Time Nick Message 00:39 Fixer kaeza: 15:45 Taose Do extensions/mods have to be in Lua? 15:45 rdococ idk for sure but someone could develop a fork with a Javascript API or something instead 15:46 Taose Javascript 15:46 Taose ... 15:46 Taose okay I've stopped laughing now. 15:46 rdococ ik 15:46 rdococ :p 15:47 Taose I was thinking python actually. 15:47 rdococ that was just an example. a terrible example. 15:47 Taose Was no less funny. 15:47 rdococ python 15:47 Taose >.> yes...apparently THE language to learn for a complete newbie interested in games programming. 15:48 Taose (and it works on my system, so that's a big plus) 15:48 rdococ really? 15:48 Taose for complete newbies >.> 15:48 Taose C++ is the best to learn overall I believe (for games) 15:49 Taose Unfortunately, I can't get my head around pointers and few of the "slightly" advanced topics (probably due to shitty tuts) 15:50 rdococ can you give an example of one of those topics? 15:50 Taose (Initially, I understand pointers just fine...it's when passing references and so on that screws me over) 15:50 Taose hang on a moment... 15:51 rdococ pointers just sound like complicated variables to me 15:51 Taose The last time I tried I ended up having to skip pointers and dynamic memory but still got stuck in Classes II 15:51 Taose http://www.cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/ 15:52 Taose Pointers...aren't variables in the traditional sense. 15:53 Taose But I think they can be assigned things, but they point to memory not to data 15:53 Taose or some such nonsense 15:53 rdococ they point to a memory address 15:53 rom1504 they are variables alright 15:54 Taose >_> 15:54 Taose No rom, it's witchcraft. 15:54 rdococ pretty sure they're just complicated variables. 15:54 Taose yes well... 15:54 Taose python so I don't have to worry about that crap (initially) 15:55 octacian Taose: yes, they have to be in Lua. Lua is actually kinda THE language to learn for a "complete newbie interested in games programming." 15:55 Taose >_> but this is the only place that says that ._. 15:55 rdococ I have to agree 15:56 octacian Google it. You'll find MANY other places that say the same things. Other large games like WoW and Angry Birds use Lua too :P 15:56 Taose But ho hum. At least I know outright that I won't be coding for minetest ;) 15:56 rdococ int a = 5; int *ptr = NULL; ptr = &a; *ptr = 8; // and now a = 8 15:56 Amaz lua is pretty easy to learn. 15:56 Amaz And it's very good as a scripting language. 15:56 octacian Amaz: I disagree. It's very easy to learn :P 15:56 Amaz :P 15:57 octacian lol 15:57 Taose and I probably will learn it...after I've learned python first. 15:57 rdococ octacian: I disagree with that. Everyone already knows it, they just have to find that knowledge in their mind 15:57 Taose python >> C++ >> Java >> Ruby >> Lua 15:57 octacian WHY...? 15:57 rdococ how rude, Taose 15:57 Taose (that's not a greater than >.>) 15:57 octacian rdococ: lol, I guess 15:57 rdococ oh. 15:57 rdococ -. 15:57 rdococ -.-* 15:58 rdococ no, it's a bit shift. 15:58 Krock it's a much-greater-than 15:58 Taose ._. 15:58 octacian Lua is about the easiest programming language to start with though. 15:58 rdococ Lua -> Python -> Ruby? -> Java? -> C++ 15:58 octacian yes. 15:58 Krock octacian, batch would be #1 if it was a programming lang 15:59 rdococ sorry, batch? 15:59 octacian I guess, but... 15:59 Taose I know more FOSS with python than I do with Lua so I can practice with them and Python has an extensive game dev library. 15:59 Krock even kids play with them 15:59 octacian IF is was a programming lang. 15:59 rdococ BATCH? 15:59 Krock *IF it 15:59 Krock rdococ, no, just batch. 15:59 rdococ oh. 15:59 rdococ still. 15:59 rdococ JUST BATCH?! 16:00 Krock Problem? *trollface* 16:00 rdococ I don't think the trollface meme works in IRC. 16:00 Taose (... to be honest, I should have know this was going to happen ...) 16:00 rdococ (...um... how would you have known? 16:00 Taose *brings a Python to a Lua fight* 16:01 octacian *Lua wins* 16:01 rdococ *Python gets constricted by Lua in an ironic twist* 16:02 octacian **Python dies** 16:02 Taose I get the message I'll take my python elsewhere >.> 16:02 rdococ look what you've done octacian, you scared away a possible de 16:02 rdococ dev* 16:03 Taose Eh not really 16:03 Taose I'm a bit set on learning Python for now and since that can't be used for MineTest, it's no biggy. 16:04 Taose >.> it's not that MineTest is in epic need of devs. 16:04 octacian rdococ: i did NOT! 16:04 rdococ octacian: you DID! 16:04 octacian lol 16:04 octacian did NOT! 16:04 Taose (So far, fantastically well put together, sure, there are changes I'd like...but they're inconsequential) 16:05 rdococ you DID! 16:05 An0n3m0us lol 16:05 octacian Okay, let's look at this like reasonable human beings rather than unreasonable children. Taose is still in IRC, so I would assume I did not scare him away. 16:05 octacian :rotfl: 16:05 Taose First language I learned was HTML :) *trollface* 16:06 rdococ okay, let's scare him away now 16:06 Taose lol 16:06 octacian lol 16:06 rdococ never bring a HTML to a programming language fight 16:06 octacian Taose: first thing I learned was a bit of JS. Then I learned HTML. 16:06 Taose o.O 16:07 Taose Actually that makes more sense. 16:07 rdococ what?! 16:07 Taose JS first, HTML later. 16:07 octacian ..then after HTML I learned PHP. 16:07 whitephoenix CSS is the best programming languages, whoever used C++ clearly didn't know what they were doing 16:07 octacian whitephoenix: uhm... lol 16:08 octacian in fact, I'm currently reading a 26-chapter book on PHP. then I'll read a 600-page JS book. 16:08 * Taose is suddenly not the target 16:08 octacian (26-chapter = 600-page) 16:08 octacian lol 16:09 rdococ you know, I am thinking about "learning" PHP. 16:10 Calinou rdococ: PHP is not a bad language, honestly, if you do it right 16:10 Taose Go for it, it's really handy if you're a website builder. 16:10 whitephoenix rdococ, everyone is moving to js, personally I would go to that instead 16:10 Calinou do use a framework, follow good practices (http://thisinterestsme.com/php-best-practises) 16:10 Taose >.> doesn't help that I disable JS for security reasons 16:11 Calinou https://www.xkcd.com/538/ :P 16:11 Calinou either way, it would still work since JavaScript in this case would run on the back-end using Node.js 16:11 Taose They have to find me first 16:11 Taose Fair point 16:12 Taose In which case, I'm all for it. 16:12 octacian NodeJS is quite nice as an alternative to PHP 16:12 Calinou Node.js is fast, I'll give you that 16:12 * Taose watches hardcore person develop website in Fortran 16:12 Calinou but unfortunately, a lot of aspects in the usual frameworks are left undocumented, at least in my experience 16:12 octacian I've been using it lately messing with Electron 16:13 whitephoenix side note if you write desktop apps in js I will start a picket line at your front door 16:13 Taose X) 16:13 Calinou Electron is ok, if you can cope with the RAM usage and relative slowness (which certainly isn't a problem for some apps) 16:13 Calinou Visual Studio Code is quite snappy for an Electron app, but Microsoft engineering team is one of a kind 16:13 Calinou (unlike GitHub engineering team, it seems) 16:13 whitephoenix at this point you might as well just run a local web app since people probably have a browser already running anyways 16:14 whitephoenix I really dislike electron 16:14 octacian I haven't found then using two much... Atom is nice and fast, as is Nylas N1, GitKraken, and a host of other apps. 16:14 Calinou Atom isn't exactly fast :( https://pavelfatin.com/typing-with-pleasure/ 16:14 octacian whitephoenix: what do you prefer? 16:14 Taose (this conversation has moved so far beyond me) 16:14 octacian there's Caret too.. 16:14 Calinou Java-based IDEs are faring better, and Visual Studio Code likely beats it as well 16:14 whitephoenix octacian, for GUI? 16:14 Taose mmmm steamed or roasted? 16:14 rdococ (this conversation is beginning to move around me) 16:14 whitephoenix qt is the best gui system 16:14 octacian ok. for backend? 16:15 Calinou whitephoenix: problem is, Qt is really usable only in C++ and nothing else 16:15 Taose >.> and Python 16:15 whitephoenix nah theres lots of bindings 16:15 octacian true. 16:15 Calinou I tend to give up quickly on C++ judging on the situation of dependency management/build system 16:15 Amaz vim ftw :P 16:15 Taose ^ *shoots* 16:15 Calinou whitephoenix: other than Python, I don't know any *actual*, non-QML bindings that give you most functionality 16:15 whitephoenix if it has rust and python bindings thats all I care about 16:15 octacian ok, maybe atom is kinda slow. 16:15 Calinou the Rust binding is a QML one, it looks like crap on Linux last time I've tried 16:16 Calinou (unlike all other Qt apps I've used - and this was on KDE!) 16:16 whitephoenix weird 16:16 whitephoenix even if it's ugly I'd still prefer it over gtk and electron though 16:16 Taose Tkinter? 16:16 Calinou no, just no :P 16:16 Taose awww 16:17 whitephoenix or ncurses is good too 16:17 Calinou what's good with Electron is that hi-DPI support seems easy to implement, so is a responsive UI system 16:17 octacian huh, maybe, just MAYBE, I'll use something other than electron for my next project.. IDK what else there is that really is good though. 16:17 Calinou (since you can use any CSS) 16:17 octacian yeah, that's one thing I really like. 16:17 whitephoenix You can use css stylesheets in qt 16:17 Calinou theming is also easy 16:17 Calinou whitephoenix: only a very limited portion 16:18 Calinou btw, look at http://photonkit.com/ 16:18 Calinou it looks beautiful, but it has only macOS appeareance right now 16:19 whitephoenix I mean electron is great for developers but sucks for users 16:19 octacian eh, I'm sticking with electron. 16:19 Calinou if you use React, this exists as an alternative for Windows and macOS: http://reactdesktop.js.org/ 16:20 Calinou unfortunately, providing a theme for the 150 Linuxes out there is going to be hard 16:20 octacian BTW, Calinou: about M$'s engineering team, it's one of the reason's why I'll never touch Windows again in my life (aside from testing) 16:20 Calinou octacian: uh, they're more skilled than you think 16:20 Calinou Edge is actually something successful from a technical standpoint, for example 16:20 Calinou (it's the most power-efficient browser out there) 16:21 octacian MS with their 80-person team to develop their flight simulator couldn't keep up with 4 guys at xplane working on Macs. 16:22 octacian ..which is why they've long since discontinued Microsoft Flight Simulator. 16:22 whitephoenix the guy who made xplane is pretty cool 16:22 whitephoenix also >directx 16:23 octacian lol I was messing with Xplane a few weeks ago, and turns out I need more RAM. 16:23 whitephoenix I want to buy it but it's so expensive 16:23 whitephoenix flightgear has a lot of issues for me 16:24 Calinou you pretty much need 16 GB of RAM for XPlane IIRC 16:25 octacian yeah. 16:25 octacian I've only got 8GB, and it's only 1200MHz 16:25 * Calinou needs to fix XMP in his desktop by the way 16:26 Krock 1.2 GHz.. that's a RAM frequency? wow shit man 16:26 Calinou my DDR4 runs at 2133 MHz, and not 3200 MHz like it should :( because I've had bugs with XMP before, had to turn it off 16:26 Krock my DDR3 works with 533 MHz 16:27 Calinou that's 1066 MHz probably 16:27 octacian Krock: ONLY? lol 16:27 Calinou the "real" frequency is 533 MHz, but the "commercial" frequency is 1066 MHz 16:27 Calinou I refer to commercial frequencies here, they're not as real but they're the most commonly used/least confusing :P 16:27 octacian lol 16:27 Krock type-1066 but the frequency is shown as 533 MHz 16:28 rdococ commercial/real frequencies??? 16:28 Krock my DDR2 RAM used to have about the same clock 16:28 Krock (from the older mainboard) 16:28 Calinou rdococ: RAM will advertise twice the frequency of the "real" main clock 16:31 rdococ why? 16:33 Calinou because reasons... you should ask in ##hardware :P 16:33 Krock just remembered that I had some old 4 MB SIMM RAM somewhere 16:33 Calinou (you need to be signed in to NickServ to talk there) 16:44 Taose Suggestion for completeness in normal game... 16:44 Taose Make leaves compostable into dirt? 16:45 Taose (craft 9 leaves into a few blocks of dirt?) 16:46 rubenwardy heh 16:46 rubenwardy also - you can't use python as a scripting language nicely 16:46 rubenwardy embedding python is bad 16:47 rubenwardy it's discouraged at least 16:47 rubenwardy when I researched this 16:47 Taose Assuming you want to actually embed it... 16:48 rubenwardy I actually quite like JS :P 16:48 rubenwardy As long as you use ES6 16:48 rubenwardy and flow 16:49 rubenwardy But it's not better than Lua for Minetest, reall 16:49 rubenwardy yimo 16:52 Calinou V8 is a beast to compile, apparently 17:45 red-001 !seen An0n3m0us> 17:45 MinetestBot red-001: Sorry, I haven't seen an0n3m0us> around. 17:45 red-001 !seen An0n3m0us 17:47 An0n3m0us !seen blue-001 17:47 MinetestBot An0n3m0us: Sorry, I haven't seen blue-001 around. 17:52 steve does anybody know what is with the jungleserve??? 18:52 Taose Da fuq are are all these square looking things in my radar...? 18:57 emunand Taose: enemies? 18:57 emunand or minetest herobrine 18:57 Taose I don't have a mob mod installed 18:57 Taose Currently exploring a cavern with the intention of turning it into a mine 18:57 juhdanad Taose: is the area loaded? 18:58 Taose Got down to mese level and there's all kinds of square things 18:58 Taose Yep 18:58 Taose (and this is one big cavern...Minetest, you have outdone yourself) 18:59 Taose ...it looks relatively innocuous from the coast... 19:00 emunand seed? 19:00 emunand i want to make an ethoslab equivelent in minetes 19:01 emunand t 19:01 garywhite ethoslab? 19:01 Taose Seed is a bit...erm 19:01 Taose >_> 19:01 Taose how do we get the seed back... 19:02 emunand f3 19:02 emunand or f4 19:03 Taose F3 enables/disables fog 19:03 emunand garywhite: an old Minecraft player who does a lot with redstone (which are mesecons) 19:03 Taose f4 does nothing 19:03 emunand check the top of the window then click f4 19:03 emunand it should be a profiler graph 19:03 emunand or description 19:04 sfan5 tokage: f5 19:04 sfan5 uh 19:04 Taose >.> 19:04 emunand that's the one 19:04 Taose No seed there 19:04 emunand should be at the top 19:04 emunand next to "Minetest" 19:04 Taose oh found it 19:04 sfan5 i will say seed = and some long number 19:05 Taose First...I am gonna find out wtf this is by digging to it 19:05 Taose ...much like how I found out what the green things were in the radar before x_x 19:06 juhdanad Oh, were they lava? 19:06 Taose protip: DO NOT DIG TO THE BRIGHTEST GREEN SPOT WITH A BRONZE PICK 19:06 Taose especially if you're speed mining 19:06 * Taose did not stop 19:06 Taose >.> 19:07 Taose Turns out...vertical drop about 300 blocks 19:07 juhdanad Yes, Minetest generates square-shaped lava lakes. 19:07 juhdanad Oh, but why? 19:08 agaran Taose: heh..:) 19:10 whitephoenix wonder how hard it would be to put cleverbot in minetest chat 19:12 emunand whitephoenix: i think there is already a bot somewhere 19:12 emunand but what would be it's use? 19:13 whitephoenix idk 19:13 whitephoenix gonna stream in like 15 minutes I think, my obs settings should be fixed 19:15 * Taose wonders if Cleverbot wonders about whether they should implement a cleverbot 19:19 whitephoenix alright I'm live @ twitch.tv/whitephoenix0 if anyone is interested 19:22 agaran Taose: isn't that a recursive problem? 19:23 Taose ... 19:23 Taose >_> 19:23 Taose I.. 19:24 Taose why is there a CORRIDOR UNDERGROUND!? 19:24 sfan5 is it made out of cobble? 19:25 Taose Seems like it 19:27 sfan5 dungeon 19:28 Taose O_o 19:28 Taose wut 19:29 sfan5 !wiki Dungeon 19:29 MinetestBot "02Cobblestone, 02Mossy Cobblestone, 02Cobblestone Stair(or just 02Desert Stone)" - http://wiki.minetest.net/Dungeon 19:30 Taose Who would generate a dungeon 19:30 Taose WHY!? 19:30 Taose Oh god now I have to spend hours down here mapping it -_- 19:31 Taose How do I build a teleporter... 19:38 Taose Well I said that but I think I'm already done 19:39 Krock Taose, why so worried about dungeons? 19:40 Taose Because have to explore them >.< 19:40 Taose Though this one appears quite small 19:40 sfan5 they're usually not big 19:40 Taose hm fair enough 19:40 Krock there's a mod that generates long paths/structures through your world 19:41 Taose >.> 19:41 Krock <.< 19:41 Taose Why does anyone one bother playing Minecraft when there's a Minetest... 19:41 sfan5 because Minecraft is more polished 19:41 Taose >_> 19:41 Taose ._. 19:41 Taose great 19:42 Taose now I'm going to have to donate... 19:42 Krock donate to paramat 19:42 Krock You MUST donate btw 19:42 Krock ;) 19:42 Fixer donate or die 19:43 Taose X) 19:43 Krock dying is too ineffective for players. they respawn 19:43 Taose I can't find a donate button on the main site... 19:43 Taose Found it 19:43 Krock https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=14935 19:43 emunand i will donate when they have bitcoin 19:44 sfan5 you can also donate with pull requests ;) 19:44 Krock or with bounties 19:44 Taose >.> my code is shitty 19:44 emunand i'm going to code right now 19:45 emunand i want to make a FOSS tetris android wear app 19:45 emunand although i am terrible at java 19:45 Taose >_> 19:45 sfan5 port minetest to smart fridges instead 19:45 Krock please donate cookies :3 19:45 Taose lmfao sfan5 19:45 emunand sfan5: soon 19:45 Krock fridges are the future 19:46 Taose Speaking of which 19:46 Taose the person who ported to android... 19:46 Taose gotta thank them 19:46 Krock but our community fridge is currently is not in use anymore. the feature freeze is over 19:46 juhdanad Taose: you don't have to send pull requests, reviews are also welcome. (I think...) 20:03 Taose Probably and I see the point about Paragon 20:03 Taose Has anyone suggested a GoFundMe account instead of Patreon? 21:59 HitachiMagicWand hello 22:00 sfan5 hello 22:00 sfan5 nice nick 22:00 HitachiMagicWand thank you 22:01 Krock perhaps 1/3 trademark protected 22:01 Krock indeed, very nice nick 22:54 Taose hu... 22:54 Taose I think I've found a nice bug with the water 22:54 agaran which kind of it? 22:54 Taose Artificially extending the flow range through help of the bucket. 22:55 Taose Normally...if you just tip the bucket out on land, the water will drain away. 22:56 Taose Tipping it into more water however... 23:37 Taose ...Paramat is in the UK... unless he's homeless, (4-8hrs a day working on Minetest excludes that possibility)... there's no way he should be on a quarter of the state income. >_> 23:42 red-002 well it's well known that water is buggy 23:43 Taose >.> it works, it's good enough. 23:43 Taose It's not a bug I want to be fixed either. 23:44 * Taose goes to sign up on the Minetest forums 23:44 Taose BLACKLISTED 23:44 Taose dammit 23:44 Taose Does anyone have an email address or other communications way of contacted Paramat? 23:44 Taose contacting* 23:44 red-002 well mt water doesn't really obey the laws of physics 23:44 red-002 github? 23:45 red-002 that should have an email 23:45 red-002 he should be on IRC 23:46 red-002 you can use the bot to send a message to him 23:46 red-002 !tell 23:46 MinetestBot red-002: Need a nickname... 23:46 paramat Taose i'm here 23:46 Taose o.O 23:46 red-002 !tell Taose hello! 23:46 MinetestBot red-002: I'll pass that on when Taose is around 23:46 Taose >.> 23:46 MinetestBot Taose: Jan-06 23:46 UTC hello! 23:47 Taose dammit red 23:47 Taose I could have sworn I checked the list