Time Nick Message 00:01 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Sneak: Fix stair lower step bug and ladder in 1x1 hole bugs 13b85301c https://git.io/vSODA (152017-03-28T23:51:13Z) 00:40 thePalindrome Alright, could somebody explain how minetest handles userdata? 00:40 thePalindrome I'm getting userdata from InvRef:get_list() and I have no clue how to process it 00:40 thePalindrome The only documentation I can find on it says "like a lua table but" 00:46 thePalindrome er... nvm, it's decided to work now 01:10 kaeza thePalindrome, "userdata" is a Lua datatype. what you can do with it depends on the metamethods. in your case, those are ItemStack objects 01:11 thePalindrome Yeah, the problem was I was trying to run minetest.log on it, which you can't do because of userdata :P 01:13 kaeza objects used by Minetest could use __tostring metamethods 01:14 kaeza at least to report which type they actually represent 01:28 silent_elk I'm playing an older version of Ravenfield. 01:28 silent_elk Were the tanks supercharged or something? 04:22 MrIbby Anyone here capable of fixing these redirects/deleting these files? 04:22 MrIbby http://wiki.minetest.net/File:MTG_Brown_Mushroom.png 04:22 MrIbby http://wiki.minetest.net/File:MTG_Red_Mushroom.png 04:27 MrIbby (The files without the MTG prefix are the newer ones) 04:31 silent_elk How does table.copy work? 04:31 silent_elk oh wait 04:31 silent_elk Silly me 04:45 silent_elk Why do clients sometimes just show grey when connecting? 04:46 silent_elk Ohhh wait my server crashed 04:46 silent_elk nvm 04:47 silent_elk Yep, having a second client connect crashes the server 04:47 * silent_elk sighs 04:47 silent_elk Back to the drawing board 04:48 epoch is there a way I could make minetest use a different dir than ~/.minetest without recompiling? 05:07 epoch JT2 is back up. 06:40 Milan[m] epoch, you could symlink the folder.. 06:41 epoch good point. 06:42 esp ^ what I do 06:42 esp Sym .minetest to minetest :) 07:09 silent_elk I'm having trouble with a server crashing. 07:09 silent_elk No error messages are saved in debug.txt 07:09 silent_elk or shown in the console 07:09 epoch awwww crap. 07:09 silent_elk It's not a public server, but it doesn't bode well for my mod, does it? 07:10 epoch I locked myself in my mine shaft. 07:11 silent_elk Why? 07:11 epoch I was building a stair on my way out and didn't check overhead clearance. 07:11 silent_elk lol 07:11 epoch I guess I could die, spawn at the top of the mine where I put my bed then go collect my bones. :P 07:13 epoch I could join as a different user and dig that block out. 07:14 epoch I have a bucket of water I could drown myself with. XD 07:14 * silent_elk slowly claps 07:14 Taose Why can't you just remove the block? 07:14 * epoch races against hunger to bottom of mine to kill self. 07:14 Taose and seriously... 07:15 epoch I used up all my picks. >_> 07:15 Taose a bucket of water 07:15 Taose -_- 07:15 epoch I didn't think I'd need them on my way out. 07:15 silent_elk https://github.com/wilkgr76/eggwars/blob/master/init.lua#L191 07:15 Taose but you thought you'd need a bucket of water 07:15 silent_elk Gotta be sillly lol 07:15 epoch oh, even quicker. a cavern to jump to the bottom of. :D 07:15 silent_elk lol 07:15 silent_elk Good luck getting your bones back 07:16 epoch it is a private mine. I don't ever see anyone out here. :) 07:16 Taose "I'm going into a mine...hmm, what should I pack, an extra pick axe or a bucket of water..." 07:16 silent_elk Water, defo 07:17 Taose XD 07:17 epoch I got that bucket of water 5 minutes after starting the game but it won't let me place it until -250 07:17 Taose O.o? 07:17 epoch I want to use that bucket darnit. 07:17 silent_elk XD 07:18 epoch gah. it let me put it but it isn't flowing. 07:18 silent_elk What server you playing on? 07:18 epoch just test 2 07:20 silent_elk lol 07:24 * epoch brings along 99 sticks this time. 07:24 silent_elk lol 07:24 silent_elk Good idea 07:24 silent_elk or even better 07:24 silent_elk just take a couple of saplings along 07:24 silent_elk You can use torches for light 07:24 silent_elk and you'll probably find dirt 07:25 epoch I think this map is just stone and ores. 07:25 silent_elk oh :( 07:25 silent_elk grab some dirt then too 07:26 epoch growing underground seems like a good idea though. 07:26 epoch wouldn't have to go back up to get supplies. 07:26 silent_elk :P 08:21 MinetestBot 02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Sneak: Fix sneaking on free-floating lower-half slabs 135e80669 https://git.io/vS33Y (152017-03-29T08:19:49Z) 08:23 silent_elk Yay! 08:24 shivajiva awesome sfan5 :) 08:47 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Lemon Chiffon Cake Day! 😃 🎂 08:47 silent_elk G'morning 08:50 PureTryOut[m] so for some reason I just can't change the hand item (yes the commit that adds that possibility is in my build). `player:get_inventory():set_stack("hand", 1, "default:sand")` as example doesn't do it 08:51 PureTryOut[m] (literally no change to the hand at all) 08:55 silent_elk Do nodes work or do you need to use a tool? 08:58 PureTryOut[m] no clue. I tried replacing the hand with the regular creative hand first, but that didn't do anything either 08:58 PureTryOut[m] but as the hand is now just a regular inventory, I'd guess a regular node/item works as well 09:15 PureTryOut[m] hmm it actually returns false... `player:get_inventory():set_stack("hand", 1 "default:sand")`. what the hell? 09:23 shangul i just wanted to create minetest page on wikipedia 09:23 shangul page was created and deleted several times 09:24 shangul where i can see the deleted page? 09:25 shangul "Keep - Looks like the poor deletionists/Minecraft fanboys are getting angry." 09:25 shangul "I find it suprising that they have 75 people on their main IRC channel alone" 09:25 shangul now it's 150 09:29 shangul 7 times was deleted, that page 09:30 shangul and the last time was 7 Jan 2015 09:31 shangul it is said that it had about 2000-3000 members on forum, now it has 10000, maybe recreating the page?after 2 years? 09:38 shangul "This page is protected from creation, so only administrators can create it." 09:49 OldCoder shangul, Hi 09:49 shangul hi OldCoder 09:49 OldCoder If I recall correctly, there is a vendetta against MT at WP 09:49 OldCoder celeron55 would remember 09:49 OldCoder WP has its own wiki 09:50 OldCoder OOps 09:50 OldCoder I mean 09:50 OldCoder MT has its own wiki 09:50 OldCoder You are most welcome to edit that 09:50 OldCoder Several people in #minetest-project or -dev 09:50 OldCoder Should be able to tell you how to access it; I forget 09:50 shangul minetest 09:51 OldCoder Hm? 09:51 OldCoder I mean, ask in those channels 09:51 OldCoder but wait a minute 09:51 OldCoder http://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page\ 09:51 OldCoder Oops 09:51 OldCoder http://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page 09:51 OldCoder shangul, ^ 09:52 shangul minecraft and a lot of other software and also games have their own wikis, but this does not mean that they should not have a page on wikipedia 09:52 shangul i saw that OldCoder, but i don't know how to edit it 09:52 OldCoder Right 09:52 OldCoder Hold on 09:52 OldCoder Come to #minetest-project please 10:15 celeron55 shangul: it was deleted because on wikipedia they decided that there are not enough important news articles about minetest 10:15 celeron55 which frankly is only because we don't do public relations stuff and not even press releases 10:16 shangul what do you mean by "press releases"? 10:17 celeron55 well, those things that companies usually spam to journalists to get those lazy bastards make news about them 10:18 OldCoder Print 10:18 OldCoder shangul, he is referring to either major corporate sites or print articles 10:18 OldCoder Which is awkward for WP in an age when print is dying 10:18 shangul i think i got that 10:19 OldCoder If you mean, you figured out the answer by yourself, that is fine. We answer questions regardless. 10:19 celeron55 there probably are enough articles about minetest these days to get on wikipedia, but the deletionists don't seem to understand that concept 10:19 shangul you should to have an article about minetest in a printed magazine 10:20 shangul you should have* 10:20 celeron55 they just look up that it was deleted and decide that should be the case forever 10:20 OldCoder celeron55, has anybody opened an issue there in the past couple of years 10:20 OldCoder ? 10:20 celeron55 shangul: no, not printed, but something big apparently 10:20 OldCoder I could ask Wales, but he actually hates me :D 10:20 celeron55 mainstream media i guess 10:21 shangul celeron55, FCM? 10:21 celeron55 they don't make their requirements very clear 10:21 OldCoder It is ad hoc, celeron55 10:21 OldCoder Friends of Wales... their stuff goes in 10:21 celeron55 also they hate it when the people who write an article about a project are the ones involved in the project 10:21 celeron55 also they *are* minecraft fanboys 10:22 shangul celeron55, how about FCM?is it big enough? 10:22 celeron55 or at least scared about microsoft 10:22 shangul heh 10:22 celeron55 i don't know what FCM is 10:22 shangul Full Circle Magazine 10:23 celeron55 well, do wales' friends read it? 10:23 shangul i don't read and follow it anyway 10:23 shangul celeron55, who are wales' friends? :D 10:23 celeron55 lol, i don't know 10:24 shangul it has a page on WP: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Circle_%28magazine%29 10:27 rubenwardy you need to go through articles for creation 10:28 shangul lemme see how many followers they have on social media 10:31 shangul 6400 on G+, 4800 on twitter, 10:31 shangul and 5000 likes on facebook, is it big enough? 10:31 celeron55 well how many does CNN have? 10:32 shangul CNN? 10:32 celeron55 :D 10:32 shangul the television channel? 10:32 silent_elk 15m 10:32 silent_elk likes on Facebook 10:32 silent_elk 15k* 10:33 silent_elk And also 15k followers on Twitter 10:33 celeron55 eh, it has 33M follower on twitter 10:33 celeron55 +s 10:33 shangul the tv channel? 10:34 celeron55 yes, i'm just trying to figure out what wikipedia would consider important enough 10:36 celeron55 if you can find something like 5 independent news articles from the past year, you might be able to convince them 10:36 celeron55 articles with 1000+ readers or something 10:37 shangul i think FCM is big enough, isn't it?those 4800 followers on twitter don't read it? 10:38 shangul oh, we need 5 of these? 10:39 shangul anyway thanks for spending time to answer me 10:42 epoch is there a trick I could do to not get hurt after falling a couple hundred blocks? 10:42 epoch :> 10:42 shangul epoch, fly, teleport, fall in water 10:43 shangul when mobs will be added to offical release of minetest? 10:45 OldCoder shangul, in my _game 10:45 shangul OldCoder, your sub game you meant? 10:45 OldCoder My minetest_game release 10:45 OldCoder In my builds 10:45 OldCoder It will come with the package 10:46 OldCoder Actually, it already might 10:46 OldCoder I forget; I'll need to check 10:46 shangul OldCoder, that will be a part of offical release? 10:47 OldCoder My official release 10:47 shangul OldCoder, where i can see your minetest_game?that repo on github? 10:47 OldCoder I will make one for you 10:47 OldCoder If you ask next week 10:47 OldCoder Pretty tired right now 10:47 shangul why make? 10:48 OldCoder I do not understand the question 10:48 OldCoder I will cut a new release 10:48 OldCoder Is that better? 10:48 shangul ah i get you now 11:05 Markow My new workstation after dumping LXDE / LXQt, MBR, & Grub2: openSUSE Linux w/: OpenBox3, Tint2, ROX-Filer2, Syslinux Bootloader, GPT Partition. Light, Fast, & Efficient! http://i.imgur.com/PGitsGb.jpg 11:05 Markow ;) 11:05 shangul OldCoder, do you have a github/gitlab/launchpad account? 11:06 shangul Markow, what you wanna do with this workstation? 11:07 Markow Hack Clinton ;) 11:08 shangul huh? 11:08 shangul what is that? 11:09 OldCoder shangul, Yes 11:09 OldCoder No MT repos that I recall; possibly one for a past PR 11:09 shangul OldCoder, aw 11:09 OldCoder I'm putting most files on minetest.org 11:10 OldCoder Watch for releases there 11:10 OldCoder Also git repos 11:10 OldCoder Redoing everything 11:10 shangul OldCoder, you want to release your minetest game next week?can i have the current release? 11:10 OldCoder shangul, I will make you a nice _game next week 11:10 OldCoder I could do it now 11:10 OldCoder But shangul I have just spent a full week on MT and am swamped IRL 11:11 shangul OldCoder, make "me"? 11:11 OldCoder Must catch up 11:11 OldCoder I do not understand the question 11:11 shangul OldCoder, there is a different minetest than what i think? 11:12 shangul hmm 11:12 shangul there is OldCoder's minetest, is it a fork of minetest or what? 11:12 OldCoder shangul, we are in an unusual period 11:13 OldCoder Mine is as official as any to the extent it is a snapshot 11:13 OldCoder shangul, MT is a git stream 11:13 OldCoder Snapshots may be taken at any point 11:13 OldCoder Excuse me, I am fixing a bug right now 11:14 shangul OldCoder, ok, sorry 11:14 OldCoder No need for sorry! 11:14 OldCoder The ones who say sorry, you know, are never the ones who ought to :-) 11:18 epoch >_> 11:18 epoch somehow I fell a couple hundred block and didn't die. 11:19 OldCoder epoch, fall damage is random 11:19 OldCoder In fact, children jump from a space station in LOTT... 11:19 OldCoder Fall 20,000 nodes 11:19 OldCoder and walk away 11:19 OldCoder Need to fix it so they make a crater 11:19 OldCoder and explode properly 11:19 epoch :) 11:22 epoch I dug all the way down to lava. 11:22 epoch hole going straight down. 11:25 riff-IRC uhhhhhhhhh 11:26 PureTryOut[m] so the "hand" item not changing what I was talking about only seems to happen on my laptop... wtf 11:26 PureTryOut[m] on desktop it works fine 11:30 epoch hrm... I think I sneak glitched my self to a stop. 11:30 epoch fell 400 and caught myself with sneak+jump when I got to a hole in the wall. 11:31 epoch or maybe I got lucky again. 11:36 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: Add CPP11 header to define nullptr & constexpr (#5471) 13b605b95 https://git.io/vS3VQ (152017-03-29T11:34:57Z) 11:50 riff-IRC . 13:02 PureTryOut[m] why does the minimap keep enabling itself when I enter a world? :/ 13:03 PureTryOut[m] (even if I turn it off before I leave the world) 13:03 VanessaE disable it in your config 13:04 VanessaE Settings tab -> "Advanced Settings", search "mini" and disable the first "minimap" one. 13:07 PureTryOut[m] well that's interesting... the content of the minimap is gone, now it's just a black box with a border and the player... cursor? 13:07 PureTryOut[m] console logs stuff of a "preview" mod? 13:08 PureTryOut[m] I'm 100% certain I didn't install a "preview" mod 13:08 sfan5 its installed by default 13:08 PureTryOut[m] is it new? I can't remember it being there before 13:08 PureTryOut[m] this is my own subgame even 13:09 sfan5 its a client-side mod 13:09 VanessaE yeah, you have to turn the minimap ON in your config, and then F9 turns it off. 13:09 VanessaE I guess if it's off in your config, then the F9 key is just ignored 13:09 PureTryOut[m] ooh client-side... so new then indeed ;) 13:09 VanessaE hence you can't turn it off when the "preview" mod turns it on 13:10 PureTryOut[m] so... except for straight up deleting the mod, can it be disabled somewhere? 13:10 VanessaE no 13:11 VanessaE cheapie said he has a little mod that he wrote to override the "preview" mod's behavior 13:13 PureTryOut[m] hmm... well I'll just delete it for now then 13:16 VanessaE also, this matrix thing needs to die in a fire :P 13:16 twoelk matrixes burn? 13:17 VanessaE heh. 13:18 twoelk I whave to deal with fire, heat and smoke at work and we do sometimes use matrix calculations or whatever that is in english - so we fight fires with matrixes - not good if they are flammable 13:20 * twoelk wonders where that extra came from 13:21 PureTryOut[m] wait what is wrong with Matrix now? 13:21 VanessaE it's annoying to us IRC purists ;) 13:22 fireglow[m] Matrix reporting in 13:22 fireglow[m] I just set up my own HS and IRC AS 13:22 fireglow[m] very much tinkering 13:23 fireglow[m] I expect there to be 1000 bugs 13:23 VanessaE so connected. much tinkering. wow. 13:23 VanessaE :) 13:24 PureTryOut[m] IRC purist? do you even hear yourself? 13:24 VanessaE yep :) 13:24 PureTryOut[m] seriously, what is the deal with people hating on Matrix for no good reason? 13:24 PureTryOut[m] except that we have a `[m]` behind our name, you don't even notice we're not using an IRC client 13:24 VanessaE well for starters, it posts crap in chat when you upload an image to somewhere. it appends that [m] to your name to advertise it. and it makes some users believe they're not even on IRC in the first place. 13:24 PureTryOut[m] and even that I can get rid of if I wanted too 13:25 PureTryOut[m] posts crap in a chat? you mean the link to the image? like you guys normally upload stuff to imgur? 13:25 fireglow hehe 13:25 VanessaE it's different when we do it :) 13:25 fireglow how? 13:25 PureTryOut[m] your last point I guess I can get behind, but I don't understand how that's a problem for anyone 13:25 PureTryOut[m] and yeah, how is it different? 13:26 VanessaE because it requires an explicit action to paste the address 13:26 sfan5 the matrix links are not particulary pretty 13:26 sfan5 * [...] uploaded an image: screenshot_20170326_194215.png (611KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/JmMzqDseSYIesgiNOKdnUZRE 13:26 VanessaE damn it, ninja'd 13:27 sfan5 if "normal" irc users do it then it's a short link 13:27 VanessaE in short, PureTryOut[m], it's generally considered frowned-upon to have your client auto-post stuff in chat 13:27 sfan5 if you do it it's some text saying someone uploaded shit, its name, its file size and a huge link 13:27 VanessaE regardless of its purpose. 13:28 sfan5 also isnt it supposed to be decentralized 13:28 VanessaE yes. 13:28 sfan5 because currently it seems very centralized to me 13:28 sfan5 who pays for matrix.org? 13:28 fireglow I pay for firc.de, use https://firc.de/chat/#/ 13:28 fireglow hue 13:28 agaran good afternoon 13:28 fireglow Hello agaran 13:28 VanessaE hi agaran 13:28 sfan5 fireglow: does it use that if you post images here? 13:28 PureTryOut[m] it is decentralized 13:29 PureTryOut[m] you can use matrix.org, but you don't need too if you don't want too 13:29 PureTryOut[m] although true right now most people are on matrix.org 13:29 VanessaE s/too/to/g 13:29 fireglow sfan5: not on freenode, but on my own IRC network, yeah 13:29 PureTryOut[m] also the link thing, that's just the bridge converting it. on the Matrix side it shows an inline image (or however the client wants to display it). you still have to manually upload the file, it doesn't "auto" do it for you 13:29 agaran well gtalk initially permitted xmpp connectivity outside of google.. but not after they gained enough users. 13:30 PureTryOut[m] GTalk wasn't made with the purpose to be decentralized though 13:30 PureTryOut[m] Matrix is 13:30 sfan5 so every single person on freenode using matrix is using a single irc bridge 13:30 sfan5 that's everything but decentralized 13:30 PureTryOut[m] if Matrix stops being decentralized, then nobody would have a reason to use it anymore 13:30 sfan5 PureTryOut[m]: the way the bridge convert it is quite ugly 13:31 PureTryOut[m] sfan5: of course the bridge isn't. but on the Matrix side it still is 13:31 VanessaE it. needs. to. die. 13:31 PureTryOut[m] still, you may not like the product yourself, I just don't see why you hate that somebody else would use it 13:31 sfan5 so it's only decentralized if everyone uses it and there i no outside contact 13:31 sfan5 is* 13:32 * twoelk puts away his torch, takes of the pointed hood and wanders off 13:32 PureTryOut[m] IRC is the only decentralized factor here, that doesn't make the entire thing undecentralized... 13:32 fireglow twoelk ;) 13:32 fireglow if you take out IRC and compare Matrix to Slack, it's much more obvious ;) 13:32 PureTryOut[m] if the IRC server or bridge goes down (or is blocked), the Matrix side of the chat keeps on talking 13:33 VanessaE ...and you end up split off of IRC. 13:33 PureTryOut[m] so? 13:33 VanessaE ergo, a point of failure. 13:33 agaran PureTryOut[m]: and that is completely irrelevant for irc users.. 13:33 PureTryOut[m] doesn't make Matrix not decentralized 13:33 VanessaE yes, it does. 13:33 VanessaE a single point of failure 13:33 PureTryOut[m] agaran: obviously 13:33 fireglow[m]1 Hello from another matrix instance ;) 13:33 VanessaE with IRC, you just switch servers. 13:33 PureTryOut[m] VanessaE: THAT'S JUST THE FUCKING IRC SIDE 13:33 sfan5 "just irc" 13:33 sfan5 ok 13:33 PureTryOut[m] Matrix IS STILL DECENTRALIZED 13:33 PureTryOut[m] ugh 13:33 sfan5 yes it is 13:33 agaran PureTryOut[m]: why swearing, lack of real arguments? 13:33 VanessaE PureTryOut[m]: no, that's just the fucking matrix bridge hing 13:33 VanessaE thing* 13:33 PureTryOut[m] just... stop this conversation, we clearly won't switch our minds 13:33 sfan5 however the matrix <-> irc bridge is a SPOF 13:33 VanessaE which is by definition, not de-centralized. 13:34 PureTryOut[m] I had this conversation too much in other channels before, nobody is changing their minds 13:34 PureTryOut[m] so why bother? 13:34 sfan5 because you are incorrect 13:34 fireglow the bridge is a stopgap, not a essential part of the Matrix protocol 13:34 VanessaE fireglow: it's essential if you want to get on an IRC network with it :P 13:34 * twoelk got a sack of wooden bridges for the Carcassonne game 13:34 fireglow matrix will do just fine without IRC 13:34 PureTryOut[m] sfan5: in my eyes you guys are incorrect. we can keep going on about this but it won't change a thing 13:34 * agaran shrugs and goes to spend time on something worth unlike matrix.. 13:34 sfan5 fireglow: the fact that it is just a stopgap that implies everyone is in the process (or intended to) switch to matrix 13:35 PureTryOut[m] fireglow: and IRC jsut fine without Matrix. there, we all happy now? can we just keep on using whatever we prefer? 13:35 sfan5 PureTryOut[m]: i'd love to hear an argument why the bridge is not a single point of failure 13:35 fireglow yes? 13:35 fireglow hint: the webchat is also a SPOF ;) 13:35 VanessaE PureTryOut[m]: IRC predates matrix, along with nearly every other chat system out there. we set the standard. 13:35 fireglow so is mibbit 13:35 sfan5 fireglow: my point is that there is no transition to matrix 13:35 PureTryOut[m] I don't get this need to argue from the IRC side. 13:35 VanessaE fireglow: but you don't need to use webchat to get to IRC. 13:36 fireglow you don't need to use matrix to get on IRC 13:36 sfan5 so having a bridge is kinda nice but kinda uhh.. 13:36 agaran VanessaE: would you mind PM asi it is offtopic here? 13:36 fireglow nobody says matrix wants to replace IRC, lol 13:36 sfan5 agaran: no 13:36 fireglow you have your assumptions wrong again 13:36 sfan5 this channel is no strictly on-topic 13:36 sfan5 not* 13:36 PureTryOut[m] (hint: they don't actually want to replace IRC) 13:36 sfan5 fireglow: did you not just say "yes" 13:36 agaran sfan5: but I want stuff that is even more off topic.. really.. 13:36 VanessaE fireglow: no, but if you DO use matrix, you need that bridge, and if the bridge fails, you lose IRC connectivity. with a traditional IRC client, you just switch to another server, usually automatically. 13:36 fireglow VanessaE: so? 13:36 sfan5 agaran: oh sorry i misunderstood your msg 13:36 agaran unless you like to hear rant about DDS and inability to lock trigger of scope timebase to rising edge :) 13:36 fireglow that risk is implied in the usage 13:37 fireglow same with any other gateway to IRC, that isn't a IRC client, such as the official freenode webchat 13:37 sfan5 "webchat" is not an alternative protocol or platform? 13:37 fireglow I'm not sure why we're even having this discussion 13:37 VanessaE fireglow: indeed. each of those constitutes a single point of failure for their respective portals. 13:37 PureTryOut[m] me neither fireglow 13:38 fireglow sfan5: sure it is. On Quakenet, the ORIGINAL webchat once broke form too many users, I was there ;) 13:38 VanessaE they're all bridges to IRC from something that is not a traditional IRC client. 13:38 sfan5 fireglow: how is that related? 13:38 fireglow it's an additional service to IRC, that CAN break down, same as the Matrix bridge 13:38 sfan5 indeed 13:38 fireglow therefor a SPOF 13:38 sfan5 correct 13:38 fireglow so what's the problem with the Matrix Bridge? 13:39 fireglow fireglow │ that risk is implied in the usage 13:39 sfan5 it's a SPOF for the matrix usage situation in this channel 13:39 sfan5 if the bridge breaks down are you just going to say "nvm i'm having talks with only the 5 matrix users now" ? 13:39 fireglow there hardly is a "matrix situation" I count five matrix users in IRC at this time. 13:40 fireglow it's merely a convenience for Matrix Users, and a bit of a playpen 13:40 sfan5 "situation" wasn't trying to imply any number of users 13:40 fireglow then what did you trying to imply by using that phrase? 13:41 fireglow I suggest you try matrix and the irc bridge before forming an opinion on it 13:41 sfan5 i am not forming an opinion on those things itself, it's about their concept 13:42 fireglow suit yourself ;) 13:45 VanessaE sfan5: just as I dislike matrix (it feels like an ... invader), I dislike the notion of accessing IRC from one of those all-in-one clients like Pidgin (but that's because then it just doesn't look like IRC) 13:46 PureTryOut[m] VanessaE: but that shouldn't matter too you. you can just not use that "all-in-one" client 13:46 VanessaE correct. 13:46 VanessaE which is why I don't. 13:47 VanessaE the problem stems from the old days, when how IRC looked mattered to some degree. 13:47 VanessaE s/the/that/ 13:48 PureTryOut[m] see, discussion done 13:48 VanessaE the difference, PureTryOut[m], is that matrix makes itself known to people NOT using it. 13:49 VanessaE whereas pidgin et al. don't 13:49 VanessaE if I hadn't mentioned using hexchat, you could have easily assumed I was using bitchx, irssi, pidgin, or even the original terminal irc client. 13:50 sfan5 you forgot mIRC 13:50 VanessaE or that. 13:50 PureTryOut[m] VanessaE: still, how does that matter to you? 13:50 PureTryOut[m] what do you care what client I use? 13:51 VanessaE PureTryOut[m]: I don't. I care that your client is advertising itself. 13:51 MinetestBot 02[git] 04nerzhul -> 03minetest/minetest: l_minimap: don't show minimap if configuration doesn't allow it 13fbc1432 https://git.io/vS35x (152017-03-29T13:50:22Z) 13:51 fireglow PureTryOut[m]: heh, good point 13:51 PureTryOut[m] the `[m]` bit? why exactly? 13:51 PureTryOut[m] and I could remove that from my nickname if I wanted too 13:51 fireglow lol if the [m] is a problem, that's hilarious 13:51 sfan5 why does nobody do that if you can 13:51 PureTryOut[m] I just don't care enough for that 13:52 PureTryOut[m] sfan5: beecause nobody cares enough, and we don't see it on our side 13:52 sfan5 fireglow: it's more of an annoyance 13:52 sfan5 >we don't see it on our side 13:52 sfan5 of thats why 13:52 Jordach >hipster webapp wants to be the downs kid in the autistic clas 13:52 PureTryOut[m] well, I could say the same to you guys. "IRC is advertising itself" 13:53 PureTryOut[m] (your names show up with (IRC) behind it) 13:53 red-004[IRC] lol 13:53 Jordach i don't think anyone would care if San Fran got nuked 13:53 Jordach it'd end the stupid web startup webapps 13:53 red-004[IRC] matrix is advertising IRC 13:54 PureTryOut[m] I don't see it as advertising though lol, but whatever 13:54 PureTryOut[m] just ignore it 13:54 sfan5 0/10 argument 13:54 Jordach that argument is so weak it couldn't even pick up a penny 13:54 PureTryOut[m] I really don't care anymore 13:54 fireglow[m] omfg red-004[IRC] you're invading my safe space 13:55 Jordach[Quassel] tl;dr ayy lmao 13:55 fireglow[m] Jordach hahhahah :D 13:55 sfan5 Jordach[Quassel]: nice meme 13:55 red-004[IRC] I just want everyone to know what platform I use 13:55 * PureTryOut[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_2017-03-29_15-55-51.png (5KB) - https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/v1/download/matrix.org/kPwRQAqStoaiOaiOyQuQfGJn 13:55 PureTryOut[m] red-004[IRC]: ^ it's a bit double now 13:55 fireglow[m] wow yeah I forgot about Quassel 13:55 fireglow[m] that's just the same lol 13:55 Jordach[Quassel] fireglow[m], quassel can be a standalone client 13:55 Jordach[Quassel] i just use it for it's infinite scrollback 13:55 fireglow[m] yeah 13:56 red-004[IRC] well I can't use spaces in irc names 13:56 fireglow[m] my normal IRC setup is ZNC+weechat in a tmux on homeserver 13:57 fireglow[Webchat hi guys 13:57 fireglow[Webchat what's up 13:58 fireglow[Webchat I'm upsetting the IRC purists right now 13:58 fireglow[Webchat dealwithit.jpg 13:58 red-004[IRC][Eli lol matrix doesn't even respond ctcp ver as matrix 13:58 fireglow[Webchat how rude 13:59 VanessaE heh 13:59 fireglow they be like https://firc.de/_matrix/media/v1/download/firc.de/VUMxezJlvDoHxfkVwOTCxxkh 14:00 PureTryOut[m] so.. Minetest related talk... is there anyway to detect if a player opened his/her inventory? 14:01 twoelk he doesn't move anymore 14:02 * twoelk would like an animation indicating a player has opened his inventory 14:02 VanessaE I don't believe so, PureTryOut. 14:02 Jordach[Quassel] PureTryOut[m], on_recieve_fields cheking for inventory changes 14:02 red-004[IRC][Eli did hexhchat remove disabling CTCP version? 14:03 sfan5 you can still disable it in the ctcp replies tab 14:03 sfan5 (by having it do nothing on CTCP VERSION) 14:03 red-004[IRC] doesn't seem to work 14:03 red-004[IRC] I see my fake version and my real version 14:03 PureTryOut[m] minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields only runs when something happens inside the inventory (pressing a button) 14:04 Jordach[Quassel] PureTryOut[m], closing it shows up too 14:04 red-004[IRC] and my other custom ctcp commands work 14:06 fireglow[irssi] this feels very pure 14:07 PureTryOut[m] Jordach[Quassel]: ok... but how do I check for an inventory opening? 14:08 sfan5 i dont think thats possible 14:08 PureTryOut[m] hmm, annoying 14:09 PureTryOut[m] I want to determine my inventory formspec based on settings that or events that happen before it's opened 14:09 Jordach[Quassel] formname might be player:name 14:09 Jordach[Quassel] https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1817 14:10 PureTryOut[m] right now it only changes after opening and closing the inventory once 14:10 Jordach[Quassel] PureTryOut[m], using print(formname) 14:10 Jordach[Quassel] the inventory is literally "" 14:11 PureTryOut[m] ? I don't know how that would help me 14:11 Jordach[Quassel] oh shit 14:11 Jordach[Quassel] it's worse than that 14:11 PureTryOut[m] I just need a function to run (with the player parameter passed to it) when a player opens it's inventory 14:11 Jordach[Quassel] it returns nil 14:11 Jordach[Quassel] print(formname.."_") -> close inv = _ 14:40 twoelk maybe check for last formspec open event by player and look if has been closed yet? 14:42 twoelk oops - out of sync 14:49 PureTryOut[m] ugh, that sounds like a hack 14:55 VanessaE this is minetest. half of the shit we do in mods is hacks ;) 14:55 PureTryOut[m] lol 14:55 PureTryOut[m] that's pretty bad :p 14:58 thefamilygrog66 you don't wanna know what I hacked up this morning... 14:59 XtremeHacker What? 15:00 thefamilygrog66 haha 15:00 VanessaE vegetables, for a salad? :) 15:00 thefamilygrog66 nice 15:57 PureTryOut[m] ooh maybe I found it already, literally the `field` tag it seems 16:34 red-004[IRC] PSA: and like with html hidden fields you shouldn't trust the user not to fake it 16:35 PureTryOut[m] ooh? how could a player edit that then? 16:36 Calinou hacks 16:38 PureTryOut[m] lol. well doesn't really matter in my case, the player will only hinder himself 16:39 red-004[IRC] users can completely fake formspec summitting 16:41 red-004[IRC] nice the serverlist and the irc logger are back 17:08 Jordach the kitten got on top of it and slept on the power button 17:08 Jordach sorry for the delays ;P 18:58 UnityKris It's been ages since I've played minetest. What's the best method of updating? 18:59 PureTryOut[m] Depends on your operating system 18:59 UnityKris Ubuntu 16.04 18:59 PureTryOut[m] If you use Linux, it should've been updated by your package manager already 18:59 PureTryOut[m] Well there you go 18:59 UnityKris I built from source last I remember 18:59 PureTryOut[m] ooh 18:59 epoch git pull? 18:59 UnityKris Is the package manager the way to go now though? 19:00 PureTryOut[m] in that case, `cd /wherever/your/git/repo/is && git pull && cmake . && make -j$(nproc) && sudo make install` 19:00 PureTryOut[m] well not if you want a develop version 19:00 UnityKris I'll git pull. 19:00 PureTryOut[m] if you just want stable, yeah definitely go for the package manager 19:04 MinetestBot 02[git] 04zaoqi -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Use creative.is_enabled_for for creative mode if possible (#1558) 13077316b https://git.io/vSsQ0 (152017-03-29T19:02:26Z) 19:04 UnityKris If this tells you how long its been, I was on 14.04 and have fully wiped to install 16.04, but have yet to install git or cmake again. 19:04 MinetestBot 02[git] 04cx384 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: doors: add groups to the door craftitem 13b847888 https://git.io/vSsQE (152017-03-29T18:40:56Z) 19:10 PureTryOut[m] why not just upgrade 14.04 to 16.04? why reinstall? 19:13 epoch http://dev.minetest.net/Compiling_Minetest 19:52 PureTryOut[m] > tmw you've been searching for the cause of a bug for an hour, start to blame Minetest, then find the cause and realize you're stupid 19:57 greeter lol 20:00 PureTryOut[m] what the hell? since when does `player.is_player()` require the player object as a parameter? 20:00 behalebabo call as, player:is_player 20:00 behalebabo that will pass the object implicitly 20:00 PureTryOut[m] ooh nvm, `.` and `:` seem to make a difference 20:00 PureTryOut[m] ooh is that it 20:00 PureTryOut[m] thanks, learned something today 20:01 behalebabo yeah, a:b() is the same as a.b(a) 23:20 silent_elk Yay 23:20 silent_elk I managed to break it even further. 23:20 silent_elk Now the server crashes as soon as the first player joins 23:20 silent_elk with no error message lol 23:20 epoch does it segfault? 23:21 silent_elk Nope 23:22 silent_elk Uhhh now it does work 23:22 silent_elk Interesting. 23:23 epoch you using Linux? 23:23 epoch might be the out of memory killer? 23:24 silent_elk I've just figured something out 23:24 silent_elk It crashes in singleplayer 23:24 silent_elk but not when I start a server then connect to it 23:27 epoch is there a mod that adds magic? 23:27 silent_elk I believe so 23:27 silent_elk Let me check 23:27 epoch I'm thinking of the kind of magic that's in nethack. 23:28 epoch like, writing protection spells on the ground in dust.. 23:28 silent_elk I've never used any of those 23:28 silent_elk so 23:28 epoch maybe potions and alchemy 23:28 OldCoder Yes, there is code that is close enough to make that work 23:28 OldCoder But it is buggy 23:28 OldCoder Can be used as a start 23:28 OldCoder I forget the mod name(s) but I've tried them 23:28 OldCoder Hm 23:29 OldCoder You could skip those and perhaps just modify... 23:29 OldCoder kaeza's bookex mod 23:29 OldCoder to produce spellbooks from scratch 23:29 OldCoder Those could be as complex or simple as you wished 23:31 silent_elk I'm amusing not this, but may be interesting: https://github.com/benedict42/alchemtinker 23:33 silent_elk assuming* 23:33 silent_elk lol 23:53 epoch I thought of something else fun to add. 23:54 epoch it'd require aluminum. 23:54 epoch mortar + pestle 23:54 epoch and some way to make iron oxide (rust) 23:55 epoch maybe iron + salt water, but then you'd need salt and I dunno what else it could be used for. 23:55 epoch curing food? 23:55 epoch anyway. thermite. 23:55 epoch :D 23:56 OldCoder epoch, are you able to see IRC PMs ? 23:56 epoch yeah. 23:56 OldCoder Do you see mine? 23:56 OldCoder Wish to respond there?