Time  Nick           Message
03:54 delores        My mesh with texturing works in Blender perfectly, but in minetest it only shows part of each texture side. Weird.
04:08 sofar          delores: did you fully uv map it?
04:09 sofar          delores: and export materials?
04:14 delores        Wait, I just had to import the texture into blender and then export the model again.
04:14 delores        Works fine now
04:17 delores        I thought minetest ignored materials?
04:19 sofar          nope
05:15 MinetestBot    02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Player properties: Set correct default collisionbox 132d5bd7f https://git.io/v9w0T (152017-05-07T05:10:13Z)
05:15 MinetestBot    02[git] 04t0ny2 -> 03minetest/minetest: Replace occurrence of luaL_reg in l_camera.cpp 13d067894 https://git.io/v9w0k (152017-05-07T05:09:30Z)
09:08 MinetestBot    02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: LINT fix since d0678948165768472fc940c03e78cba787f49ea5 130d7c379 https://git.io/v9waE (152017-05-07T09:07:17Z)
10:15 MinetestBot    02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Player attrs: permits to remove an attribute by setting value to nil … 13c1b3ed4 https://git.io/v9wwa (152017-05-07T10:13:15Z)
16:01 IhrFussel      The issue I submit a few days ago is the ONLY one that's been ignored by everyone...I wonder why that is
16:02 IhrFussel      I'm thinking nobody actually understands how that's an issue, but I tried to explain it as good as I could
16:23 Calinou        IhrFussel: what issue?
16:25 red-001        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/5691 I assume
16:26 MinetestBot    02[git] 04Ezhh -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Add option to disable lavacooling (#1726) 130870631 https://git.io/v9wQM (152017-05-07T16:25:53Z)
16:26 IhrFussel      It didn't even receive a tag which just shows me how nobody cares
16:34 red-001        well there is no way to check if it's an old server or if the packet got dropped somewhere along the way
16:35 red-001        a better solution would be to try and find whats causing the issue
16:36 IhrFussel      red-001, the client should ping the server, wait for a reply and THEN initialize the whole connecting process IF the server sends an "OK" packet ... is it that hard to implement this?
16:38 IhrFussel      The client already "knows" if the destination is valid or not when connecting since it will display this misleading error when you connect to a server that's about to boot/shutdown
16:39 IhrFussel      The error message just doesn't describe the ACTUAL problem...it doesn't tell you WHY the init packet is missing
16:39 red-001        well what you are seeing here is the client seeing the server exists starting the connection process and then something stopping that process
16:40 IhrFussel      It COULD be the server version being too old...but it COULD also be that the server is in an unstable phase (during shutdown)
16:40 red-001        it just happens to be the same thing that would happen if a new client tried to connect to a legacy server
16:40 red-001        well the error message is at https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/07c17db11450f235b67895ce39a5aef67458107d/src/game.cpp#L2144
16:42 IhrFussel      Maybe it should be made possible to send the init packet also while the server is shutting down AND optionally add another message that tells the client that the server is in an unstable state
16:43 red-001        well there are only 4 servers left on the server list with a version old enough for this to happen
16:43 red-001        maybe changing the message would be a good idea now
16:43 IhrFussel      I have nothing against the "init packet not sent" error existing...it just shouldn't display when the actual error is known
16:44 red-001        well the issue is that there isn't really a way to check what caused the packet to not be sent afaik
16:44 IhrFussel      Or the error should be made known...I cannot imagine it to be difficult to add a function inside the shutdown process that waits for clients to connect and sends an error packet
16:45 red-001        I'm not sure how much can be done before init is sent
16:46 IhrFussel      shutdown would be more important...booting up will hardly ever take longer than a few secs on servers..but many mods DELAY the actual shutdown so that the server stays in this "unstable" state for quite a few minutes
16:47 IhrFussel      I already mentioned an example a week ago: biome_lib
16:47 red-001        huh the server shouldn't accept connections when it's shuting down
16:48 red-001        that should be looked into
16:48 rdococ         hm
16:48 IhrFussel      red-001, the problem is it seems to do that...and THEN it throws the wrong error about the init packet
16:49 rdococ         in the 3d_armor mod, how would I find the shield an entity is currently wearing?
16:49 IhrFussel      Which kinda makes sense cause the server *is* online and reachable...just that it cannot send the init packet CAUSE it's "not allowed to" while shutting down
16:50 red-001        seems like it is blocking the connections the wrong way in that case
16:50 red-001        too high level
16:52 DS-minetest    rdococ: i think, 3darmor gives the players another model
16:52 rdococ         DS-minetest: I think the solution is to check the player's inventory
16:52 rdococ         in the "armor" list specifically
16:53 IhrFussel      red-001, IMO it should either just NOT reply at all which results in a "Connection timed out." OR it should reply with a valid error like "Server doesn't reply"
16:53 DS-minetest    rdococ: mhm
16:54 rdococ         if you're interested, I'm working on a mirror shield mod. When you wear the mirror shield, damage dealt by any other entity gets reflected back at them.
16:55 IhrFussel      But I'm no C++ expert btw, I'm just sharing my thoughts on what sounds logical to me
17:24 cx384          Calinou, I found a bug at your moreores mod https://github.com/minetest-mods/moreores/issues/21
17:27 cx384          bye
17:32 Calinou        thanks for reporting, the late cx384
17:47 AlexYst        Huh. So the PB&J pup was removed from the game, huh? I didn't expect that.
18:04 Krock          yes, it was quite short-living
18:05 Krock          moved here: https://github.com/minetest-mods/pbj_pup
18:06 Calinou        why don't we do like the Clementine devs? https://lut.im/ZNwCh9uxYp/JZA5UQ8x6810LoYa.png
18:06 Calinou        ;)
18:06 Calinou        (and https://lut.im/GzYBV0UEAP/jJLr4BDJCX6YfGro.png)
18:07 Calinou        that was added to 1.3.0, released last year
18:09 Krock          lol
18:09 Krock          that's an idea
18:10 Krock          Calinou, why did you come up with this idea so late?
18:10 Calinou        :D
18:13 AlexYst        Add a rainbow-mained horse? Horses might be difficult to represent as single nodes.
18:14 Krock          that'll be our first 512x512 texture
18:14 AlexYst        Ha ha. Nice.
18:14 Krock          </sacasm>
18:14 AlexYst        It won't fit with the rest, but then again, when did the Nyan Cat ever actually blend in?
18:15 Calinou        anything is possible
18:15 Krock          but 512 will not look fitting next to a 16px one
18:15 Krock          the nyan cat is already quite old.. *browses through the history*
18:16 * AlexYst      is fine with or without the PB&J Pub, but is still ecstatic that the Nyan Cat was ousted from the game
18:16 Calinou        July 2011
18:16 Calinou        I was there slightly before the Nyan Cat addition
18:17 AlexYst        Ha ha, so you've seen the entire life span of that node.
18:17 Krock          https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/f9ab8cd0
18:17 Krock          that's the first appearance of the nyan cat
18:18 AlexYst        May it rest in pieces.
18:18 AlexYst        I always wondered how we could legally have it in the game. Turns out it was probably illegal all along.
18:19 ko_            hi
18:28 Out`Of`Control why it was illegal?
18:30 red-001        trademark law
18:30 red-001        nyancat is a trademarked meme
18:32 Jordach        everyone on the internet calls him a faggot
18:33 red-001        that seems offtopic
18:33 Jordach        red-001, trademarking is the first sign of selling out
18:35 * red-001      goes off to trademark stuff
18:35 red-001        jk
18:35 red-001        I have nothing worth trademarking
18:40 IhrFussel      AFAIK the owner of the trademark only filed law suits against COMMERCIAL projects using the meme ... Minetest is non-commercial and therefore should be fine but the devs don't want to risk it I think
19:10 Calinou        IhrFussel: some people make commercial (or commercial-ish) use of Minetest
19:10 Calinou        that likely is not okay to the trademark holder
19:10 Calinou        trademark holders get VERY pissed at anything that looks like it's making money
19:15 IhrFussel      Calinou, but that's not the original then...the clones turn it into a $$$ project
19:15 Calinou        not just clones
19:17 IhrFussel      What I mean is the ACTUAL devs who "own" Minetest see it as a non-commercial product
19:17 IhrFussel      Unless something changed recently
19:19 red-001        they just want to avoid legal issues
19:21 red-001        he only filled it agaist commerical projects because those were the only ones that would be able to pay him
19:49 IhrFussel      red-001, I wonder if each server owner who added the mod is in legal danger now or if the trademark holder can only sue the creator of the mod
20:00 sofar          most servers are not commercial
20:00 sofar          so, no risk there
20:01 sofar          the risk would be paid versions of minetest in app stores
20:13 Out`Of`Control Hi
20:21 Calinou        sofar: don't we look down upon them heavily?
20:21 AlexYst        I think a paid version of a Minetest server could exist, people here just chose not to do it. Most of us want players more than we want to make money from the game.
20:21 Calinou        I wouldn't care about these
20:21 Calinou        there are other reasons to avoid NC traps, but this is not one of them
20:21 Calinou        face it, every maintainer of a paid Minetest app is an idiot
20:21 Calinou        sorry to put it this way, but they all act the same
20:21 AlexYst        Well, the principle, for starters. "NC" means "NF" (non-free).
20:22 Calinou        yeah
20:22 Calinou        I think we can succeed without proprietary memes anyway…
20:22 AlexYst        Memes are usually pretty dumb anyway, proprietary or not.
20:23 AlexYst        The nice thing about the PB&J Pup, had it been kept, was that it wasn't a meme. No on had any idea what it was. It was just a Minetest Easter egg.
20:23 AlexYst        That said, I'm not concerned with its removal either.
20:24 Calinou        easter eggs don't have a whole lot of value if they're not pop culture references, these days
20:24 Calinou        and almost all pop culture is proprietary…
20:25 AlexYst        I've never really seen any value in pop culture, but then again, I'm a bit odd that way.
20:26 AlexYst        I don't think popularity makes something good. It just means the masses (who can be dolts at times) *think* its good.
20:28 AlexYst        Popular things also are often (though not always) more popular just because they have a better marketing budget.
20:30 Fixer          what about pepe?
20:33 AlexYst        Pepe doesn't have a marketing budget, I imagine. Most memes don't. I can't say I'm a fan of Pepe though.
20:37 catninja       I thought that the idea of keeping the rainbow blocks and adding a pot of gold was great
20:37 catninja       like, it is rare and everyone gets the idea
20:39 AlexYst        That could work. It's generic enough to understand, but still not proprietary.
20:44 catninja       But in Minetest you get to keep the rainbow when you find the treasure
21:10 WSDguy2014     I was playing on "Skywars" server in Minetest, i saw player "ayylmao" using hacked client, he got banned 6 times, but still cannot ban player!
21:11 red-001        dynamic ip?
21:11 WSDguy2014     Server IP: skywars.telesight.nl
21:11 WSDguy2014     Port: 30010
21:12 WSDguy2014     Quick. Join server!
21:13 WSDguy2014     Player "Ayylmao" should be banned forever. If it does not work and hacker still joins server, it should be IP banned forever!
21:13 red-001        look we can't do anything about it
21:14 red-001        you need to talk with the server admin/mod
21:14 WSDguy2014     There is no "/report" command on Skywars server.
21:20 WSDguy2014     Which is unfortunate... :(
23:00 MinetestBot    02[git] 04DS-Minetest -> 03minetest-mods/mesecons: Make LuaC formspec bigger (#338) 13f9ebbdc https://git.io/v9rIc (152017-05-07T22:59:57Z)