfoot547    lol
03:34 bigfoot547    Me too
03:34 tumeninodes   lazy rules!
03:36 bigfoot547    Hi
03:36 wilkgr        hi
03:36 tumeninodes   registering split personalities?
03:36 bigfoot547    Maybe
03:37 bigfoot547    but they would be named something like this
03:37 tumeninodes   wait... don;t do i.... uh, nvm
03:38 bigfoot547    Yep
03:38 tumeninodes   maybe I'll use tumeninads
03:39 bigfoot547    You can't have a hidden host besides *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.*
03:39 tumeninodes   I am so obsolete, I have not used irc since last around 2009
03:40 bigfoot547    So *!*@gateway/web/freenode/* and *!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/* are quieted on #minetest-dev
03:42 tumeninodes   well, ya can't have a bunch o nuts poppin in and out of -dev
03:43 bigfoot547    Yep
03:43 tumeninodes   wait??? then how do devs get in there?
03:43 tumeninodes   :D
03:44 bigfoot547    They use an IRC client and an unaffiliated cloak/hidden host
03:44 tumeninodes   sneaky buggers
03:44 bigfoot547    Just go onto #freenode and ask for an unaffiliated cloak/
03:44 bigfoot547    Then you can be cool
03:45 bigfoot547    ~bigfoot54@unaffiliated/bigfoot547
03:45 tumeninodes   is too lazy to be cool
03:45 tumeninodes   I was already cool once...
03:45 bigfoot547    Naw, it's not hard
03:47 bigfoot547    Because you might not want ~smuxi@2601:18c:cf7f:a640:c566:b87c:2bbb:8c55 to be your hidden host
03:47 tumeninodes   but that's mah name
03:47 bigfoot547    smuxi?
03:48 tumeninodes   it was supposed to be schmuck but... wouldnt allow it
03:48 tumeninodes   haha
03:48 tumeninodes   smuxi would be a cool name though
03:50 bigfoot547    2601:18c:cf7f:a640:c566:b87c:2bbb:8c55 must be some sort of encryption key
03:50 tumeninodes   not sure, never used smuxi before
03:52 tumeninodes   I can't remember which client I used back in 2009
03:53 bigfoot547    hexchat!
03:53 tumeninodes   I don't think so
03:54 tumeninodes   man my brain is so fried :P
03:54 tumeninodes   it would have been the default for PCLinuxOS back then
03:55 bigfoot547    xchat
03:55 tumeninodes   this smuxi may be a bit more than what I need
03:57 tumeninodes   possibly
03:57 bigfoot547    Just ask for an unaffiliated cloak for schmuck. They'll hook you up ;)
03:57 tumeninodes   hahahaha
03:58 tumeninodes   they must be a bit more reserved regarding names now though, compared to back then
03:58 tumeninodes   freenode was a bit more laid back then
03:59 bigfoot547    Yeah, they were a bit more laid
03:59 bigfoot547    back then
04:00 tumeninodes   weren't we all???
04:00 bigfoot547    loool
04:00 tumeninodes   o_o
04:02 tumeninodes   did you ever try smuxi?
04:03 bigfoot547    Did you ever try google feud?
04:03 tumeninodes   no
04:03 bigfoot547    Oh,
04:03 bigfoot547    I'm sorry for your loss :(
04:03 tumeninodes   family feud
04:04 bigfoot547    http://www.googlefeud.com/
04:04 tumeninodes   ha I guessed well, kinda based on the idea of family feud
04:06 bigfoot547    Well, this is good night!
04:06 tumeninodes   late here... and old folk gotsta sleep
04:08 tumeninodes   ttyl
05:51 MinetestBot   02[git] 04Ezhh -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix console resize issue when maximising game window (#6023) 1376074ad https://git.io/vQTvy (152017-06-21T05:50:57Z)
06:06 MinetestBot   02[git] 04Dumbeldor -> 03minetest/minetest: C++11 cleanup on constructors dir client (#6012) 13af3badf https://git.io/vQTf6 (152017-06-21T06:04:45Z)
06:29 MinetestBot   02[git] 04Dumbeldor -> 03minetest/minetest: C++11 cleanup on constructors dir network (#6021) 138daf5b5 https://git.io/vQTUe (152017-06-21T06:28:57Z)
08:34 sigz          I found a "language" option in minetest.conf, I changed it to "fr" but it didn't changed language in gui. What is this parameter intended for ? (is there a way to change the default gui language?)
08:35 Calinou       sigz: is your build compiled with gettext support? if not, only English is supported
08:35 Calinou       else, many more languages are supported (including French, which should be automatically used if it's the system language)
08:37 sigz          I used the archlinux build
08:38 sigz          I didn't compiler anything
08:38 sigz          compiled
08:38 sigz          I have no idea if it's compiled with gettext
08:49 MinetestBot   02[git] 04juhdanad -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix render order of overlays (#6008) 1312aad73 https://git.io/vQTs6 (152017-06-21T08:47:31Z)
08:55 sfan5         sigz: the archlinux build should support gettext
08:56 sfan5         and it definitely works for me
09:21 sigz          ok the aur/minetest-git package works with translations for me
09:22 sigz          but not the community/minetest
09:31 sfan5         i have the community package and it works
09:51 MinetestBot   02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Cpp11 initializers: last src root changeset (#6022) 131425c6d https://git.io/vQTlg (152017-06-21T09:51:29Z)
14:32 Raven262      Hello MinetestBot
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14:33 red-001       bye MinetestBot
14:34 Raven262      MinetestBot doesn't want to go it seems.
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14:34 Raven262      !seen red-001
14:34 MinetestBot   Raven262: red-001 was last seen at 2017-06-21 14:33:36 UTC on #minetest
14:34 Raven262      hmmm
14:34 Raven262      !seen Amaz
14:34 MinetestBot   Raven262: amaz was last seen at 2017-06-02 17:18:39 UTC on #minetest
14:34 Raven262      thats been 19 days since he left :/
14:44 Raven262      !seen it here either. maybe you should check here, there and
14:44 MinetestBot   Raven262: Sorry, I haven't seen it around.
14:44 Raven262      damn
14:44 Raven262      why are you so much more advanced than that UtterlyUseless bot?
14:45 red-001       because someone though about english grammer injection
14:46 Raven262      :P
14:46 Raven262      *grammar
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14:49 lisac         omg omg
14:50 Raven262      we are onto something
14:50 lisac         I know! Penguins have done it.
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14:50 red-001       ...
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16:21 Nexus24680    Hello?
16:22 rubenwardy    hi
16:22 Nexus24680    I'm having a problem with Minetest
16:24 Nexus24680    Before we talk, is this irc bugged or answers really take ages to come?
16:24 Nexus24680    It's just a question
16:24 Nexus24680    Not trying to be rude
16:24 VanessaE      it's working fine, Nexus24680
16:25 VanessaE      just a slow day is all
16:25 Nexus24680    Well, my Minetest problem is:
16:25 Nexus24680    I can see the sun or moon
16:25 Nexus24680    *can't
16:25 Nexus24680    I can only see sunrise and sky and clouds
16:26 Nexus24680    I've changed my subgame and texture and reinstalled and everything
16:26 Nexus24680    I'm on Android if that helps
16:26 red-001       I do seem to recall something like that being an issue
16:26 red-001       I could be wrong
16:27 Nexus24680    Any ideas on how can this be fixed?
16:27 red-001       it was something to do with openel
16:27 red-001       dunno try searching github for that issue
16:28 red-001       https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3155
16:28 red-001       yeah old issue
16:28 red-001       !title
16:28 MinetestBot   red-001: Moon, Sun and Stars on Android · Issue #3155 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
16:29 red-001       even 200$ can't convince anyone to fix it
16:29 Nexus24680    So I'm just gonna have to live with it?
16:29 Nexus24680    😥
16:29 red-001       I suppose so
16:29 Nexus24680    Anyone else knows how to fix this?
16:31 Nexus24680    I even changed the texture pack to one that has sun and moon to no avail
16:31 red-001       I think anyone that knows a fix would be quite eager to get that 200 dollar bounty
16:34 Nexus24680    Aw man
16:35 red-001       huh
16:35 red-001       I can't find where sun.png is
16:40 Nexus24680    I download another texture pack that has them
16:40 Nexus24680    It's called Vattic Faithful 32x
16:40 Nexus24680    It's for Minetest
16:41 bigfoot547    That is a good texture pack.
16:41 bigfoot547    It was converted from a minecraft one
16:41 Nexus24680    I know 😀
16:42 PureTryOut[m] Faithful is lovely
16:44 bigfoot547    The guy who made another tpack for minecraft 1.12 w/ all different textures but the same idea is possibly even better
16:45 bigfoot547    Have you seen that one?
16:45 bigfoot547    Vattic stopped updating the textures at 1.8
16:46 Nexus24680_   And it has sun and moon
16:46 Nexus24680_   .png
16:46 Nexus24680_   Files
16:46 Nexus24680_   But Mineteat for Android doesn't recognize them
16:48 Calinou       there's unofficial updates of Faithful 32x by the way
16:48 Calinou       some go to 1.11 at least
16:49 Nexus24680_   So (going back to my problem) it doesn't have a solution?
16:52 Nexus24680_   Hey TumeniNodes
16:53 tumeninodes   #Hi
16:53 Nexus24680_   Unfortunately, there's no solution
16:53 Nexus24680_   😥😥😥
16:53 tumeninodes   so, sounds like a rendering issue for android
16:53 tumeninodes   sorry
16:54 Nexus24680_   Does any of you has that in PC?
16:54 tumeninodes   do you still get the day night cycle though? just no sun and moon textures?
16:54 Nexus24680_   Yep
16:55 Nexus24680_   Full Day Night Cycle
16:55 Nexus24680_   But no Moon or Sun
16:55 tumeninodes   well, you could pretend it's just very cloudy :P
16:55 Nexus24680_   But cloudy everyday?
16:55 tumeninodes   hey! I just saw bigfoot!
16:55 Nexus24680_   😕
16:56 tumeninodes   maybe you live in U.K.?
16:56 Nexus24680_   BTW I have another problem
16:56 tumeninodes   uh oh
16:57 Nexus24680_   Everytime I generate a new map, I end up on a desert or a snow desert with no trees
16:57 Nexus24680_   I don't know if that's is a mapgen issue
16:58 tumeninodes   it's just where you're spawning, I don't know anything about the Android build
17:00 Nexus24680_   Well, the forum and this are very alike
17:01 Nexus24680_   I didn't got a solution in any of them
17:01 Nexus24680_   And responses are a little bit faster on here
17:01 Raven262      do try to change the seed.
17:01 rubenwardy    you say that, tumeninodes
17:01 rubenwardy    but I've yet to see a cloud
17:01 rubenwardy    other than a puff
17:02 Nexus24680_   OK, I have a question
17:02 tumeninodes   rubenwardy I wish I lived in the U.K. to be honest
17:02 rubenwardy    tumeninodes, https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/2gSIrIyOC.jpg
17:02 Nexus24680_   Does anyone knows how to find villages (mg_villages mod)?
17:02 Raven262      Don't you spawn in one when the game starts?
17:02 Nexus24680_   Nope
17:03 Raven262      Hmmm
17:03 Nexus24680_   Not for me
17:03 Raven262      Strange, are you sure that the mod is enabled?
17:03 rubenwardy    32°C right now, tumeninodes
17:03 tumeninodes   omg that's a beautiful scene
17:03 rubenwardy    90°F
17:03 rubenwardy    :)
17:04 rubenwardy    it's Bristol gorge
17:04 Raven262      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13589 try this one
17:04 rubenwardy    wait no, Avon gorge (in Bristol)
17:04 tumeninodes   hahaha you're lost
17:05 Nexus24680_   Yes, it's activated
17:05 tumeninodes   North East coast of U.S. we've had "off" weather
17:05 rubenwardy    tumeninodes, that photo was taken from this bridge: http://visitbristol.co.uk/imageresizer/?image=%2Fdmsimgs%2Fsuspension-3.jpg&action=ProductDetail
17:05 Nexus24680_   You know why this happens to me?
17:05 Nexus24680_   Because I'm Bat...Bugman
17:05 Raven262      lol
17:06 Raven262      I don't know if the mg_villages mod itself spawns the villages on the player spawn but the modpack maybe does.
17:06 Raven262      *village
17:06 Raven262      SInce i never used mg_villages alone
17:07 tumeninodes   omg I'm droolin
17:07 tumeninodes   closest I have to me is the French King Bridge https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_King_Bridge
17:07 tumeninodes   one of my favorite spots to go
17:08 Raven262      Hello MinetestBot
17:08 MinetestBot   sup Raven262.
17:09 Raven262      !seen lisac
17:09 MinetestBot   Raven262: lisac was last seen at 2017-06-21 14:50:27 UTC on #minetest
17:09 Raven262      ah
17:09 rubenwardy    pretty :)
17:09 tumeninodes   I used to be able to get under it on a maint. bridge which runs under but they have gated it off
17:12 tumeninodes   we have some nice things here but nothing compared to the U.K. as far as architecture
17:12 Raven262      Guess why
17:12 Raven262      UK has history
17:13 tumeninodes   Raven262 this is true
17:13 Nexus24680    Guys, what subpack you recommend me if I want Minetest to be only survival with no monsters
17:13 Raven262      That is basically why i would never want to live in the US.
17:13 Nexus24680    Just survival
17:13 Raven262      Hunger mod
17:14 Nexus24680    But with animals ofc
17:14 Raven262      YOu can enable animals without monsters afaik
17:14 Raven262      thats in mobs_redo
17:15 Nexus24680    BTW Is there any way modifying CarboneNG or AdventireTest to not have monsters
17:16 Raven262      also i would recommend: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=12845
17:16 Raven262      Ask the makers of those
17:16 Raven262      i think Calinou made carbone
17:17 Calinou       Nexus24680: there's minetest.conf settings you can set
17:17 tumeninodes   I like Carbone
17:18 Nexus24680    Well, maybe all of you know already, but I'm a newbie
17:18 Raven262      also if you like jumping/traps and scifi bases you can use: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=15199
17:18 Nexus24680    I know the basics and how to install subgames and everything
17:19 Raven262      minetest.conf is not that hard to find
17:19 Raven262      its location depends on your OS
17:20 Raven262      in linux its ~/.minetest/
17:20 Raven262      in windows its in your minetest folder
17:20 Nexus24680    Yeah, but I mean removing monsters down to the code of the mob
17:20 Nexus24680    Like recoding the mod again
17:20 Raven262      No need to do that
17:21 Raven262      there is a setting in minetest.conf which enables monsters, just set it to false instead of true and it'll work
17:21 Raven262      though i think you'll need to run carbone once for it to appear in the conf
17:24 tumeninodes   I have not checked but, did someone change the settings for destroy while in creative? seems extremely fast suddenly in 0.4.16
17:25 tumeninodes   been meaning to ask that
17:26 Nexus24680    Little question
17:26 Nexus24680    Does everyone sees your IP here?
17:26 Raven262      Possibly
17:26 Raven262      Depends on your client/settings
17:26 Raven262      Mine can be seen i think
17:26 Raven262      alternatively you can use /whois
17:28 tumeninodes   Raven I live in US and wish I didn't. More due to not liking US society much :P
17:28 Nexus24680    Like this?
17:28 rubenwardy    Nexus24680, yes
17:28 rubenwardy    the only way to stop people from seeing your IP is using a bouncer
17:28 rubenwardy    you'll see that I'm using one currently
17:29 rubenwardy    rubenwardy@gateway/shell/elitebnc/x-xuafqyuciksqnnyl
17:29 tumeninodes   I'm gonna use my neighbor's IP
17:29 rubenwardy    you can hide you IP by getting a cloak, but it's still possible to get the IP
17:29 Raven262      tumeninodes, how so? I think there are some good people anywhere, you don't have to be friend to all of them.
17:29 rubenwardy    so a bouncer (or VPN) is the only way
17:29 Nexus24680    BTW is there a way to place blocks without having to doubleclick
17:29 Nexus24680    I mean double tap
17:29 Nexus24680    Android
17:29 Raven262      Yes, use PC
17:29 Raven262      xD
17:30 Nexus24680    Funny, but seriously, is there any way?
17:30 Raven262      When i make a server, I'll most likely ban android clients.
17:30 Raven262      I don't know if there is a key bind
17:30 tumeninodes   Raven, just mostly immature, follower type personalities
17:31 Raven262      tumeninodes, thats everywhere
17:31 Raven262      thats actually how i would describe these people here
17:31 Raven262      :P
17:31 Raven262      Not all, but almost all.
17:31 tumeninodes   true, it's moreso just society as whole these days ha
17:32 Raven262      Its how it always was
17:32 tumeninodes   android is a tough customer
17:32 Raven262      Why do you people think that your time is so special?
17:32 Nexus24680    BTW Any subgames to make this behaving more like MC
17:32 Raven262      It is like any other time, and will be remembered like any other time.
17:32 tumeninodes   sorry, I switch back n forth in convo
17:32 Raven262      Yes, Nexus24680, moment i'll send you a link
17:33 Raven262      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=16407
17:34 rubenwardy    ^
17:34 rubenwardy    that's a good one
17:34 tumeninodes   I have met people from many places, and find most Americans are definitely more obnoxious than others
17:35 tumeninodes   yep, Wuzzy's doing really good job with that
17:35 Nexus24680    Does it has villages?
17:36 Raven262      Seems so.
17:37 Nexus24680    Because I'm looking for one that has villages and I can't find one
17:38 Raven262      That one should have it
17:38 Raven262      I think.
17:39 Nexus24680    OK.
17:39 Nexus24680    Let me mod that mod then
17:39 IhrFussel     Raven262, you were probably joking but if I were you I wouldn't want to exclude ~75% of the user base on my server
17:39 Raven262      Yes, i know
17:40 Raven262      Its probably 80% of clients in all of the server combined
17:40 tumeninodes   Im not sure Mineclone2 has villages as of yet
17:40 Raven262      *servers
17:40 Raven262      Well if it doesn't
17:40 Raven262      try combining it with that villages modpack
17:40 tumeninodes   there's a few villages mods
17:40 Raven262      the Sokomine's one is probably the best one
17:40 Raven262      if there are any others
17:41 IhrFussel     90% of them don't know what the heck they are doing...they don't even know that they are playing on a MT server since their app is most likely a clone ... but a few of them can actually be very cooperative and willing to learn about the whole scamming situation
17:41 tumeninodes   yes, there is a new one released the other day seems nice
17:42 Raven262      IhrFussel, on craig's server, there was this specific clone players really used often, it was based on an outdated version of minetest.
17:42 Nexus24680    I have installed like 5 villages mods and none of them work
17:42 Raven262      Craig's server used unified inventory or something
17:42 Raven262      that would crash their client instantly
17:42 tumeninodes   https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=17915 ErrorNull's work
17:42 Raven262      guess how we found the people who used the client
17:43 Raven262      ErrorNull has done nice work on villagers, rather than villages
17:43 tumeninodes   I've been corrected, sorry :P
17:44 Raven262      xD
17:44 IhrFussel     The app will crash in many situations on Android due to low RAM and too many other apps running in the background ... it can happen during connect, when opening inventory, when entering a loaded area etc
17:45 tumeninodes   Sokomine's work has been very good
17:45 IhrFussel     By loaded I mean many nodes placed especially mesh nodes are deadly on Android
17:46 Raven262      RIP homedecor and moreblocks then
17:46 rubenwardy    moreblocks doesn't have that much
17:46 rubenwardy    mostly homedecor and technic :)
17:46 Raven262      yes, i forgot technic
17:47 Raven262      That is probably one of the best mods out here, massive work has been put in it
17:47 tumeninodes   Imagine the Android devices of tomorrow
17:48 IhrFussel     There are already Android phones/tablets with 2+ GB RAM ... those have zero issues with MT servers...but look at the price of those "flagship" devices
17:48 Raven262      And android on them lol
17:48 Raven262      Better install some linux
17:48 tumeninodes   they're just running the same course as pc's did
17:49 IhrFussel     You get a smartphone with 512 MB RAM for $30 ... want 1 GB? Expect to pay at least $50 ... 2 GB RAM starts at $150 I think
17:51 Krock         or 3 gigs for $120, if you find an used phone which is still in good condition
17:51 tumeninodes   you know someone, somewhere has an android device with 16Gb ram, some unworldly processor, etc... just biding their time to hit the shelves
17:51 Raven262      Thats actually quite common here, the 2Gb RAM on android
17:51 Krock         my phone has actually 2x more cores than this PC here..
17:51 Raven262      At least i have had a tablet with 1Gb
17:52 Raven262      lol RIP PC
17:52 Raven262      specs?
17:52 tumeninodes   I bought the Nexus7 when it originally came out for my kid
17:52 IhrFussel     They are holsing back the CPUs/RAM chips because they know they can trick the customers...many people think "this is the best technology you can have in phones" NOO it's not
17:52 IhrFussel     holding*
17:53 tumeninodes   the screen got cracked at a friend's house so I took it away and forgot about it actually
17:53 Raven262      Of course its not, their evolution is a bit too slow looking from this perspective.
17:53 tumeninodes   now I find to replace the screen will cost 1/2 what I paid for it...
17:54 Raven262      Buy a new device, of course, only way with those :P
17:54 Raven262      Its all only a big evil plan on how to get money out of your pockets :P
17:54 tumeninodes   of course they do that... they think consumers are dumb..., and they are right
17:54 Raven262      Those who need a phone with 2Gb ram quite are
17:55 Raven262      I don't see a use for such a device
17:55 tumeninodes   and they know people will always pull out the almighty plastic to have all they cannot actually afford to have, to show off to and or keep up with their friends
17:55 Raven262      yes.
17:56 IhrFussel     I still wonder WHY in this day and age NOBODY supposedly came up with a new battery tech ... it's kinda hard to believe
17:57 Raven262      Storing energy is a bit hard, you have to place it somewhere, which depletes a little, and you have to store it, which depletes it a little over time, then you have to use it, which also depletes it during the transition and actual use.
17:57 tumeninodes   well, they did come out with the battery / incendiary device
17:57 IhrFussel     All phones use Li-Ion or Li-Poly AFAIK...since 2000 or so
17:58 Raven262      Most of the lightweight devices do
17:58 Raven262      Like drones
17:59 tumeninodes   you also have people who leave the device plugged in almost 24/7, which puts strain on these batteries
17:59 Raven262      I was told that those batteries should be recharged only when completely empty
18:00 Raven262      And that that makes the battery's life longer
18:00 tumeninodes   you could tell people that numerous times per day... and still they will not care
18:01 IhrFussel     Raven262, umm that is actually wrong...the best way to charge them is 30 - 70% ... as oon as they reached 70% unplug and use till 30%
18:01 Raven262      Thanks for the info, IhrFussel
18:01 red-001       I'm starting to think batteries are black magic
18:01 Raven262      But i don't have an android device myself
18:02 IhrFussel     What you remember applies to the very old batteries
18:02 * rubenwardy  leaves his on charge overnight
18:02 red-001       everyone has a diffrent thing to say about how you are suppose to charge them
18:02 red-001       I guess it's because of all the diffrent types of chargers and batteries
18:02 IhrFussel     But pretty much all agree on "don't leave the device charged at 100%"
18:03 Raven262      Cause it can burn, explode or worse.
18:03 tumeninodes   I usually only charge mine, when someone calls my land phone to say they have been trying to callme, and I say "woops my cell is dead"
18:03 Raven262      xD
18:04 Raven262      𓆣
18:04 rubenwardy    it's 2017
18:04 Raven262      DId anybody see that scarab there?
18:04 Raven262      𓆣
18:05 * Raven262    thinks he got the number right
18:05 rubenwardy    it should be able to disconnect itself from the battery at 100%, and just not draw power
18:05 tumeninodes   <--- misses pagers... you could throw them so much farther and not as expensive
18:05 bigfoot547    Nope, I just saw replacement char
18:05 tumeninodes   I see it
18:05 Raven262      tumeninodes, which OS?
18:05 IhrFussel     AFAIK the lifetime of the Li-Ion/Poly batteries increases if you don't fully charge them... I read that you can charge them only 500 times before they lose capacity if you always charge 0-100% ... if you only charge 50-100% they last 1,500 charges, if you charge them only 30% each time they last over 5,000 and so on
18:05 tumeninodes   Minty :P
18:05 Raven262      Damn, seems that only mint can see it
18:06 Raven262      I recently installed peppermint and can't see it anymore
18:06 tumeninodes   cuz Mint ROCKS!
18:06 Raven262      Yeah probably
18:06 tumeninodes   why did you do that?
18:06 Raven262      Drivers
18:06 Raven262      Needed to recompile kernel
18:06 tumeninodes   and... how's that workin out for ya?
18:06 tumeninodes   :D
18:06 Raven262      nice
18:06 Raven262      games work better
18:07 tumeninodes   but how much better
18:07 Raven262      and i can't see scarabs :P
18:07 Raven262      Much much better, no more funny textures in dota2 and tf2
18:07 bigfoot547    I just have old fonts
18:07 Raven262      i wonder how do i install the whatever makes me see the scarabs
18:08 tumeninodes   ummm.... Mint?
18:08 tumeninodes   :P
18:08 Raven262      Nah, not going back there
18:08 tumeninodes   clem will be upset
18:09 Raven262      i had my screen stop rendering for a few seconds every few seconds on mint
18:09 Raven262      got weird lags
18:09 tumeninodes   uh oh... I think Ive been getting that 18.2?
18:09 tumeninodes   *1
18:11 Raven262      yes thats the one i've been using
18:11 Raven262      Oo
18:14 tumeninodes   hmmmm
18:15 Raven262      * - the character that when used with apt install makes your life much easier or unimaginably harder.
18:16 Raven262      dat depends on the prefix/suffix that you used with it that is
18:18 red-001       apt-get remove *
18:18 Raven262      o,5 Gb of font related packages, might solve my problem :P
18:18 Raven262      *0,5
18:18 Raven262      that won't work that easily, red
18:19 Raven262      and who is still using pat-get?
18:19 red-001       0.5 for those not in continetal europe
18:19 Raven262      *apt
18:19 tumeninodes   that is one thing Mint has down well..., fontz
18:19 Raven262      xD
18:20 tumeninodes   hahaha, I'm thinking "wth is pat -get? 0_o
18:20 Raven262      xD
18:20 Raven262      its cause of my keyboard that i make all of these mistakes (yea sure)
18:20 Raven262      okay, maybe cause i'm typing too fast
18:21 tumeninodes   it's a peppiment kb
18:21 tumeninodes   all sticky
18:21 Krock         IhrFussel, well, the optimum would be to keep them around 4.0 volts per cell but that's hardly reachable
18:21 Raven262      xD
18:22 Raven262      reboot...
18:23 tumeninodes   Krock..., is there an app for that? :P
18:24 IhrFussel     Battery Monitor Widget
18:24 IhrFussel     Displays battery temp, volt, current and much more
18:24 tumeninodes   well now my joke isn;t funny
18:25 Raven262      𓆣
18:25 Raven262      these scarabs are just so... pixelated
18:25 Raven262      odd
18:25 Raven262      maybe i should change to some less pixelated font
18:25 tumeninodes   looks fine to me
18:25 tumeninodes   reminds me of space invaders
18:26 Raven262      Oh antialiasing makes it look better :D
18:26 tumeninodes   there ya go
18:26 IhrFussel     Also Krock many phone manufacturers increase the volt limit on purpose...Samsung phones for example peak at 4.4 volts when they reach 100%
18:27 tumeninodes   that's why they blow up
18:27 tumeninodes   run hot
18:27 Krock         you simply don't charge a Li-Ion cell above 4.2V
18:27 Natechip      lol
18:27 Natechip      BOOOMMM
18:28 Krock         boom. hand lost
18:28 tumeninodes   or ear
18:28 IhrFussel     But the manufacturer chooses the volt limit..my current Huawei phone peaks at 4.3 volts
18:28 Natechip      then court :D
18:28 tumeninodes   international standards time
18:28 Raven262      ð“‚€
18:29 tumeninodes   or worse if in your pocket O_O
18:29 tumeninodes   HEY! that's a cool one Raven
18:30 * Raven262    searches trough ancient hieroglyphs
18:30 Raven262      xD
18:30 Raven262      u0131a3 is a scarab
18:30 tumeninodes   Maybe I'll make a Peanuts font :P
18:30 Raven262      you can also type scarabs
18:30 Raven262      ctrl + shift + u and type 0131a3
18:31 tumeninodes   𓆣
18:31 Raven262      there :D
18:31 tumeninodes   muahahahahahahaaaaaa
18:32 tumeninodes   first step in my plan for world domination is completw
18:32 tumeninodes   *e
18:32 Raven262      yea
18:33 Raven262      scarabs must have much to do with it xD
18:33 tumeninodes   nah, just my meds wearing off... nvm
18:33 Raven262      xD
18:35 tumeninodes   well, gotta go get summer camp stuff worked out for the rugrat. see yas
18:35 Raven262      see ya
19:36 Sokomine      five village mods? really that many? most afaik didn't get far. one that works nicely is societies. and of course nores mg mapgen. but that's what turned into mg_villages eventually...
19:43 Raven262      Yea, Sokomine, your villages mod really is the best :D
19:44 Raven262      Do you use worldedit schematics for houses?
19:47 Sokomine      worldedit schematics are supported as well. but most houses are .mts files now. you can use those with worldedit as well - with /mtschemcreate and /mtschemplace. or with my handle_schematics mod
19:47 Sokomine      the societies-mod is pretty nice. it's a very small village type but feels very comftable and fitting
19:50 Raven262      Wb tumeninodes
19:50 Raven262      What are .mts files?
19:50 tumeninodes   Howdy
19:51 Sokomine      minetest schematic format. a binary format also used for decoration in mapgen
19:51 tumeninodes   schematic files
19:51 Raven262      Ah
19:51 tumeninodes   Hi Sokomine
19:51 Sokomine      just another way of storing things efficiently
19:51 Raven262      How do i export in that format?
19:51 Sokomine      hi tumeninodes :-)
19:52 Sokomine      use //mtschemcreate filename    instead of   //save filename   in worldedit. or use my handle_schematics mod by placing a handle_schematics:build   chest in front of what you want to save
19:52 Raven262      Okay, thanks for the info.
19:53 tumeninodes   I'm wondering if for 0.5.0 there can be a way to include updating MT from settings page
19:53 rubenwardy    only for Windows
19:53 tumeninodes   bummer
19:53 rubenwardy    really we should automate the install builder
19:53 Raven262      I'm wondering if devs are going to add coloured lightning in 0.5, but probably not.
19:54 tumeninodes   that would be nice
19:54 Raven262      Minetest will probably never have it, sadly.
19:54 tumeninodes   don;t understand why though, users are still getting the old 0.4.13 build with ubuntu derives
19:55 tumeninodes   I thought est31 fixed that
19:59 tumeninodes   I know the PPAs are current but why is Ubuntu still using 0.4.13 ?
20:01 red-001       how would I know
20:02 red-001       maybe their package manager moved to the bahamas or something
20:04 tumeninodes   Hi red-001
20:05 tumeninodes   maybe their PM needs a kick to the bum
21:50 tyng          how do i set myself in creative mode on my server?
21:52 Sheba_S       tyna, just yourself?
21:52 Sheba_S       tyng *
21:52 tyng          yes
21:52 Sheba_S       grant yourself creative
21:53 tyng          \/grantme creative -> unknown privilege: creative
21:54 Fixer         !tell Wuzzy interesting mapgening here https://i.imgur.com/HnCFdEh.jpg
21:54 MinetestBot   Fixer: I'll pass that on when Wuzzy is around
21:54 Fixer         !tell Wuzzy2 interesting mapgening here https://i.imgur.com/HnCFdEh.jpg
21:54 MinetestBot   Fixer: I'll pass that on when Wuzzy2 is around
21:55 tyng          Sheba_S: when i run "/grantme creative" it says "unknown privilege: creative"
21:56 Sheba_S       no
21:56 tyng          i have "creative_mode = true" in my server configuration file
21:56 Sheba_S       try /grant youruserhere creative
21:57 tyng          it does the same thing
22:00 Sheba_S       :/
22:01 Sheba_S       tyng, what is your server's name?
22:04 tyng          oh wait i just noticed the creative button in my inventory..
22:05 tyng          i guess i should have played the game before trying to setup a server
22:06 Sheba_S       lol, yes
22:16 swift110      hey all
22:28 kaeza         wtf, now i.imgur.com also requires JS?
22:33 Calinou       for GIFVs probably?
22:33 red-001       gifvs are embedded mpg4 files right?
22:35 Fixer         wtf it requires js?
22:36 Fixer         github is down?
22:37 Fixer         is back
22:45 kaeza         I have to allow cloudflare, otherwise it shows just a blank page
22:46 kaeza         I thought the `i.` subdomain only served the files?
22:47 kaeza         guess I'll switch to another image hoster then :(
22:50 rubenwardy    using imgur as an image hoster seems weird to me, for forum stuff
22:50 rubenwardy    it's an image social network
22:51 Fixer         yeah
22:51 Fixer         i moved to posting directly on forum
22:51 Fixer         i have problems with github :/
22:51 Fixer         still can't post pictures on it for some reason
22:52 kaeza         cloudflare issues again?
22:52 kaeza         haven't tried posting images on GH, but the site loads fine for me
22:52 Fixer         can't post for long time
22:52 Fixer         says can't upload or smth
22:52 Fixer         it was working before :/
22:55 kaeza         no issues with uploads here :/
22:55 kaeza         but looks like GH uses AWS, not CF
22:57 kaeza         had to temporarily enable some amazonaws.com subdomain for it to work, though
22:58 kaeza         is it just me or is Web 3.0 or whatever just shit?
22:58 Fixer         kaeza: in some ways yes, in some not
22:58 Fixer         kaeza: but it is heavy shit for sure
22:59 Fixer         kaeza: some sites are loading like on dialup...
22:59 Fixer         dat heavy
22:59 rubenwardy    is web 3.0 spdy?
22:59 rubenwardy    or did you make up web 3.0
22:59 rubenwardy    !g web 3.0
23:00 rubenwardy    MinetestBot!
23:00 MinetestBot   rubenwardy!
23:00 rubenwardy    :3
23:00 kaeza         <3 MinetestBot
23:00 MinetestBot   <3 kaeza
23:00 kaeza         probably made up. still shit
23:01 kaeza         and will be shittier
23:01 kaeza         http://bettermotherfuckingwebsite.com/
23:01 rubenwardy    web 3.0 is about decentralising services like search, social media and chat applications that are dependent on a single organisation to function.
23:01 rubenwardy    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semantic_Web#Web_3.0
23:02 rubenwardy    yeah, I like minimal sites
23:02 rubenwardy    which also know their purpose
23:02 rubenwardy    compromise
23:02 Fixer         http://www.nirsoft.net/utils/
23:03 Fixer         or slackware site
23:07 rubenwardy    Fixer, that site looks awful
23:07 Fixer         rubenwardy: yet fast
23:07 rubenwardy    still awful
23:07 Fixer         gamma is not the bast
23:08 rubenwardy    you can make nice looking websites which aren't slow
23:08 wilkgr        Shall I provide my own examples?
23:09 Fixer         go ahead
23:10 Fixer         rubenwardy: but imagine how this kind of site would look under web 2.0 paradigm, I expect clusterfuck
23:11 rubenwardy    web 2.0 isn't related to the design of a site
23:12 Fixer         many still relate
23:13 rubenwardy    it wouldn't be hard to make that site look a lot better, and be more usable
23:13 Fixer         web 1.0 is dialup era, static sites, few js, java applets, flash, web 2.0 - all the craze, fat, heavy on js and other
23:13 rubenwardy    nope
23:13 rubenwardy    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_2.0
23:13 rubenwardy    also, implying that java and flash applets aren't far
23:13 rubenwardy    *fat
23:14 rubenwardy    or slow
23:16 rubenwardy    the generic jumbletron bootstrap craze where you have to scroll loads to get any information is bad
23:16 rubenwardy    but designing sites in a way that doesn't look shit isn't
23:21 Fixer         1 m y r i agr am
23:21 Fixer         hmmm
23:22 wilkgr        The slowest thing to load are the screenshots, which aren't integral to the website. http://wilkgr.altervista.org/mw/
23:23 wilkgr        (I do need to fix the captions for the images though)
23:46 rubenwardy    wilkgr, pretty good, needs some more attention to margins/paddings though
23:46 rubenwardy    especially the truncated sidebar
23:57 rubenwardy    nice fieldset here: http://wilkgr.altervista.org/
23:57 rubenwardy    background's on point too
23:58 wilkgr        Hover over the sidebar, and it expands
23:58 wilkgr        But yes
23:58 wilkgr        It's still a WIP
23:58 rubenwardy    it expands way too far, and would be fine as full expanded to start off with :)
23:59 wilkgr        I do have a version of the CSS like that :)
23:59 wilkgr        I just haven't uploaded it to the server yet
23:59 rubenwardy    bookmarked that page, I'll check the game out at some point - it looks good
23:59 wilkgr        Have you seen Ravenfield?