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00:05 Hijiri Minetest Redo
00:09 kaeza Unified Minetest
00:11 rubenwardy LM*MO
00:12 rubenwardy Less minetest.*, more oop
00:16 hfranqui Hi all
00:16 hfranqui Any skin switching mod that supports sfinv?
00:25 KaadmY Is the zoom priv default or do I have to specifically enable it if I use `default_privs` in minetest.conf?
00:26 AlexYst What's the advantage of using minetest.* or core.* over the other?
00:26 KaadmY AlexYst: nothing
00:26 KaadmY But it's shorter and looks nicer ;)
00:26 AlexYst KaadmY: It doesn't seem to be default, no.
00:26 AlexYst KaadmY: Ah, got it.
00:27 KaadmY In the builtin code, it's literally a `minetest = core`
00:27 KaadmY https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/init.lua#L25
00:27 AlexYst I wonder why both options are provided then. Strange.
00:27 KaadmY It was probably originally called "minetest"
00:27 KaadmY Then they added the alias for backwards compatibility
00:28 AlexYst I'm not sure why the new name would be needed though. It's the Minetest API, so minetest.* makes more sense than core.* .
00:29 rubenwardy it's still minetest
00:29 rubenwardy the core name is internal only
00:29 AlexYst Not that I actually care one way ore the other.
00:29 AlexYst Ah, got it.
00:29 KaadmY rubenwardy: why is core "internal"?
00:29 rubenwardy inside the source code, it was renamed to core to make making forks of Minetest easier
00:29 KaadmY They're identical
00:29 rubenwardy you should still using minetest in a mod
00:29 KaadmY Why?
00:29 AlexYst rubenwardy: OH! I get it, that was a good idea.
00:30 rubenwardy because that's the convention
00:30 rubenwardy ie: the documentation says to use minetest, so do all mods
00:30 KaadmY And why does the lua_api.txt say it's core.colorize while all the other functions are minetest.*
00:30 rubenwardy that's a mistake
00:30 AlexYst Maybe: minetest = core;core = nil
00:31 AlexYst Not that that should happen now, it's too late.
00:31 KaadmY Well, a lot of mods also use core
00:31 AlexYst Yeah, that's why it's too late.
00:31 KaadmY I don't know why the "minetest" namespace is used anyway
00:31 KaadmY Core is simpler and more to-the-point
00:31 AlexYst "core" is shorter, but not to the point. Core of what?
00:32 KaadmY Core of the modding platform?
00:32 KaadmY Core functionality
00:32 AlexYst That said, I do like short names. There's a reason I'm at y.st. in DNS.
00:32 KaadmY :D
00:32 rubenwardy it's personal preference as well
00:33 rubenwardy *ofc
00:34 AlexYst I can't wait to have a home Internet connection again. I've been yearning to put a Minetest server at "minet.y.st.:30000".
00:34 KaadmY :D
00:34 * KaadmY drools
00:34 rubenwardy minetest is still the official namespace though
00:35 rubenwardy !title https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/1258
00:35 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Organize builtin into subdirectories and use "core" namespace internally by ShadowNinja · Pull Request #1258 · minetest/minetest · GitHub
00:35 rubenwardy Apr 2014 :O
00:35 AlexYst KaadmY: Last I checked, "minete.st." is still available for registration.
00:35 KaadmY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.st
00:38 rubenwardy "An error occurred during a connection to y.st. Peer’s Certificate has been revoked. Error code: SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_CERTIFICATE"
00:38 KaadmY Yeah, similar thing here
00:41 AlexYst rubenwardy: Yeah, Firefox and maybe others have revoked the root StartSSL cert. Until I find another gratis provider, I can't do much about it. Not much money, sorry.
00:41 KaadmY TIL warrant canary
00:41 AlexYst "TIL"?
00:42 rubenwardy LetsEncrypt is good
00:42 KaadmY Today I Learned
00:42 rubenwardy also: https://blog.rubenwardy.com/2017/05/05/HTTPS-with-github-pages-and-custom-domain/
00:42 AlexYst Ah, got it.
00:44 AlexYst rubenwardy: Let's Encrypt refuses to issue certs that last longer than three months. Not my server, so I can't control when certs are refreshed. That means I need to leave at least a month's buffer during which to hope the server updates, dropping that to two months. I don't have time to switch certs every two months.
00:44 AlexYst I can look into that GitHub option though. It might work.
00:44 rubenwardy AlexYst, cronjob
00:45 AlexYst Assuming GitHub allows trailing dots.
00:45 rubenwardy sudo letencrypt renew once again
00:45 AlexYst rubenwardy: Not my server, I have no cron access.
00:45 rubenwardy *once aday
00:45 rubenwardy waaaat
00:45 rubenwardy why do you need trailing dots?
00:46 AlexYst Because my website is at . It uses a trailing dot.
00:46 KaadmY Wait
00:46 KaadmY How
00:46 rubenwardy that doesn't look valid
00:46 AlexYst I'm not updating all my links and trying to figure out who all's linked to be and trying to get them to update too.
00:47 AlexYst KaadmY: That's the proper form, most people just don't know all domains end in a dot and they leave it off.
00:47 rubenwardy http://www.dns-sd.org/trailingdotsindomainnames.html
00:47 KaadmY Hm, I've _never_ seen that
00:47 AlexYst rubenwardy: It's perfectly valid, though most Web browsers don't handle it correctly because it's so uncommonly used.
00:48 AlexYst I've actually got a page on that and a bunch of bug reports.
00:48 rubenwardy did your site have problems without it?
00:48 AlexYst
00:48 rubenwardy revoked certificate, remember
00:49 rubenwardy lynx works
00:49 AlexYst rubenwardy: On some local networks, there was a potential for a problem. I wouldn't know if anyone actually hit that problem though.
00:49 rubenwardy although it downloads it and opens in a web browser for some reason
00:50 AlexYst rubenwardy: Lynx doesn't work. It strips the dot from the HTTP Host header, which is incorrect behaviour.
00:50 rubenwardy it works at getting around your broken certificate
00:50 AlexYst OH! Got it.
00:50 KaadmY Well, you could just skip the bad cert
00:51 KaadmY Chromium (or uBlock?) allows you to ignore it
00:51 AlexYst KaadmY: Doing that requires a good cert though. I don't have one since that root got revoked.
00:52 AlexYst KaadmY: Any decent browser and most indecent browsers should allow you to bypass the error. Chromium is one of those browsers.
00:52 KaadmY I know
00:52 KaadmY I did that
00:52 AlexYst Okay, I was confirming it was Chromium, not uBlock.
00:53 KaadmY Because uBlock also blocks pages sometimes, I think only (possible) malware/ads/etc
00:53 AlexYst Ah, got it.
00:53 rubenwardy so the whole point is in case a local network has a local mt tld?
00:53 rubenwardy hmmm :P
00:54 AlexYst I removed all third-party hotlinking a while back and I don't use cookies or anything like that, so I hope nothing blocks my site.
00:54 AlexYst The point is to do it right.
00:55 AlexYst The RFCs say to use the dot whenever there is any chance of ambiguity.
00:55 AlexYst There's almost always a chance.
00:55 AlexYst is coming through as a blank page.
00:56 rubenwardy what browser?
00:56 KaadmY Works here, Chromium
00:56 AlexYst Firefox, and I updated Firefox, like, three days ago.
00:57 KaadmY I have a blog too, I have like 4 posts though
00:57 AlexYst It looks like the page has no source code from here, which I'm sure isn't right.
00:57 KaadmY And two are test posts
00:57 fireglow An error occurred during a connection to y.st. Peer’s Certificate has been revoked. Error code: SEC_ERROR_REVOKED_CERTIFICATE
00:57 fireglow fix it
00:57 AlexYst Yesterday was entry #795 on mine, starting at #0.
00:58 KaadmY fireglow: that's what we're talking about ._.
00:58 rubenwardy can't see any weird status codes in the log (all 200 or 304)
00:58 AlexYst fireglow: If you know a gratis TLS certificate provider, I'd love to fix it.
00:58 fireglow AlexYst: letsencrypt
00:58 rubenwardy lol
00:58 fireglow ^_^
00:58 KaadmY > Let's Encrypt refuses to issue certs that last longer than three months. Not my server, so I can't control when certs are refreshed. That means I need to leave at least a month's buffer during which to hope the server updates, dropping that to two months. I don't have time to switch certs every two months.
00:58 * KaadmY sighs
00:58 AlexYst fireglow: They won't issue certificates for long enough. I'm too busy to update the cert every two months.
00:59 * fireglow praises cron
00:59 AlexYst fireglow: Not my server, I have no cron access.
00:59 * KaadmY signs
00:59 KaadmY Dang it
00:59 KaadmY Does ANYBODY read backlog :(
00:59 fireglow no
00:59 AlexYst Let's Encrypt assumes a specific use case that not everyone fits into.
00:59 KaadmY > Not my server, I have no cron access.
00:59 fireglow so set up a cronjob on a remote computer and push the cert
01:01 rubenwardy AlexYst, does https://rubenwardy.com load ok? If you open the network inspector and reload, is there any weird things? And if non of those work, can you see Nginx 404 at http://139.162.164.143/
01:01 rubenwardy if you cba, don't worry
01:01 AlexYst fireglow: The only file access I have is over SSH. I don't even have full SSH access though. I have to use SSHFS. Try combining that with cron. Good luck. You'd need to find a way to see if it's mounted, and if not, mount it before pushing. Furthermore, I don't think I like the idea of my computer automatically reaching out across the network without my specifically having told it to do that.
01:02 fireglow aw
01:02 fireglow too bad
01:03 AlexYst rubenwardy: Another blank page, and nothing in the network inspector.
01:03 AlexYst Trying the IP address ...
01:04 AlexYst rubenwardy: The IP address Web address gives me a 404 error.
01:05 AlexYst If I add an "s" to the scheme, I get the same blank page as with the domain name-based URI.
01:05 rubenwardy my server only supports TLSv1-1.2 with ecliptic curve ciphers, so I'm guessing it's that
01:06 rubenwardy it should automatically redirect from http to https
01:06 AlexYst Hmm. THat shouldn't cause a problem with "http:"-scheme addresses though.
01:06 AlexYst OH! Got it.
01:06 fireglow badmins
01:07 AlexYst fireglow: I do my best, but I have little by way of resources.
01:08 AlexYst At least we're not using bare, unencrypted HTTP.
01:09 AlexYst Well, I've got to go. Might be back in about an hour.
01:09 rubenwardy o/
01:09 fireglow AlexYst: hmm sec, there was some swiss free cert site, I'll try and find it
01:12 fireglow aw "Promotion ends 30/04/2017"
02:54 KaadmY What's the `flag` settingtype?
02:55 KaadmY Ah, radio button list?
02:55 KaadmY Maybe that should be in the doc :/
02:55 KaadmY Right now it just says "Flags are always separated by comma without spaces." which is a bit vague
03:38 KaadmY Is there a save interval variable?
03:39 KaadmY For how often world data files are saved?
03:39 KaadmY Ie. achievements, hunger state, etc
03:42 kaeza KaadmY, that is up to mods
03:42 KaadmY For achievements, saving every time an achievement is changed is really bad
03:42 kaeza some provide config variables, for others you need to modify the sources
03:43 KaadmY Because it coule be possibly for every dig/place/craft
03:43 kaeza make an issue on the repo
03:43 KaadmY Times how many players per server
03:43 KaadmY I'm making my own achievements mod ;)
03:43 KaadmY I just want a guideline on save durations
03:43 kaeza ah
03:43 KaadmY Is 20 seconds too long?
03:44 kaeza I'd use 10 minutes personally
03:44 KaadmY I'll probably also try to do it intelligently
03:44 kaeza (and of course save on shutdown)
03:44 KaadmY Like 30 seconds after the last achievement change
03:44 KaadmY To batch achievements gotten around the same time
03:45 KaadmY Actually 30 seconds after the last change is bad
03:45 KaadmY Since it could go minutes if achievements keep changing
03:45 KaadmY So 30 seconds after any change if there isn't a timer already
03:45 KaadmY Flush and repeat
08:00 PureTryOut[m] Let's Encrypt is free
08:00 VanessaE yep
09:29 MinetestBot 02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Replace inconsistent mentions of core.* with minetest.* (#5749) 13f286c54 https://git.io/v99t5 (152017-05-12T09:27:58Z)
12:42 yusf[m] Is there a light alternative to moretrees?
12:57 DS-minetest hi MinetestBot
12:57 MinetestBot Hello DS-minetest!
13:30 calculon yusf[m], not really an alternative but i like realtrees
13:30 calculon it doesn't add new trees but make them grow in a realistic way
13:31 yusf[m] calculon: Interesting! It's that mod with multiple growing stages, right?
13:31 calculon yes
13:42 Stitch3s Hi
17:18 KaadmY Wat
17:23 AlexYst Sometimes you just can't decide on a number. I've had those days.
17:24 AlexYst The square root of negative one is always a good choice though.
17:30 Raven262 Decide a number? Well i decided one long ago and no more problems show up.
18:20 Fixer 666
18:22 Raven262 Well, if anyone can tell me if 262 is some kind of mathematical constant or something... It just keeps appearing in my life randomly.
18:23 Raven262 Even if it was i doubt it would have anything to to with this anyway.
18:23 Raven262 Mystery unsolved.
18:35 Wuzzy Raven262: 262 is a constant.
18:35 Wuzzy not sure if it has any relevance
18:41 Raven262 Something of a mathematical relevance?
18:41 Raven262 Or just an ordinary number?
18:43 Wuzzy i dont know. 262 doesnt seem very special though
18:44 calculon hmm, https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_262
18:44 Wuzzy #AllNumbersMatter
18:46 Raven262 Yes, i know of it for some time now
18:46 Raven262 Makes it even more odd if you ask me :P
19:27 AlexYst Raven262: I meant red-#, as they kept changing their number for a bit.
19:30 Raven262 Yeah, i have seen red changing his numbers lots of times, yet for the reasons unknown to me :o
19:31 AlexYst Ha ha.
19:31 Raven262 The discussion on minetest-hub is lol
19:31 Raven262 it is really funny
19:31 AlexYst I'm liking this new tin that was added to the game. WHen copper was added, I was kind of frustrated because of the copper + iron thing, but the new tin fixes that.
19:32 AlexYst What is minetest-hub?
19:32 Raven262 channel?
19:32 AlexYst Huh. Hadn't heard of that one.
19:32 Raven262 I can't talk there, seems that one has to earn the voice
19:33 Raven262 I heard of it yesterday, while discussing with the devs about the minetest clone apps
19:33 Raven262 they said that i should talk there
19:33 calculon it's a channel for minetest contributors
19:34 lisac Putting a stake through the vampire's heart kills it; but it also kills anything else.
19:34 Raven262 Yes
19:34 Raven262 Tell them, lisac.
19:34 AlexYst Hmm. If we can't speak, there's no sence in my being there.
19:34 * AlexYst leaves
19:34 calculon you should ask an admin in pv if you think you're legitimate
19:34 lisac I don't think I can.
19:34 Raven262 Me neither
19:34 Raven262 Am i legitimate?
19:34 AlexYst Legitimate for what?
19:34 AlexYst Ha ha.
19:34 calculon i don't know, are you a contributor ?
19:35 * lisac is a contributor!
19:35 Raven262 Me too then
19:35 Raven262 I helped lisac, for some stuff
19:35 Calinou I am a contributor! I changed floor friction to 1.8 from 2!
19:35 AlexYst I hope to be once life settles down a bit.
19:35 Raven262 Calinou, nice work
19:36 Raven262 well, your contributors seem to be talking about everything except minetest :P
19:36 lisac But, Raven262, Vampires are cool
19:36 Raven262 Yes, lisac i know.
19:36 AlexYst Huh. Some on the regulars list are just mod writers. I've got one I plan to release at some point, and a few others in the works.
19:36 Raven262 But it is not minetest
19:36 Raven262 I released some mods
19:36 Raven262 Though i mostly do graphics
19:37 Raven262 http://i.imgur.com/KbOPmSr.png
19:37 AlexYst I just realised my mod needs to be updated to accommodate tin. I guess that drops my finished mod count back to zero.
19:37 Raven262 ^my latest work
19:37 AlexYst Hmm.
19:37 lisac Raven262 is a designer
19:38 Raven262 :o
19:38 Calinou you have good taste, sir
19:38 lisac not of code, though.
19:38 lisac Nice skybox, raven.
19:38 Raven262 thanks
19:38 AlexYst Raven262: That's a pretty sweet sky. Not sure what it is, but I like it.
19:38 lisac I think you meant this, though: https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/4/4b/Jug_kill_01.mp3
19:39 Raven262 I made that to replace the chaos mod's default sky, the creator of the mod seems to like it
19:39 AlexYst The maze-like lines near the top are a nice touch.
19:39 Raven262 :D
19:39 Raven262 I thought people might not like them to be honest :D
19:39 Raven262 but that is not my finest work
19:42 AlexYst I see why you might think that, as it looks like a totally bizarre design for a sky, but it has an epic feel to it.
19:43 AlexYst lisac: Blocked by CloudFlare.
19:43 Raven262 I consider this to be my finest work: http://i.imgur.com/oTDLgM3.png
19:44 lisac AlexYst, Works fine for me
19:44 Calinou hmm, how did you do that sky?
19:44 AlexYst Raven262: What's that thing in the background? A mountain with a beam into the heavens?
19:44 Raven262 Blender + gimp
19:44 Raven262 A ringworld
19:44 Raven262 Like halo
19:45 Raven262 :D
19:45 Raven262 I had to learn some basics of blender for that
19:45 Raven262 and well i know most of the stuff in gimp, i experimented a lot
19:45 AlexYst lisac: That's because CloudFlare selectively discriminates against some members of the Internet community but not others. Some peopel will get through just fine, but others won't. CloudFlare's a real pain.
19:46 Calinou #OccupyCloudFlare
19:46 Raven262 Red strikes again!
19:46 AlexYst I don't know Halo. Is a ringworld a planet that's ring-shaped instead of spherical?
19:46 Raven262 well
19:47 Raven262 yes, it is ring shaped
19:47 Raven262 with the terrain inwards
19:47 Raven262 and it should be gigantic
19:47 Raven262 wait i think i can get a screenshot on how it looks in blender
19:48 AlexYst The terrain is only inwards, not all the way around? Strange.
19:48 Raven262 well, gravity wouldn't allow it, right?
19:48 Raven262 wanna try out the skybox?
19:48 Raven262 that should make it more obvious
19:49 AlexYst Gravity wouldn't allow a ring-shaped planet. But if it did, I'd expect terrain on the outside or all the way around.
19:49 AlexYst Sure, I'd love to try it out. Thanks!
19:49 Raven262 moment :D
19:51 GNU[BDC] hi
19:51 AlexYst Hey GNU[BDC]!
19:52 AlexYst I know what GNU is, but if you don't mind my asking, what is BDC?
19:53 GNU[BDC] nothing special
19:53 Hijiri bacterial data chip, ganoo is running on wetware
19:54 AlexYst I can't honestly say I know what that means.
19:54 Raven262 AlexYst, http://www.filedropper.com/skybox_1
19:55 Raven262 this is the third time i'm uploading this one xD
19:55 Raven262 dunno how its not skybox_2 though
19:56 AlexYst Maybe skybox, skybox_0, and skybox_1?
19:56 Raven262 idk
19:56 Raven262 but, no matter there it is :)
19:56 * Raven262 now goes to try it out ... again
19:57 * AlexYst toggles JavaScript back on so the download will work
19:57 Raven262 lol
19:58 AlexYst I can't wait until my school fixes their website. I have to disable JavaScript because of that *one* website.
19:58 Raven262 That website must really be cancerous
19:58 AlexYst And Firefox removed the old easy toggle. Gotta' go into for that now.
19:59 AlexYst Raven262: Yeah, it's cost me a lot of time and a few points.
19:59 Raven262 We don't yet use websites so much in our schools, at least my school doesn't.
20:00 AlexYst My school's purely online.
20:01 Raven262 So, you don't "go" to school then?
20:01 Raven262 You just learn via the internet?
20:03 AlexYst Raven262: Right.
20:03 Raven262 Oo
20:03 Raven262 Well, good for you i guess, but i prefer going to school myself :P
20:03 AlexYst THat sky's pretty sweet. My only complaint is that it's identical in the day and at night. At night, the bright sky looks strange with the dark ground.
20:04 AlexYst Raven262: Yeah, but I save tonnes of money. Only $100 USD per course, as opposed to thousands.
20:04 Raven262 Yeah, i know that, it has given me nightmares, it is unfixable whatsoever xD
20:04 Raven262 Really?
20:04 AlexYst Ah, I know that feeling.
20:04 AlexYst Raven262: Yeah.
20:04 Raven262 I don't have that option here :P
20:05 Raven262 It would be actually better if i did
20:06 Raven262 The skybox can be made to change (Yes i did try to make that), it takes some 6 times more work to make it so :P
20:06 Raven262 And it would be broken too
20:06 AlexYst Why don't you not have that option? At an online university, you can reach the school no matter where you are.
20:06 Raven262 Since i would have to make the ring rotate around that star, and that would take lots of frames.
20:06 AlexYst Ah, I see.
20:07 Raven262 I don't know if i can do that here
20:07 Calinou I used to be homeschooled
20:07 Raven262 Well, i might check that out.
20:08 AlexYst Huh. The star's kind of in the middle, so there shouldn't really be a night. Maybe that's the solution. Set the game to never be night.
20:08 Raven262 The "original" halo rotates
20:08 Raven262 It has to maintain orbit in order not to fall on the star it rotates around.
20:09 Raven262 And then it also rotates around its central axis
20:09 AlexYst Raven262: I don't know if you're interested, but it's if you decide to check it out.
20:09 Raven262 both rotation affect day/night cycle.
20:09 AlexYst Raven262: Okay, I get it.
20:09 Raven262 Don't know if i can get a job with this.
20:09 AlexYst That's a pretty strange planet. And a flexible one.
20:09 Raven262 At least not here.
20:10 Raven262 planet? xD
20:10 * Raven262 goes to check some halo images
20:10 AlexYst The ring world of this Halo game.
20:10 Raven262 yeah
20:10 Raven262 The first halo game is the only good one, i recommend playing it.
20:10 slemonide The ring world had a special mechanism for the day/night shift.
20:10 AlexYst I guess if it's looped around the sun, maybe it doesn't count as a planet?
20:11 Raven262 I think it doesn't count as a planet
20:11 AlexYst I don't really have any game systems in my home besides my laptop. It's pretty much Minetest and SuperTux, for me.
20:11 slemonide There was an inner ring of smaller radius that created shadows.
20:11 Raven262 If you can run minetest, you can run halo, i guarantee it :P
20:12 Raven262 smaller radius?
20:12 Raven262 I thought there was only one ring
20:12 slemonide Yes.
20:12 slemonide I am talking about the Ring World.
20:12 slemonide Not Halo.
20:12 Raven262 Ah
20:12 * Raven262 has no idea about the "ringworld"
20:12 * Raven262 has to check it out
20:13 * Raven262 has to read this
20:13 Raven262 This ringworld is much larger than halo one
20:13 slemonide Yes.
20:14 slemonide Also, it's unstable.
20:14 Raven262 Unstable?
20:14 slemonide Yes.
20:14 slemonide It's a ring around a star.
20:14 Raven262 yes, i see
20:14 AlexYst It seems like any ring-shaped world like this would be unstable.
20:14 Raven262 I though centrifugal force would keep it from getting crushed by star's gravity
20:14 slemonide Well, if it orbits the star then everything is ok.
20:15 slemonide But if the center of the ring is at the star, then it's unstable.
20:17 Raven262 It could never be made. Only the finished ring, rotating at a certain speed would be stable.
20:18 Raven262 At least i think so.
20:20 Raven262 I just noticed that the whole halo is actually based on this ringworld thing.
20:20 Raven262 -1 for unoriginality to microsoft.
20:21 AlexYst Microsoft? Actually coming up with an original idea? That's hilarious. They'd never do that.
20:21 Raven262 Yeah, now i get it.
20:22 Raven262 Halo was the only microsoft's game that i liked.
20:23 Raven262 I could make an even better ringworld in blender, if i rendered the whole thing in blender.
20:23 Raven262 Rather than using gimp to add lightning.
20:23 * Raven262 doesn't know how to use blender very well.
20:24 TestyRabbit Hey guys, I'm looking to register a node and I was wondering what the field was for the node's hardness? I cant find it
20:24 Raven262 Groups?
20:24 Raven262 https://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/chapters/nodes_items_crafting.html
20:25 Raven262 That should cover it
20:25 TestyRabbit ok thanks
20:43 AlexYst I swear, I think that server is sending me zero-byte responses.
20:43 AlexYst I've yet to figure out *why* though.