Time  Nick          Message
00:53 rubenwardy    namespace, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7253 ?
00:54 namespace     That's close, yeah.
00:56 * namespace   will take a look at the code for that
02:42 whitephoenix  on a scale of one to java web crysis 3 on integrated graphics, how much lag would putting particle spawners in all leaves for falling leave effects create?
02:58 namespace     "java web crysis 3"
02:58 namespace     I loled.
05:11 IhrFussel     Hello everyone =)
05:31 IhrFussel     agaran, one thing I didn't notice all the time was that my Inodes were almost 100% used...I deleted now lots of old map backups and it went down to 30%, maybe this will increase server performance
05:42 IhrFussel     Also when someone joins the load goes pretty high (30-40%)...seems unusual
05:43 IhrFussel     But it's very inconsistent...sometimes when a new player joins the load goes up other times it doesn't
06:16 fireglow      hmm, how are the mod resources stored on the client side? Can they be shared across servers?
06:18 fireglow      seems like it's ~/.cache/minetest/media. So possibly, the players who don't have a lot of mod resources pre-loaded, strain the server by downloading them. I don't know, this is entirely hypothetical.
06:23 IhrFussel     fireglow, but it shouldn't take 30% of server resources to handle media for one connecting client...not even on such a low machine (dualcore 2.8 GHz 2 GB RAM)
06:25 fireglow      Possibly
06:26 IhrFussel     If transferring media is such a resource hog the devs should've implemented some function to throttle the load IMO
06:28 IhrFussel     My mod directory isn't even large..maybe 10 MB
06:29 kaeza         IhrFussel, are you using remote media?
06:30 IhrFussel     kaeza, nope the media is handled on the same machine and it has 1 Gbit/s bandwith
06:33 kaeza         IhrFussel, remote media can speed up connection a bit. see `enable_remote_media_server` and `remote_media` settings
06:33 IhrFussel     But my lags are caused by something mysterious...I tested placing/removing lots of nodes = no lag, I teleported to 10 different places = no lag, I sent many chat messages = no lag...but no after I stand still and only 1 other player is building lag went up to 4 seconds
06:34 IhrFussel     kaeza, nah I think I'm fine for now..I will observe the load when players join more to maybe find a pattern
06:39 fireglow      gl finding it. My suggestion is to try the offered solutions instead of believing that something mysterious is the cause.
08:22 XeonSquared   hey geniuses, any idea how much bandwidth minetest uses?
09:04 PureTryOut[m] like 5
09:05 fireglow      6 at the most
09:07 XeonSquared   very useful info
09:12 fireglow      wireshark for the rescue
09:40 fireglow      ok I'm seeing about 2.28 MiB per 10 minutes
09:55 JamesTait     Good morning all! Happy Monday, and happy Hug a Bear Day! 😃  🐻
10:22 PureTryOut[m] that doesn't seem safe
10:33 Axord         Very much not safe.
10:34 KikaRz        On the build steps, there "$ make -j <number of processors>". Is it the number of processors or the number of cores?
10:40 PureTryOut[m] cores + 1
10:40 PureTryOut[m] "make -j($nproc)" might be the easiest
10:40 PureTryOut[m] KikaRz: ^ that will automatically use the maximum of your cores
10:41 KikaRz        Thank you. But I already set as 2 cores.
10:41 KikaRz        It's still slow :P
10:43 PureTryOut[m] your cpu has 2 cores?
10:43 PureTryOut[m] most have at least 4...
10:44 KikaRz        Don't you dare talk rude at my computer :c
10:46 KikaRz        http://i.imgur.com/q9P4SsU.png
10:50 PureTryOut[m] I wasn't talking rude, I was genuinely wondering
10:51 PureTryOut[m] but Celeron explains it, I was only thinking about i3/i5/i7
10:51 Calinou       PureTryOut[m]: lots of CPUs today still have 2 cores
10:51 KikaRz        :(
10:51 Calinou       basically all the Core i3, Pentium, Celeron out there
10:51 Calinou       even the Skylake ones
10:51 Calinou       but many have 4 threads indeed, 4 threads slowly becoming the average according to Steam hardware survey
10:51 PureTryOut[m] yeah but i3's have hyperthreading so 4 logical cores
10:52 PureTryOut[m] and I just completely forgot Pentium and Celeron
10:52 Calinou       compiling Minetest here can be done in 1-2 minutes on my desktop, IIRC
10:52 Calinou       i7-6700K :)
10:53 PureTryOut[m] i7-6700HQ in my laptop, should be around 1-2 minutes as well
10:54 Calinou       nice, I have an i7-4720HQ in my laptop
10:54 KikaRz        I missed this warning so much *-* "Irrlicht: PNG warning: iCCP: known incorrect sRGB profile"
10:54 PureTryOut[m] Minetest is literally the only project I know that builds in the source directory...
10:54 PureTryOut[m] KikaRz (IRC): ugh I have that warning all the time, annoys the hell out of me when modding
10:55 KikaRz        Thank you Calinou *-*
10:56 KikaRz        Will Irrlicht support Vulkan?
10:58 Calinou       KikaRz: maybe, but we definitely won't
10:58 Calinou       a game like Minetest would hardly benefit from Vulkan
10:58 Calinou       PureTryOut[m]: you can fix your sRGB profiles easily using ImageMagick or OptiPNG (IIRC)
10:59 PureTryOut[m] I have ImageMagick installed though
10:59 Calinou       OptiPNG is available in Debian repositories, and should be in Arch as well :P
10:59 PureTryOut[m] >assuming I use either of those
11:00 KikaRz        How do we use that to fix them?
11:01 Calinou       http://stackoverflow.com/questions/22745076/libpng-warning-iccp-known-incorrect-srgb-profile#22747902
11:01 Calinou       this should work using ImageMagick...
11:02 Calinou       Minetest developers should run it on all PNGs used
11:02 KikaRz        i was checking the same
11:02 KikaRz        so... convert -list format | grep PNG?
11:04 PureTryOut[m] ooh nothing on the user-side then, ok
11:05 KikaRz        but we can run it by ourselves
11:07 KikaRz        cya.
11:30 agaran        IhrFussel: what filesystem you are using there?
12:10 IhrFussel     agaran, ReiserFS
12:19 Persi[m]      It's funny how casually mentioning that you use reiserfs makes everybody wonder about your marital status
12:21 IhrFussel     Persi[m], it's a V Server, at home I use ext4
12:27 Persi[m]      I actually use btrfs now, I had to stop using reiser because of all the wife jokes
12:31 Calinou       btrfs is cool, except when
12:31 FallingBugs   his wife is dead for years, just use raiserfs, why the hell you should care?
12:31 Persi[m]      Calinou: are you sure it wouldn't be worth it? I recently watched one of the steam devices days talks on vulkan, one of the guys worked on the unity engine and according to him using vulkan on Android is worth it even if you don't use the features, because it lets you bypass all the gles driver problems
12:31 Calinou       I lost the end of this sentence because btrfs lost my files!
12:31 Calinou       :P
12:31 Calinou       </btrfs joke>
12:32 Calinou       Persi[m]: GLES 3.0 and later are rather cool actually, and way more supported than Vulkan
12:32 Calinou       Vulkan is still not supported on macOS, iOS, and most Android devices, and many, many PCs too
12:32 Calinou       the performance improvement in real use cases (2016 Doom) is about 30%, good but nothing spectacular
12:33 Calinou       Minetest would hardly benefit from those 30%, we can do way more by optimizing the current renderer
12:33 Calinou       (but nobody seems to know how to do it)
12:34 Persi[m]      I realise that, I thought the same, but that's on desktop PCs where the gl drivers actually work
12:34 Calinou       just use GLES (translated to OpenGL with GLEW or something) everywhere :P
12:34 Calinou       that's exactly what Godot is doing, a GLES 3.0 renderer is in the works
12:35 Calinou       Vulkan is surely the future, but it is not really mature yet
12:35 Calinou       and not supported enough to rely on it exclusivelyt
12:35 Calinou       -t
12:35 * Calinou     would like to see an higher-level wrapper to Vulkan, maybe
12:35 Calinou       that could boost its adoption for GL refugees :p
12:41 FallingBugs   Calinou: GL refugees?
12:50 agaran        IhrFussel: hmm..  neer used Reiser..
12:56 Persi[m]      Calinou: like I said, I agree with you, that was my position too. But hearing his comments during the talk made me rethink its value
13:06 FallingBugs   Persi[m]: what comments? what talk?
13:08 thePalindrome Eh, Vulkan is only worthwhile if you're willing to put in a lot of time to squeeze all the performance you can out of code
13:08 thePalindrome otherwise it'll be slower than opengl
13:09 FallingBugs   aaaaand another carpet mod...
13:10 * FallingBugs goes to Kroogle
13:14 SuicSoft_     Hi! I'm a new MineTest player. Where can I find the character skins found in the mod that allows you to change them?
13:14 FallingBugs   maybe try looking in mod folders
13:14 FallingBugs   for skins
13:16 SuicSoft_     FallingBugs: I did but couldn't find any
13:17 SuicSoft_     I only found one
13:17 FallingBugs   wait
13:17 FallingBugs   skins is a mod for minetest, it is installed on server
13:18 FallingBugs   you can only choose skins provided by the server
13:19 SuicSoft_     FallingBugs: So I can't use my own custom skins on the server?
13:19 FallingBugs   yeah, if you are simple player, you can ask server admin to add your skin
13:20 FallingBugs   by giving him a link to the skin
13:31 PureTryOut[m] FallingBugs (IRC): ooh shit seriously? only skins provided by the server? well that is shit
13:31 FallingBugs   i think so
14:13 PureTryOut[m] that is quite bad...
14:14 PureTryOut[m] that should just be a setting on the client
14:17 thePalindrome Alas, there's no way to handle that client-side for the moment
14:21 swift110      hello all
14:21 KikaRz        Hello World. -> it was my first written software.
14:25 fireglowl     Any idea why luacontrollers can't seem to switch a port on/off on digiline input? https://bpaste.net/show/2ce3565705dd Am I doing it wrong?
14:36 MinetestBot   02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Default, vessels: Darken shelf empty slot icons 136e00dde https://git.io/vXRqj (152016-11-07T14:32:35Z)
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14:37 MinetestBot   02[git] 04Ferk -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Fire / tnt: Make flint-and-steel use node on_ignite functions 13c824d69 https://git.io/vXRmf (152016-11-07T14:10:00Z)
15:34 octacian      hmmmm, what happened to singlenode worldgen? In other words, how can I get it back.
15:39 jin_xi        octacian: i think just the menu entry is gone, you can still set it via a mod
15:42 endev15       jin_xi, only via a mod? That's sad.
15:42 endev15       ugh.. stupid internet
15:59 paramat       octacian like this https://gist.github.com/paramat/feb2361da106371652ad
16:00 octacian      thx paramat
17:27 FallingBugs   -*,,,,*-
17:37 Calinou       Persi[m]: low-level isn't fun honestly
17:37 Calinou       there's a reason people make frameworks and libraries
17:38 Calinou       not only for portability, but also for ease of use, because computer time is cheap, but person time is never cheap
17:55 garywhite     Hi octacian
18:11 swift110      hey guys
18:29 garywhite     Hi swift
18:43 Calinou       speaking of the devil: http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OpenGL-Overload-Vulkan
18:52 est31         Calinou: you don't even star it? you get old
18:52 est31         https://github.com/g-truc/glo/stargazers
18:53 KikaRz        Calinou <3
18:56 Calinou       when it's usable maybe
18:57 Calinou       still I'll star it
19:00 KikaRz        How are you? long time no see
19:01 Calinou       fine, but lots of work at university
19:19 xordspar0     Is there a way to store a reference to an object as a string, then look up the actual object again later?
19:23 Krock         !mod test | mod
19:23 MinetestBot   Krock: 3D Armor [minetest-3d_armor] by stu - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4654
19:23 Krock         horray!
19:26 swift110      hmm
19:26 swift110      hey Calinou
19:40 garywhite     !mod test | mod
19:40 MinetestBot   garywhite: 3D Armor [minetest-3d_armor] by stu - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=4654
19:42 Krock         garywhite: http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php?st=0&at=0&q=rickroll
19:42 Krock         easter egg :3
19:42 garywhite     Dang it Krock!
19:44 agaran        :D
19:51 sofar         haha, krock's server is blocked my my corporate IT network
19:51 Krock         It's hostinger's server, so blame them please
19:51 sofar         yup, entire 16mb.com is blocked
19:52 Krock         lel
20:14 fireglow      Any idea why luacontrollers can't seem to switch a port on/off on digiline input? https://bpaste.net/show/2ce3565705dd Am I doing it wrong?
20:15 agaran        event.msg not event.message?
20:16 fireglow      sec, trying that
20:17 fireglow      agaran: thanks!!! works
20:17 agaran        :)
20:17 fireglow      yes I read the docs wrong, hah
20:18 fireglow      cheers man!
20:47 KikaRz        Calinou, can I still help Minetest to be translated?
20:47 Calinou       KikaRz: yes
20:47 KikaRz        Where can I do that?
20:48 Calinou       https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/minetest/minetest/
20:48 Calinou       sign up, then contribute
20:48 KikaRz        it used to be in another place...
20:48 Calinou       it changed about a year ago
20:48 KikaRz        Long time passed xD
20:48 KikaRz        does it still make some commit spam?
20:49 Calinou       yes
20:49 Calinou       we can't prevent that
20:51 KikaRz        and we can't prevent people who have gramatical errors to translate on Minetest project in Weblate.
20:54 KikaRz        Well... we can. Reporting the translation and translating on top of it.
21:00 Calinou       yes, exactly
21:00 Calinou       it's a collaborative project
21:00 Calinou       translation griefing is very rare in my experience on open source projects
21:00 Calinou       I've seen it once or twice maybe, and it was maybe not intentional
21:03 KikaRz        Yeah, or the context is incorrectly seen.
21:06 KikaRz        Wow, another time I'm seeing 'ativo' instead of 'ativado'. Another context mismatch.
21:12 KikaRz        Calinou, what is lacunarity?
21:13 Calinou       where?
21:13 KikaRz        https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/builtin/mainmenu/dlg_settings_advanced.lua#L0
21:14 Calinou       no idea
21:17 Wayward_One   paramat would probably know
21:18 KikaRz        paramat, what is lacunarity?
21:19 KikaRz        (damn stupid portuguese from portugal people - they just say that Mods are Extras)
21:19 paramat       see https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=228165#p228165
21:19 KikaRz        Thank you! :D
21:20 paramat       and also https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=227726#p227726
21:20 KikaRz        Well, it was only on a translation context
21:20 paramat       ah
21:20 FallingBugs   https://i.imgur.com/S7bLYoH.png
21:20 diemartin     technically they are plugins and not mods
21:21 KikaRz        but they're not extras.
21:21 diemartin     also, greetings
21:21 paramat       hm i wonder what lacunarity would translate to?
21:21 KikaRz        Hey hey!
21:21 crazyR        Hi all, Does anyone know if its possible to calculate roughly how much gold ore is left under the ground ?
21:22 agaran        I think you can make on mapblock generation handler which checks that with voxelmanip updating global counts..
21:22 agaran        but you would have to code that.. to always know how much was generated so far
21:22 KikaRz        http://i.imgur.com/3DYfjRk.png
21:22 paramat       well you can calculate it from the parameters
21:22 FallingBugs   https://i.imgur.com/0hRpafe.png
21:23 crazyR        Could you give me an example paramat... if you dont mind?  Im looking to try and link the econemy to the ore thats untouched if i can that is.
21:24 paramat       is it scatter ore?
21:24 diemartin     I'm seeing a lot of old players/users coming back
21:24 KikaRz        Yes you are. Remember me?
21:25 paramat       if you link me to the ore parameters i might be able to help
21:25 diemartin     of course :)
21:25 KikaRz        The most annoying person on Minetest ever seen.
21:25 diemartin     KikaRz: second one :p
21:25 paramat       nice terrain screenshot
21:27 KikaRz        the translators who passed in here are pretty scumbags. Antialiasing -> Antiserrilhamento (totally non sense)
21:28 crazyR        Im not sure paramat. Its standard mapgen v7. with the gold register in minetest_game being unchanged... Where would i find the info you require?
21:28 paramat       ah ok
21:29 paramat       "Lacunarity, from the Latin lacuna meaning "gap" or "lake", is a specialized term in geometry" this word might be unchanged in portuguese
21:30 paramat       or make up a word derived from 'lacuna'
21:30 KikaRz        A node -> a cube?
21:30 KikaRz        paramat, I changed to lacunaridade
21:30 paramat       cool
21:30 paramat       node usually means a full cube
21:31 Wayward_One   FallingBugs, just wondering, have you tried/managed to run mt with both prs 4530 and 4724?
21:31 paramat       but is also any object fixed in the world grid
21:31 FallingBugs   Wayward_One: no, 4530 is on hold now
21:32 paramat       crazyR https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/blob/master/mods/default/mapgen.lua#L242
21:32 Wayward_One   ah, i see. rather unfortunate
21:32 Wayward_One   but understandable
21:33 paramat       clusters per node is 1 / 13*13*13
21:33 paramat       multiply by ores per cluster (5)
21:33 paramat       gives ores per node
21:34 paramat       then multiply that by number of nodes in a mapblock or mapchunk
21:34 paramat       or whatever volume you are considering
21:35 KikaRz        I miss VanessaE so much :/
21:35 crazyR        Thanks paramat :)
21:36 paramat       but there are different densities at different depths of course
21:37 paramat       that first registration is for floatlands
21:38 KikaRz        is VanessaE fine?
21:39 paramat       i think so, just taking a break from MT dev
21:40 KikaRz        my hands are freezing D;
21:41 KikaRz        well, this is astounding. http://i.imgur.com/41NeUgh.png
21:46 exio4         what happened to her?
21:47 exio4         oh
21:48 agaran        KikaRz, you are just proving that I am doing right.. never using any NLS in anything..:)
21:50 KikaRz        what is a NLS?
21:50 agaran        native language support
21:50 KikaRz        xD
21:51 KikaRz        Portuguese (brazil) - necessita_fonte_alternativa - Spanish - no - Source - needs_fallback_font - Portuguese (portugal) - yes
21:51 agaran        yes saw picture..
21:51 KikaRz        what is the Junja key?
21:53 octacian      hello garywhite. wow that took me a long time to respond xD
21:56 garywhite     You're on MT Central right?
22:01 MinetestBot   02[git] 04lhofhansl -> 03minetest/minetest: Don't use reduced vertical limits for mapblock send and generation 1345eab34 https://git.io/vX0Bq (152016-11-07T21:55:17Z)
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22:08 KikaRz        When are translations applied?
22:27 FallingBugs   paramat: i've checked 4746 on seed with lots of floating islands (screenshots above), looks nice from the ground
22:29 paramat       yeah it's a good change
22:37 FallingBugs   paramat: if i set v_range 500, will it load everything up to 500?
22:40 paramat       no, send and generate distances are 10 and 6 blocks
22:41 FallingBugs   ok
22:41 paramat       you can change those in .conf or settings
22:41 octacian      garywhite, yes I am. And FYI, I'm not really here right now. Will be in about an hour though.
22:41 FallingBugs   ahhh
22:42 FallingBugs   that part of the mountain above mapblock 10
22:43 FallingBugs   https://i.imgur.com/nOGehUC.jpg
22:44 FallingBugs   bridge = cloud level
22:46 KikaRz        paramat, when will the translations be commited?
22:48 swift110      I just put minetest on my android tablet
22:48 paramat       erm i think they're added once a month
22:49 paramat       maybe not, last additions 30 Aug
22:50 paramat       feature freeze in 1 month so sometime before then
22:52 FallingBugs   paramat: do you consider lake gen in some distant future?
22:53 paramat       highland pools?
22:53 FallingBugs   yes
22:53 FallingBugs   not in a mod but officially in cpp
22:54 paramat       well any mapgen with sloping rivers can sometimes create them
22:54 FallingBugs   i seen crater-like with central mound
22:54 paramat       and yes i'm trying to create highland lakes in my core mapgen experiments
22:54 FallingBugs   too heavy on cpu?
22:55 paramat       no, just difficult to think up a good method
22:56 paramat       one way is to have 2 intersecting river systems, the junctions tend to create lakes
22:56 paramat       however these lakes slope with the rivers
22:57 paramat       creating a level lake is very difficult
22:57 FallingBugs   lake schematics? %)
22:58 paramat       heh no, has to be done with perlin noises
23:00 paramat       i tried to create level lakes a few times, it drove me nuts
23:00 paramat       but if i can i will
23:02 FallingBugs   i'm waiting for bushes to see how they change general look
23:04 FallingBugs   sometimes I see this: https://i.imgur.com/eScBN5h.jpg
23:04 FallingBugs   probably neigbour mapblock is not loaded
23:06 FallingBugs   neighbour*
23:07 fireglow      can I homehow display the boundaries of a mapblock?
23:08 FallingBugs   probably with a mod?
23:08 FallingBugs   i was requesting the same, as in MC
23:09 fireglow      mmm
23:09 octacian      paramat, I"m having an issue with oregen in the mod that I'm currently working on, moreglass (github.com/octacian/moreglass). for some reason, I cannot find the tungsten ore registered in lightbulb.lua. However, silver generates fine. Since your the mapgen genius, could you give me a hand?
23:14 paramat       looking
23:14 octacian      thx
23:18 paramat       ah: "ore = BASENAME..":mineral_silver"," in tungsten ore def
23:19 octacian      >_<
23:19 octacian      thx
23:20 octacian      I absolutely suck at mapgen, but I didn't think I was that bad lol
23:23 FallingBugs   every time I enter snow biome I have flashback of RBA fixing crap rendering, rip
23:26 FallingBugs   do we have ice melting via lava or torch?
23:27 FallingBugs   time to see
23:28 garywhite     Hey octacian do you have a server?