Time  Nick             Message
00:04 Devy             I'm sure you know this, but just in case, here's the code that I copied for re-registering all of the default biomes: https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/mapgen.lua#L536-L1174
00:04 Devy             Thanks for any help you can give me paramat.
00:26 redblade7        lol
00:26 redblade7        "IRC Technologies Inc Sales" what is that
00:28 Devy             I googled it. It's either a roofing company or a construction company. Haha
00:32 paramat          sorry was busy ..
00:32 Fatar            I'm not sure if it's a troll or if he's getting ripped off lol
00:32 paramat          will look at it
00:33 Devy             paramat, no problem, give it a look if you can whenever you can. Thanks.
00:37 paramat          your issue is familiar so a solution is likely
00:37 red-001          imr, you should really get an IRC license
00:38 imr              red-001, yes, I know :P
00:38 Devy             Great. If you have a forums post or something I can read I could go from there. Less work for you!
00:39 paramat          ~tell sfan5 is grandolf still banned here? if so should they also be banned in -dev? they are present there now
00:39 ShadowBot        paramat: O.K.
00:51 swift110         hooray I have 4.16
00:52 red-001          ahh cross compiling takes ages
00:52 swift110         red-001: what do you mean?
00:53 red-001          I'm cross compiling for windows on arch
00:53 red-001          having some issues with the windows 32-bit build
00:59 bigfoot547       Windows anything is painful.
01:00 redblade7        Minetest is like the only game ever that is better on Linux than Windows
01:00 redblade7        although 0.4.16 has a lot of improvements for both
01:00 jcalve           try compiling it in an openbsd vps where you're not even the admin
01:01 bigfoot547       You just need git, cmake, and make. Don't even "make install"
01:02 jcalve           except it has dependencies and they have dependencies so you spend a couple of days trying to compile them all then you realise make wasn't working because it's a crappy bsd make and you wanted gmake
01:15 rdococ           windows wandows
03:19 redblade7        hey does having an fps too high affect lag with minetest?
03:19 redblade7        i know it does with openarena and games like that
03:19 redblade7        and lag for other playesr too?
04:22 bigfoot547       Bye guys!
04:49 * cheapie        waves to ThomasJaguar1212 over here
04:49 ThomasJaguar1212 ohhai :D
04:50 cheapie          It's always kind of funny spotting the same person on multiple networks :P
04:54 tiwake           cheapie: IRC like its supposed to be
05:18 redblade7        that reminds me i forgot to sign on to rizon today
06:04 derr             I noticed Fozland is down, does anyone know if this is temporary?
06:07 derr             dang I miss my fozland, now what I am suppose to do
06:10 derr             stonecraft is a nice client
06:32 AlexYst          I have a directory of configuration files. Is there a way to find out what files are in the directory without knowing their names?
06:38 cheapie          AlexYst: "ls" outside of the game, or minetest.get_dir_list() from in-game.
07:15 AlexYst          cheapie: Sweet, thank you! I knew of ls, but I can't do that from within a mod on other people's machines. minetest.get_dir_list() is perfect!
07:16 AlexYst          The next step is to remove those files after I've read them. (I'm updating to a new, single-file format.) Is there a way to delete old files and directories?
07:38 MinetestBot      02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Remove SharedPtr, it's not used and will be never used, we use C++11 13718121d https://git.io/vHa98 (152017-06-05T07:36:13Z)
07:43 MinetestBot      02[git] 04Dumbeldor -> 03minetest/minetest: Fixed #5907 Documentation for screen_h and screen_w (#5909) 13dfd79c0 https://git.io/vHa9p (152017-06-05T07:43:21Z)
10:36 DS-minetest      is it possible to set the meat of ignore?
10:36 DS-minetest      meta*
10:37 DS-minetest      i mean of ignore that is outside of map boundaries
10:42 calcul0n         DS-minetest, i looked for that and never found so i don't think so
10:42 calcul0n         unless i missed some undocumented stuff
10:43 calcul0n         i guess you'd have to force the loading of the node you want to access, maybe there's a way to do that
10:43 DS-minetest      oh, right, it has to be loaden
10:43 DS-minetest      (you can load with voxelmanip)
10:44 calcul0n         ho, interesting
10:45 DS-minetest      that means ignore wont work for cummunication between csm and ssm
10:45 DS-minetest      communication*
10:53 CWz              minetest seems to fail compile
11:15 DS-minetest      aww, clients cant load blocks >_<
11:35 EDAKIRI          CWz: 0.4.16 works for me as long as source code directory is writable
11:35 EDAKIRI          (even when it is being built outside of the source directory)
12:27 DS-minetest      is name in the ssm chatcommand definition function the name of the player?
12:28 red-NaN          ssm == server-sided modding?
12:28 sfan5            .
12:29 DS-minetest      y
12:29 red-NaN          should be
12:29 DS-minetest      ok
12:29 red-NaN          however it doesn't mean the player is currently online
12:30 red-NaN          just that the command is executed by them or on their behalf
12:30 DS-minetest      umm, how can a player execute a chatcommand without being online¿
12:30 DS-minetest      ah
12:30 DS-minetest      tok
12:30 DS-minetest      thy
12:30 DS-minetest      thanks*
12:30 red-NaN          DS-minetest, the ncurese terminal or the IRC mod
12:31 DS-minetest      none of both
12:31 * DS-minetest    is making a mod for server and client to communicate using the server chatcommand
12:31 DS-minetest      status command*
12:35 sfan5            !tell paramat they are still banned here yes, dunno whether that should apply to -dev too
12:35 MinetestBot      sfan5: yeah, yeah
12:45 DS-minetest      umm and what's the name in minetest.register_on_receiving_chat_message in csm?
12:49 red-NaN          eh that's a mistake
12:49 red-NaN          it shouldn't be there
12:50 DS-minetest      afair it's just additional information but im not sure >_<
12:51 DS-minetest      but looking in preview, it's really a mistake
12:51 DS-minetest      but it also uses register_on_receiving_chat_messages, not register_on_receiving_chat_message…
12:52 DS-minetest      and the core table
12:52 red-NaN          yeah chat is sent as raw text no sender or anything fancy like that
13:15 ThomasMonroe     ok i have a compilation prob with the latest stable source from github
13:15 ThomasMonroe     hi RobbieF
13:16 ThomasMonroe     nvmd i figured it out
13:26 Elench           I'm running a small server and lava doesn't seem to set stuff on fire, is that normal?
13:28 Gundul           maybe fire is turned off in your world ?
13:31 Elench           Hmm not that I can see, I'll try explicitly turning it on
13:40 DS-minetest      https://github.com/DS-Minetest/csm_com now i have to test it >_<
13:44 DS-minetest      hmm, if only the server has the mod, it will ask a readable question
13:45 Gundul           builtin/deprecated.lua complaining about "WARNING: minetest.setting_* functions are deprecated.  Use methods on the minetest.settings object." generated a 250MB logfile in only 5 hrs :D
15:05 GreenDimond      I am trying to enable a client mod and its not working
15:06 GreenDimond      I enabled it in adv. settings, I made a clientmods folder and put the mod in and made a mod.conf and put load_mod_colour_chat = true in it but it still doesnt load
15:06 ThomasMonroe     what do client mods do anyway?
15:08 Calinou          ThomasMonroe: they run Lua logic on the client
15:09 Calinou          currently it can't access the HUD, so not a lot can be done
15:09 Calinou          but once that's possible, a whole new world of possibilities will be there
15:09 Calinou          like, displaying a wall clock, etc
15:09 Calinou          small but useful things
15:11 GreenDimond      So how do I enable one?
15:11 red-NaN          GreenDimond, where did you make the /clientmods folder?
15:11 GreenDimond      yes
15:11 GreenDimond      oh
15:11 GreenDimond      in .minetest
15:11 red-NaN          and you are using a non-run-in-place build?
15:12 DS-minetest      GreenDimond: the mods.conf is in /clientmods/
15:12 red-NaN          oh yeah mods.conf not mod.conf
15:12 GreenDimond      yes
15:12 antims           Can client mods move the character and cause the character to place/dig blocks and such?
15:12 GreenDimond      tried mods.conf too
15:12 red-NaN          I think you have to restart minetest sometimes
15:12 GreenDimond      still didnt work
15:12 GreenDimond      and I did restart mt
15:12 DS-minetest      antims: sadly not
15:13 red-NaN          and it's a non-run-in-place build right?
15:13 GreenDimond      Correct.
15:13 GreenDimond      Linux.
15:13 antims           DS-minetest: Gotcha. Any plans to add such functionality?
15:13 DS-minetest      antims: no
15:13 antims           Ok. Last question. Is it specifically wanted that that functionality *not* be added?
15:14 DS-minetest      normally the mods.conf file is automatically created
15:14 DS-minetest      antims: yes
15:14 GreenDimond      I had to make it myself.
15:14 antims           :( Ok. Thanks for the info.
15:14 red-NaN          could you paste the tree of .minetest?
15:14 GreenDimond      /home/user/.minetest/clientmods
15:15 red-NaN          huh are you sure the mod is not loaded?
15:15 GreenDimond      im sure
15:15 DS-minetest      so, the conf is /home/user/.minetest/clientmods/mods.conf
15:15 red-NaN          colour_chat requires you to set the colour to see the effects
15:15 GreenDimond      .rainbow doesnt work and no new cmds show up with .help all
15:15 red-NaN          huh
15:15 red-NaN          brb rebooting into linux
15:16 DS-minetest      GreenDimond: have you tried deleting the file again and seeing if a new one comes?
15:16 GreenDimond      which file?
15:16 DS-minetest      if not, it's not the right place
15:16 DS-minetest      the conf
15:18 GreenDimond      deleted it and it hasnt come back
15:18 GreenDimond      it never generated in the first place
15:18 DS-minetest      have you activated clientmods general?
15:18 red-NaN          could you verify if csm is enabled by closing minetest and checking minetest.conf?
15:19 GreenDimond      Yes I alread activated it
15:19 GreenDimond      I am using 0.4.16 btw
15:19 GreenDimond      stable
15:19 red-NaN          it's possible I messed up my CSM enable/disable pr somehow
15:19 GreenDimond      *checks mt.conf*
15:20 GreenDimond      I don't see anything
15:20 GreenDimond      CSM works for other people but they dont have Linux
15:20 red-NaN          it works fine in a RUN_IN_PLACE build
15:21 GreenDimond      :/
15:21 GreenDimond      they worked in the dev builds
15:21 GreenDimond      (0.4.15-dev)
15:21 red-NaN          well looking at the code it should work
15:22 GreenDimond      .help all works
15:22 GreenDimond      but the cmds dont show
15:22 GreenDimond      and the cmds dont work
15:22 GreenDimond      (from the mod)
15:22 red-NaN          yeah thats because .help is part of builtin
15:22 GreenDimond      ik
15:22 GreenDimond      so at least we know csm is enabled
15:22 red-NaN          eh no
15:22 GreenDimond      oh
15:22 red-NaN          .help will always work
15:22 red-NaN          even if you disable csm
15:22 GreenDimond      there is chat_modes.active = true in the minetest.conf
15:22 GreenDimond      but other than that
15:23 red-NaN          as will the builtin commands
15:23 GreenDimond      that makes sense
15:23 red-NaN          could you run "/set -n enable_client_modding true"?
15:24 GreenDimond      in-game?
15:24 GreenDimond      oki
15:24 red-NaN          and then exit minetest and start it again
15:24 red-NaN          I think this is an issue with advance settings being a bit buggy
15:24 GreenDimond      Hey it works now :D
15:24 GreenDimond      Thanks!
15:25 red-NaN          np
15:26 GreenDimond      y'all should add some documentation on how to enable csm mods
15:26 red-NaN          yeah
15:27 red-NaN          octacian mentioned they might add enabling csm mods to the mod tab in the main menu
15:27 octacian         Yup, once I finish modmgr rewrite
15:27 octacian         And it's he, not they :P
15:28 DS-minetest      but the mod configuration is per world
15:28 DS-minetest      i would rather like something at settings tab
15:29 red-NaN          I do tend to abuse they by using it as a singular pronoun
15:29 DS-minetest      ah, now i know, what you mean, ok
15:30 GreenDimond      oh btw octacian ty for the rig suggestion
15:30 octacian         YW :D
15:30 GreenDimond      Do you like the revised renders?
15:42 numzero          Elench, fire is disabled by default in multiplayer game
15:43 Elench           That'll be it
15:43 GreenDimond      red-Nan, your who_plus csm mod doesnt seem to work right. when I do .who I only see 3 players in the list when there are 33 players online.
15:43 Elench           I did "/set -n disable_fire false" but no change
15:44 red-NaN          GreenDimond, it's a minetest bug I keep forgetting to fix
15:44 GreenDimond      ah
15:44 red-NaN          well let me fix it now
15:45 GreenDimond      Your chatlog mod will be usefull
15:45 GreenDimond      maybe you can make it into a formspec
15:48 numzero          well, the proper setting is called enable_fire
15:48 numzero          although disable_fire is read as well
15:48 numzero          but these are read at load time
15:49 numzero          not sure if /set updates the config or runtime settings only
15:50 Elench           OK thanks I'll try next reboot
15:51 GreenDimond      octacian could you send me a copy of your skin? I need it for the staff render :)
15:52 octacian         Sure. Give me a moment
15:52 octacian         Speaking of which, I too would like a copy of staff skins at some point, wanna try a render myself
15:52 GreenDimond      Alright I can send you that
15:52 GreenDimond      I wonder
15:52 GreenDimond      Is IMS out?
15:52 octacian         Yes
15:52 GreenDimond      oki
15:52 octacian         He has had his privileges revoked, though I expect that he'll possibly be back
15:52 GreenDimond      He needs to be removed from staff list at spawn and you need to be added
15:53 octacian         All of the signs at spawn need to be updated
15:53 GreenDimond      Also should I include guardians in the render?
15:53 octacian         ExeterDad needs to get a better mod for protecting spawn, one where he doesn't have to manually add people to every protector
15:53 octacian         Yeah, I think so. They're still staff
15:53 GreenDimond      Or just give mods prot_bypass
15:53 octacian         Ah, true
15:54 octacian         Though just having better protection to give some mods access to spawn might be best
15:54 octacian         Though prot_bypass would remove a lot of a work for ExeterDad is other areas
15:55 GreenDimond      Prot_bypass prob wont happen though. The big man takes thing into consideration VERY seriously. I doubt he will do it.
15:55 GreenDimond      And I ain't gonna ask him xD
15:55 octacian         heh, Me neither
15:56 GreenDimond      Being a new moderator, it would be even more dangerous for you :P
15:56 GreenDimond      xD
16:06 GreenDimond      Having to append rigs is annoying
16:16 octacian         GreenDimond: Yeah, for me to ask that would be incredibly dangerous :rofl:
16:17 octacian         So, that's how you use multiple rigs in one scene?
16:17 octacian         hmmm, will have to keep that in mind lol
16:17 GreenDimond      not that simple
16:18 octacian         heh, Well then, when I need to do it I'll come ask you :P
16:19 * octacian       is gonna be away for several hours
16:20 GreenDimond      did you send the skin?
16:20 GreenDimond      (octacian)
16:50 red-NaN          DS-minetest, thats a brilliant way to abuse the chat protocol
16:50 DS-minetest      :D
16:50 red-NaN          but I think I know of a way to make the inital handshake invisible to non-csm clients
16:50 red-NaN          did you try and abuse the colour code system?
16:50 DS-minetest      ah, not yet
16:50 DS-minetest      good idea
16:51 DS-minetest      but there will be an empty line
16:51 red-NaN          can you not embedded it into the status display?
16:52 DS-minetest      i have thought of it
16:53 DS-minetest      but players would see that too
16:53 red-NaN          dammit too bad my pr for custom join messages didn't get merged
16:53 DS-minetest      what if i add characters that let minetest shut down when they are seen?
16:54 red-NaN          I don't think minetest will display anything inside a colour code, even if the colour code is invalid
16:54 red-NaN          so you could use an invaild colour code like "HAZ_CSM!"
16:54 DS-minetest      ahh
16:54 DS-minetest      i'll try that
16:57 red-NaN          hey considering there is a moral panic over csm, maybe you make is an optinal dependency for oredected and allow servers to request oredetect to be disabled
16:58 red-NaN          it would be as secure as any of the solutions people came up with
16:58 DS-minetest      :/
16:58 DS-minetest      then players wont use the mod
16:59 DS-minetest      hm, but more servers would
16:59 DS-minetest      good idea
16:59 red-NaN          lol
17:00 DS-minetest      minetest.colorize("HAZ_CSM!", "Do you have csm?")
17:00 DS-minetest      doesn't work
17:01 red-NaN          in what way do it not work?
17:01 DS-minetest      btw it would still be nice to have a function to get the modpath
17:01 DS-minetest      the string is shown white
17:01 DS-minetest      so, normal
17:02 red-NaN          but it should contain the colour code
17:02 red-NaN          colourize an empty string
17:03 red-NaN          minetest.colorize("HAZ_CSM!", "")
17:04 DS-minetest      doesnt help, i could use minetest.get_color_escape_sequence(color)
17:06 DS-minetest      lol, with alpha 0 only the shadows are visible
17:11 red-NaN          minetest.chat_send_all( minetest.get_color_escape_sequence("HAZ_CSM!", "")) is basicly invisible
17:32 Demosthenex      hey folks, interested in minetest and had a question! are there any monsters? any challenge? or is it just building atm?
17:33 DS-minetest      Demosthenex: minetest is an engine, you can install mods and subgames
17:33 red-NaN          Demosthenex, there are multiple mods that add mobs
17:34 DS-minetest      MTG is mostly sandbox
17:35 Demosthenex      that's fair. i've looked at it a few times and i downloaded a copy when i saw the latest update
17:36 VanessaE         Demosthenex: car analogy:  Minetest is the frame, engine, and wheels of a project car.  you turn it into a workable daily driver by adding minetest_game.  you turn it into a hotrod by adding mods on top of that.
17:36 Demosthenex      i'm a veteran minecrafter who specialized in ultra-hard servers. every see WWZ where the multi-story wave of zombies crashed into the wall? that happened on one of our servers... i was curious if there were hard mobs for minetest as a result
17:36 Demosthenex      VanessaE: and i like that it's got lua and modding built in!
17:36 VanessaE         yep :)
17:37 cheapie          VanessaE: Yeah, except said car has a lawnmower engine... which is fine for moving just the frame, but try turning it into a luxury car or something and it won't go very fast :P
17:37 VanessaE         heh
17:38 Demosthenex      so are there any hard mob mods anyone recommends?
17:38 VanessaE         mobs_redo has lots of monsters
17:39 Demosthenex      variety != difficulty
17:39 VanessaE         I get the impression some are quite hard to deal with
17:39 VanessaE         I know dungeon masters are.
17:39 VanessaE         as an aside, most mod authors in minetest are happy to take pull requests/contributions if you can code
17:39 VanessaE         99% of mods for minetest are open source, with permissive licenses like GPL or CC-By-SA
17:40 Fatar            what's the 1%
17:40 VanessaE         (many are effectively public domain w.g. WTFPL or CC0)
17:40 VanessaE         Fatar: there are some mods that are all-rights-reserved for whatever stupid reason
17:40 VanessaE         and there are a couple of closed-source mods that don't work anymore (not permitted by the engine)
17:41 Demosthenex      oddly enough yes i do code ;]
17:42 Fatar            I don't understand why people close source the mods of an open source game.
17:42 Demosthenex      i even host a development server for a popular minecraft modder
17:42 red-NaN          you forgot MIT
17:42 yusf[m]          I'm want to do override_item but on whole groups, how can I do that?
17:43 VanessaE         MIT, BSD, etc all fall under "permissive" in my book
17:43 VanessaE         Fatar: because they're stingy.
17:44 VanessaE         (stinjy?)
17:44 red-NaN          I don't think the forum allows closed souce mods
17:44 VanessaE         not in Mod Releases, no
17:44 VanessaE         but the engine won't run them anyway
17:44 VanessaE         binary Lua is disabled by default I believe
17:44 red-NaN          so we ended up with the strange case of a GPL mod that used bytecode
17:44 VanessaE         precompiled, whatever you wanna call it
17:45 VanessaE         I think that one was all rights reserved
17:45 VanessaE         free-as-in-beer, only.
17:45 VanessaE         some shit mauvebic made I think it was
17:45 ThomasMonroe     why arent there closed source mods?
17:46 Demosthenex      so often they ship them closed because they are afraid of ripoffs
17:46 red-NaN          there are a few with no license
17:46 VanessaE         ThomasMonroe: there were.  the engine doesn't permit it now.
17:46 ThomasMonroe     thats what im asking, why
17:46 red-NaN          which basiclly means no-one can legally refuse thier code
17:46 VanessaE         ThomasMonroe: because it's selfish and doesn't flow well with the philosphy of Minetest
17:46 VanessaE         philosophy*
17:46 red-NaN          plus pointless
17:46 nore             ThomasMonroe: because lua bytecode is insecure
17:46 VanessaE         those, too
17:47 Demosthenex      closed source mods were always a problem in minecraft
17:47 ThomasMonroe     ok nore
17:47 ThomasMonroe     ust wondering
17:47 Demosthenex      its smart to try and define some parameters at the ending
17:47 Demosthenex      s/ending/engine/
17:47 VanessaE         Demosthenex: mods in general kinda are, aren't they?
17:47 red-NaN          lua bytecode is fairly easy to decomplie, breaks between lua versions and is a major security risk
17:48 ThomasMonroe     ah, ok
17:49 ThomasMonroe     question: does the lua bytecode run faster than the uncomiled?
17:49 Demosthenex      so i saw a mention of modpacks, are there any difficulty oriented ones atm?
17:49 ThomasMonroe     uncompiled*
17:49 red-NaN          ThomasMonroe, not really
17:49 VanessaE         ThomasMonroe: no, quite a lot slower in fact
17:49 ThomasMonroe     ok
17:49 VanessaE         because precompiled lua isn't run through luajit
17:50 red-NaN          well it's faster if you use non-jit lua
17:50 ThomasMonroe     they should make the bytcode run faster
17:50 red-NaN          but it's not a large diffrence
17:50 VanessaE         red-NaN: right, but few people do
17:51 red-NaN          plus if it's embedded code it **might** make the overall file size small since you could modify your lua to only run bytecode
17:51 red-NaN          smaller*
17:51 mmuller          I don't expect there's much of a gain, compile to byte-code is really not very expensive.
17:51 mmuller          (generally)
17:53 ThomasMonroe     this is probly a stupid question, but how is a JIT faster than pre-compiled?
17:53 VanessaE         ThomasMonroe: because "precompiled" isn't really compiled
17:53 VanessaE         it's more like "pre-tokenized"
17:54 mmuller          ThomasMonroe: precompiled = compiled to bytecode, which is then interpreted.  JITted = compiled to machine code.
17:54 ThomasMonroe     ah ok
17:54 ThomasMonroe     ok
17:54 VanessaE         ThomasMonroe: think of old 8-bitter computers
17:54 ThomasMonroe     kind of like java's .jar is "pre-compiled"
17:55 VanessaE         when you type in a BASIC program, it gets stored in an abbreviated, tokenized format, which is what is also saved out to disk
17:55 ThomasMonroe     right
17:55 VanessaE         "precompiled" lua is basically the same idea
17:56 ThomasMonroe     just wondering how hard is it to create bindings to other languages?
17:57 VanessaE         probably easy enough if you can code C++ :)
17:58 Demosthenex      VanessaE: i see your name on many servers, and some say "survival"
17:58 VanessaE         mmhmm
17:58 VanessaE         not hardcore though
18:00 Demosthenex      just poking around ;]
18:00 Demosthenex      my extended family and gaming group was asking me to setup another hardcore MC server, but nothing new is out
18:01 VanessaE         give mine a try sometime.  the element of survival on the daconcepts.com:30001 is, if your computer doesn't melt down, you survived ;)
18:01 ThomasMonroe     lol
18:01 ThomasMonroe     mine would definetely melt
18:02 An0n3m0us        lol
18:02 An0n3m0us        mine got 984MB
18:02 ThomasMonroe      HexChat: 2.10.2 ** OS: Linux 4.4.0-36-generic i686 ** Distro: Ubuntu¼	iner "xenialÀ	" 16.04[»	4]  ** CPU: 1 x Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.60GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.20GHz ** RAM: Physical: 1.5GiB, 42.5% free ** Disk: Total: 71.8GiB, 40.4% free ** VGA: Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller ** Sound: ICH4 - Intel ICH6 ** Ethernet: Marvell Technology Group Lt
18:02 ThomasMonroe     d. 88E8053 PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller ** Uptime: 6h 23m 29s **
18:02 ThomasMonroe     sry wrong channel
18:02 An0n3m0us        My PC dies 100 times when I play minetest
18:02 ThomasMonroe     lol
18:03 Fatar            that's not a lot of hard drive space
18:03 An0n3m0us        RAM
18:03 Demosthenex      VanessaE: that the one with the public reactor?
18:03 VanessaE         Demosthenex: the only major flaw Minetest has really, is that it gives the CPU too much work to do that ought be done by the GPU instead.
18:03 VanessaE         Demosthenex: the same.
18:03 VanessaE         there's almost 9 MEU of power on the public grid ;)
18:03 Demosthenex      ha
18:03 Wuzzy            What do drawtime and dtime_jitter in the debug screen mean?
18:03 Demosthenex      ever try ReactorCraft, the second tier of Rotarycraft?
18:04 VanessaE         Demosthenex: never played MC at all.
18:04 ThomasMonroe     how do you not figure that out Wuzzy?
18:04 Demosthenex      VanessaE: righto!
18:04 VanessaE         Wuzzy: dtime is draw time, directly related to FPS.  jitter is how much variance there is in it over some period of time
18:04 Demosthenex      hrm, a world border.
18:04 VanessaE         (idk what the measurement interval is)
18:04 Wuzzy            and draw time is in ... what unit?
18:04 ThomasMonroe     milliseconds
18:04 VanessaE         milli
18:04 VanessaE         ...seconds.
18:05 VanessaE         ninja'd again :-/
18:05 Wuzzy            and jitter?
18:05 VanessaE         Wuzzy: percent ;)
18:05 ThomasMonroe     hundreths technichally
18:05 Wuzzy            so a drawtime of 14 means it took 14 ms to draw the previous frame?
18:05 VanessaE         I would assume percent of change in a short time, over some average ms.
18:05 VanessaE         Wuzzy: yeah
18:06 Wuzzy            so what does dtime_jitter of 29% mean?
18:06 VanessaE         Wuzzy: I would assume 29% variance over some average?  not sure.
18:06 Demosthenex      means more coffee is needed to increase your jitter
18:06 ThomasMonroe     lol
18:06 VanessaE         Wuzzy: ask in -dev :)
18:08 ThomasMonroe     29% is good
18:08 ThomasMonroe     i have average 100%
18:08 ThomasMonroe     or more
18:08 Wuzzy            huh? you can have more than 100% dtime_jitter?
18:08 Wuzzy            what does THAT mean?
18:09 ThomasMonroe     idk
18:09 ThomasMonroe     id have to look at the src
18:09 VanessaE         Wuzzy: if you have an average dtime of 15 and it jitters between say 14 and 16, that would be around 7 percent
18:09 VanessaE         if I am guessing right
18:10 VanessaE         so 100% would be if average is 15 but it occasionally shoots up past say 309
18:10 VanessaE         30*
18:11 VanessaE         at least, that's how I would define it
18:13 Demosthenex      thanks for letting me look around =]
18:40 Fixer            situation with stutter improved recently
20:05 EDAKIRI          Do things in Pipeworks pipes only get transported when you are near?
20:05 EDAKIRI          So, if you put something in one end and teleport to the other, nothing happens?
20:06 EDAKIRI          (on the out end , where you are)
20:07 calcul0n         EDAKIRI, probably, if the other end is not loaded
20:08 EDAKIRI          If you put something in the 'input' end, teleport to the 'output' end, does it come out at the output?
20:18 calcul0n         i never tried, but that's what it's supposed to be
20:19 calcul0n         but if the end is very far it probably won't work i guess
20:19 calcul0n         because the map won't be loaded there
20:20 nore             what happens is:
20:20 nore             the item gets teleported
20:20 nore             and continues to move
21:39 octacian         The octacian is finally the back. :rofl:
21:46 EDAKIRI          If all the flowers in an area are plucked, do more grow there? -- or only if some are plucked and there exists a flower still.
21:49 MinetestBot      paramat: Jun-05 12:35 UTC <sfan5> they are still banned here yes, dunno whether that should apply to -dev too
21:50 paramat          you need at least one flower to seed more around it
21:50 calcul0n         EDAKIRI, no, they will only appear if there are some around
21:50 EDAKIRI          Can one place a flower from another area and it shall grow?
21:50 EDAKIRI          propogate?
21:50 calcul0n         yes
21:51 calcul0n         but only if it's placed in dirt iirc
21:51 calcul0n         i have a nice flower farm here :)
22:09 paramat          dirt, grass, rainforest litter, anything with group 'soil = 1'
22:10 paramat          and plenty of light
22:12 paramat          not dirt with snow (frozen ground)