Time  Nick          Message
00:13 Benrob0329[m] I thought about it, but it was going to be difficult since I have my hone folder on a separate drive
02:01 STHGOM        hey, does anyone have a use for a lowish poly sniper rifle model?
02:01 Taose         There are a couple of mods that I think could use it
02:01 Taose         oh wait
02:01 Taose         ...erm
02:02 Taose         no?
02:02 Taose         (forgot that we can't have 3d models as items >.<)
02:08 kaeza         Taose, yes, you can
02:08 kaeza         sort of :P
02:10 kaeza         Taose, this uses meshes to give a nicer hand: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=16435
02:10 kaeza         firearms dit it first</shameless_plug>
02:11 Taose         >.>
02:11 Taose         It's firearms that I was expecting it to be used for
02:12 kaeza         yeah, could use some low-poly voxel-y mesh
02:13 kaeza         the current meshes are too detailed (and my blender skills suck)
02:17 kaeza         https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/minetest/what.png
02:18 Taose         Yeah we really need a Minetest Itembuilder
02:18 Taose         where we take "nodes" and then shrink 'em down
02:19 Taose         say to 1:10 scale
02:19 Taose         or maybe even 1:100
02:19 Taose         and basically build 'em as we would with minetest
02:21 kaeza         https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/100008207/minetest/what2.png
02:21 Taose         Definitely too concentrated
02:21 Taose         ...
02:22 Taose         and what's with all the rainbows?
02:24 kaeza         05t04e07s08t09i03n11g 10b12r02e06s13e15n14h05a04m07'08s 09l03i11n10e 12i02m06p13l 15:14P
02:25 kaeza         for line of sight
02:27 Taose         ah
02:28 Benrob0329[m] https://riot.im/ doubles as an IRC client!
02:28 Benrob0329[m] its what im using now, and it works quite nicely
02:28 XeonSquared   matrix, right?
02:28 Benrob0329[m] Based on it
02:28 Benrob0329[m] Based on it, yes
02:29 XeonSquared   matrix is interesting
02:30 XeonSquared   too web n.0 for me
02:31 kaeza         interesting how 3 paragraphs of text require 10 "pages"
02:31 Benrob0329[m] well, thats the modern web for you
02:32 kaeza         obviously NSFW: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/
02:35 Benrob0329[m] Cross-browser compatibility? Load this m****rf*****r in IE6. I f****** dare you.
02:35 Benrob0329[m] XD
02:36 Benrob0329[m] I really want to share that with a friend of mine...but...you know...
02:40 TommyTreasure sorry if this may be a touchy issue wih modders, but my pet peeve is no version numbers in mod readme files.  really how hard is it to add 1 character to a readme file.  would be like changing a dns zone file and not updating the serial, then wondering why it doesn't work.
02:43 kaeza         TommyTreasure, not every mod uses formal version numbers
02:44 TommyTreasure i know, that's what makes it difficult to compare, especially in forks
02:45 kaeza         that's what git is for? if it's not in git, there are other tools like `diff`
02:45 TommyTreasure my own personal opinion, but version number should be requred for .git
02:46 TommyTreasure was just telling another server op about the area_openfarming command, and the op didn't have that command availble.  no way to be sure exactly which mod i had.  only a guess from the copyright line
02:47 TommyTreasure and file dates...
02:50 TommyTreasure btw, .git doesn't work on a slackware box.  all mods have to installed manually
02:51 TommyTreasure well, doesn't work without some fancy footwork
02:52 TommyTreasure but still, how hard is to change v0.1 o v0.1a? at least in the init.lua file
03:23 TommyTreasure my bad.... big time, at least on the areas mod.  it is version 0.4.8.  my appologies to ShadowNinja.  however, so many other mods miss this important (to me anyway) point.
04:15 Benrob0329[m] We need more adventure maps
04:18 * Taose       spawns new world
04:18 Taose         There you go
04:19 progysm       /spawn
04:19 Benrob0329[m] **claps
04:20 Benrob0329[m] But you get what I mean
04:20 Benrob0329[m] With the way Minetest handles mods
04:21 Benrob0329[m] (Worldmods, for eg) map makers could do some pretty cool stuff
04:50 sofar         Benrob0329[m]: fairly trivial to do so, but minetest lacks scripting
04:50 sofar         well, there's command blocks
04:50 Benrob0329[m] and player detectors
04:50 Benrob0329[m] and mods
04:50 sofar         yes, it should all be possible
05:33 octacian      Benrob0329[m]: I was thinking about making a mod for map creators. Allowing them to register new nodes in game as entities which would be turned into real nodes when the game reloaded.
05:34 octacian      still though, MT does lack scripting.
05:35 Benrob0329[m] It could be faked using a sort of "scripted block" that if the user steps on, it acivated a script
05:35 octacian      yeah.
05:35 octacian      I was also thinking about tools that would allow creators to register events when the player walks on the block, right clicks, punches, etc...
05:35 Benrob0329[m] but we'd need an on_step callback, otherwise the globalstep is just too slow
05:36 octacian      Again though, it would be way better just to have scripting.
05:36 octacian      I was just thinking registering nodes that referred to meta for stuff like on_rightclick rather than worrying about that.
05:37 Benrob0329[m] Im not sure how for eg Gmod impliments scripting, thats the only other sandbox that I've played that has it
05:37 octacian      MC does as well, but not great either.
05:38 octacian      If new blocks could be registered in-game, that'd be cool. Or entities.
05:39 octacian      IDK if that would really be a "scripting" thing, but
06:48 MinetestBot   02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Add search to advanced settings (#4806) 13a378e32 https://git.io/vMP9T (152017-01-18T06:48:25Z)
07:32 kaeza         if people stopped using the `:` syntax for things that aren't objects, it would be really nice
07:41 agaran        hmm?
08:40 johnwick      purpose of this chat please ?
09:01 kurolox       Hello!
09:05 kurolox       I'm planning to make a minetest server. What are some mods that are considered "basic" for the game?
09:07 sfan5         http://www.minetest.net/customize/#mods
09:11 kurolox       Thanks! Installing all of said list would make the server need a powerful computer? I'm planning in use a little ARM computer, so I don't plan in getting more than the essentials
09:16 Bukki         All of them especially won't work good together. Why you need Carts, ridable Horses, Ufos and Teleporters on same Server?
09:18 kurolox       Do they add that? The impression that the list gave me is that all those mods seem to add up to the same functionality as the minecraft versions
09:18 kurolox       I mean, I guess that I won't add all of them, but definetly most of them
09:19 sfan5         the mods on the page are just some popular or useful ones
09:19 sfan5         adding all of them is a horrible idea and won't give you an identical feature set to minecraft
09:21 kurolox       Oh. I don't really aim to get the same features at minecraft, but I'd like to get close to it. Mind if you explain why adding all are a bad idea? It's because of server load? Or because there might be conflicts between them?
09:23 sfan5         both
09:24 Bukki         Some Mods are more for creative Servers, some fore survival Servers, some fore modern-time servers, some fore medieval servers. If mix all, gameplay will be totally broken.
09:24 kurolox       I guess I'll have to toy arround then and see which ones fit then
09:25 Bukki         If want really an answer what mods you need you would need you would first need to say at least if you want go survival or creative.
09:28 kurolox       I'd like to make a survival server. For what I've seen in the list, I think that "Farming Plus", "Home Decor", "Torches", "Indestructible Bedrock", "More Ores", "More Trees", "Nether", "Plantlife", "Snow Biomes", "Immersive sounds", "Weather", "Animals Modpack", "Simple Mobs", "Mesecons", "Carts", "3D Armor", "better HUD", "Minecraft-like item drop", "Unified Inventory", "Advanced area protection" and "Extended Ban" are picks
09:28 kurolox       that I'd like to get. But I feel like that list might be too long or that there are things more fit for creative.
09:29 Bukki         sounds all good
09:30 kurolox       Any other personal suggestion?
09:33 agaran        kurolox: maybe try few servers to see what you like on them, see what mods bring that things?
09:34 kurolox       Is there any way to see which mods are installed in a server?
09:35 agaran        /mods usually shows it;)
09:36 JamesTait     Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Winnie the Pooh Day! 😃
09:48 sfan5         kurolox: by default minetest already includes snow biomes, not sure why you'd need that mod, carts is included in minetest since 0.4.15, more trees & homedecor are pretty heavy on clients
09:49 sfan5         also whatever you do make sure you don't have multiple animal modpacks
09:51 sfan5         simple mobs looks like it hasn't been updated since 2013
09:51 sfan5         animals modpack is alright i guess
09:51 sfan5         however https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8638 looks more polished to me
09:53 CWz           I can confirm that choosing a username that windows doesn't like will freeze a windows hosted minetest server
09:54 CWz           it doesn't throw an error or even crash according to the terminal
10:00 sfan5         CWz: it probably depends on the name, making minetest read/write the windows equivalent of /dev/console is probably just going to hang
10:01 sfan5         while writing reading to the windows equivalent of /dev/null might actually work
10:03 CWz           choosing the player name "con" causes a windows hosted minetest server to freeze
10:03 kaeza         maybe someone, somewhere can make Minetest print something by fiddling with LPT1 :P
10:03 CWz           in case of winxp at least
10:04 sfan5         image the confusing if someone sees the serialized player file on their printer
10:04 sfan5         confusion*
10:04 sfan5         imagine*
10:04 sfan5         man typing is hard
10:04 kaeza         meow
10:04 sfan5         :3
10:10 * agaran      looks around to avoid any nyancats nodes flying around
10:21 MinetestBot   02[git] 04rubenwardy -> 03minetest/minetest: Add minetest.player_exists() (#5064) 13c5967f7 https://git.io/vMXvz (152017-01-18T10:19:57Z)
12:15 lordfingle    Pooping has now been updated to support poisonous effects when partaken (supporting hunger mod) and botanical magic (via bonemeal mod) - https://github.com/eidy/pooping
14:04 STHGOM        kaeza, https://imgur.com/a/kUpBU <--- my sniper rifle. does it look like anything you'd want?
14:06 STHGOM        I could box-ify it if you wish
14:07 Taose         I think it'd be better if you boxify it
14:07 Taose         He wanted less detail rather than more
14:07 STHGOM        ok
14:19 STHGOM        i guess probably something like this: http://files.gamebanana.com/img/ss/srends/53f52501c2c54.jpg
14:20 STHGOM        though
14:20 STHGOM        it is detailed, but voxely
14:20 STHGOM        hmm
14:21 Taose         Much better :)
14:22 STHGOM        well, thats just a "minecr*ft gun" google image search result :P
14:24 kaeza         STHGOM, looks excellent as it is now
14:26 STHGOM        really? I know it looks nice, but mabe it need a minetest version
14:27 kaeza         but yeah, does not fit well with the rest of the style
14:29 STHGOM        i modeled it for UE4
14:30 STHGOM        so this would be more of what you would want? http://files.gamebanana.com/img/ss/srends/53f52501c2c54.jpg
14:32 kaeza         that one looks horrible :P
14:32 STHGOM        ok
14:34 STHGOM        does it need to be pixelated, or just blocky and non-detailed?
14:49 red-001       the first one looked better
16:25 Kurolox       Hello o/
16:26 Benrob0329[m] Hi
16:26 Kurolox       After a few hours of tinkering, I've got my server running. It's pretty empty tho, and I have a few questions
16:27 Kurolox       first of all, how do you stop the server?
16:27 sfan5         ctrl+c
16:27 Taose         rm -r -f */ ...? (Don't try that)
16:28 Taose         (it's a joke)
16:28 Kurolox       A wrong one too, it should be sudo rm -rf /* or sudo rm -rf / --no-preserve-root
16:28 Benrob0329[m] Or the /shutdown command
16:28 Taose         lol
16:29 Benrob0329[m] No no, your both wrong
16:29 Kurolox       Is there any way to make the server public from minetest.conf and change the server name and description?
16:29 sfan5         yes
16:30 Benrob0329[m] You need to sudo dd /dev/zero /dev/sda
16:31 sfan5         Kurolox: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L739
16:31 IhrFussel     Kurolox, "server_description = TEXT", "server_announce = true", "server_name = TEXT"
16:31 Benrob0329[m] (Please though, for the love of your data, done run this command or the em commands)
16:31 Kurolox       don't you need the if= and of= for dd to work?
16:32 Kurolox       as in sudo dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda
16:32 Benrob0329[m] Probably, I've only used it once
16:32 Benrob0329[m] Well, twice
16:32 Benrob0329[m] The first time I deleted 4 gigs of my /home drive
16:33 Benrob0329[m] Still recovering from that...
16:35 IhrFussel     Guys...you forgot to mention the most important command (DO NOT EXECUTE) :(){ :|: & };:
16:36 IhrFussel     Although it's not as harmful as rm or dd but a classic
16:39 Benrob0329[m] The funny thing is, everything was fine until I rebooted.
16:40 IhrFussel     Okay I take that back: Apparently it CAN damage hardware and cause much heat
16:41 Kurolox       Hm
16:42 Kurolox       My server doesn't appear in the server list
16:42 agaran        IhrFussel: that is OLD forkbomb for bash..
16:42 Kurolox       oh DUH
16:42 agaran        IhrFussel: and it is good because it goes with geometrical progress
16:42 Kurolox       I forgot to uncomment every parameter
16:42 Kurolox       god damn, I'm such a retard
16:45 Kurolox       Well, now it's there
16:45 Kurolox       Is there something else that it's recommended to change in the config for a server?
16:47 Kurolox       Also, since I'm using a computer just as a server, can I remove all the config that isn't related to server stuff? (ie client graphic settings, controls...)
16:47 Kurolox       it would make it way more manageable
16:48 Benrob0329[m] Yes
16:52 twoelk        simply delete lines you don't need
16:53 twoelk        you could also study http://wiki.minetest.net/Server and http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server
16:54 Kurolox       Will do. is there any way to check the ping? i've been toying with the F keys but none of them seem to show network stats
16:55 twoelk|2      you can ping from this IRC channel
16:55 Kurolox       May I ask how?
16:56 * twoelk|2    is looking
17:01 twoelk        iirc it's just !up followed by an ip - seems nobody used the command this week
17:04 Kurolox       !up kurolox.com
17:04 MinetestBot   kurolox.com:30000 is up (50ms)
17:04 twoelk        hm, ther is also !server followed by the server name but that seem to be reading from http://servers.minetest.net/
17:06 twoelk        btw with http://servers.minetest.net/list you can get the raw data and parse it with some filter of your own to make for example a list of used mods
17:07 passant       hi, is the serverlist talking to the mineteservers using port 39657?
17:07 Kurolox       I just wanted to know if the connection was good since I'm hosting it with my own network
17:07 Kurolox       50 ping seems good for EU
17:08 passant       sfan5?
17:09 passant       oh and requests on port 51121 are there too
17:13 IhrFussel     Wow the server list kept my old server age even though I switched to another machine?
17:21 IhrFussel     How does the server list track the age?? I'm really surprised that the age for mine didn't reset
17:22 red-001       iirc by a combination of server name and ip/domain
17:23 red-001       could be wrong about that through
17:27 IhrFussel     red-001, can't be...my IP has changed so it must be server name only I guess?
17:28 red-001       well you can take a look at the source code
17:28 red-001       it's written in python
17:28 red-001       https://github.com/minetest/master-server
17:28 IhrFussel     I'm looking through the serverlist src right now...it seems to take the game_time value from the engine
17:29 sfan5         passant: it's talking to whatever ports you have set in your config
17:29 sfan5         IhrFussel: it uses the time when your world was created
17:29 passant       sfan5, in that case it should only do port 3000* but it doesn't
17:29 sfan5         Kurolox: f5 then look at rtt = ... ms
17:29 IhrFussel     sfan5, that's nice :D
17:29 sfan5         or the !up command as you have already seen
17:30 sfan5         passant: are you sure you're not looking at the source port?
17:30 sfan5         since that one is random
17:30 passant       i... thought you're talking about the minetestserver port i configured...
17:30 sfan5         i am
17:31 sfan5         but since you are complaing about something then you're obviously checking the firewall logs
17:31 passant       i am talking about the destinationport
17:31 passant       right now 52323 was blocked since i enable manually
17:32 sfan5         when did that happen?
17:32 sfan5         also you won't need to unblock any ports for the server list
17:32 passant       18:32:20 the latest request
17:33 passant       (german timezone if someone is confused)
17:34 passant       well yeah - this is what i was wondering about since my homeserver once was displayed in the serverlist and only port 30000 was enabled in my local firewall
17:34 sfan5         and the other one?
17:35 passant       36645 18:28:24
17:36 passant       59135 18:27:09
17:36 passant       and so on
17:37 sfan5         hm, i'm not seeing a connection between these
17:37 passant       odd... but it is definitly the ip of servers.minetest.net
17:39 sfan5         well no idea
17:39 sfan5         is your server announcing to the server list?
17:40 passant       yes, illuna.rocks 30000 - 30003
17:41 passant       my next answer may have a huge delay since i have some work to do and go afk now :)
17:41 passant       but thanks for your information so far :)
17:41 sfan5         i doubt i'll find out anything new
17:43 IhrFussel     The OS CANNOT access the port forwarding settings of the router right? Someone tells me he just needs to set port forwarding via OS not via router but AFAIK the router will still block the port no matter what you set in the OS
17:44 sfan5         depend what they mean by "OS" and whether upnp is enabled
17:47 Taose         The OS can set port forwarding.
17:47 Taose         Might involve some creativity, but I could make it do it.
17:47 IhrFussel     sfan5, the user has Ubuntu and he means "just on the PC itself" but how can the PC change the settings of the router (a separated machine)?
17:47 sfan5         dunno
17:47 Taose         Simply by hijacking the 198.162 address..
17:48 Taose         Ihr, if you can set it by typing in the ip address of the router, you can set it by scripting.
17:49 Taose         But really, ... if he says it works and it works, then all good.
17:49 IhrFussel     Taose, no that's exactly what the problem is: He says he talked to the Minetest devs and they told him it would be enough to set the port via PC but his server doesn't appear on the list
17:50 Taose         >.>
17:50 IhrFussel     Before I had my dedi and VPS I ran Minetest from my home PC too and I remember it was required to forward the ports in the router settings too not just on my PC
17:51 Taose         I dunno how to port forward from my OS...
17:51 Taose         XD
17:51 Taose         I've always done it via the router
17:51 Taose         Maybe he just means unblocking the firewall?
17:51 IhrFussel     I think you can't even do that if there is a router machine between your PC and the internet
17:51 Taose         or allowing it through ifconfig or something
17:51 agaran        hi IhrFussel
17:52 IhrFussel     hey agaran
17:52 Taose         Assuming the router is set to forward all, you can restrict port access from the os.
17:56 Taose         but no it wasn't me that advised him as such
17:56 Taose         >.>
17:56 Taose         Port forward the router and he should show up
17:56 Taose         If public?
18:01 IhrFussel     Taose, I told him now to set the port he wants to forward in his router settings and choose the local IP of his PC as target machine...let's see if he gets it done
18:09 passant       sfan5, not a problem, i'll just ignore the requests, then :)
18:20 chiantos      hello
18:21 chiantos      bonjour
18:22 Benrob0329[m] Hola
18:22 chiantos      hi make a subgame online :)
18:55 STHGOM        !seen kaeza
18:55 MinetestBot   STHGOM: kaeza was last seen at 2017-01-18 14:32:53 UTC on #minetest
19:18 IhrFussel     !seen LazyJ
19:18 MinetestBot   IhrFussel: lazyj was last seen at 2017-01-14 19:34:38 UTC on #minetest
19:24 MrBacon       Hi does anyone know of derbian or can anyone help me to understand this ?
19:24 MrBacon       http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server/Debian
19:27 sfan5         which problem are you hitting?
19:28 MrBacon       I am using derbian to make a server but I tried the first step and it said no file /directory any idea why ?
19:28 sfan5         don't do the step that says virt-install
19:28 sfan5         it's optional
19:28 sfan5         start with sudo apt-get install minetest-server
19:28 MrBacon       Okay
19:29 MrBacon       Okay does it need # in front ?
19:29 sfan5         the wiki page tells you
19:29 sfan5         hint: no
19:30 MrBacon       Okay so the # will be the sod sudo ?
19:31 IhrFussel     MrBacon, just type into the terminal "sudo apt-get install minetest-server" then enter password when it asks you to
19:31 MrBacon       Okay
19:32 MrBacon       It's coming back sharing unable to locate
19:32 MrBacon       Package minetest-server
19:33 Benrob0329[m] run '''minetest --server'''
19:33 sfan5         what's your debian version?
19:33 sfan5         Benrob0329[m]: no
19:33 MrBacon       Idk let me check
19:34 IhrFussel     sfan5, wait isn't it "minetestserver"?
19:34 sfan5         IhrFussel: yes the package is named differently though
19:34 IhrFussel     Yep true...same for Ubuntu
19:35 Taose         >.>
19:35 MrBacon       I can't find where it says the version
19:35 * Taose       didn't like the name minetest, so created an alias: mineworld
19:35 sfan5         cat /etc/os-release
19:36 IhrFussel     uname -a should work too
19:37 MrBacon       ?
19:40 IhrFussel     MrBacon, you are supposed to type these commands into the terminal
19:40 MrBacon       Oh ok
19:41 MrBacon       3.10.0
19:41 Taose         O_o
19:42 Taose         Oh Debian
19:42 Taose         That's...a mightly old version of Debian you there
19:43 MrBacon       Oh ok
19:43 Kurolox       Which inventory mod should I use for my server? I see that there's some variety
19:44 IhrFussel     Kurolox, I recommend unified_inventory
19:44 Taose         I use Unified too
19:44 MrBacon       Is that th
19:44 Benrob0329[m] Unified or the new default
19:44 MrBacon       *similar ?
19:46 IhrFussel     MrBacon, unified_inventory comes with a built-in craft guide
19:46 MrBacon       Ok
19:46 MrBacon       Well idk if I can get it I'm on android
19:47 Benrob0329[m] do you have a file manager like ES File Explorer?
19:47 IhrFussel     And other neat features such as WorldEdit GUI, set home position/teleport to home position, set time, delete whole inventory, trash slot, refill slot (some require certain privs)
19:47 MrBacon       Yesy
19:47 Benrob0329[m] then unzip it to
19:48 MrBacon       Benrob0329[m] I don't really know how to use the file manager for files like that
19:48 Benrob0329[m] /minetest/mods
19:49 MrBacon       Do u have a link to the file ?
19:49 IhrFussel     OR if you want the mods to be world specific /Minetest/worlds/WORLDNAME/worldmods
19:50 Kurolox       Well, I installed unified_inventory as my first mod. I hope that it works
19:50 Benrob0329[m] https://github.com/minetest-technic/unified_inventory/archive/master.zip
19:50 IhrFussel     MrBacon, you need an app that can extract .zip files (like WinRar)
19:51 MrBacon       I don't know what to do tho all I know is that I need es file explore to unzip then
19:51 Benrob0329[m] hes on Android
19:51 passant       very odd...while enlarging many parameters for mapgenv7, i run into this odd behavior: https://community.illuna-minetest.tk/uploads/default/original/1X/424df900106b45e8cd2838181dc2f81b530cd9e7.png (a mountain-like column right to the top of the world
19:51 Kurolox       I think it doesn't work. I've unzipped that link and copied the folder into the mods folder from minetest
19:51 IhrFussel     WinRar exists on Android
19:51 Benrob0329[m] ok, now you need to enable the mod
19:52 Benrob0329[m] thats all
19:52 Kurolox       Oh, I thought that it would be enabled by default. How do I enable it?
19:52 MrBacon       Goto mine test and configure mods and enable
19:52 Benrob0329[m] there should be an option to enable the mods either on the main world select screen, or under settings
19:52 Kurolox       That might be hard considering that the server is running in a headless computer
19:52 Kurolox       therefore there's no graphics, only CLI
19:52 IhrFussel     Ok well seems they renamed it to RAR: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rarlab.rar
19:53 MrBacon       Okay it's install it
19:53 MrBacon       *installimg
19:54 Kurolox       So there's no way to enable mods through CLI or config files?
19:54 MrBacon       Idk
19:55 Taose         There should be, most servers run headless so
19:55 passant       maybe my little problem is caused by a scale value?
19:56 Kurolox       After extracting the mod there you need to enable it for your world. This can either be done in the GUI by clicking on "Configure" in the world selection, or by adding load_mod_<modname> = true in the world.mt file in the world directory.
19:56 Kurolox       So mods work tied to the world config, I think. Is that true?
19:56 IhrFussel     OR like I said by moving the mod directories to /Minetest/worlds/NAMEOFYOURWORLD/worldmods
19:56 IhrFussel     No need to edit the .conf then
19:57 MrBacon       I have rar now what do I do
19:57 Kurolox       but if the mods are tied to a world that already exists, how do exactly work mods that change stuff in the world generation? (ie new ores)
19:58 IhrFussel     Kurolox, they will likely only modify new generated map portions...or some mods overwrite existing map parts randomly
19:59 MrBacon       Os there a way I can use anything I can get on my tab to make a server for minetest
20:00 Taose         O.o
20:00 Taose         as long as you can put minetest on it, you can run a server from it.
20:00 Taose         The game runs a server-client interface at all times.
20:00 Taose         just single player looks integrated.
20:00 MrBacon       I have minetest on it but how do I make a server because I wanted toadd a few mod to it
20:00 Calinou       it's possible, but a very bad idea to run a Minetest server on a mobile device
20:01 Calinou       heat and battery life quickly becomes an issue
20:01 Calinou       (and even performance)
20:01 * Taose       defers to the expert.
20:01 Taose         Though you don't need to run a server to install mods.
20:01 Taose         Just extract the mods in the mod directory :/
20:01 IhrFussel     My phone starts dropping frames when there's a few entities on screen...I don't wanna know how bad it would be to run a server on it
20:02 MrBacon       Well I was just wanting to try and make as I thought if I couldn't find a hoster as my mum won't let me buy a package for one ill type and make one myself
20:02 Taose         Use a desktop
20:02 Taose         or a laptop
20:02 MrBacon       I don't have a computer
20:03 Taose         Welp, time to start delivering newspapers
20:03 Taose         (we still have those right? Am I that old yet?)
20:03 IhrFussel     MrBacon, you MIGHT get into a problem in case you want to use WiFi for the server connection and have no access to the router
20:03 Calinou       Taose: heh
20:04 Calinou       MrBacon: also if you want people from the Internet to connect, you'll need to perform port forwarding
20:04 Calinou       which requires some networking know-how
20:06 MrBacon       Well I guess I won't be able or have a server lol I'm  not allowed to port forward either guess ill need to wait till I'm older to get a server till I can buy one
20:06 red-001       well a server is usually uses less resources then a client, as long as there isn't a lot of players on it
20:07 red-001       but getting a stable connection might be hard on a mobile device
20:07 * passant     fixed his problem ...at least for this position but is still unsure about how this can happen :S
20:07 passant       and stone deserts are still a problem too :(
20:07 MrBacon       Red I know but i guess I am just gonna have to wait till later in life
20:08 red-001       do you not have a pc/laptop?
20:10 MrBacon       No
20:11 MrBacon       And any people I knew who hosted said they were full
20:11 IhrFussel     I added a /kill command (before you added it in minetest_game) that sets the player HP to 0 ... but it doesn't always work...why?
20:12 IhrFussel     There seems to be a bug that keeps the player dead at 0 HP and only a server restart fixes it
20:12 MrBacon       Maybe check the coding
20:13 IhrFussel     I didn't modify the way players die, I only added the /kill command that sets the HP to 0 which doesn't work when the bug happens cause the player already reached 0 HP and does not respawn
20:14 IhrFussel     The player CAN use the chat though...his characters appears on the ground as dead
20:15 MrBacon       IhrFussel: I've seen that a few times on different servers idk what's up with it
20:16 Benrob0329[m] i wonder if there is a way to add a /kill command to irc, that would display a death message
20:16 IhrFussel     Maybe I need to add a function that sets the HP back to 20 inside on_dieplayer()
20:19 IhrFussel     Now the player can play normally again after using /kill on him, then he reconnected and then we used /kill on him again and he respawned
20:20 IhrFussel     I'll post the /kill command one sec
20:25 IhrFussel     There should be nothing wrong with it: http://pastebin.com/TQchmYaM
20:26 IhrFussel     Ignore the one line that ends with $ ... it's from nano editor
20:27 red-001       huh I got a weird problem with msvc
20:28 red-001       M_PI seems to be undefined everywhere
20:28 Kurolox       What mod should I add for mobs? I've heard that you shouldn't put more than one. Is there one that adds both aggresive mobs and neutral mobs like animals?
20:29 StickBot      hi I'm a bot call stickbot
20:30 StickBot      /me hi
20:30 MrBacon       xd
20:30 red-001       :|
20:30 red-001       XD
20:30 Benrob0329[m] wut
20:31 StickBot      I'm MrBacons supybor
20:31 StickBot      supybot
20:31 IhrFussel     Kurolox, there is a mod "mobs" that is in the forums called Mobs Redo ... it contained a whole bunch of monsters and animals before the maker decided to split them up... Maybe you'll find the one whole pack somewhere
20:31 red-001       !help
20:31 MinetestBot   https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md
20:31 red-001       |help
20:31 passant       aww... i don't get rid of this stone biomes... but actually the stone column is gone... https://x.tchncs.de/upload/808167ff-549e-4d97-8fa1-20d797566eec/screenshot_20170118_212803.jpg
20:31 red-001       is 100mb enough for minetest?
20:32 red-001       no?
20:32 Benrob0329[m] og ram?
20:32 Benrob0329[m] *of
20:32 red-001       sadly no
20:33 red-001       of disk space for a server
20:33 * red-001     is looking through free hosts
20:33 Benrob0329[m] ah, probably not
20:33 IhrFussel     red-001, My map limit is 7000 and the size is ~ 5 GB
20:33 red-001       I see
20:34 IhrFussel     So maybe if you set a limit of 500 or less
20:34 Benrob0329[m] and even then, with mods...
20:38 IhrFussel     Is Lighttpd as good as Apache for small websites?
20:39 Taose         Apparently some kind souls in the forums do some free hosting for minetest servers o.o
20:40 IhrFussel     Taose, I would never host my server on someone else's hardware...risk too high that you could lose control or even access
20:41 Kurolox       I do run my sever in my own hardware
20:41 Kurolox       feels good
20:42 Kurolox       About anti griefing tools, since I'm going to make a PvP server I'm not sure if I should include one or not. Is there any antigrief mod that only works while the player is disconnected?
20:42 IhrFussel     I do too...paying that amount of money monthly doesn't feel so good though
20:42 Taose         If you have no choice IhrFussel then you have no choice.
20:43 Benrob0329[m] You could just forward ports on your router
20:43 IhrFussel     Kurolox, the best area protection mod I could find was "areas" and you could easily modify it to not protect when the players are online
20:44 * Taose       wonders if anyone has ported minetest to a nokia 3310 yet...
20:44 Kurolox       Sounds like what I want. Could I add a delay? I don't want people DCing because someone is gonna attack them. Anyways I'm gonna add it
20:46 IhrFussel     What is the reason again why Minetest won't be ported to iOS? I know it's about licenses but what exactly "forbids" the distribution there?
20:46 red-001       apple
20:47 red-001       they don't allow LGPL/GPL apps in their store
20:47 agaran        Taose: if you get few carts of them, then make cluster.. then maaaaaybe
20:48 IhrFussel     red-001, and I'm guessing you can't download iOS apps elsewhere..it's likely locked to their store (unless you jailbreak which only very few people do)
20:48 red-001       correct
20:49 red-001       however you can upload apps for a limited time or something like that without jailbreaking
20:49 red-001       it's called sideloading
20:49 red-001       the main problem is we don't have the source code for running minetest on IOS
20:49 IhrFussel     I don't understand why they disallow (L)GPL ... it doesn't harm the device in any way
20:50 red-001       legal reasons or something
20:50 red-001       dunno
20:50 IhrFussel     Do they disallow OSS in general?!
20:50 red-001       they do a lot of werid/anti-consumer things
20:54 Kurolox       I'm getting a lot of Mod name does not follow naming conventions: Only chararacters [a-z0-9_] are allowed.
20:54 Kurolox       I believe I might be doing something wrong, but I'm not sure what
20:55 Benrob0329[m] you need to rename the folder to the name
20:55 Kurolox       I did with one, but I kept getting errors
20:55 Benrob0329[m] for example, if in the title of the forum post it had something like
20:55 Benrob0329[m] Throwing [bows]
20:56 Benrob0329[m] you would name it `bows`
20:56 Kurolox       does the name really matters? I mean, it must be exactly that one?
20:56 Benrob0329[m] yes
20:59 Kurolox       !up kurolox.com
20:59 MinetestBot   kurolox.com:30000 is up (51ms)
21:00 Kurolox       Ugh, I'm bad at this. I should consider just copying the mod list from another pvp sever and modify it rather than install all from the ground
21:02 Bama          Anyone see why i can "print 'wp'" and it shows in console. But when it does setpos it kicks error saying call method 'setpos' (a nil value) ? http://pastebin.com/uiKntVUD I hate to ask but i can't figure it out and im pretty noobie
21:04 Bama          Just to elaborate I'm just adding a button to waypoints inside of unified inventory that allows you to travel to the wp
21:08 IhrFussel     That stupid "disconnecting peer" bug just kicked 9 of my players in the same second -.-
21:11 Taose         Tis okay at least it didn't kill them.
21:11 QwertyDragon  http://wiki.minetest.net/Main_Page Minetest 0.4.14
21:13 QwertyDragon  My wiki account does not let me edit main page, but someone who can please cange under download 4.14 to 4.15 :)
21:13 QwertyDragon  *change
21:15 IhrFussel     Taose, haha true but the devs think it only affects player in mapblocks with many objects...I honestly don't believe that NINE players were in mapblocks full of objects at the SAME TIME...that's pretty unlikely
21:16 red-001       any options on https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4790 ?
21:16 red-001       is this something that would be seen as useful by most modders?
21:17 red-001       what about https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4227 ?
21:19 IhrFussel     red-001, the latter was already implemented
21:19 IhrFussel     You find the join/leave messages now in misc.lua
21:19 red-001       well partially
21:20 red-001       mods still can't directly change it
21:20 Taose         That's because devs are silly.
21:21 Taose         Grab the logs to find out where they were?
21:21 IhrFussel     TBH I'm not sure why a mod should set the join/leave messages
21:22 IhrFussel     Well...maybe for displaying scores on survival servers? Or the online time which was tracked by a mod?
21:24 IhrFussel     On my server the join message looks like this "[rank] [playername] ([level]) joins ... last login: X h ago." I didn't need a mod for that
21:24 Bama          I have tried many other methods not just the one I posted on the pastebin. I just can't figre out why it wont put the user in the pos. it is getting the info from datastorage, I can print it.
21:28 IhrFussel     Bama, one idea is to debug the code line by line...put a "minetest.log("action","some text")" in each line and run it...see if it tells something in the log or just print() any text
21:28 IhrFussel     That way you will see which part of the code gets executed
21:29 Bama          I have done that with print. It crashes at the setpos f
21:29 Bama          player_name:setpos(wp) <- that
21:30 IhrFussel     You can also add conditions like "if wp == nil then print("FATAL ERROR wp VAR IS NIL") end
21:30 GreenDimond   i have a question about compiling minetest daily
21:30 Bama          That is why I am confussed it isn't nil. I checked that before that command and I can print "wp"
21:31 IhrFussel     Bama, does wp really print the CORRECT format?
21:31 Bama          I can print in two formats not sure what is correct. I will get them for you
21:32 IhrFussel     It has to be a table {x=[pos],y=[pos],z=[pos]}
21:32 Bama          print (minetest.pos_to_string(wp)) <-- prints in console "(200, 200, 200)" 200 is example
21:32 Bama          If I don't use the to string it is 0x00000 - again all 0 is just example
21:33 sfan5         Bama: if it complains about "nil values" during player_name:setpos(wp) then it's complaining about "player_name" not "wp"
21:33 sfan5         learn to read the error messages correctly
21:33 sfan5         GreenDimond: then ask
21:33 GreenDimond   i was told to do this to update MT: cd minetest        git pull && make -j$(grep -c processor /proc/cpuinfo)        this works. But i was told to put this to update MT Game: git clone https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game      and this gives an error that destination path "minetest_game" already exists and it is not an empty directory.  What do I do to update MT game?
21:33 sfan5         cd minetest_game && git pull
21:34 GreenDimond   it tooka while to type
21:34 sfan5         Bama: you cannot call setpos on what presumably is a string
21:34 sfan5         you need a player object
21:34 GreenDimond   sfan5: is there anything that tells me if success or not? it looks like it worked but i want to be sure
21:34 IhrFussel     Oh yeah now I see it... Bama, add "minetest.get_player_by_name(playername)"
21:34 sfan5         it should say things about fetching some things
21:35 IhrFussel     player_name*
21:35 Bama          IhrFussel, That is above the that code in the same function
21:35 IhrFussel     But did you put it into another var?
21:35 Bama          local player_name = player:get_player_name()
21:35 GreenDimond   remote: Counting objects: 54, done. remote: Total 54 (delta 27), reused 27 (delta 27), pack-reused 27 Unpacking objects: 100% (54/54), done. From https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game    9ab5070..6dcf541  master     -> origin/master Updating 9ab5070..6dcf541 Fast-forward               and then a bunch of file names and creating schematics.
21:35 sfan5         then you already have a player object
21:36 red-001       yeah thats normal
21:36 sfan5         use player:setpos(wp) then
21:36 sfan5         GreenDimond: yes that looks correct
21:36 GreenDimond   :D
21:36 red-001       git spams a bit
21:36 GreenDimond   so it should have worked?
21:36 red-001       yeah
21:36 GreenDimond   server list changed stuff, therefore, it works!
21:37 GreenDimond   *has changes
21:38 GreenDimond   thanks!
21:38 Bama          omg......that worked Perfectly
21:38 Bama          Thank you guys...!
21:39 Bama          I do feel a little stupid though, i been on this for hours, lol.
21:39 Bama          IhrFussel, sfan5 , thank you guys.
21:52 Bama          Is there somewhere I can read up on displaying text on screen and their locations?
22:03 IhrFussel     Bama, http://dev.minetest.net/HUD
22:06 Bama          IhrFussel: thank you. i'm reading that now
22:15 IhrFussel     Is there a way to write ALL registered node itemstrings to a file when the server boots up?
22:15 IhrFussel     So that I can access it externally and check for existance
22:17 IhrFussel     Do I just have to loop through minetest.registered_nodes?
22:21 MinetestBot   02[git] 04sfan5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Add particle animation, glow 137279f0b https://git.io/vMMkP (152017-01-18T22:21:01Z)
22:28 IhrFussel     I'm trying to get all node names from minetest.registered_nodes[] but it doesn't work
22:29 IhrFussel     I tried looping and calling directly
22:34 twoelk        you could make an empty color.txt file and use the complains of minetestmapper of missing nodes to generate an list of existing nodes in the map without needing to start the server
22:37 red-001       is navigating to the world directory something that players tend to do often?
22:38 red-001       trying to figure out if making the directory name more messy by adding a "_1" to it is likely to annoy a lot of people
22:40 IhrFussel     twoelk, but I'm trying to get the names while starting the server...I want it so the engine prints all available nodes in a file
22:41 IhrFussel     I just need the item strings not the desc or groups
22:41 IhrFussel     The file should look like this: line1 "default:sand" line2 "default:wood" etc
22:43 twoelk        when having the discussion some time back of exploring the database blobs - didn't sfan5 provide some code for doing that?
22:44 * twoelk      can't remember when exactly that was
22:52 swift110      hey all
22:52 swift110      so I installed Minetest onto a pi 3
23:00 Bama          Is there no built in feature to display text on screen? Like after someone does something let htme know it was done by printing text?
23:02 Benrob0329[m] Well, i have a new mic setup 😃
23:02 IhrFussel     Bama, do you mean in the chat? .minetest.chat_send_player(name,"text")
23:03 IhrFussel     minetest.chat_send_player*
23:03 Bama          I was hoping in middle of screen. But anywhere would would. I'm trying what you recommneded right now.
23:04 IhrFussel     I gave you the link to the HUD page
23:04 IhrFussel     A HUD can also display text and you can adjust the position, scale, color
23:07 Bama          I read it, but didn't understand how to use it.
23:07 Bama          The chat text should be ok. Just as long as i can read it :D
23:11 IhrFussel     Please can someone tell me why this won't work? "for nodename, def in ipairs(minetest.registered_nodes) do minetest.chat_send_player(name,def.name) end"
23:11 red-001       what does it print out>
23:11 red-001       what does it print out?
23:11 IhrFussel     Nothing
23:12 red-001       try replacing chat_send_player with print()
23:14 IhrFussel     red-001, it should print in terminal right? Nothing
23:14 red-001       huh does the code even run?
23:14 IhrFussel     I guess not but why
23:14 red-001       try adding a print("It worked!") before it
23:15 IhrFussel     It shows the "OK" before the loop
23:16 red-001       well if you want to take a look at minetest.registed_nodes you can just use "dump()"
23:16 red-001       it converts the table to a string
23:16 IhrFussel     red-001, but I only want the node string of each node
23:17 red-001       it might help you figure out want you are doing wrong
23:17 Bama          Is the person that 'starts' the server always made admin? I'm hosting it on my computer but I don't want but normal person priv when playing.
23:18 IhrFussel     Bama, admin is the player whos defined as "name" in .conf
23:19 Bama          I understand that. But when I change the name and start the server i still have admin powers.
23:21 IhrFussel     Create another user, then log in with the one you are admin and revoke all privs from the 2nd user
23:21 IhrFussel     That might work
23:22 IhrFussel     red-001, "def" is empty
23:28 IhrFussel     red-001, dump(minetest.registered_nodes) is empty TOO...
23:28 red-001       huh maybe you are running this a the wrong time or got the name wrong?
23:29 Bama          IhrFussel: that didn't work. As soon as I started the server back with the other user they got all privs back, lol. I guess it is by default whoever starts a server gets all? I just wanted to make sure i couldn't mess up and use the creative one. I did trying just removing it also but same results as soon as I started it back i got all
23:31 IhrFussel     red-001, this is the ENTIRE test command and yes it prints the "OK": http://pastebin.com/SxasPHCk
23:45 Bama          IhrFussel: i ran print(minetest.registered_nodes) and it gave me a 0x00000 type number.
23:46 IhrFussel     It gave me table: 0xacf44798
23:47 Bama          i did the dump also. but not sure if it did anything
23:50 Bama          IhrFussel: i did this and game went insane print(minetest.serialize(minetest.registered_nodes)) it is still printing stuff
23:51 Bama          if i had to guess it is listing the entire map?
23:52 Bama          I don't know but that might give you what you are after?
23:53 IhrFussel     Bama, no all I want is a list of all available node strings that are registered in the engine...I didn't know it could be THAT hard to get them
23:56 Bama          Where is the file from the dump command supposed to be?
23:57 IhrFussel     Bama, it should just show the output in the terminal same as print() AFAIK
23:59 Bama          IhrFussel: what about this? http://pastebin.com/nz9R6Sa5 or that still give to much info?