Time  Nick            Message
00:33 IhrFussel       Can someone tell me why my OS closes Minetest WITHOUT having OOM-Killer involved? I thought the only way for it to silently crash is when the PC is out of memory but dmesg doesn't mention anything whatsoever
00:48 calculon        hmm, there are many ways to silently crash
00:48 calculon        and i don't think dmesg can help in any way
00:50 calculon        IhrFussel, did you check the minetest logfile ?
00:52 IhrFussel       calculon, nothing in the log file and it just happened again..I was IDLING in the game and it suddenly closes itself
00:54 IhrFussel       I watched free -m before it crashed and it was at a constant "130 MB available"
00:55 calculon        that's strange indeed, i guess the only way to find the error is to run it with gdb
00:55 calculon        or try to disable your mods one by one to find if one of them is doing that
00:56 IhrFussel       A mod cannot cause a silent crash AFAIK...it can cause an unspecified error at worst
00:57 IhrFussel       I could try to run the game with --verbose once maybe it helps finding the issue
00:59 calculon        i've never seen silent crashes, but i sometimes have weird ones when my mods do stupid things
00:59 calculon        so i'm not sure it's impossible
01:05 IhrFussel       Maybe I set the unload map data interval too low
01:28 IhrFussel       IT seems to be random...I'm playing on my server, placed 200+ nodes, dug them with an admintool, spawned 20 animals, killed them, walking around...no crash yet
01:30 OldCoder        <IhrFussel> A mod cannot cause a silent crash AFAIK...it can cause an unspecified error at worst
01:30 OldCoder        If there is a core bug
01:30 OldCoder        A mod can trigger that and thereby cause a silent crash
01:42 IhrFussel       OldCoder, it is no mod problem...it mostly happens when I view formspecs after building or chatting a lot
01:42 OldCoder        Right; a core bug, as I said
01:42 OldCoder        Anything, at any level, may trigger one
01:45 IhrFussel       I'm not sure, it might be a low RAM problem but then I don't see why dmesg doesn't contain any OOM-Killer lines
01:48 IhrFussel       Is there an easy way to trigger an OOM? To see if dmesg even logs those
01:56 rdococ          am I meant to define on_step in the entity registration function?
01:59 rdococ          .
02:00 benrob0329      anyone else here used Vivaldi?
02:01 rdococ          ah
02:01 rdococ          t's working now
02:01 rdococ          I have working banana peels
02:01 rdococ          yay
02:09 rdococ          o_o
02:10 rdococ          I just picked up a dropped hand?!
02:10 benrob0329      thats the seccond time ive heard of this
02:10 benrob0329      somethings up
02:12 diemartin       rdococ!
02:13 rdococ          diego martin!
02:14 rdococ          I'm working on a powerup mod for a vehicles mod :P
05:57 passant         OldCoder, i have no shout as it appears but hi
05:57 OldCoder        see other msg
06:01 AlexYst         Is there a way in any sort of callback to know what item a player just acquired by digging? For example, if a player dug leaves, I want to know id they got leaves or a sapling. If they dug gravel, I want to know if they got gravel or flint.
06:01 AlexYst         Simply knowing what the node was before they dug it isn't what I'm after.
06:04 OldCoder        AlexYst, hello. Reviewing.
06:04 OldCoder        AlexYst, my experience falls short of this. Try asking in #minetest-project
06:04 OldCoder        Possibly in 8 hours
06:04 OldCoder        Hm
06:05 AlexYst         Alright. Thanks, OldCoder! I hadn't heard of that channel.
06:05 OldCoder        AlexYst, is your nick registered?
06:05 OldCoder        Join and let me voice you manually if not
06:05 AlexYst         OldCoder: I think so. I think it's a registered alias of another nick.
06:05 OldCoder        Wait
06:07 VanessaE        AlexYst: in a register-on-dignode callback.
06:07 VanessaE        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2081
06:07 AlexYst         VanessaE: That tells me the position, the digger, and the old node, but not the drop.
06:07 VanessaE        use this if you need to know every and any kind of node, at random
06:08 VanessaE        OH
06:08 VanessaE        hm'
06:08 AlexYst         Ha ha, yeah, strange request.
06:08 VanessaE        well you could compare the inventory before and after the callback :)
06:09 AlexYst         Check every player's inventory every milisecond in case they happen to be about to dig?
06:09 VanessaE        nah
06:09 AlexYst         *millisecond
06:09 VanessaE        you'd do it in that ^^^ callback
06:09 VanessaE        but get_node_drops() might be useful too
06:10 VanessaE        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2520
06:10 VanessaE        maybe wedge into this
06:10 AlexYst         That callback will only give me the post-dig inventory, not the pre-dig inventory to compare it against. As for get_node_drops(), it'll recalculate them, not tell me what was actually dropped.
06:11 AlexYst         Ah, thank you.
06:11 AlexYst         I think overwriting minetest.handle_node_drops() is what I need.
06:12 VanessaE        actually I'm surprised there isn't a more straightforward method, now that you mention it.
06:12 AlexYst         I can store the default, then call it from within a redefined version that checks things first.
06:12 VanessaE        yep
06:12 VanessaE        that's what I mean by a "wedge"
06:14 VanessaE        (from my Commodore 64 days, it was common to modify some of the system code to insert new DOS commands/functions.  we called that a "disk wedge")
06:14 AlexYst         Right, sorry. I'm a bit tired.
06:14 VanessaE        no worries.
06:18 AlexYst         Wait. THat function isn't what I thought it was. I think it might be even more perfect. Sweet!
06:19 AlexYst         I thought it did more, but it specifically gets called once the items are known. It doesn't even calculate them from within.
06:20 VanessaE        hope that helps :)
06:20 AlexYst         It does. Thank you!
06:20 VanessaE        cheers :)
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09:26 DS-minetest     hi MinetestBot
09:26 MinetestBot     Hello DS-minetest.
10:02 IhrFussel       I still couldn't reproduce the crash since last time yet but I found another bug with the chat ... it seems to happen at random times with all sorts of chat messages http://i.imgur.com/LjjMkq0.png ... as you can see the engine puts a newline in between words a lot
10:06 IhrFussel       Resizing the window often helps ... sometimes the next message will fix the incorrect newline too
10:17 IhrFussel       The bug only happens with the last word it seems... like just now someone left and it said "xyz is now offline. (connection[newline]timeout)" and when the next message appeared the previous one changed to "xyz is now offline. (connection timeout)"
10:23 celeron55       IhrFussel: which version of freetype do you have?
10:23 koz_            According to: http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest#Building_without_Irrlicht_.2F_X_dependency I can build a server-only build of Minetest without 'Irrlicht or any graphical stuff'. What exactly does this mean the dependencies are, then?
10:24 IhrFussel       celeron55, if you mean freetype-config then 18.1.12
10:25 celeron55       koz_: if you think of debian dependencies, i think at least these are unused then: libirrlicht-dev libbz2-dev libfreetype6-dev libpng12-dev libjpeg8-dev libxxf86vm-dev libgl1-mesa-dev libogg-dev libvorbis-dev libopenal-dev
10:25 celeron55       (and i don't think libhiredis-dev is needed in any case unless you want redis)
10:26 koz_            celeron55: Would a Banana Pi be able to run a 'bare' server?
10:26 koz_            (like, no graphical client, just the server)
10:27 celeron55       well, it'll start and run of course
10:27 koz_            Well, I meant in the sense of 'and people can actually play on it'.
10:28 celeron55       i hope someone can answer that 8)
10:28 koz_            celeron55: Would it help if I gave you its specs?
10:28 celeron55       i already checked, but i'm not the one running servers around here
10:29 IhrFussel       koz_, even an Android phone could serve as a Minetest server ... I doubt your device is less powerful
10:29 koz_            IhrFussel: Alrighty, I might just give it a try then.
10:30 IhrFussel       A barebones server with no external mods should run on anything...if you plan to add heavy mods that's another question
10:30 celeron55       it's up to the player count and mods
10:31 koz_            I don't think I'll run any mods, or very few, and I doubt I'll have more than a half-dozen players.
10:31 * koz_          doesn't have a lot of Minetest-loving friends.
10:40 IhrFussel       Regarding the player count: I noticed it when I connected once with my phone to my server while it had suddenly 30 players ... I wonder what causes this extreme stutter compared to 10 or 15 players ... is the player data refreshing such a resource hog celeron55 ?
10:41 celeron55       was the only difference the player count?
10:41 celeron55       probably not :P
10:42 IhrFussel       celeron55, actually yes..I didn't add any content to my server...areas that had 20 - 25 FPS suddenly were 10 - 15 FPS ... as soon as the majority left the FPS went up again
10:43 celeron55       submitting an issue on github with some details might be a good idea
10:44 IhrFussel       Maybe it's important to mention that my server has unlimited transfer distance
10:44 celeron55       by the way, what is the freetype package version?
10:45 IhrFussel       I only have the package "freetype-config" on my PC and --version gives 18.1.12
10:45 celeron55       eg. i have 2.6.0 for which "freetype-config --version" gives 18.0.12
10:45 celeron55       which distro?
10:46 IhrFussel       Xubuntu 16.04
10:46 celeron55       (this is fedora, so i checked using dnf info freetype)
10:47 celeron55       i guess "apt-cache show libfreetype6"
10:47 IhrFussel       Version: 2.6.1-0.1ubuntu2
10:48 IhrFussel       Could it be an OpenGL issue? My version is extremely old (1.5)
10:50 IhrFussel       But then again I don't even know if the chat requires OpenGL to display...I'm guessing no
10:50 celeron55       extremely unlikely
10:52 celeron55       well i can't get any other's freetype versions for reference right now and nothing else comes to mind that could affect that
10:53 IhrFussel       celeron55, no problem thanks though =)
10:53 celeron55       submit an issue on github if possible
11:00 celeron55       ok, now i got some for reference: 19.0.13 and 17.1.11 apparently work
11:01 celeron55       which means i have the closest version and don't have that issue; could still be a problem with that particular build of it (by ubuntu) but seems unlikely
11:02 celeron55       could be caused by compiler optimizations too; it's quite clearly some kind of a rounding error or similar
11:15 DS-minetest     something in the lua api is unlogical
11:15 DS-minetest     in https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2508 it's called method
11:15 DS-minetest     but in the example beyond it's called "type"
11:15 DS-minetest     so, what is true?
11:23 celeron55       lol, how is it possible nobody has noticed that
11:24 DS-minetest     +
11:24 celeron55       "method" is correct, "type" does nothing
11:24 DS-minetest     ok
11:25 DS-minetest     I'll make a PR to fix it
11:27 DS-minetest     #5604
11:27 DS-minetest     https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/5604
11:32 DS-minetest     hi ThomasMonroe
11:32 ThomasMonroe    hi DS
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11:59 IhrFussel       I think I found the problem regarding the silent crashes: minetest: ../../nouveau/pushbuf.c:238: pushbuf_krel: Zusicherung »bkref« nicht erfüllt.
11:59 mechanik        hello
12:08 mechanik        jest tu ktoÅ› z Polski?
12:13 DS-minetest     hm, I'm just seeing, method and type are given
12:16 Krock           hmm.. somehow I got a déjà vu
12:17 Krock           there already was an issue/PR about this inconsistency
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12:27 mechanik        where i can find clay?
12:31 mechanik        goodbye
12:41 IhrFussel       Impatient people...
12:46 red-004         ^
12:50 Jordach         >expecting IRC to be like a live chat system
12:52 IhrFussel       Well in theory the chat message does reach all connected clients in realtime...but IRC is more like a "check every X mins/hours" chat system xP
12:56 IhrFussel       Great, so I found out the silent crashes are caused by the Nouveau Graphics Driver my GPU uses and there is nothing I can do about it since there are no updates available -.-
12:58 Markow          IhrFussel: Nouveau is a horrible Linux driver: Use Nvidia proprietary instead
12:58 IhrFussel       Not sure what the person means but their comment on it is "nouveau doesn't handle multithreaded GL usage (even if it's done by having separate contexts per thread). If the application has a mode which adds an interlock to GL calls, please try enabling it. (The issue isn't with multiple contexts, but with concurrent use of multiple contexts.)"
12:59 IhrFussel       Markow, I doubt that I can get drivers for this old card anymore^^
12:59 Markow          What's the card? Mine is pretty old and drivers are still available
13:00 IhrFussel       GeForce FX 5200
13:00 Markow          I have only a GeForce 210
13:00 Markow          You're is much better I think
13:00 Markow          There definitely is a Linux driver for it
13:00 Markow          *Yours
13:00 IhrFussel       But where do I get its driver?
13:00 Markow          Directly from their website
13:01 Markow          Everything works much better using Nvidia's proprietary Linux driver for me
13:01 Markow          Games are faster, Graphics display quicker, etc
13:02 Jordach         *you don't say*
13:02 IhrFussel       Markow, there are 2 entries which one should I choose ? http://www.nvidia.de/object/linux_supported_de.html
13:03 Markow          IhrFussel: You're on the wrong area of the website
13:03 Markow          Let me find it for you..
13:03 Markow          One moment please...
13:04 Markow          You have 64-bit Linux, right?
13:04 IhrFussel       No 32
13:05 Markow          ok, moment...
13:05 Markow          IhrFussel: Here is your driver:  http://www.nvidia.com/download/driverResults.aspx/71302/en-us
13:07 IhrFussel       Markow, thanks a lot...and where do I need to move the file to? I never installed drivers
13:07 Markow          I would walk you through it if I had time now, but I must do some things. But do this:
13:08 Markow          First, make the file executable by: chmod 755 FILENAME
13:08 Markow          Then, do the following:
13:09 IhrFussel       Ok done
13:09 Markow          You must get out of X by: systemctl isolate multi-user.target
13:09 Markow          Then, run the installer:  ./filename
13:09 Markow          But wait, even more...
13:09 Markow          You must block the nouveau module driver from loading
13:09 Markow          in /etc/modprobe.d
13:10 IhrFussel       Before I leave X?
13:10 Markow          actually, before you do anything...
13:10 Markow          block the nouveau driver...
13:10 Markow          then...
13:11 Markow          You want or recreate your initial RAM disk
13:11 Markow          using Dracut, at least that's what I use
13:11 Markow          then reboot
13:11 Markow          Next step, run "systemctl isolate multi-user.target" to get out of X
13:11 Markow          Go into a TTY screen and then go into root
13:11 Markow          Run the installer
13:12 Markow          Initially, it's all a bit tricky, but once you get the hang of installing the Nvidia driver, it's a piece of cake
13:12 Markow          and well worth it
13:14 Markow          Make sure in the install process, you choose NOT to configure Xorg.conf, it's not necessary
13:18 Markow          When you run systemctl isolate multi-user.target, to get into a TTY (console) screen to do your work, use: CTL-ALT-(F1 to F6 key)
13:57 Nyarg           hi ) I see animation - type="vertical_frames" . What is a type animation else may be ?
14:13 Krock           Nyarg, only   type = "sheet_2d"  but I have no clue what it does
14:18 Crawlins        salutations :,D
14:19 Krock           hi
14:19 Crawlins        I've just begun digging in to minetest... always thought those games were neat but never played them much. Now I'm working on learning to make fun mods.
14:20 Krock           well then, welcome :)
14:20 Nyarg           hi ) thank you ) Is here a way to synchronize node animations  ? Right now it seems desynchronized somewhere.
14:29 Crawlins        Is there somebody particularly apt with mods I could ask some questions to help me get rolling?
14:29 Crawlins        I'm trying to work on a tool, but I can't connect a couple of dots to make it do what I would like.
14:39 ThomasMonroe    what do you want to know?
14:40 Jordach         #    Whether node texture animations should be desynchronized per mapblock.
14:40 Jordach         # desynchronize_mapblock_texture_animation = true
14:41 ThomasMonroe    i was talking to Crawlins Jordach
14:41 Jordach         ThomasMonroe, it was to Nyarg ;)
14:41 ThomasMonroe    oh sorry
14:41 Jordach         Nyarg, see above :)
14:42 ThomasMonroe    bad timeing i guess
14:44 Crawlins        ThomasMonroe, for testing, I'd like a tool to say things in chat when it hits certain objects.
14:45 ThomasMonroe    hmmm. thatd be neat
14:45 Crawlins        Down the road, this would result in fun RPG elements like needing a special axe for a special tree (for example)
14:45 ThomasMonroe    ah ok cool
14:45 ThomasMonroe    so what do you need to know
14:45 Crawlins        For now, I'd just like to make development tools, if i hit a node I'd like it to display the default:nodename in chat so I don't have to look things up, for example
14:46 Crawlins        following the chatty_bricks tutorial, I can get all bricks to show their name when I hit them, but now I'd like it to only happen if I do it with my magnifying glass tool
14:46 ThomasMonroe    ok well in-game if you turn on debug info, you can see the name of th highlighted node
14:47 ThomasMonroe    press F5 to get the debug info
14:47 Crawlins        Ah, that is good to know. I am particularly interested in the interaction between my custom item and a node.
14:48 ThomasMonroe    idk about that sort of thing, i myself am realtivily new to modding
14:48 ThomasMonroe    it would probly be linked in the wiki though
14:48 ThomasMonroe    i'll check
14:48 Jordach         iirc there was an item that inspected a node and printed it's properties to a formspec
14:49 Crawlins        That would be interesting to dissect. The end functionality I'm looking for is to change the properties of nodes with certain items. Example, hit dirty water with a purifier to make it drinking water.
14:50 Crawlins        Or hit a lead node with a midasfinger to make it gold x,D you catch my drift
14:52 Nyarg           thank Jordach )
14:52 Jordach         go drop that with it ending in false to your minetest.conf
14:54 ThomasMonroe    yeah, im looking around right now on the wiki to see if there is anything and then i'll give you the link if i find anything
14:55 Jordach         https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=17092
14:55 Jordach         clientside mod that inspects nodes
14:55 Jordach         (and items(
14:55 Crawlins        Thank you, Jordach!
14:55 Jordach         requires a minetest 0.4.16-dev build
14:55 Jordach         Crawlins, read: not stable
14:56 ThomasMonroe    i found something Crawlins
14:56 ThomasMonroe    http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/chapters/node_metadata.html
14:56 ThomasMonroe    you could use some metadata in the nodes to change properties in them
14:57 Crawlins        So when I do  minetest.register_on_punchnode can I make an
14:57 Crawlins        "if" condition that checks if the weapon in my hand is.. for example.. rpgtool:magicaxe ?
14:57 Jordach         yes
14:57 Crawlins        Or would I want to build that kind of thing in to the axe itself?
14:58 Jordach         puncher:get_wielded_item():get_name()
14:59 Jordach         local node = minetest.get_node(pos) \n if node.name == "node:name" and itemname == "item:name" then
14:59 Crawlins        <3 <3 <3 <3
14:59 Jordach         you can also, do local in_hand = puncher:get_wielded_item():get_name()
15:01 Jordach         when you're done you can do puncher:set_wielded_item("item:here 1") or use local new_item = ItemStack()
15:01 Jordach         and apply wear using itemstack gained from pumncher
15:04 Jordach         Crawlins, https://github.com/tenplus1/farming/blob/master/hoes.lua#L105
15:05 Jordach         you can get the current wielded itemstack via puncher:get_wielded_item()
15:11 Crawlins        Jordach https://codeshare.io/aldzbd
15:11 Jordach         you don;t even need digging
15:12 Crawlins        Oh, right, that's just because I copied a pickaxe
15:17 Jordach         there is one difference between a tool and item
15:17 Jordach         an item has regular meta, the tool has wear meta and regular meta
15:17 Jordach         wear = durability
15:19 Crawlins        I think minetest.register_on_punchnode is crashing my game xD
15:19 Crawlins        using example from: http://dev.minetest.net/minetest.register_on_punchnode
15:32 DS-minetest     hmm, somehow indexing with tables doesn't work
15:32 DS-minetest     eg. {[{"bla"}] = "bli", [{"foo"}] = "bar"}
15:33 DS-minetest     print(dump(t[{"bla"}])) gives nil
15:33 DS-minetest     but why?
15:33 DS-minetest     can anybody help?
15:34 Krock           because it's not the same table
15:35 Krock           you'd have to do something like this: local keything = { "bla" }    mytable[keything] = "bli"   dump(mytable[keything])
15:35 DS-minetest     ok, I'll try that
15:35 DS-minetest     thanks
15:40 DS-minetest     it still doesn't work with
15:40 DS-minetest     local t = {}
15:40 DS-minetest     local keything = {"bla"}
15:40 DS-minetest     t[keything] = "bli"
15:40 DS-minetest     keything = {"foo"}
15:40 DS-minetest     t[keything] = "bar"
15:40 DS-minetest     local key = {"bla"}
15:40 DS-minetest     print(dump(t[key]))
15:40 * DS-minetest   hopes that's not too long for direct irc >_<
15:41 Krock           because it's not the same table again
15:41 DS-minetest     oh
15:41 Krock           the reference must be the same. Hash the stuff if you want to index it from anywhere
15:41 DS-minetest     ok
15:42 Krock           see * `minetest.hash_node_position({x=,y=,z=})`: returns an 48-bit integer
15:42 Krock           but well, only for positions
15:42 DS-minetest     and for any tables?
15:42 Krock           can't you just use regular indices
15:43 Krock           just use strings as keys or even better, numbers
15:43 DS-minetest     i could serialize or dump the tables
15:43 DS-minetest     the keys
15:43 Krock           yes sure but then's your key bigger than the actual value if you want that
15:44 DS-minetest     hm, i could make 2 tables with number keys that fit to each other
15:44 Krock           IMO, you should consider using another strategy to process/store your data
15:46 * DS-minetest   will hash it
15:49 DS-minetest     it works now :D
15:49 DS-minetest     thanks Krock
15:49 Krock           !next
15:49 MinetestBot     Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:53 DS-minetest     btw. if anyone wants to know, I needed it for https://github.com/DS-Minetest/pipeworks/commit/18a0abbf6e9d553fe2eb2ce516efead61b7d02b5
15:53 DS-minetest     (i'll have to do more commits to make it usedful)
15:53 DS-minetest     -d*
16:02 GreenDimond     *sigh* VanessaE? sfan5? Calinou? another forum spammer. markj11
16:03 DS-minetest     GreenDimond: just use report button
16:03 GreenDimond     Faster this way.
16:04 GreenDimond     I have done it before anyways. might as well do it the same way :P
16:04 GreenDimond     I *seriously* think we need a spammer detector.
16:07 Calinou         GreenDimond: spam detection is very tricky
16:07 Calinou         these days, a sizeable amount of spam is done via humans
16:08 Calinou         (I've noticed that at least once)
16:08 GreenDimond     This spamming is getting out of hand though.
16:08 GreenDimond     I do have some ideas on a spam detector
16:08 Calinou         ok, the spammer should be gone now
16:08 Calinou         well, all we could do is use reCAPTCHA
16:09 Calinou         but reCAPTCHA is not perfect, it's also proprietary so not highly regarded in open source circles
16:09 Calinou         (and it's Google-owned, too)
16:09 GreenDimond     Such as, if a user posts multiple posts that are at least 90% the same (body, not title) then do stuff.
16:10 GreenDimond     Or have speed based, like multiple posts >100 characters or something in less than 5 minutes than do stuff.
16:10 GreenDimond     *then
16:10 Calinou         yeah, we could look at rate limiting extensions (or built-in phpBB abilities) perhaps
16:10 Calinou         most notably for users with few posts
16:11 Calinou         (or recent accounts, or both)
16:11 GreenDimond     Or language based. Lots of these spammers are foreign. They post foreign stuff in English sections (against the rules).
16:12 GreenDimond     ^(not to say all spammers are foreign, just pointing out that a lot of them recently have been)
16:13 Calinou         language detection is not easy, but it is possible
16:13 Crawlins        People should have to solve a puzzle in minetest to prove they're not a robot ;D
16:14 GreenDimond     The point is, we can't keep bugging you guys to stop these people.
16:14 GreenDimond     You probably have more important things to do :/
16:15 GreenDimond     lol Maybe people that have been on the forum for >3 years and have >1000 posts could get a spam-watch rank xD jk
16:15 GreenDimond     is kaeza only able to remove/move posts?
16:15 GreenDimond     Cuz her name is normal, not yellow like urs
16:15 GreenDimond     (or his, i dunno)
16:16 DS-minetest     only because someone has many posts and is already registered since a long time doesn't mean, that he is trust able GreenDimond
16:17 GreenDimond     Hence, the 'jk'.
16:17 DS-minetest     jk?
16:17 GreenDimond     'Just Kidding'
16:17 DS-minetest     ahhh
16:17 GreenDimond     lol
16:18 GreenDimond     If someone has >1000 posts, they could be $#!+posts (*cough cough* ABJ), and therefore not trustable.
16:21 GreenDimond     Anywhos, I'm off.
16:21 GreenDimond     o/
16:24 Calinou         <GreenDimond> You probably have more important things to do :/
16:24 Calinou         meh, it's holidays for me this week :P
16:35 Crawlins        Can somebody point me in the right direction in terms of manipulating contents of a book?
16:45 benrob0329      Calinou: space magic
16:46 benrob0329      Er Crawlins
16:47 celeron55       try changing some bits
16:52 Crawlins        thanks benrob0329 do you have a link? My idea is a book that accumulates knowledge by "hitting" signs with it.
16:54 thefamilygrog66 Crawlins: that's a really cool mod idea
16:54 XtremeHacker    Anyone know where I can find an up-to-date version of the Blitz 3D export plugin for Blender?
16:55 XtremeHacker    All I can find is either ones that say they are for <2.50, or they don't specify
16:55 Crawlins        thanks thefamilygrog66 I have a lot of fun ideas, just gotta figure out how to make them, haha
16:56 XtremeHacker    Just found it: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14257
16:57 thefamilygrog66 Crawlins: I hear ya. I've made a few unusual mods on my own server, based on strange ideas as well
17:56 DS-minetest     lol, Tre your Rubystone mod doesn't event have an init.lua
17:57 Tre             ik i just started it DS
17:58 Tre             literally, i created the repo then made the post
17:58 Tre             i havnt had time to start yet
18:02 DS-minetest     tomorrow the daily ppa is not working since one moth or more
18:07 Tre             sorry
18:07 Tre             why dont you use the stable?
18:08 DS-minetest     because the daily is nicer
18:09 DS-minetest     and many mods need it
18:09 DS-minetest     and co.
18:13 DS-minetest     bye MinetestBot
18:13 DS-minetest     and everyone else
20:08 GreenDimond     I am slightly annoyed -_-
20:08 VanessaE        lemme guess... another spammer?
20:09 GreenDimond     Nope.
20:09 fireglow        heh
20:09 Krock           did they steal your pony again?
20:10 GreenDimond     I want a weather mod that has rain, thunder, and lighting (flashy skybox). I like sofar's snowdrift mod rain, but I also want MCL2's thunder/lightning, which is a modified version of weather_pack. The 2 mods are not exactly compatible and my attempts to combine them are futile.
20:10 VanessaE        heh
20:11 GreenDimond     sofars rain mod is lightweight, which is why I like it, but I want to add thunder/lightning to it D:
20:11 VanessaE        snowdrift is paramat's mod isn't it
20:11 VanessaE        ?
20:12 GreenDimond     *sigh* yes. I always get the 2 confused.
20:13 GreenDimond     snowdrift is by paramat and weather_pack is by xeranas and modified by Wuzzy.
20:14 sofar           I didn't make a rain mod
20:14 sofar           at least, I don't remember doing that
20:14 GreenDimond     You didnt.
20:14 GreenDimond     Read my reply :P
20:14 sofar           you stole my thunder
20:14 GreenDimond     *ba-dum tssss*
20:14 VanessaE        sofar: didn't you make a lightning mod though?
20:15 GreenDimond     ^tru dat
20:15 sofar           I made a fantastic lightning mod, yes
20:15 VanessaE        indeed
20:15 GreenDimond     Well...
20:16 GreenDimond     It is nice, but I don't want the lightning strike. I just want the quick skybox color flash corresponding with the thunder.
20:16 GreenDimond     (like Wuzzy's modified version of w_p)
20:16 Fixer           sofar: and it is now usable after those light tixes
20:16 VanessaE        you want cloud-to-cloud lightning
20:16 VanessaE        rather than cloud-to-ground.
20:17 GreenDimond     I think so, yes.
20:17 fireglow        I want it all
20:17 fireglow        especially cloud-to-player
20:18 GreenDimond     It would be easy to just use the modified w_p and change the texture and sound (the ones from paramat's) but it is a lot laggier on servers.
20:18 sofar           Fixer: it is?
20:18 sofar           the `glow` really helped afaicr
20:19 sofar           oh I thought you said "unusable" lol
20:19 GreenDimond     :/
20:19 VanessaE        well that can be solved by calculating where a streamer ought to come from (maybe several places, always something tall), and directing the actual return stroke to one of those
20:19 GreenDimond     VE: I don't care about the texture. I just want a skybox flash.
20:19 sofar           VanessaE: lightning mod works by spawning a particle with high velocity downwards
20:19 sofar           VanessaE: that way I can always make it "hit" something
20:19 GreenDimond     I could care less about a streak of lightning going thru the sky.
20:19 VanessaE        GreenDimond: I was talkng to fireglow actually.
20:20 VanessaE        sofar: nice trick
20:20 GreenDimond     Ah, my bad.
20:20 sofar           GreenDimond: doesn't the lightning skycolor mod part work?
20:20 GreenDimond     In your mod?
20:20 sofar           obviously
20:20 sofar           it's short but lights up the entire sky
20:21 GreenDimond     Durrr... dunno. I will check. After I make a sandwich. sofar: If you say it does, it probably do. But I want it to also correspond with thunder.
20:21 GreenDimond     brb making a sandwich...
20:21 sofar           GreenDimond: that's what it does, obviously
20:21 sofar           https://github.com/minetest-mods/lightning
20:22 sofar           I think it should even work with my skybox mod together
20:25 GreenDimond     sandwich made.
20:25 GreenDimond     You have thunder with yours o-0
20:29 GreenDimond     sofar: there a command to make it do stuff? or entirely chance?
20:32 GreenDimond     aaaaand I am dumb. MCL2 uses lighting mod + w_p
20:34 GreenDimond     sofar: setting lightning.auto to false will disable the strike but still make the sky flash?
20:49 GreenDimond     Ehhh nvm. I think I figured it out :D
20:49 GreenDimond     Thanks!
20:52 GreenDimond     Now I shall add water splooshes to the water!
20:53 ThomasMonroe    splooshes?
20:53 VanessaE        splooshes.
20:55 Fixer           related https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQ3GEncwh8
20:57 GreenDimond     Rain hits water. Rings form. Sploosh.
21:08 sofar           animated ring textures on the water surface should be easy
21:08 sofar           esp. with animated particles
21:11 IhrFussel       How expensive would it be to check the contents of a text file inside after_use ?
21:11 sofar           how often does the text file change?
21:12 IhrFussel       The file could change every few seconds
21:12 sofar           what kind of data is in there?
21:12 sofar           who generates the changes?
21:13 IhrFussel       It's just a numerical value generated by an external bash script
21:13 sofar           that could race if done wrong
21:14 sofar           make sure you don't do `echo 123 > file` directly
21:14 sofar           always do `echo 123 > file.new && mv file.new file`
21:14 sofar           that's atomic and safe
21:15 sofar           doing IO isn't free, but it's not terribly bad
21:15 IhrFussel       Ok thanks for the tip, but I wonder how the engine/Lua will behave when for example players use the item a lot within 1 second and trigger the file check each time...how bad could the performance get?
21:16 sofar           open/close calls even a moderate linux system can handle thousands per second
21:16 sofar           even from lua
21:17 sofar           if you're worried, then don't read the file every time
21:17 sofar           just cache it and re-read if it was a while ago
21:17 sofar           last_file_read_time = os.time()
21:17 sofar           something like that
21:18 IhrFussel       sofar, would io.open make the whole server lag?
21:18 sofar           not a single io.open call
21:18 sofar           but hundreds, maybe
21:18 sofar           it's bad design for sure
21:18 sofar           but, depending on the use, it may be ok
21:26 IhrFussel       hmm...well I can't foresee how much they will use it =/
21:27 IhrFussel       I'm guessing worst case scenario would be 15 players using it 5 times per second = 60 file checks
21:29 IhrFussel       Wait my math is wrong xD 75 file checks*
21:43 GreenDimond     sofar: I don't know how to do that xD
21:44 sofar           GreenDimond: do what?
21:44 GreenDimond     The particles for rain hitting water ripples
21:44 GreenDimond     I would assume they would be O shaped and expand and fade
21:44 sofar           you learn by trying :D
21:44 GreenDimond     and generate on top of the water randomly
21:45 GreenDimond     oh boy. Time to get my hands messy :o
21:47 GreenDimond     I suppose the lua api will have stuff on particle gen?
21:47 sofar           you betcha
21:48 GreenDimond     Either there is another place in there it's explained or it's documentation is horrible.
21:49 GreenDimond     ahh it would be the first.
21:49 GreenDimond     Found it :P
21:52 rdococ          GrenDiamonde!
21:53 GreenDimond     mh?
22:00 Fixer           time to visit hometown
22:03 Hijiri          sofar: an attacker could send thousands of interact packets, not sure if minetest does any throttling or throwing away of such things
22:03 benrob0329      I want to see ERB do a Linix vs OSX rap battle
22:04 GreenDimond     ^Linux would win
22:04 benrob0329      Or a Richard Stallman
22:04 benrob0329      Vs BSD creator
22:05 benrob0329      GreenDimond: both are Unixes, so pethaps it would turn into Stan Lee vs Jim Henson
22:05 sofar           Hijiri: that's why I said to cache and limit the file reads
22:05 Hijiri          oh yeah, sorry
22:05 benrob0329      With windows stepping in at the end :D
22:06 Hijiri          I wonder how bad it would look if I tried to dither transparency into textures
22:07 benrob0329      use_texture_alpha = true Hijiri
22:08 Hijiri          for entities I mean
22:08 Hijiri          or was partial transparency implemented for entities also?
22:18 GreenDimond     First test of adding water ripples. :/ let's see how this goes...
22:18 sofar           it doesn't work afaicr
22:18 sofar           it's either fully transparent, or opaque
22:20 GreenDimond     code. meh...
22:20 sofar           easy enough to find_nodes_under_air()
22:20 sofar           minetest.find_nodes_in_area_under_air(minp, maxp, nodenames)
22:21 GreenDimond     Who you talkin to?
22:21 sofar           pick a random one
22:21 sofar           put a particle at the top
22:21 sofar           GreenDimond: to GreenDimond
22:21 GreenDimond     ah.
22:21 GreenDimond     :P
22:29 GreenDimond     sofar: is this right (methinks it is not)? https://gist.github.com/GreenXenith/cafb46af86ecd38f505b22ea9749c363
22:31 GreenDimond     hrm. added if and then
22:31 GreenDimond     but the find_nodes_in_area_under_air did not work
22:32 sofar           it returns an array
22:32 sofar           you made plenty of typos
22:33 GreenDimond     o-o yeah I am seeing that
22:33 sofar           minp, maxp are vectors
22:33 sofar           so, {x = ..., y = ..., z = ...} thingies
22:33 sofar           then it returns an array
22:33 sofar           so you need to do a `for k, v in pairs(...) do` somewhere
22:34 GreenDimond     ...
22:34 sofar           there's no position in your add_particle
22:34 GreenDimond     yeah I realize that
22:34 sofar           oh, this is interesting, MT can't make horizontal particles
22:34 sofar           so it won't work regardless
22:34 sofar           heh, I didn't even think about that yet
22:35 GreenDimond     That a) saves me from having to figure out all that code and b) leaves me with having to find a different solution.
22:36 GreenDimond     hm...
22:37 GreenDimond     They don't even have to be rings, they could just be upset water.
22:37 GreenDimond     It just seems unnatural for water to remain calm during rain :/
22:39 benrob0329      A splash?
22:40 GreenDimond     Kinda.
22:40 GreenDimond     I want to upset the water.
22:40 sofar           just do a vertical splash animation
22:40 benrob0329      A splash wouldn't have to be horizontal
22:40 sofar           .
22:40 sofar           v
22:40 sofar           .
22:40 GreenDimond     ..?
22:41 GreenDimond     I have another idea.
22:41 sofar           or something like:
22:41 sofar           .
22:41 sofar           v
22:41 sofar           . .
22:41 GreenDimond     I could make it like minecraft and have little drops bounce off when the raindrops hit the ground
22:42 sofar           that's what I'm suggesting
22:42 sofar           lol
22:42 GreenDimond     Oh I thought you were talking about animated xD
22:43 sofar           yes animated
22:43 GreenDimond     ...
22:43 GreenDimond     Minecraft rain splashes arent animated
22:43 GreenDimond     https://media.giphy.com/media/iFhSN3rqx1inu/giphy.gif
22:44 sofar           that doesn't mean you should make the same mistake
22:44 GreenDimond     lol
22:44 GreenDimond     what if I dont want it animated :P
22:45 sofar           that means you're making the same mistake
22:45 GreenDimond     how is it a mistake?
22:46 VanessaE        is it even possible to animate a particle on impact?
22:46 sofar           every code or artwork created is by definition a mistake :)
22:46 GreenDimond     lol
22:46 sofar           VanessaE: yes, because drops like that are just spawned at the impact point
22:46 sofar           not that anything impacts
22:46 VanessaE        I mean in MT in particular
22:47 GreenDimond     Therefore it would not be the same because it is different code and probably a different texture.
22:47 VanessaE        Oh wait I see
22:47 sofar           there's only collision_remove = true (which I added recently)
22:47 VanessaE        interesting idea really, I guess a falling raindrop doesn't actually have to correspond to a "plop" on the ground
22:47 sofar           yup, no need to
22:48 sofar           you only want circles in water, so, they're spawned there
22:48 sofar           raindrops sliding down sides of blocks would be a different spawn thing
22:49 GreenDimond     I am beginning to think this is a bit to complicated for my modding level (low).
22:49 GreenDimond     *too
22:50 sofar           your modding skill has just increased by +1!
22:50 sofar           You have gained 10 skill points!
22:50 GreenDimond     mhh +0.2..
22:50 sofar           You have gained 1 point in reading code documentation!
22:50 GreenDimond     ^tru dat
22:50 sofar           You have gained 2 points in trying random code!
22:50 GreenDimond     ^also, tru dat
22:51 Calinou         I remember back when PCs were not as powerful as today, and rain made everyone's PCs slow down to a crawl
22:52 Calinou         everyone hated it, many servers disabled rain entirely
22:52 Calinou         (and I think many still do today)
22:52 sofar           It'll be interesting what people will come up wrt better particles
22:52 sofar           I intend to CSM the crap out of them
22:52 GreenDimond     On a scale from 1-100 (1 being I could add a block of dirt, 100 being super-dev-level) I would put myself at maybe a... from 10-20.
22:52 sofar           see my torch particle video for instance
22:53 GreenDimond     go
22:53 VanessaE        animated particles and such aside, did we ever get proper irrlicht particles like jin-xi was trying to do?
22:53 sofar           no
22:53 VanessaE        damn.
22:53 GreenDimond     meh. wrong windo.
22:53 GreenDimond     *window
22:55 GreenDimond     interesting torch concept.
22:55 GreenDimond     Question.
22:56 GreenDimond     Is there such thing as an inverse glasslike node? Like you can only see the texture of a side if that side is touching something that is not air.
22:57 sofar           no, but you could fake it with connected nodeboxes I think
22:57 GreenDimond     nah. I will just make it a normal block :/
22:57 sofar           You've lost +2 risk taking
22:58 GreenDimond     Nono, I just don't want nodeboxes.
22:58 GreenDimond     :P
22:58 sofar           -1 charisma
22:58 GreenDimond     :(
22:59 GreenDimond     -3 feelgoods.
23:08 benrob0329      sofar++
23:08 benrob0329      Does karma npt work here?
23:08 benrob0329      ~karma sofar++
23:08 ShadowBot       benrob0329: sofar++ has neutral karma.
23:08 benrob0329      ~sofar++
23:09 benrob0329      ~karma sofar +2
23:09 ShadowBot       benrob0329: sofar: 2.  +2 has neutral karma.
23:15 nore            ~karma
23:15 ShadowBot       nore: Highest karma: "c" (5), "ShadowBot" (2), and "Matrix" (2).  Lowest karma: "<JadenWolf> --." (-6), "<GreenDimond> --does not compute" (-2), and "<Lexiiboo25> --_" (-2).  You (nore) are ranked 191 out of 294.
23:15 nore            ~help karma
23:15 ShadowBot       nore: (karma [<channel>] [<thing> ...]) -- Returns the karma of <thing>. If <thing> is not given, returns the top N karmas, where N is determined by the config variable supybot.plugins.Karma.rankingDisplay. If one <thing> is given, returns the details of its karma; if more than one <thing> is given, returns the total karma of each of the things. <channel> is only necessary if the message (1 more message)
23:38 VanessaE        all right, I'll bite.
23:38 VanessaE        ~karma
23:38 ShadowBot       VanessaE: Highest karma: "c" (5), "ShadowBot" (2), and "Matrix" (2).  Lowest karma: "<JadenWolf> --." (-6), "<GreenDimond> --does not compute" (-2), and "<Lexiiboo25> --_" (-2).
23:39 VanessaE        well fine, piss on you, ShadowBot  :)
23:40 GreenDimond     ~karma
23:40 ShadowBot       GreenDimond: Highest karma: "c" (5), "ShadowBot" (2), and "Matrix" (2).  Lowest karma: "<JadenWolf> --." (-6), "<GreenDimond> --does not compute" (-2), and "<Lexiiboo25> --_" (-2).
23:40 GreenDimond     What does it mean by 'does not compute'?
23:41 GreenDimond     ~karma GreenDimond
23:41 ShadowBot       GreenDimond: GreenDimond has neutral karma.
23:41 GreenDimond     ahh I see