Time Nick Message 00:05 Fixer_ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN363k6nIUQ 00:05 Fixer_ lol, so drama 00:40 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kahrl -> 03minetest/minetest: gettext.h: include before defining the gettext macro (#4452) 13cafa400 https://git.io/v6MH3 (152016-08-21T02:40:23+02:00) 01:01 prrmypx who will save minetest 01:01 prrmypx and Rewrite It In Rust? 02:03 XeonSquared *cue religious war* 02:11 Chinchou That's the fifth one this week. 02:29 DonBatman No religious war. Minetest is secular 02:51 nolsen Excuse me, but I like to interject for a moment... 02:51 nolsen What you are refering to "Minetest", is actually GNU/Minetest. 04:31 segfault22 I tried to set-up the machine that I will be using for my server 04:31 segfault22 There are a few problems though,... 04:34 segfault22 since the builtin graphics processor is pretty much dead, it fails to render the interface properly and I can't tell what I am doing. Some parts of the OS install process appear fine, because they use software rendering, but once it gets to the last part the whole screen becomes illegible 04:34 segfault22 I don't know what boot-option to use that will force software rendering, which is fine since it will be command-line-only version of ubuntu-server with only the stuff I need to run minetest-server and a few basic tools 04:35 segfault22 er, it is fine to use software rendering, but since I don't have a boot option to force it, I can't get there. And, it appears the RAID card is not being detected or there is some problem within it,... 04:37 segfault22 does anyone know where I could get a really cheap grafix card? like from surplus or from an older system - it doesn't even need to handle 1GB video-memory, just about anything will do as long as it has a VGA output 04:38 swift110-phone hmm 04:38 segfault22 I tried searching the internet but everything is either too expensive or has that dumb DMS-59 connector that requires an adapter which "they" sell for as much or more than the card itself 04:38 swift110-phone gt 610 04:39 swift110-phone gtx 750 ti 04:39 segfault22 my budget is about $5 or $8 (not sure yet) 04:40 segfault22 thrift store "this one (computer) doesn't work, it's on discount" section maybe? 04:42 segfault22 I would love to use the gt 610 or gtx 750, if I could get it for $5 but that's not possible until it becomes so outdated that standard video memory is measured in TB 04:43 segfault22 and standard hard drive storage measured in PB 04:45 nolbby I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Minetest, is in fact, GNU/Minetest, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Minetest. Minetest is not a game unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU games made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital OpenGL components comprising a full Game as defined by OpenGL. Many computer 04:45 nolbby users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. 04:45 nolbby er 04:45 nolbby dammit 04:47 swift110-phone lol 04:47 swift110-phone how long you been using minetest 04:51 segfault22 Minetest is still Minetest without GNU; we design the software/code around a structured concept, said concept defining how the game works on the inside and how it is used by the users. We could hire a bunch of hackers to build the whole software system, including a new programming language, and make the entire system proprietary if we wanted, and it would still be minetest, so long as it implements the same interfaces and is used the same by the use 04:51 segfault22 r. 04:52 segfault22 it wouldn't be nise to make it closed-source, but it would still be Minetest. 04:52 segfault22 nice 04:53 segfault22 this is why you can play Minetest on a rinky-dink android-fone, on the same server as someone who's playing Minetest on a Dell laptop at school through tor with a bridge. 04:54 segfault22 the code system has to be almost entirely different, but the interface is the same because it is entirely an extension of... the underlying structured concept 04:56 nolbby segfault22: I just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as GNU, is in fact, GNU/GNU, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus GNU. 04:57 segfault22 I wasn't talking about the code base. So it is GNU 04:57 nolbby You don't get the joke. 04:57 segfault22 it's not funny 04:57 nolbby Actually, it is. 04:58 nolbby In your opinion, it isn't :3 04:58 segfault22 why tf can't I find a grafix-card on eBay for $5 or less that has a VGA port 04:59 segfault22 my monitor doesn't have a DVI port or HDMI port 05:00 segfault22 why doesn't eBay let you specify shipping price for search results 05:01 segfault22 why this, why that, why wiffle-ball-bat 05:03 segfault22 Dell grafix card, 16MB price: $5 shipping: $67 05:03 segfault22 ./nope 05:05 segfault22 eBay should automatically reject sellers' posting items for whic hthe shipping is higher than the price of the item, except for bulk materials that are cheap or anything else not having a relatively high value-density relative to, say, clay for example 05:07 segfault22 I hate seeing that ugly DMS-59 connector, I will never buy anything with that ugly thing on it 05:21 segfault22 How can I force software-rendering via a boot option, for a basic command-line-only ubuntu/ubuntu-server installation? 05:23 segfault22 Is there even such an option? I know it's possible, and this would afford me to avoid buying a graphics card to replace the failing builtin-grafix-chip insert-stupid-brandname-here-(tm) super-9000-X-plutonium-edition 05:35 swift110-phone hmm 05:47 segfault22 I'm kinda sorry I insulted all smart-phone users by calling it a "rinky-dink-fone",... 05:48 segfault22 but not really because that flash-storage chip is gonna fail so badly after just a few years of usage, it's not even funny 05:48 segfault22 everspin FTW 05:51 Hirato I guess the flash storage had a..... segfault! yeaaaaaaaaaaah! 05:51 segfault22 xD 05:51 Hirato I don't think minetest has a software renderer, if you're on Loonix, you can probably force llvmpipe and friends 05:52 segfault22 that actually is funny; that was the most funny thing that entered my mind all day 05:52 segfault22 I'm not going to be software-rendering the game, just a ubuntu-Server to run the minetest-Server and a few bash scripts 05:53 Hirato do you really need a GUI for that? 05:53 segfault22 Only as fas as a CLI is a "GUI" 05:56 segfault22 I wish there was a boot-option to force software-rendering mode and bypass the "vid-e-0 chip of doom 9000" entirely without "just" getting an el-cheapo bargin'-grafix-card to replace it 06:09 agaran segfault22: is there 'expert install' mode? 06:10 segfault22 yes 06:10 segfault22 but I'm no expert yet,... 06:10 agaran but as far as I remember expert install was textmode, at least in debian 06:10 agaran I never use normal.. 06:12 agaran but I use debian 06:13 segfault22 cool; but for some reason at the end it still tries to use the builtin grafix chip, and the screen is black and flashes white for a few seconds every few seconds; there is some kind of error message but it flashes so fast that I can't read it (it's on the edge of the white-screen, and it's like it's moving past really fast, so you can only see it when it goes from white to black) 06:14 segfault22 either I have to find a grafix card for < or = $5 including shipping, or add an unknown boot option to force software rendering "anyways because-I-said-so-thats-why"-style 06:15 agaran if it is ubuntu installer what flashes then you should be able to do that indeed, or enforce any other low-graphic mode 06:16 segfault22 I don't have access to any list of boot options which includes an entry for software rendering mode 06:17 agaran so it is machine bios what has problem.. you are sure that addon gfx is properly seated? usually onboard gpu gets disabled when you place addon gfx 06:18 segfault22 I don't /have/ a graphics card yet 06:18 segfault22 sorry 06:18 agaran ah.. so you can't enter to bios? 06:19 agaran it is desktop dell right? 06:19 Calinou gtx 750 ti 06:20 Calinou I find it weird how AAA gamers can afford GTX 1070s or 1080s 06:20 Calinou whereas some open source gamers can barely afford a GT 610 ._. 06:21 segfault22 It is a dell,... I don't think the GPU is totally dead, or the BIOS is using software rendering, because I can enter the BIOS, go to boot menu, select the USB-flashdrive, try to install, and get to the last part (where it transitions to some other mode, before finally installing) before the graphics goes crazy 06:21 segfault22 I can only afford a $5 graphics card, and that's using survey-money... 06:21 agaran ah, got ya, then put that pendrive to other machine where you have already linux and look if there is isolinux.cfg or like 06:22 agaran or it has grub installed? 06:22 agaran it seems to be problem with bootloader there, not even installer.. 06:22 segfault22 The usb drive is the minimal ubuntu install image (~52MB) 06:23 agaran so it has grub/isolinux or like 06:23 segfault22 It should; why? 06:24 agaran because days when kernel could be loaded by writing it directly from sector zero of drive are long gone.. 06:24 segfault22 okay 06:25 agaran bios can only execute common routines, that is bootloader, which is supposed to load operating system them switch control to it.. it is rather complex process even if seems short and easy 06:27 segfault22 Okay, I should probably clarify - the installation doesn't get a chance to try to boot, I'm pretty sure it doesn't even finish installing. The problem happens somewhere between the last part of the installation and the "done, time to reboot" screen... The bios is switching control properly, so the problem it probably not in the bios 06:28 agaran but installer is booting and doing something? 06:30 segfault22 Yes, I get to the point where it's supposed to be writing partition changes to the disk, and it appears to do that fine; then it proceeds with the rest of the installation, and it cuts out somewhere between there and the "done" screen 06:31 agaran well I never used ubuntu.. I am fine with debian.. but repartitioning is very early part of install, before anything gets installed on drive in debian. 06:31 segfault22 I haven't tried it without this new SATA RAID card, though,... maybe that was the problem, even though it didn't detect it as a drive (and I thought it was ignoring it - main drive is 120GB at "sdb", RAID drives are 160GB and not mounted) 06:32 agaran I'd try to remove and try again.. 06:32 segfault22 the BIOS says the third PCI slot is populated with a device "mass storage", but that's all it says about that 06:32 agaran bios has own perspective, booted installer own.. they might not always match.. 06:33 segfault22 I have to wait until tomorrow, then, because everyone else in the house is asleep, and the server system has a hotwired fan (onboard fan controller failed) that is really loud 06:34 agaran I see 06:34 agaran if it does stop before writing parition table changes on any 'press button' then you can try alt-ctrl-f1 to f8 to see if there is textmode messages console 06:34 agaran and see whats there.. there maybe some clue 06:35 segfault22 Thank you for trying to help me with this,... your feedback has been very beneficial even if I haven't solved the "main" problem yet, and you should then be partly responsible for my server coming online some-day sooner than some later date 06:35 segfault22 thank you, I didn't know about the console thing being accessible via alt-ctrl-f(n) 06:36 agaran it maybe not exactly console, just plaintext vt with debugging output.. 06:36 agaran still it may has some info 06:36 segfault22 okay, cool 06:37 segfault22 I will try to install without the SATA RAID card, and if it still fails, I will try to look at the debug output. If it is successful, then I will turn it off, put the card in, and boot it again and start the process of solving the next problem 06:38 agaran I would try installing debian simply 06:39 agaran textmode install with expert mode is not really that hard.. 06:39 segfault22 okay 06:39 agaran and it does not touch gpu at all using plaintext 80x25 console 06:39 agaran we are using that when installing over serial even.. 06:39 agaran or via video redirection/kvm 06:40 segfault22 cool,.. by textmode do you mean the resulting installed OS will boot and load a command-line-interface without window manager and "all of that stuff"? or does that have to be configured 06:41 agaran yep 06:41 segfault22 okay, good 06:41 agaran you can install no X support as well 06:41 agaran but whole installation process is done in textmode.. so even 200% borkbork broken gpu can handle that if can handle bios displaying 06:42 agaran I usually do that, install ssh then configuration is done after initial install with ssh connection.. too lazy to change seats.. 06:43 segfault22 good, that is exactly what I need. Then I can just put the minetest-server in the system, some bash scripts for tasks like regular backups and resource overload detection, and other misc stuff that may be needed 06:43 agaran yep.. 07:00 segfault22 maybe I should work on my mod some more,... 07:02 swift110-phone what mod is it 07:03 segfault22 resources mod, or just "res" 07:03 segfault22 it's not officially released yet, but it's on github 07:03 segfault22 I'm rewriting it entirely so the code there is old 07:04 IhrFussel Okay so now I disabled all mods (except default ones), disabled other scripts running on the server and even recompiled the game...and no matter what players experience server lag spikes 07:04 swift110-phone oh ok 07:05 segfault22 Maybe it's your ISP throttling the connection, faulty DSLAM on the line, or your router is overheating, or a bird is pecking the optical converter box down the street 07:05 IhrFussel segfault22, it's a V Server c onnection is 1gbit/s I can do a speed test one sec 07:07 segfault22 Is a home ADSL connection not sufficient for a server? like 25Mb/s download-side 07:07 segfault22 because that's what I'm going to use 07:07 IhrFussel It should... I just downloaded 1 GB 62,9MB/s in 27s 07:10 IhrFussel segfault22, a few months ago I ran a MT server on my home PC with ADSL 16mbit/s and 15 players online...there was barely any lag 07:10 segfault22 Cool 07:11 segfault22 That is good news, since I don't expect nearly that many players 07:11 IhrFussel But you should look at the conf file...limit the block sends per client and total block sends and max packets per iteration 07:16 IhrFussel My lags seem to be caused by CPU Usage...it was at 40% for Minetest and a lag happened 07:16 agaran IhrFussel: thats why I guess if there any chance that other instance of server on same physical machine causes cpu congestion and causes lag.. 07:17 IhrFussel agaran, hey =) well I only run one instance and the CPU Usage is only at 40% or more for a second maybe..after that it goes down to 10% 07:18 agaran IhrFussel: I mean other vps on same physical machine.. you said it is vserver 07:18 agaran and some providers do cpu overbooking too.. 07:19 IhrFussel Oh...no it shows the % in top I don't think it shows the usage of other users on the vserver network 07:19 agaran it does not 07:19 agaran you have pie called cpu, you get slice of it not full.. 07:19 agaran as long your slice is big, and minetest eats only part of that slice it works well 07:20 agaran but if other things in other vservers on same cpu get bigger slices, your gets thinner 07:20 IhrFussel AFAIK the full server has 10 cores and 2 are mine plus 2 GB RAM guaranteed..upt to 4GB (depending on others) 07:20 agaran top shows relative usage to 100% of cpu you see, but does not show if max lowers 07:20 agaran hmm memory balooning can be slow too 07:21 agaran also top shows % to summed up cpus, so 40% mean one loaded to 80%.. 07:22 IhrFussel It's not the RAM it says minetest uses 15% memory right now and CPU is between 5 and 10 % ... but sometimes it suddenly spikes to 30 or 40 and causes a lag I guess 07:23 swift110-phone wow 07:23 IhrFussel It must be something that only happens in certain situations since it's no constant lag 07:25 IhrFussel My bash scripts use 0.1% CPU those cannot be the reason 07:25 agaran na, thats unlikely 07:26 IhrFussel But it has to be something that only happens after certain time periods...but not related to mods 07:26 agaran but see 40% usage of cpu is average integrated over 1 s.. or maybe 10s.. peak usage could be higher, thinking how to detect this 07:27 agaran hmm.. do you run minetest on default nice level or not? 07:27 IhrFussel I would say it HAS to be part of minetest since top only says Minetest uses 40% sometimes...all other processes use less than 5% 07:28 IhrFussel I run it as normal nice level 07:29 agaran cat /proc/$(pidof minetestserver)/sched 07:29 agaran what does this say? 07:30 IhrFussel Gives a long list, any important value? 07:30 agaran se.sum_exec_runtime : 44998.587493 07:31 segfault22 minetest-game is so bloated I'm going to have to spend a long time gutting it before I can get it "right" for my server 07:31 IhrFussel e.sum_exec_runtime: 2626.646274 07:31 agaran you restarted recently? 07:32 IhrFussel Yeah I recompiled it about 10 hours ago 07:32 agaran still not big value then.. 07:32 agaran mine has about 3days uptime and no user there.. 07:32 IhrFussel Or wait 07:33 IhrFussel 2016-08-20 22:50:15: [Main]: Using world specified by --worldname on the command line 07:33 IhrFussel Now it's 2016-08-21 09:33 07:34 agaran hmm so indeed like 10h, I'd try nice level to -10 then 07:35 IhrFussel This error messages looks weird "2016-08-20 21:47:08: ERROR[Server]: /home/minetest/minetest/src/server.cpp:73: virtual void* ServerThread::run(): A fatal error occured: Failed to save block: disk I/O error" 07:36 agaran this look scary 07:36 agaran look in 'dmesg' output for any IO errors reported? 07:38 IhrFussel Nope last error in dmesg was Aug 6 OOM-Killer 07:39 agaran oh, OOM mean somethng got very mem hungry.. 07:39 agaran was it minetest? 07:39 IhrFussel Nope it says bash and a few of them were script bugs that should be solved now 07:40 agaran how did you manage to get bash eat that much mem?:) 07:40 segfault22 by using it to start minetest, possibly? 07:40 IhrFussel For example by forgetting to end a loop and loop the script instead again and again xD 07:40 segfault22 oh yeah, or that 07:42 IhrFussel Maybe the v server needs a reboot? I didn't do one since I got it..uptime is 105 days 07:42 agaran my vps has.. 09:41:22 up 538 days, 22:00, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05 07:43 agaran I'd try to figure out why minetest got IO error for a first.. that is ODD 07:45 agaran because if io would occur on hdd level, you would have it in dmesg.. 07:50 IhrFussel Lol is Krock on my server? At least someone named as him 07:51 IhrFussel 2016-08-21 09:51:36: WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 295ms (longer than 200ms) 07:52 agaran that means lot of ABM.. 07:52 agaran like growing saplings, and whatever else you have enabled now 07:54 IhrFussel THAT must be the reason 07:54 IhrFussel 2016-08-21 09:16:16: WARNING[Server]: active block modifiers took 597ms (longer than 200ms) 07:54 agaran but then finding what ABMs they are may be more problematic.. 07:57 IhrFussel There is no way to remove all ABMs right? 07:58 agaran then many things will not wrok at all 07:59 agaran for trees and such you can make interval bigger, as it will not ruin things too much, not sure what else mod on your server uses abm 07:59 segfault22 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CSjj1hcUkAAOMuC.jpg 08:00 Krock IhrFussel, your server has some broken skins 08:01 segfault22 okay I gotta go now; thank y'all for giving me feedback and helping with dealing with my server system's problems 08:01 segfault22 we need a central skins server so players can upload their skin to "the site" and use it on any server 08:42 shamoanjac and it should be referred to as The Site 08:51 Chinchou Site 67 08:54 swift110-phone h 08:56 swift110-phone ok 08:58 Nosrick Morning folks 09:03 agaran Hello 09:04 shamoanjac yo 09:07 shamoanjac /mode +b * 09:07 shamoanjac oops 09:16 Nosrick I'm thinking about writing some sort of books API for modders, so they can include instruction manuals with their mods. 09:20 namach anyone familiar with HV Warper/Receiver? 09:21 namach question: why 2 batboxes (each 1200000 power, total 2400000 power) cannot power an HV Warper (requires 1900000 power) 09:30 Nosrick Hey shamoanjac, did you get a chance to fuck around with my mod? 09:39 shamoanjac not yet 09:39 shamoanjac I was very tired yesterday 09:41 Nosrick I forgive you. 09:41 shamoanjac reee dependencies 09:41 Nosrick How're your mods coming along? 09:41 Nosrick Yeah, it has a lot. 09:41 shamoanjac well I am adding faction chests + doors 09:42 Nosrick Nice. 09:42 Nosrick I've tried to make as many soft dependencies as possible, but there are two hard dependencies. 09:59 shamoanjac I think I'll test your mod when I get home then 09:59 shamoanjac my laptop is a mess 09:59 shamoanjac more mods will just kill my /home/ 10:00 shamoanjac tho wait 10:00 shamoanjac nvm I'm saying dumb stuff 10:12 shamoanjac Nosrick, where can I find the playereffects mod? 10:14 Nosrick https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9689 10:14 Nosrick shamoanjac, ^ 10:16 shamoanjac thanks 10:23 shamoanjac Nosrick, your mod tries to open api/extensions/PlayerEffects.lua 10:23 shamoanjac yet the file is api/extensions/playereffects.lua 10:23 Nosrick Woops! 10:26 Nosrick Fixed it, will be in the next push. 10:26 agaran IhrFussel: about? 10:28 agaran does chat in minetest have ability to mute people you don't want to hear? 10:30 shamoanjac it needs it badly 10:30 agaran tell me more.. 10:30 shamoanjac I think the IRC mod has /ignore, but I'm not sure 11:40 Krock agaran, http://i.imgur.com/myZ8u0P.png something built in a few hours after joining the server the first time :3 11:42 agaran Krock: looks nice, I just dug down.. then settled when I found first lava lake 11:42 Krock uh nice 11:43 agaran I am there for maybe 2 days so not much build.. 11:51 agaran Krock: so there nobody actually digs stuff all request items from bot or moderators? 11:51 Krock I think so yes :( 11:51 Krock and the lucky blocks give you everything important 11:52 agaran meh, so my effort to make all by digging.. kinda pointless 12:12 resident anyone wanna play survival? 12:13 resident very bored 12:13 resident don't wanna play alone 12:14 resident don't wanna play on public servers either because too much stuff already built 12:14 Fixer go to @test@ 12:17 resident how is that a server without stuff already built 12:24 IhrFussel agaran, no players only get SOME item types via command or from moderators..in the past players could request anything via !need ITEMNAME AMOUNT but I restricted it now a lot...only basic nodes work anymore like dirt,wood,stone etc 12:25 agaran IhrFussel: ah, I see, I never used it so far :) 12:25 IhrFussel And lucky blocks rarely drop something special like a diamondblock or goldblock 12:26 agaran saw them existing but.. 12:26 IhrFussel If you feel like a certain item drops too often you can tell me and I will reduce its frequency or remove it completely, no problem 12:27 agaran I never got lucky blocks yet so.. 12:27 IhrFussel You can get them via "LB" in chat no / 12:28 agaran didn't knew that :) 12:28 IhrFussel I already restricted the command..before players could get 30 lucky blocks per 3 minutes now 25 per 5 minutes 12:29 agaran hmm, I still have creative so I can look at them easilly.. 12:29 IhrFussel Yes creative players are only moderators + a few I trust a lot 12:30 agaran well aside of LB testing I don't need it really, I can dig my own hole ;) 12:31 IhrFussel The other players need to type LB or if they want more spend steel ingots..those are the money on my server 12:31 agaran not slimmy mudhole, rather warm one.. I found lava lake nearby 12:32 IhrFussel Haha :D Every player can get 50 steel ingots per 6 hours...they can spend them in shops at the cities (!locations) 12:32 IhrFussel To go to a city simply type it's name like LB without / 12:33 agaran heh.. I never saw any of them.. I made pick out of wood.. dug stone.. then dug iron and it went from that 12:34 IhrFussel You don't have to buy items...it's just the "lazy" way but since players only have X steel ingots they need to think about what they need next 12:35 agaran heh.. 12:36 IhrFussel All the cities you see with !locations are created by players...and any player can request to add their city to the list 12:36 resident let me know if anyone wants to play survival 12:37 agaran hmm I put LB and sometking killed me.. 12:38 IhrFussel My server was an attempt to combine various play styles in one...PvE, PvP, lucky blocks and building 12:38 IhrFussel Maybe an explosion? 12:39 agaran could be, is that possible result of lucky block? 12:39 IhrFussel Yes..lucky blocks have troll blocks that explode after 1 sec 12:41 agaran heh it dropped blue sheep 12:41 agaran and red 12:45 IhrFussel Well either the player is lucky...or not so lucky :D That makes lucky blocks also kinda a risk 12:45 agaran yep, I get idea, but what is use of rails? 12:47 IhrFussel Rails? 12:47 agaran like for carts 12:47 IhrFussel Oh the server has carts type !carts 12:49 IhrFussel They are sometimes a bit buggy and get stuck mid-air or inside a wall...but most of the time they work just fine 12:51 agaran so far from usefull things, gold block, some bronze tools, wodden armor 12:55 IhrFussel agaran, the blue ones are useless (in case you didn't figure out yet xD) 12:55 agaran I havent tried them, so far trying to utilize 99 LB and not die too much 12:56 IhrFussel Is the LBA still usable? 12:56 agaran looks more like crater region but still workable 12:57 IhrFussel Lol usually a moderator cleans it up every few hours...I wonder where they are 12:58 IhrFussel So do you want me to revoke the creative priv? 12:58 agaran I don't need them so your call :) 12:59 IhrFussel Okay then let me know if you need it again 12:59 agaran sure, 13:00 IhrFussel Is the lag okay right now? 13:00 agaran 2.41 but workable LB sometimes open with delay but I guess it is just code in them 13:01 IhrFussel Oh yes some "chances" have a delay built-in for some reason 13:02 IhrFussel Maybe to increase the surprise-effect haha 13:03 agaran heh, saw something looking like nyan cat then it exploded 13:03 IhrFussel That is a troll block...I had quite a few players complaining about that before 13:06 IhrFussel Server spits out every 5 - 10 minutes "active block modifiers took too long" 13:06 agaran quite often 13:07 IhrFussel But it got a bit better..before the restart it took up to 700ms...now the maximum is 400ms 13:08 IhrFussel So since it's the ABMs I think all the mods that use them add up to the lag 13:09 agaran yup, 13:10 IhrFussel My mods contain "register_abm" 23 times... 13:11 IhrFussel So...only solution is edit each mod file and increase the interval? 13:11 agaran hmm, yes probably, also I think it more matters how many blocks like that are affected than how many abms is there 13:19 IhrFussel agaran, but what I edit now will only affect the ABM cycles NOW..what about the older ones that were registered in the past? Or does the game remove older ones? 13:19 agaran they are evaluated when mod loads so they will affect objects in world too afaik as defintions come from mod, else you would not have unknown blocks after disabling mod 13:20 IhrFussel Hmm but does disabling a mod also disable all ABMs it registered? 13:20 agaran yes 13:25 agaran well, so far LB provided lots of shovels.. 13:26 agaran lava orb 13:28 IhrFussel Well I'll try to edit those now...and yes lavaorbs are useless right now...I thought about adding lavaorb-tools but I have no textures :/ 13:28 agaran they look nice at least in inventory 13:29 IhrFussel That's true the textures of them are nice 13:32 agrecascino i fucked up my install of opensuse 13:32 agrecascino and are perpretually running out of disk space 13:32 agrecascino fuck btrfs 13:35 agaran IhrFussel: you are trying to reduce abm load so I guess restart will be happening? 13:35 IhrFussel agaran, understanding ABMs is not so easy..so should I focus on ABMs with very low intervals? 13:36 IhrFussel Yeah after I edited the ABMs I will do a restart 13:36 agaran I think more on abms that have both not-so-big interval/chance and lots of blocks 13:38 Fixer holy shit tumblr is taking my core i3 3.3 Ghz to eats knees 13:38 IhrFussel Is 15 for interval? 13:38 IhrFussel low* 13:38 agaran if not many block then not, if for default:cobble.. then killer 13:39 IhrFussel Itemframes 13:39 agaran too bad you can't at runtime peek how many kicks of particular abm was scored.. 13:39 agaran hmm never knew it has any abm.. nor never used itemframe.. 13:40 agaran what mod it is? 13:40 IhrFussel itemframes 13:40 agaran git sourced or else? I need to dl it to see code.. 13:40 Fixer agaran: you can 13:41 agaran Fixer: how? 13:41 Fixer agaran: new mod profiler, it has reset and save cmds 13:41 IhrFussel https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=5600 13:42 agaran Fixer: only in dev? 13:42 Fixer agaran: yes 13:42 Fixer agaran: before that you need to label your abm of course 13:42 agaran I am fine with labeling abm too, just need an way for 0.4.14 13:43 Fixer agaran: win or lin? 13:43 agaran linux of course.. 13:43 Fixer you can compile a binary yourself, it should not be that hard 13:44 Fixer it is much harder to do in win then in linux 13:44 Fixer than* 13:44 agaran ... I know, I want avoid recompiling.. 13:44 agaran I have way too many self compiled things to keep up.. 13:46 agaran IhrFussel: if your entity removal time is >15 then you may be fine with increasing interval a bit... 13:47 IhrFussel Entity removal time? Not sure what you mean 13:48 agaran if you drop item it gets removed after some time.. 13:48 agaran I think pedestals are affected by this time.. 13:48 IhrFussel Oh I set that to 120 13:48 agaran i mean item made by them is removed after a while and they create it again.. so imo try increasing that to 30-45 13:49 IhrFussel Does change = 1 mean it will always fire? 13:49 IhrFussel chance* 13:49 agaran Krock: how you are supposed to wear armor in that 2x3 place to make it look correctly on person? 13:49 agaran IhrFussel: yes 13:50 Krock agaran, that's not possible. the shield will always be hidden by the leggins 13:50 agaran Krock: ah.. ok so not my fault 13:51 IhrFussel agaran, the homedecor mod has some ABMs that fire every 1-2 seconds 13:51 agaran but that also depends what they do.. 13:52 IhrFussel For example coffee maker sound...I will increase that interval a bit 13:54 IhrFussel Wait so higher chance means less likely to fire?? 13:54 agaran yes 13:54 IhrFussel That is confusing 13:54 Krock IhrFussel, the chance acts like a multiplicator of "interval". It makes the stuff random 13:54 IhrFussel Krock, yes but usually one would think a chance of 1 is of course less likely than a chance of 2 13:55 resident anyone wanna play survival now 13:55 Megaf !server Megaf 13:55 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms 13:56 Megaf MinetestBot: you've been very unresponsive latelly 13:56 Megaf Hi all 13:56 Megaf !kick MinetestBot 13:56 Megaf sfan5: ^ 13:56 resident does minetest has a github repo 13:56 Megaf hello MinetestBot 13:56 MinetestBot Hey Megaf! 13:56 Megaf he is not working anymore 13:56 agaran hi Megaf, how goes? 13:56 Megaf resident: yep 13:57 Megaf resident: github.com/minetest/minetest 13:57 Megaf resident: github.com/minetest/minetest_game 13:57 Megaf both 13:57 Megaf agaran: I'm doing well, working out right now :) 13:57 Megaf IRCing in the intervals beetween sets 14:02 Megaf working out with Daft Punk as soundtrack, that's cool 14:08 Krock IhrFussel, would you please be so nice and fix that "Tada" sound volume when someone leveled up? 14:13 IhrFussel Krock, too loud? I always use headphones maybe it's louder via speakers 14:14 Krock IhrFussel, it's about two times as loud as the digging and sent to everybody on the server 14:14 Krock I think this notification is only relevant for the player 14:14 Krock ..who leveled up 14:15 IhrFussel Krock, well no it is meant as a sound for everyone...you can disable the login/logout and levelup sounds with !off ... I can reduce the volume though 14:16 Krock thanks god for !off 14:17 Fixer_ Krock: NSA safe :trollface: oh wait 14:18 IhrFussel agaran, I increased all interval 1 to interval 2 and some others even more 14:19 Krock also, filled a whole chest with steel and bronze pickaxes... I won't have ever trouble with mining 14:19 IhrFussel Made the sound 25% lower 14:19 Krock :D 14:19 agaran I got more shovels than pickaxes.. 14:19 IhrFussel Krock, do you think increasing the ABM intervals via minetest.conf helps too with lag? 14:20 * Megaf how long will that server last 14:20 Megaf wonder* 14:20 Krock it would delay the lag 14:20 IhrFussel That's not what I want...I'd like to eliminate it 14:21 Fixer_ "videogames don't make us violent, lag does" 14:21 Krock lol 14:21 * Megaf agrees 14:21 Megaf !server Fussel 14:21 MinetestBot Megaf: IhrFussel's Server | 81.169.215.250:25000 | Clients: 21/35, 13/28 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 16ms 14:21 Krock IhrFussel, nothing against lag problem but you sohuld increase the lucky blocks delay 14:21 Megaf 21 players :S 14:22 Krock got over two stacks of them now and filled all my chests (even with skipping the armor) 14:23 IhrFussel Oh you mean the cooldown for the command? 14:23 agaran and perhaps reduce amount of them you get.. 14:24 Krock yes, the colldown time 14:25 Krock and the area is somewhat nuked 14:25 IhrFussel Changed from 25 every 5 minutes to 20 every 8 minutes 14:25 Nosrick Quick question: why would my HUD (both text and hudbars) overlap each other instead of updating? 14:25 Krock mhm okay 14:26 IhrFussel If no moderator joins I'll have to clean that 14:30 IhrFussel Nosrick, did you use the change HUD function? 14:30 Nosrick I did. 14:30 Nosrick But it's suddenly like it's doing an add, instead of an update. 14:35 Nosrick It's doing it with both hudbars and vanilla HUD. 14:43 Nosrick Turns out I was calling hud_add twice. I'm dumb. 15:05 Nosrick Why does my formspec suddenly stop receiving fields once I've pushed a button? 15:05 Nosrick When I push a button, then push a second button nothing happens. 15:07 Fixer_ what crap is this? https://i.imgur.com/KuUW3fk.png 15:08 Nosrick Woah, spambots. 15:10 Krock random namegen 15:11 Krock and broken encoding 15:16 Nosrick All of my formspecs have stopped updating. 15:17 Nosrick After the first button press/inventory move, the form stops updating completely. 15:28 Nosrick So I've got them updating, but how do you get the player of a formspec that is shown through show_formspec? 15:32 Nosrick Krock, any ideas? 15:34 Krock on button press? 15:35 Nosrick Yeah. I've got a formspec shown through show_formspec with a button on it, and when the button is pressed, apparently the sender is nil. 15:36 Krock that can't be 15:36 Nosrick Yeah, that was my exact reaction. :P 15:36 Krock check if it's the correct formname 15:38 Nosrick Yup, correct formname. 15:38 Nosrick Just no sender. 15:40 Krock you're using "minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields(function(sender, formname, fields)", right? 15:41 Nosrick Not quite. I'm going minetest.register_on_player_receive_fields(playerMirrorForm.getFields) 15:41 Nosrick Which has a header of function wizardMirrorForm.getFields(pos, formname, fields, sender) 15:41 Nosrick The parameters match the on_receive_fields function. 15:42 Krock no they don't match 15:42 Krock sender is now pos 15:42 Krock and your sender param is nil, for sure. 15:43 Nosrick Ah, I see. 15:43 Krock Lua does not care if you sorted the params in another way. the params are filled with values from left to right 15:44 Nosrick Plus I've got an extra one. 15:44 Krock yes, it will be nil. 15:45 Krock if it's bound to a position you can simply create a table with the player name as index 15:45 Nosrick Where on earth did I get pos, formname, fields, sender from? :S 15:45 Krock and set the value to the last known node pos 15:45 agrecascino does udp packet loss, cause random connection time outs? 15:46 agrecascino i have no idea why i added that comma 15:46 Krock agrecascino, yeah when the packets have a too high delay it can't really communicate well anymore 15:46 Krock Let's eat grandma! 15:46 Krock Commas save lifes 15:47 agrecascino Nosrick, i added MoMtest to my server 15:47 Nosrick Oh god 15:47 Nosrick WHY 15:47 Nosrick But thank you 15:47 agrecascino Nosrick, ? 15:48 Krock agrecascino, funny thing is that I lost like 10 packets per second and somewhen my router/wifi crashed. It didn't result in any timeouts in-game 15:48 Krock Nosrick, are you new to Lua? 15:48 Nosrick Yeah, I am. 15:48 Krock (maybe I'm asking this the 2nd time, dunno) 15:48 agrecascino mruby for minetest 2016! 15:48 Nosrick agrecascino, it's still in VERY early stages, but I'm glad someone likes it. 15:48 Nosrick You'll want to update it once I do this next push. 15:49 Krock BTW, WHY IS CAPS SOMETIMES FORBIDDEN EVEN WHEN THE KEYBOARD HAS THEM PRINTED IN CAPITALS? STUPID WORLD 15:54 Nosrick rubenwardy! 15:56 rubenwardy hi Nosrick 15:56 agrecascino do you guys think that the lua interpreter is fast enough to decode a 32 channel xm file? 16:05 agaran depends on how fast cpu you run it on? 16:19 hwittaker What is a minetest? 16:20 Void7 ? 16:20 resident bitcoin mining 16:20 resident test 16:20 resident it's a tool that determines how potent your gpu is 16:20 hwittaker Is that a joke reply or a real one? 16:20 resident real 16:21 hwittaker How can there be GPU mining of Bitcoin in 2016? 16:21 hwittaker I thought that became infeasible in 2012 or something. 16:21 hwittaker Or earlier. 16:21 xunto hwittaker: why don't you read description on website or github? 16:21 sfan5 gpu bitcoin mining was still feasible in 2013 16:21 xunto Your question is just to strange 16:21 hwittaker Okay, so you lied. 16:21 hwittaker It's Minecraft something. 16:21 xunto So it foreces us to joke 16:21 xunto hwittaker: kinda 16:22 resident kinda? 16:22 resident it's a clone 16:22 resident of minecraft 16:22 xunto I don't agree :D 16:22 Void7 what is this "node"? i'm looking at the wiki and I can't find anything 16:22 Void7 is minetest like a tree or something? 16:22 xunto Void7: lol 16:22 hwittaker How come everyone who is a great coder needs to make a Minecraft clone? I know it's a very attractive idea, but it's sort of ruined by the fact that that smug Notch guy got first. 16:22 xunto resident: so any voxel based game is minecraft clone? 16:23 xunto Minecraft wasn't even first :/ 16:23 rubenwardy blatant troll detected 16:23 resident minetest is a minecraft clone 16:23 resident this is so obvious that i can just repeat this sentence as an argument 16:23 Void7 minecraft is an infiniminer clone 16:23 xunto hwittaker: minecraft is proprietarty and lack of modding api 16:24 xunto resident: ok, I don't care. 16:24 resident wow why so passive 16:24 agaran do not feed trolls. 16:24 xunto Because it doesn't even matter. 16:24 resident true 16:25 hwittaker How come there are mods for Minecraft if it has no modding API? 16:25 xunto hwittaker: illegal decompilations 16:26 rubenwardy I wouldn't call mods for Minecraft real mods, they're patches of the source code 16:26 rubenwardy unless you use forge or whatever it's called 16:26 est31 They are "mods" in the "modification" sense 16:27 est31 not in the plugin sense that minetest has 16:28 xunto hwittaker: anyway, I like the idea I can make mintest better by my hands. Fix bugs and etc. With minecraft I have no way to do that. 16:28 kaen does anyone know how to get the node position that a player is looking at? 16:28 hwittaker Does it support VR? 16:28 est31 hwittaker, yes 16:28 hwittaker Cool. Might try it with my HTC Vive, assuming it's supported. 16:29 est31 hwittaker, there is no super native oculus support but VR as in "display two images next to each other" is supported 16:29 est31 with a custom setting 16:30 hwittaker Not sure how my Vive would make those two images into one unless the game supports it natively. 16:30 hwittaker There may be programs that hook into it or something, but that doesn't feel very solid. 16:30 xunto It supports anaglyph as VR) 16:30 sfan5 kaen: with lua? 16:30 kaen :v 16:30 kaen well yeah 16:30 kaen I mean, I know how to calculate it with the eye offset, lookdir, player position, and a intersection test. But I was hoping someone had already done that? 16:31 est31 Its called 3d_mode 16:31 sfan5 why would you want to calculate it? 16:31 kaen I don't really want to calculate it, I just want to know it 16:31 kaen for a helper function for extracting schematics. 16:32 est31 hwittaker, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L536-L545 16:32 est31 see that link 16:32 sfan5 kaen: generally when callbacks fire you sometimes get a pointed_thing object which tells you what the player is pointing at 16:32 kaen this is running from a chatcommand 16:32 sfan5 not sure whether you can also fetch it just normally 16:32 kaen yeah doesn't sound like it 16:33 kaen no obvious place in the api 16:33 kaen looks like I'm writing an intersection test 16:34 sfan5 nah 16:34 sfan5 just ask the player to punch some node 16:34 sfan5 then take the coords from that 16:36 kaen that can work, is there a way to deregister a callback though? 16:37 kaen actually I can tell that answer from the methods list :P 16:37 * kaen grymbles 16:38 sfan5 just don't do anything if the player was not asked to do anything 16:38 kaen definitely 16:45 kaen google is so op, I just found a mod that does what I need already 16:57 agaran heh, thats good, right? 17:00 Nosrick agrecascino, you there? 17:00 agrecascino Nosrick, somewhat 17:01 Nosrick Update your server! 17:01 Nosrick MoMTest just got a pretty significant bug fix update. 17:23 Nosrick I think I'm going to remove Black Sleep (a spell that renders an enemy helpless) and replace it with Summon Zombie. Removing control from a player seems unfun. 17:31 agrecascino Nosrick, CTCPing you a trace 17:31 Krock2 morgan.freenode.net died? 17:32 agaran Krock: well not sure, btw, dug first mese 17:32 Krock grats. I got about 12 of them just by mining the lucky blocks :/ 17:33 Krock mese crystals or blocks' 17:33 agaran yea.. and 1 diamond by killing some fireball throwing monster in caves deep 17:33 Krock *? 17:33 agaran crystals.. too shallow for block 17:35 Nosrick agrecascino, I'm pretty sure I fixed that bug, update your MoMTest. 17:35 agrecascino Nosrick, you didn't fix it in stable 17:36 Nosrick Hm, strange. Was it with or without the mana API?? 17:37 Nosrick Shit, it could be a problem with the mana API. 17:38 Nosrick Because it's happening in a mana API call. 17:38 agaran mana api.. :) I like how it sounds 17:38 Nosrick Either that, or the value being passed in is nil, which it should never, ever be. 17:42 hisforever Hi all I'd like to know how do I craft glow blocks? 17:42 agaran torch and glass? 17:42 agaran two torches for super glow glass 17:43 hisforever ty Agaran 17:46 agaran yw 17:48 hisforever Agaran I need a white glow block for lighting? 17:49 agaran hmm mese lamp then? if you want non transparent 17:50 agaran Krock: 23 crystals.. :) 17:50 Krock grats :) 17:51 agaran thx 17:51 agaran -400 only.. 18:03 agaran Krock: there is awesome feature added.. silencer for all user-chat.. server and pms work over that.. 18:04 Krock so.. less spam? 18:04 agaran yup 18:07 agaran IhrFussel: are there chests where one may drop stuff for newbies or that does not exist? 18:09 IhrFussel agaran, You mean a public chest any player can take from? 18:09 agaran yep, so I can drop there some spare things I don't need but don't want to trash.. 18:09 agaran if there is none, no big deal.. :) 18:10 IhrFussel Feel free to make one or more and protect the areas so that they can only access the chests 18:10 IhrFussel You can do one near the spawn if you want, and even place a sign that leads player to them 18:13 agaran heh, idle-check does not count that I work on items assuming no move -> idle 18:14 IhrFussel Yes cause I didn't want to make the check too heavy 18:15 IhrFussel But it does check for chat messages so if you send one idle time is 0 18:17 agaran I see, well makes sense I think :) 18:21 nm0i Is there any mobile-friendly book mod? 18:21 agaran IhrFussel: do you maybe know how to tame animals there? 18:22 IhrFussel agaran, depends on the animal...each animal type has its own respective food to be tamed 18:22 agaran ah, this way :) 18:24 IhrFussel Yep feed it enough then it will be tamed..but it can take a while and you can't tame every animal...only cats,rabbits,sheep and chicken I think 18:24 agaran thats more than I thought :) 18:26 IhrFussel Can you check the lag for me please? 18:27 agaran naturlich, 2.39425 18:27 IhrFussel Increasing the ABM intervals didn't help... 18:28 agaran or not enough, if there is enough blocks still will be lot of abm, but did times reported in log decreased? or amount of them? 18:30 agrecascino Nosrick, if you figure it out, tell me 18:30 Nosrick I'm trying, but I can't even replicate it. Can you zip up your mods folder for me? 18:30 agrecascino sure 18:31 Nosrick Thanks! 18:31 IhrFussel agaran, No WARNING since restart but it's too early to tell 18:31 agaran IhrFussel: then lets see till tomorrow, even if lag is there but there is no warning I consider it an improvement.. 18:32 agrecascino https://0x0.st/Mu0.zip 18:32 agrecascino Nosrick, there 18:33 Nosrick Cheers, I'll see if I can replicate it with the modpack. 18:38 agaran IhrFussel: one thing I miss are elevators.. though with flying it is not as bad as would be without 18:47 IhrFussel agaran, I could probably add those later on but for now I want to stop the lagging xD I edited the default mods now and increased EVERY ABM interval x 2 18:47 agaran I know, I don't really need them much, just I have quite stairs to my place;) 18:50 agaran IhrFussel: is there index of bot commands? 18:52 IhrFussel !commands 18:56 Nosrick agrecascino, I really can't find the source of the crash. 18:56 Nosrick The only thing I can think of is that someone punched the font while it was being used, which resets the metadata. 18:56 Nosrick But that doesn't explain the stack trace... 19:03 agrecascino Nosrick, where does your mod store it's data 19:03 Nosrick In a file. 19:04 Nosrick Or, in several, rather. 19:04 Nosrick I think there's two for each player, so far. 19:04 Nosrick I couldn't get them to go into their own neat little folder, unfortunately. 19:06 agrecascino i deleted my metadata, and i caused the server the server to crash anyway 19:08 Nosrick Does it trace back to momtest? 19:08 LinuxGuy2020 Is there any way to connect to a server and download all of the installed mods, instead of having to go download them all individually if I want to create my own server? Are they copied locally anywhere when you connect to a server? 19:08 agaran you can get list of mods, but then you need to dl all manually 19:10 LinuxGuy2020 ok thanks 19:10 IhrFussel LinuxGuy2020, no you cannot simply copy server mods from the cache folder of the client AFAIK and it's good that way cause each server should have its own signature features 19:12 sofar mods are not sent from the server to the client 19:12 sofar only assets (textures, models, sounds) 19:14 agrecascino Nosrick, yes 19:15 Nosrick Damn it. Can you PM me the trace? 19:17 Nosrick It shouldn't be doing that. All of the variables should have a value. 19:17 Nosrick Wait, shit. 19:17 Nosrick I know what's happening. 19:17 Nosrick The mana API doesn't handle its metadata being deleted very well 19:18 Nosrick Disable the mana API, and it should work. 19:21 Nosrick Ah, wait! I know what it could be, now. It might not be the mana API (though it could be a problem), it might actually be the way I'm storing the mana/research/skill variables. 19:21 Nosrick Let me change it and I'll get it pushed. 19:38 agrecascino https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15388 19:47 Nosrick agrecascino, try that now. It should hopefully work. 19:49 agrecascino merge with master? 19:51 Nosrick Just made a few small changes, let me just merge again. 19:51 Nosrick There. 19:51 Nosrick Pull! 19:53 agrecascino crash 19:54 agrecascino Nosrick, sent trace 19:54 Nosrick Only seemed to get half of it 19:56 agrecascino sent all 19:57 Nosrick Cheers. 19:59 Nosrick Alright, try that. 20:00 swift110 hey guys 20:02 Nosrick Hey swift110! 20:04 Nosrick shamoanjac! 20:05 shamoanjac Nosrick, ! 20:05 Nosrick How goes your devving? 20:05 agrecascino no crash 20:06 Nosrick YES! 20:06 Nosrick I mean 20:06 Nosrick That's good. 20:06 swift110 how are you nosrick 20:06 Nosrick I'm fantastic now that I fixed that pesky crash. 20:06 Nosrick How are you? 20:06 agrecascino CANNOT MOD MANA 20:06 agrecascino CANNOT MOD MANA 20:06 Nosrick AW MAN WHAT 20:07 agrecascino no crash though 20:09 Nosrick That should be fixed, now. Pull! 20:09 shamoanjac well I haven't done anything today 20:09 agrecascino shamoanjac, sleeping? 20:09 shamoanjac I'll be back home in two days 20:09 shamoanjac no, I was out with my family 20:10 agrecascino you broke it 20:10 Nosrick Aw, damn it 20:11 resident anyone wanna play survival with me now 20:13 shamoanjac join catgirls.animebitch.es and start insulting a guy named "Xenos" and try to grief him 20:13 shamoanjac then you'll get some survival 20:13 agrecascino shamoanjac, why 20:13 agrecascino oh 20:13 agrecascino heh 20:14 shamoanjac btw Minetest has the bypass-protection-with-lag bug that Minecraft had (and probably still has) 20:14 shamoanjac so if a player makes a 1-block thin wall, it's possible to get in his house 20:14 shamoanjac provided that your latency is high enough 20:15 agaran yup noticed that already.. now building double block walls.. 20:15 agaran especially ceilings 20:16 agrecascino Nosrick, crash 20:16 Nosrick URGH 20:17 resident plaaay wiiith meeeee 20:17 resident someooooone 20:18 resident im loonellyy 20:18 resident sooo loneelllyyyyy 20:18 resident aaaaaaah 20:18 agrecascino resident, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsBC-vF0ZeU 20:19 Nosrick Oh lordy 20:20 resident thats me right now 20:24 Nosrick Please, please let it work now. 20:26 agrecascino worked 20:27 swift110 hmm 20:27 Nosrick Phew. 20:27 Nosrick Let's hope it doesn't fuck everything up. 20:30 agrecascino can someone help me with this? 20:30 agrecascino https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=15388 20:31 Nosrick I wish I knew more. I'd maybe raise an issue. 20:34 Nosrick I should play video games. I haven't played anything in weeks. 20:34 resident yes 20:34 resident play survival with me 20:34 agrecascino Nosrick, other than minetest? 20:34 Nosrick I've only tested stuff, not really played. 20:34 shamoanjac I don't play much either 20:34 agrecascino Nosrick, same 20:34 Nosrick It's been exhausting. 20:34 shamoanjac just Minetest, OpenTTD, some Quake 3 20:34 agrecascino anyone up for some UT99? 20:34 Nosrick Nice choices. 20:35 shamoanjac I don't have a proper mouse 20:35 Nosrick Same; I'm using a laptop touchpad. 20:35 thePalindrome Xonotic is a nice ut-like 20:35 shamoanjac Xonotic is pretty cool 20:35 KaadmY 'cept Xonotic has far worse performance than ut99 for me :) 20:35 shamoanjac also I used to play Sauerbraten a lot 20:35 thePalindrome Weird 20:35 KaadmY sauer is insta hell 20:35 shamoanjac yes lel 20:36 shamoanjac not that I disliked it 20:36 Nosrick agrecascino, can you still cast spells? 20:36 agrecascino Nosrick, not sure 20:36 resident where do you find minetest mods 20:36 Nosrick Forums, mostly. 20:36 thePalindrome My hard drive, after throwing it toghether :P 20:36 resident should implement a mod gallery in the game menu 20:36 Nosrick That'd be super neat. 20:37 thePalindrome I suppose, but then that defeats some of the decentralization of it all 20:37 resident what's a fun mod 20:37 thePalindrome Plus, what about off-brand clients? 20:37 Nosrick Mesecons is great. 20:38 Nosrick I'd plug my mod, but I don't have much to show for it, yet. 20:38 Nosrick But agrecascino, that absolute madman, has put it on his server anyway. 20:38 shamoanjac decentralization != no mod gallery 20:38 agrecascino i have the best domain 20:38 Void7 what? 20:38 agrecascino domains* 20:39 agrecascino yourwaifuish.it 20:39 thePalindrome I know it doesn't always mean that, but... 20:39 agrecascino animebitch.es 20:39 shamoanjac there could be a mod tracker and then you download mods via bittorrent 20:39 Void7 !server agrecascino 20:39 MinetestBot Void7: No results 20:39 Void7 !server such 20:39 MinetestBot Void7: No results 20:39 Void7 !servers 20:39 agrecascino i'm not on the server list, i think 20:39 thePalindrome The most ISPs would send copyright notices when they detect bittorrent 20:39 Nosrick You're on the dark net. 20:40 thePalindrome mainly comcast 20:40 agrecascino im not sure if 8chan counts as darknet 20:40 Nosrick (It actually does, it's not indexed by any search engine) 20:40 thePalindrome Dark, but not deep 20:40 thePalindrome By that logic my site is a dark net though :P 20:40 shamoanjac technically 20:41 thePalindrome With the exception of the main page and any search engine that doesn't obey robots.txt 20:41 shamoanjac 8chan is 99% deep web but certainly not a darknet 20:41 resident how is 8chan deep web 20:41 shamoanjac if we go by "deep web = not indexed by search engines" 20:41 resident google cripplekike 20:42 shamoanjac deep web is usually defined as being the set of webpages that are dynamically generated and not indexed 20:42 shamoanjac lots of people believe urban legends about h4x0r5 though and believe deep web = Tor network 20:43 Nosrick Tor has a hilarious reputation 20:43 thePalindrome ^ 20:43 agrecascino i2p is edgier 20:43 shamoanjac even though Tor is not a darknet and a lot of Tor websites are not deep web 20:43 shamoanjac i2p is an actual darknet iirc 20:43 * thePalindrome should offor his site as a hidden service sometime 20:46 resident i2p has more content 20:46 agrecascino tor as a darknet is cutting yourself edgy 20:47 resident tor allows me to spam imageboards 20:47 agrecascino thats edgy 20:47 resident thats fun 20:47 * thePalindrome uses tor to access the strategic intelligence network 20:47 thePalindrome anything else I don't care 20:49 shamoanjac the last time I tried i2p, it would connect to 0/0 nodes 20:49 agrecascino new thread when? 20:49 shamoanjac well I did the current one 20:49 shamoanjac not my turn 20:49 shamoanjac fam 20:49 shamoanjac tbh 20:49 Nosrick When did this place turn into 8chan? 20:50 agrecascino like 2 weeks ago 20:52 resident if this was 8chan we'd all be banned 20:53 shamoanjac this is 8chan territory now 20:53 shamoanjac s h i t p o s t 20:54 agrecascino :D :^) 20:54 thePalindrome 4chan likes to hand out bans, 8chan was everyone that got kicked out of 4chan 20:55 sfan5 what about 2ch 20:55 resident and now 8chan is infested by rulecuck mods and volunteers 20:55 agrecascino japan 20:55 agrecascino resident, fuck off /intl/ 20:55 resident im 100% goon 20:56 resident sliding /pol/ threads is the only reason i go there anymore 20:58 Nosrick /pol/ is a shitposter's paradise 20:58 resident neckbeard's paradise 20:58 shamoanjac /pol/ is pretty annoying 20:58 resident its da jewwws 20:58 shamoanjac but they're like 25% of the website's traffic so of course Jim doesn't want to lose them 20:58 resident dem nogs r the reason im a virgin 20:59 shamoanjac pretty much 20:59 shamoanjac also the nickelodeon cuckoldry conspiracy 20:59 shamoanjac Bella and the Bulls 20:59 shamoanjac we got a couple months of extra cuckposting 21:00 resident i love how /pol/ is being spammed on every imageboard now 21:02 shamoanjac serves them right for being the new /b/ 21:09 agrecascino he guys they're fucking up the mozilla logo 21:10 agrecascino hey* 21:11 shamoanjac ¿? 21:11 Nosrick Que? 21:11 agrecascino https://blog.mozilla.org/opendesign/now-for-the-fun-part/ 21:11 resident ¡! 21:12 agrecascino mozilla is dead 21:12 shamoanjac they all suck tbh 21:12 agrecascino http://8ch.net/tech/res/641576.html#641576 21:12 agrecascino they made another one 21:13 shamoanjac a new what? 21:13 resident jim is so dirty in every way imaginable 21:13 shamoanjac >Hotwheels broke infinity next with a poor captcha 21:13 agrecascino a codemonkey fix your shit thread 21:13 shamoanjac true 21:13 resident just browsing the site gives me the creeps 21:13 shamoanjac >Josh is an asshole but he sperged out because Jim was being a gigantic backstabbing shady kike 21:13 shamoanjac 200% true 21:13 shamoanjac >Jim openly does not follow 8chans privacy policy or tos 21:13 shamoanjac true 21:14 shamoanjac shit all of the greentext is true 21:14 resident josh is in the right 21:14 shamoanjac 3>8chans /tech/ Board Volunteers support the Migration as "ring" has already set up the /tech/ Board at 16chan.nl 21:14 shamoanjac time to shitpost in #/tech/ and get Yet Another Ban (tm) 21:15 shamoanjac btw is hotwheels really kill 21:15 resident 16chan is dead 21:15 shamoanjac yes 21:15 sfan5 >16chan 21:15 sfan5 wat 21:15 shamoanjac the free chans will not survive another split 21:15 agrecascino shamoanjac, finish cchan when? 21:15 shamoanjac most 8chan posters would rather just go to 4chan 21:15 shamoanjac actually, I'd like to continue on C-Chan 21:15 resident there are enough alternatives, just low traffic 21:15 shamoanjac yeah 21:15 shamoanjac that's the problem 21:16 shamoanjac no community 21:16 Nosrick All of those Mozilla logos are shit, except maybe the Moz://a one. 21:16 shamoanjac masterchan is pedo heaven 21:16 resident new pedo heaven is librechan.net 21:16 shamoanjac really? 21:16 resident yep try it 21:16 shamoanjac ok NSA 21:16 agrecascino top board is /hebe/ 21:16 Nosrick resident confirmed for FBI agent 21:16 shamoanjac at least it defaults to HTTPS 21:16 resident when 8/b/ started banning pedo boards and thread on /b/ they migrated to librechan instead of masterchan like everyone believed 21:17 agrecascino shit 21:17 shamoanjac 3>/hebe/ 21:17 shamoanjac 3>/younglove/ 21:17 shamoanjac 3>/nonude/ 21:17 shamoanjac 3>/cutegirls/ 21:17 resident if you say anything against pedo shit you get called a rulecuck lol 21:17 shamoanjac I didn't know the whole /hebe/ community had switched to there 21:18 agrecascino shamoanjac, i want to finish cchan 21:18 Nosrick I just type cloaca instead of cloak. 21:18 Nosrick Kill me. 21:18 shamoanjac to be fairly honest, the presence of legal pedos on a website are a sign of low rulecucking 21:18 agrecascino Nosrick, snek pussy 21:18 shamoanjac agrecascino, it's a mess 21:18 agrecascino shamoanjac, rewrite in c++? 21:18 * thePalindrome leaves 21:18 Nosrick You know, we're probably frightening the locals. 21:19 agrecascino migrate to ##shitpost? 21:19 shamoanjac oops right 21:19 sfan5 discuss as much as you want here 21:19 shamoanjac idk agrecascino, C-Chan is C-Chan, not Cpp-Chan 21:19 agrecascino sfan5, and call the police later? 21:19 shamoanjac the goal was to create a chan in ANSI C 21:19 sfan5 yes 21:20 sfan5 shamoanjac: have they considered rewriting it in rust? 21:20 agrecascino shamoanjac, striiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiings 21:20 agrecascino sfan5, FUCK No 21:20 shamoanjac No!!!!!!!! 21:20 shamoanjac I want K&R C 21:20 agrecascino FUC KYOUR BORROW CHECKER 21:20 agrecascino NO 21:20 agrecascino NO 21:20 agrecascino NO 21:20 shamoanjac I mean I know Rust or C++ would be better for a chan software 21:20 sfan5 just use php 21:21 frostsnow Is there wa way to get a list of items available under the '/giveme' command? I can't seem to get things like Steel Ingots, because I don't know whether to type 'steel_ingot', '"Steel Ingot"', &c. 21:21 shamoanjac but what I wanted to do was a full server by myself in C 21:21 Nosrick You best be joking, sfan5. 21:21 shamoanjac currently it serves static content just fine 21:21 sfan5 frostsnow: maybe there's a mod that lists items 21:21 sfan5 but in any case 21:21 Nosrick frostsnow, I think it's actually "default:steel_ingot" 21:21 sfan5 look into the source code of minetest_game/default/items.lua 21:21 shamoanjac frostsnow, if you check the wiki, item names are there 21:21 agrecascino install unified inventory 21:21 Nosrick You need to put the modname before it, usually. 21:22 frostsnow Nosrick: That worked, thanks. 21:22 Nosrick Welcome! 21:23 frostsnow Ah, I see, I need the modname before it. That explains why I couldn't get anything from the mods I had installed... 21:30 resident i'm just following people on servers now because noone wants to play with me 21:30 resident how sad am i 21:31 agrecascino not very 21:31 Calinou what about Sadie2492? or Sadie4601? :P 21:33 shamoanjac earlier this morning I went on a populated server 21:33 shamoanjac why do people have these nicks? 21:33 shamoanjac with four digits? 21:33 nm0i Calinou: Sadie4601 is cool dude. 21:33 nm0i Unlike other Sadies 21:33 shamoanjac is that some kind of Android name? 21:34 Calinou shamoanjac: a while ago, "Guest"'s were added in Minetest core 21:34 Calinou if you logged in with an empty username, it named you Guest**** instead 21:34 Calinou many Android forks replaced Guest with something else, such as SqueakeCrafter, Sadie, … 21:34 nm0i ...MulticraftRules.. 21:35 shamoanjac lol Calinou 21:35 shamoanjac shamoanjac9000 22:00 Megaf !server Megaf 22:00 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms 22:00 Megaf !server Calinou 22:00 MinetestBot Megaf: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 0/32, 1/7 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 12ms 22:02 nm0i hi 22:03 Sadie3141 Hello 22:04 Nosrick Hello! 22:13 Megaf hi 22:15 swift110 lol 22:27 DoyleChris I need some help with Mobs Redo 22:28 DoyleChris I added a few things to the list to purchase but recently i get this error 22:28 DoyleChris http://pastebin.com/gridR700 22:41 Fixer DoyleChris: post this to tenplus1 on his mobs redo page forum 22:42 Fixer DoyleChris: he is pretty quick in solving this 22:44 DoyleChris ill do that 23:31 alkotob I've been looking at the C code and I'm trying to think of a way 23:31 alkotob to allow players to enter portals to other servers 23:32 LinuxGuy2020 Ok I got a virtualbox linux install with current minetest on it. I tried doing the "minetest --server --world World" the server starts but no mods get loaded up. Why? 23:32 LinuxGuy2020 Its running inside a NAS4Free box. 23:33 thePalindrome Is it running in standalone mode? 23:33 LinuxGuy2020 Whats that mean? 23:34 thePalindrome Did you get minetest from your package manager? 23:34 LinuxGuy2020 No got latest dev 23:35 thePalindrome From where? 23:35 thePalindrome If you are just using "minetest" then that would imply you have it installed via a package manager 23:35 LinuxGuy2020 Oh yeah its the deb I downloaded. 23:36 LinuxGuy2020 0.14 or whatever 23:36 LinuxGuy2020 0.4.14 23:36 thePalindrome Alright, I would look in ~/.minetest/mods/ 23:36 LinuxGuy2020 single player game works fine 23:37 LinuxGuy2020 yeah 23:37 thePalindrome That *should* be where the mods will go in your install 23:37 thePalindrome tbh, your install is terrifying 23:37 thePalindrome I'm not even sure if you are using a linux or a bsd 23:37 LinuxGuy2020 Linux virtualbox. 23:37 LinuxGuy2020 inside BSD 23:37 LinuxGuy2020 Works fine 23:38 LinuxGuy2020 Just like haveing a linux PC on the network 23:38 thePalindrome Not what I mean 23:38 thePalindrome Under BSD you should never edit anything in /etc for any reason 23:38 LinuxGuy2020 Who said I did? 23:38 thePalindrome alright, nas4free isn't linux, it's bsd 23:38 LinuxGuy2020 OMG 23:38 thePalindrome I need to understand your system before I can give helpful advice. 23:39 LinuxGuy2020 NAS4Free has virtualbox inside it. You can run Linux virtual machines within it to add software and functionality. 23:39 thePalindrome Which linux distro are you running then! 23:39 LinuxGuy2020 Lets just call it a linux box thats all it is. 23:39 LinuxGuy2020 Linux Mint 18 23:39 thePalindrome Different distros place things in different locations 23:39 LinuxGuy2020 ok 23:39 thePalindrome Alright, nice to know you are using garbage 23:39 LinuxGuy2020 fuck you dude 23:40 thePalindrome Unless mint really screwed up, there should be a man page for minetestserver 23:40 LinuxGuy2020 Insults usually happen when the person trying to help has no clue. Past experience. 23:41 thePalindrome So why are you insulting me? 23:41 LinuxGuy2020 I dont want your help. 23:41 LinuxGuy2020 Lets move on. 23:41 thePalindrome Why don't you want my help? 23:41 Megaf folks, calm down 23:41 Megaf LinuxGuy2020: find the folder world and file worl.mt 23:42 LinuxGuy2020 ok 23:42 thePalindrome I do suggest checking the man page, if your distro puts things a bit weird, the man page should help 23:42 Megaf you have to edit the file and set the mod you want to load to true 23:42 Megaf you will understand when you find it 23:42 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Perfect your wonderful. 23:42 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Thank you 23:42 Megaf LinuxGuy2020: four years of running minetest servers ;) 23:43 Megaf but no need to insult people man 23:43 * thePalindrome wonders why people hate ghim 23:43 thePalindrome plsdk;aaaaaaaaa\] 23:43 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: One problem. They are all true. But none load. 23:43 Megaf LinuxGuy2020: what is your objective? 23:43 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Im starting the terminal in home folder. Could that be why they dont load? 23:44 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf:Should I run it from /home/user/.minetest instead? 23:44 Megaf if you want a standalone server you should use a thing called minetestserver instead of minetest 23:44 Megaf that to begin with 23:44 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Start a dedicated server with mods that I have working in single player mode. 23:44 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Is that a seperate download? 23:45 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: I mean "minetest --server" not the same? 23:45 Megaf minetestserver --world /path/to/your/world --config serverconfigurationfile.conf 23:46 Megaf LinuxGuy2020: I'm not sure, I don't use the pre packaged version, I build it myself, hold on 23:46 Megaf let me check 23:46 LinuxGuy2020 ok 23:46 Megaf LinuxGuy2020: so, if you are using a deb based distro the package is minetest-server 23:48 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Megaf -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Flowers: Add missing aliases for mushrooms from the mushroom mod 133be2f12 https://git.io/v6DwF (152016-08-22T00:43:04+01:00) 23:48 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: ok so Linux Mint 18 has minetest-server 0.4.13 so Ill try that then. Ok. 23:48 Megaf perfect 23:48 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Thanks so much 23:49 Megaf You're welcome. But you will still have some troubles I presume. Any question just politely ask and me or someone else will be happy in helping. 23:49 LinuxGuy2020 Megaf: Ok 23:50 Megaf Always good seeing your contribution to minetest being merged :) 23:51 Megaf [00:48:08] [git] Megaf -> minetest/minetest_game: Flowers: Add missing aliases for mushrooms from the mushroom mod 3be2f12 https://git.io/v6DwF (2016-08-22T00:43:04+01:00)