Time Nick Message 01:57 agrecascinoW2K would minetest run on windows 2000? 01:58 agrecascinoW2K answer, yes it does 02:04 DonBatman That was 16 years ago agrecascinoW2W 02:04 DonBatman That is amazing 02:06 agrecascinoW2K http://puu.sh/qHyax/04292ab2bf.png 02:06 agrecascinoW2K proof 02:06 DatJohnDoe Anyone on? i need some help 02:07 agrecascinoW2K DatJohnDoe, yes? 02:07 DonBatman Not sure I can help but ask your question anyway 02:07 DatJohnDoe how can i allocate more ram to minetest? i have 6gb's 02:08 DonBatman Why do you need more allocated to minetest? 02:08 DatJohnDoe just for better fps 02:09 DatJohnDoe and so i can run with good settings 02:09 agrecascinoW2K 30 fps on a pentium4 with a geforce 4 ti 02:09 DatJohnDoe i have a very crappy graphics card 02:10 DonBatman Allocating more ram won't make a difference I don't think 02:10 agrecascinoW2K DatJohnDoe, becaue of how c++ works, you can't just allocate more ram to minetest 02:10 agrecascinoW2K it'll allocate as much as it needs 02:11 DatJohnDoe so how can i speed it up? other than changing settings all the way down? 02:11 DonBatman As far as I know you can't do much besides changing settings 02:12 agrecascinoW2K drop the render distance 02:12 DatJohnDoe ah ok 02:12 DonBatman but there are a number of things being worked on that will improve speed 02:13 DatJohnDoe Ok, thanks for the info 02:14 DonBatman Did you change your maximum fps? 02:15 agrecascinoW2K w2k is definitely my favorite version of windows 02:15 * Chinchou facepalms 02:15 DonBatman agrecascinoW2W you ran win 2000 in a vm? 02:15 agrecascinoW2K nope 02:15 agrecascinoW2K actual machine 02:15 agrecascinoW2K a dell precision 520 02:15 Chinchou I wonder where the "MOAR RAM gib MOAR FPS" idea came from... 02:16 * agrecascinoW2K hears java noises 02:16 Chinchou Pffft 02:16 DonBatman Ya 02:16 Chinchou OK, point. 02:16 DonBatman Wonder if win 95 would run MT 02:17 agrecascinoW2K if i could have windows 2000 with non-broken acpi support, my life would be complete 02:17 DonBatman I gave up on windows a long time ago 02:18 Chinchou ^ 02:18 agrecascinoW2K I dual boot w2k and openSUSE 02:18 agrecascinoW2K i'm also insane 02:18 Chinchou I see. 02:18 DonBatman Linux is very stable now and easy to use and install 02:18 Chinchou ^ 02:18 DonBatman I am just crazy. I haven't made it to insane yet 02:18 Chinchou I use straight Debian, personally. 02:19 Chinchou My sanity is questionable, but remains within radar range. 02:19 Chinchou That's because I don't use Arch yet. 02:19 DonBatman I got stuck on ubuntu and haven't changed in years 02:20 Chinchou Eww. 02:20 Chinchou I'm sorry to hear that. 02:20 Chinchou =w=; 02:20 DonBatman I use gnome ubuntu 02:20 Chinchou My... 02:20 DonBatman I like how it works 02:20 Chinchou Gnome 3 is a mess. 02:20 DonBatman I know but I am stuck 02:21 Chinchou Ouch. 02:21 DonBatman I am using LXDE on my other computer 02:21 Chinchou I use Enlightenment. 02:21 DonBatman How is it? 02:21 Chinchou It is quite possibly the only software to get praise from me. D: 02:22 Chinchou I love E17. 02:22 Chinchou I haven't looked at 18 or 19. 02:22 agrecascinoW2K i hate enlightenment 02:22 Chinchou Heh 02:22 DonBatman Looks interesting 02:23 agrecascinoW2K mainly because it segfaults every 10 minutes 02:23 Chinchou 17, at least, is very easy to work with. 02:23 Volkj years to come to E17 then E18 and E19 in a couple of years, versioning's magic 02:23 Chinchou o_O 02:23 Chinchou agrecascinoW2K, I can honestly say that I see SEGVs from it very rarely. 02:24 Chinchou Even when it does, it recovers perfectly. 02:24 Chinchou At least from a user's point of view. 02:24 agrecascinoW2K Chinchou, i found a way to consistently crash it 02:24 agrecascinoW2K open vlc 3 02:24 agrecascinoW2K *CRASH* 02:24 Chinchou pft 02:25 Chinchou Well, I never use VLC. I have too many problems with VLC itself to bother with it over SMPlayer. 02:25 agrecascinoW2K we need winewm 02:25 Chinchou Ehhhh... 02:25 agrecascinoW2K i'm sort of a fanboy of the w2k, w2k3 look 02:26 agrecascinoW2K basically i'm completely obsessed with w2k 02:26 agrecascinoW2K it's not healthy 02:26 Chinchou In any case, I do have VLC installed due to deps, and my flatmate has used it here... Never saw a SEGV from E17 from that. 02:26 Chinchou It sounds like VLC is misbehaving. 02:27 Chinchou I like the boxy look wo w2k, myself, but the colour scheme is too bright for my tastes. 02:27 Hirato install gentoo 02:27 Chinchou s/wo/of 02:27 Chinchou How did I even do that. 02:28 agrecascinoW2K Chinchou, i personally like the light grays and the blue fades 02:28 Chinchou agrecascinoW2K, did you use a self-built copy of Enlightenment? 02:28 agrecascinoW2K Chinchou, no 02:28 Chinchou The one I'm using is from the Jessie repo. 02:29 Chinchou I like dark colour schemes such as E17's default. 02:29 agrecascinoW2K http://www.msfn.org/board/topic/175914-intel-kabylake-driver-for-win2000-released/ 02:29 agrecascinoW2K this fucker is crazy 02:29 Chinchou That's probably because my eyes are adjusted to nocturnal activity and are sensitive to light... 02:30 Chinchou What the blag. 02:30 agrecascinoW2K Chinchou, i like dark themes in thins like ides, but not in my wm 02:30 Chinchou I really should eat something, but I'm too lazy. 02:31 Darkside_ that's why i bought a microwave :D 02:31 agrecascinoW2K Chinchou, oh god i know that feeling 02:31 Chinchou agrecascinoW2K, the contrast between a dark-themed application and a bright-themed WM is ugly to me. 02:31 Hirato i like dark themes too, the problem is that they just cause too much trouble with certain developers... like Mozilla 02:31 Chinchou Eww, microwaves. 02:32 Chinchou I'll probably go cook a soyburger once hunger takes over. 02:32 Darkside_ put the cat in it, meeow! bleep! Splat!! 02:32 Chinchou Nuuu kitty! 02:33 Chinchou Reason I'm not owned by a cat: Many keyboards, many wires. 02:33 Chinchou I count four ethernet cables in this room alone. 02:35 agrecascinoW2K i have a 5 port switch 02:35 agrecascinoW2K http://puu.sh/qHzDU/64d20e7bae.jpg 02:35 agrecascinoW2K art 02:37 Chinchou I have two switches. 02:37 Chinchou 8-port and 4-port, and all but two ports are in use. 02:37 sea` Themes? In my opinion, if you can see enough pixels to say it's 'dark' or 'light', you're wasting screen space. My WM doesn't draw any pixels onto the display at all, and is entirely keyboard driven (because there's nothing to click on!) 02:38 Chinchou Ah, you use one of those WMs. Well, that's a fair point, though I personally don't need that much of my 1600x900 display. 02:39 Chinchou Also, I like being able to easily resize my windows. I'm very picky about the size and shape of my windows. 02:40 Hirato so your desktop is ascii based? 02:40 Chinchou Pft 02:40 Hirato Chinchou: he said it doesn't draw any pixels :P 02:41 sea` No it's graphical, it's just that the WM doesn't draw anything. Windows are literally drawn directly onto the background or fullscreen. No border, no 'X' to close or minimize or whatever. None of that. 02:41 Chinchou The WM doesn't. There are WMs that don't draw borders and the like. 02:41 Chinchou How do you determine what's focused? 02:41 Chinchou Does it even /have/ a focus system? 02:42 sea` No, this particular one just does every window fullscreen. The window right in front of me is the one with focus 02:42 sea` It can do the usual floating window stuff, but there's no focus indicator 02:42 Hirato Chinchou: the WMs still have to draw the window's contents itself, unless it's not a compositing WM 02:42 sea` You just have to type a bit to figure it out 02:42 DonBatman What wm is it? 02:43 sea` SEA-WM :) 02:43 Hirato are you the developer? 02:43 sea` I copy pasted some of the code from some other stuff and compiled it once it started to work 02:43 sea` er, compiled it* and left it once it started to work. 02:43 sea` It has no features coz I can't be bothered 02:44 Hirato You should try Wolfenstein WM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FjuPn7MXMs :3 02:45 DonBatman I prefer having things to click 02:45 Chinchou ^ 02:46 sea` oh wow, wolfenstein WM is cool 02:46 Chinchou I like my floating windows and focus indicators. 02:46 * Chinchou tends to have at least eight terminals open at any given time 02:46 Hirato it was pretty cool, don't think it went anywhere though 02:46 Hirato was just a fun demo for wayland by the looks of it 02:47 sea` Ah, but I think that using the mouse causes carpal tunnel, so I avoid it at all costs. I even got the mouseless browsing plugin for firefox. I only use the mouse in games, and I'm happy to report no carpal tunnel so far 02:47 sea` So the plan is WORKING 02:47 sea` :) 02:47 Chinchou I get strain from typing even when not using the mouse at all. 02:47 Hirato I use super sensitive mice, so they move about 4000 pixels in an inch 02:48 Hirato and that is with a flat acceleration profile 02:48 Chinchou I move the mouse with my elbow and shoulder, not my wrist, except when I need very accurate moves. 02:49 Chinchou ... It is time for a soyburger with baby spring greens and vegenaise. 02:49 Chinchou Excuse me. 02:49 * sea` starts minetest 02:50 DonBatman ewww 02:50 DonBatman :P 02:58 sea` Are there mods to make minetest more colourful? 02:59 DonBatman rgb 03:01 DonBatman I can't seem to find the mod but rgb has all the colors 03:02 DonBatman Are you looking for something like rgb that is for creative or are you looking for a gen type mod 03:29 agrecascinoW2K does anyone understand the internal coordinate system in minetest 03:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Fire: Use 'enable fire' setting instead of 'disable fire' 13cabf80b https://git.io/v6Me1 (152016-08-20T04:29:32+01:00) 03:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04daniel@danielimac.local -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Default: Improve fences inventory/wield images 130883854 https://git.io/v6MeM (152016-08-20T04:27:48+01:00) 09:01 segfault22 Is 160GB enough hard drive space for a minetest server for 9 months, until larger drives can be acquired? 09:02 Krock redcrab's map isn't more than 100 GB and that one existed for a looong time 09:02 segfault22 It's going to be set-up with RAID-1, so if one disk fails the data doesn't get lost forever 09:03 segfault22 cool 09:03 segfault22 Redcrab's server is like huge 09:04 segfault22 I can't fit the 2 additional drives in the computer case, and there are not enough SATA power connectors on the PSU, so I'm using an external disk-cage and an additional PSU hotwired to run just the disks 09:07 Krock I've only lost one HDD in the last 6 years. An IC on the control board got roasted somehow 09:08 Krock not sure if the fail rate is a high risk 09:08 segfault22 you have good luck, then 09:10 segfault22 It's probably far more likely that the computer's motherboard will die before the hard drives, because I've already had to replace the RAM capacitors and there's some problem with the built-in graphics chip 09:11 segfault22 I am going to use a command-line-only installation of Ubuntu so that it doesn't have to use the failed graphics chip and so there is not any other "crap" consuming resources (X window system, widgets, dialogs, etc.) 09:12 Krock my board modification: http://imgur.com/RLjpVXA 09:13 Krock that was 2 years ago when I revived this mainboard :D 09:14 Krock it kept overheating.. mounted a cooler and later a fan on it.. no problems \o/ 09:15 segfault22 cool 09:17 segfault22 have you ever had to replace bad capacitors, like some of those from the counterfeit capacitor "plague" that reached the board manufacturers 09:18 Krock sorry, which caps do you mean exactly? 09:19 segfault22 like, the electrolytic "drum" capacitors that have all that nasty goo inside them, and the counterfeit ones work for a few years and then leak all over everything 09:20 Krock oh these. Yes. I also added two caps on my 5V and 12V rail. Sometimes the HDDs didn't start up well anymore 09:21 segfault22 cool 09:21 Krock well, it's kinda an old PSU 09:21 segfault22 hey, your board looks like it has both IDE and SATA connectors, am I mistaken 09:21 Krock yes but I have no SATA drives 09:22 Krock (none built-in but two in my shelf) 09:23 segfault22 cool 09:35 Krock shamoanjac, don't take https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=230218#p230218 serious. Youe use SPACES to indent instead of TABS. 09:36 Krock * You 09:36 shamoanjac the superior method 09:36 shamoanjac :^) 09:36 Krock sadly 09:38 Krock spaces are horrible. You can customize the tab width - one character is one "depth" of code 09:38 Krock but spaces? They're fine to make similar lines match in length but aren't useful to indent 09:43 shamoanjac meh 09:43 shamoanjac I'm a PEP8 fanboy 09:49 Krock "Spaces are the preferred indentation method. " 09:49 Krock I'd slap that guy if I could 09:50 Krock actually three people 10:09 segfault22 spaces have only two places that I know of: acting as a separator between two actually existing code elements, and acting as part of a string so that it is readable. everything else is misuse. 10:10 segfault22 that is, within Lua and C/C++/C# and other programming languages that can be written with a basic notepad-style text editor 10:10 segfault22 tabs FTW 10:12 shamoanjac the code sould reflect the vision of the author 10:12 shamoanjac that's why spaces are preferred 10:12 shamoanjac looking at code with a different indentation than the original is like watching dubbed anime 10:13 segfault22 improper use of one's tools shows there's something missing in their vision, probably not for the better 10:13 segfault22 Is there such a mod that allows players to protect actual chunks, as in 16^3 cubes of nodes perfectly aligned with the actual chunk system? 10:13 segfault22 I couldn't find it on the forum,... 10:16 segfault22 I have to go try to sleep for a few hours,... it's too early already and I didn't get any coding done as I had planned :/ 10:17 segfault22 goodbye y'all,... thank you for the feedback and for keeping me company 10:19 Chinchou Eww, tabs 10:19 Chinchou Lunch calls. 13:02 * Chinchou headdesks repeatedly 13:04 meldrian hi there 13:04 Chinchou o/ 13:06 Chinchou Time to see if current git still has a client that throws an "unsupported protocol version" without any network activity whatsoever. 13:08 Chinchou If this hasn't been reported at all by anyone else, I'm inclined to think that one of my libraries is buggy... somehow. 13:08 agrecascino are nametags drawn at the player? 13:16 xunto agrecascino: what do you mean? 13:17 xunto You mean "on client"? 13:30 agrecascino yes 13:31 agrecascino xunto, i modified the rendering code for nametags, and the parent node is wayyyyy off where the player is 13:37 Chinchou Hmm... Looks like the new build doesn't have that bug. 13:39 Chinchou To clarify: A git build from two days ago had a client that was semi-randomly throwing an "unsupported protocol version" error even when no server was up, and, indeed, without generating any network activity. 13:40 Chinchou A build from just now doesn't seem to be doing that. So, no idea what's going on there. 13:41 Chinchou Generally, it was every second attempt to connect that would fail that way, but attempting to connect to a second server and then the first again rendered /all/ attempts "bad". = o= 13:50 xunto agrecascino: I can't say much without screenshot and code) 13:52 MinetestBot 02[git] 04t4im -> 03minetest/minetest: Tidy up generate_from_settingtypes.lua a bit. 136590140 https://git.io/v6MCa (152016-08-20T15:48:47+02:00) 13:52 MinetestBot 02[git] 04t4im -> 03minetest/minetest: Move generation from settingtypes out of dlg_settings_advanced 13ba50127 https://git.io/v6MCV (152016-08-20T15:48:47+02:00) 13:53 agrecascino http://paste.opensuse.org/91059096 13:53 agrecascino this player is within 10 nodes of me 13:58 agrecascino http://paste.opensuse.org/73738795 13:58 agrecascino that's the code 14:08 xunto agrecascino: and your coordinates are the same with camera's ones? 14:08 agrecascino xunto, i'm drawing nametags with a certain level of opacity, depending on distance from camera 14:08 xunto I see it) 14:09 xunto I'm asking if camera coordinates is player coordinates 14:09 xunto *are 14:09 agrecascino I think? 14:09 agrecascino they seem correct 14:11 agrecascino nevermind, they definitely aren't 14:11 xunto Heh 14:11 xunto I think that they are in different coordinate system or something 14:17 xunto https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/camera.h#L182 14:17 xunto agrecascino: I don't completly know but maybe this is what you should use 14:18 xunto Oh! No! 14:18 xunto agrecascino: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/camera.h#L90-L95 14:18 xunto Here 14:18 xunto :) 14:19 sfan5 agrecascino: the camera does some interesting stuff to not glitch out with large coords 14:19 agrecascino i am using getPosition 14:20 sfan5 i dont know whether thats correct 14:20 xunto agrecascino: but you used m_cameranode->getPosition() instead of this->getPosition() 14:21 agrecascino oh 14:21 xunto They seems different 14:22 est31 http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Fedora-25-Wayland-Default 14:22 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1763 14:22 est31 :( 14:22 est31 minetest will break on fedora 25, very bad 14:22 xunto >// Get the camera position (in absolute scene coordinates). 14:22 xunto agrecascino: I think that this is exactly what you need 14:24 agrecascino 2016-08-20 10:23:42: WARNING[Main]: Player pos -13792.273438 -2648.886230 576.642883 14:24 agrecascino 2016-08-20 10:23:42: WARNING[Main]: Tag pos -1729.264648 -655.000244 573.410400 14:24 agrecascino that made it worse 14:24 xunto heh 14:30 xunto agrecascino: do you still need my help or keep trying yourself?) 14:32 agrecascino xunto, i have no idea what's going on 14:42 agrecascino these nametag positions make no sense 14:44 xunto agrecascino: i think that it's not nametag positions 14:44 xunto It's your player position 14:44 agrecascino 2016-08-20 10:44:44: WARNING[Main]: Player pos -13783.429688 -2648.866211 591.403748 14:45 agrecascino this is correct, though 14:45 agrecascino except you divide by 10 14:46 xunto Hm. One second. 14:46 xunto const float BS = 10.0; 14:47 xunto Coordintes are not in blocks. They are in coordinates. But block size is 10. 14:47 xunto That's why coordintaes that big in cpp 14:48 agrecascino xunto, i know 14:48 xunto I forgot it) 14:51 xunto agrecascino: can you try m_playernode.getPosition ? 14:58 agrecascino player position is correct, nametag is far off 15:21 shamoanjac where was the option to download a server's map again? 15:22 behalebabo shamoanjac: enable_local_map_saving = true 15:22 shamoanjac thanks 15:23 shamoanjac where is it saved? in .minetest/worlds? 15:24 behalebabo yes, I believe so 15:41 nolsen http://imgur.com/2yiL3h7 So true. 16:00 agaran IhrFussel: i mean, all player dirs are one directory if it is not larger than some hundred mb, I'd try make shmfs, put them there.. and try.. shmfs is instant in compare to physical drive.. no ever lag caused by head reposition (faster than ssd even) 16:02 IhrFussel agaran, do you mean another type of hard disk? My server is running on a v server so I have no physical access to it 16:02 agaran IhrFussel: not really hard disk 16:03 agaran if you look at mounted fs, there is something like tmpfs on /run/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime,size=411100k) 16:03 agaran you can use same (setting noatime even) on it, and mount it where player data is stored.. it is volatile, when you reboot, but for testing if that is lag source should be fine 16:04 agaran and it uses some of system ram for that.. 16:05 agaran and yes, I know it is workaround.. but first you need to find out what actually causes problem.. right? 16:05 IhrFussel Well we can ask the experts here first: Everyone, can too many player files ( 10,000+ ) cause constant server lag? 16:08 agaran also you may use noatime (though it reduces traffic only a little) 16:09 agaran so access time changes without modification of file won't be saved to filesystem, it reduces load when files are just read 16:09 IhrFussel LazyJ, FYI: You protected a large area on my server which also affected other player's areas...we waited a total of 3 weeks for you to logon and fix it but you didn't join, so we had to remove your protection 16:11 IhrFussel agaran, If someone confirms that a huge amount of player files can indeed cause server lag then I will think about how to increase file access/read times 16:12 LazyJ IhrFussel, thanks. I had asked one of your admins to set the protection. I'm busy with tending to my own server, projects on other servers as well as tending to real-life's responsibilities. I'm spread-thin and can not always log in every day or even once a week. 16:14 IhrFussel LazyJ, okay well I wasn't told that a moderator set the protection I figured it would be you since you know how to do it...but maybe the area was too large to protect without areas priv? I understand that you are busy in life I just wanted to clarify that we didn't remove the protection "for fun" 16:58 nosrick I've got a question for y'all. 16:59 nosrick Anyone about I can bother? 17:00 KaadmY i'm afk, sorry 17:00 agaran nosrick: ask question, more chances for answer 17:00 KaadmY this is an automated response to prevent people from pinging me 17:00 nosrick HEY KAADMY 17:01 KaadmY this is an automated response to prevent people from pinging me 17:01 shamoanjac nosrick, magic mod when 17:01 nosrick SOON 17:01 shamoanjac Y E S 17:01 nosrick I've almost got my research selection woring. 17:01 nosrick working* 17:01 nosrick Alright, so in on_receive_fields is it possible to access dynamically named fields? 17:04 KaadmY nosrick: fields. 17:04 Hawk777 nosrick: on_receive_fields receives a table, so you should be able to use fields[fieldname], where fieldname is a variable, no? 17:04 KaadmY on on_recieve_fields 17:04 nosrick Well, let me describe what I'm doing; I'm naming the buttons (which are dynamically created) as "research0", "research1", etc. 17:05 nosrick So should I be able to go fields["research1"]? 17:05 Hawk777 Yeah. 17:05 nosrick Cool, I'll try that! 17:05 Hawk777 If t is a table, then t.foo is exactly the same as t["foo"] for all possible foo. 17:05 Hawk777 But the latter, as you see, takes a string in quotes, and can alternatively take a variable. 17:06 Hawk777 I mean, if it’s literally fields["research1"], then you could also say fields.research1. But if you had an index in a variable or so, you could do something like fields["research" .. tostring(research_number)] 17:07 nosrick That's exactly what I did, and it works! 17:19 IhrFussel Can forceloading cause constant server lag? 17:19 agaran yes, to some degree because it has to keep a lot of things in mem thus having likely active ABMs too 17:20 IhrFussel Cause my force_loaded.txt file is not empty...I'm guessing mesecons is the troublemaker then 17:20 agaran well depends how many mesecons stuff you have operating.. 17:22 IhrFussel Well but it's not caused by mobs mod, not by the chat bot, not by the exp and idle time calculator...mesecons is the only heavy mod left I think that could cause this 17:23 IhrFussel And it would make sense...more players online = more map blocks loaded = more mesecons actions processed 17:23 agaran yep, but in Megaf server there is -lot- of used mesecons.. and after removing mobs it is less problematic with lag 17:25 IhrFussel Well I will not remove mesecons..I just want to find out which part of my game server causes the lags...I can try to reduce the processing when I know what causes it 17:25 agaran hmm you can add logging when mesecons forceload block to see how many are actually loaded by them 17:25 agaran mesecons/mesecons/util.lua contains routine which does forceloading 17:26 IhrFussel Are you still connected? 17:27 agaran sure 17:27 agaran 3.4465 17:28 IhrFussel This is way too high...a few weeks ago it was MAX at 1.X maybe 17:28 nosrick Guess whose research system works now? 17:28 agaran nosrick: :) congrats 17:28 nosrick Thanks, guys. :) 17:28 agaran IhrFussel: well I get ya, I am still making glass it will take a while..;) 17:30 IhrFussel agaran, You know I actually hoped that it would be the idle/exp mod cause I just checked and it checks the idle time of each player EVERY server step 17:30 nosrick shamoanjac, you want to have a play about with my mod? 17:30 agaran IhrFussel: yep, but ouch, every server step is -very- often.. 17:31 IhrFussel Yeah I can reduce that but it's not the source for the lags... 17:32 agaran hmm profiler should be able to show how much time you spend in lua thread.. that would give hint for abm/lbm load 17:32 agaran not sure how to use profiler in mt tho, never tried yet 17:33 agaran I see that minetest here uses few threads so if one is lua then it can be tracked from outside 17:34 agaran nope, minimesh, map and send/receive threads.. 17:35 IhrFussel The profiler in my version is not very helpful...mine is 0.4.13-dev compiled in May...unfortunately they improved the profiler only just now (Jul or Aug) 17:36 agaran I have 0.4.14 stable 17:36 agaran but I was looking at threads in 'top' simply.. 17:36 agaran hoping that lua is thread so you can see peak of usage for one of threads.. 17:41 Hawk777 IhrFussel: Mesecons stores a list of forceloaded chunks in worldname/mesecon_forceloaded, so you could just compare that list to force_loaded.txt to see which are its fault and which are due to other mods. 17:43 IhrFussel Hawk777, well it doesn't contain many entries but I'm guessing even one entry could cause heavy lag if the block needs to load many different mechanics 17:43 Darkside_ slither.io that game is fun, made it to top 10 as #10 yesterday :0 killing huge snakes as tinybigone :p so much fun gonna play again today :) 17:44 Hawk777 Well, yes. Forceloading is unfortunately a bit hammer; the fault might not strictly lie with mesecons nor with some other mod, but the combination—mesecons might be responsible for forceloading some blocks but not doing all that much with them, while the other mod is responsible for making those blocks expensive. 17:44 Hawk777 s/bit/big 17:45 IhrFussel Hawk777, does forceload mean the blocks are always loaded in memory? Or only when players are near them? 17:45 Hawk777 Always. A forceloaded blocks is roughly equivalent to one that is near a player. 17:45 Darkside_ yeah that whole mapblock 17:46 IhrFussel Well my lag gets worse when more players connect...not sure if that could really be caused by forceloaded blocks 17:46 Hawk777 How Minetest works is that blocks near a player *or* that are forceloaded are always in memory and all ABMs, entities, etc. in them are active. Beyond that, a lot of other blocks might also be in memory as a cache (to avoid rereading them from disk), but they are not active, so ABMs/entities/etc. do not do anything in those blocks; thus they should not have much impact on CPU. 17:47 Hawk777 I would guess that’s one of two things, either the blocks near those players are using up CPU, or else having more players means more network bandwidth used. 17:47 Hawk777 Depending on which resource you’re running out of. 17:48 IhrFussel Hawk777, the average load is almost always below 1,00 even when the server lags every few seconds, RAM usage is less than 50% and network speed is 1gbit/s 17:48 Hawk777 Single-CPU or multiple? 17:48 Hawk777 (core, hyperthreading, etc.) 17:48 Hawk777 Load average equal to # CPUs means fully loaded. 17:49 IhrFussel Hawk777, AMD dualcore 17:49 Hawk777 But honestly, I don’t really know anything about diagnosing Minetest lag. I just play it and occasionally submit pull requests to mods. 17:49 Hawk777 Hm. 17:50 Hawk777 Do the lag spikes correlate to disk accesses? Could it be getting stuck waiting to read stuff from disk? 17:51 IhrFussel 1 MB is the maximum it writes to the disk at trhe same time iotop says 17:54 IhrFussel I can only repeat that the problem suddenly appeared...my server worked without lags for months and then they started 17:54 Hawk777 Well, sorry, can’t really help then :/ 17:55 IhrFussel Maybe it lagged when 30+ players connected but now it does with 5 online 17:55 Hawk777 What about general maintenance? Disk defragment? Database full vacuum if you’re using sqlite? 17:56 IhrFussel I will disable mesecons next restart and see..thanks for the help =) 17:56 Darkside_ oh buggy game engine,there must be a way to flush loads of data clear cache or something to kill lag, maybe it's just the size of data for the game stored already causing problems after a while :/ 17:56 IhrFussel Linux has no fragmentation AFAIK...and I don't know if there is a way to clean up the sqlite DB without destroying data 17:57 Darkside_ i stopped building worlds for myself just got sick of the meltdowns lol 17:57 Krock fragmentation depends on the filesystem 17:57 Hawk777 VACUUM FULL would be the command you’re looking for to clean and reorganize an sqlite database. 17:58 Hawk777 Fragmentation can be a thing on Linux; IIRC there’s a command to show you how fragmented a file is which is named something like filefrag. 17:58 agaran for postgresql i'd use vacuum verbose analyze.. 17:58 agaran depends on filesystem, on some it is different.. like xfs 17:58 Hawk777 Ah, sorry, it’s just VACUUM, not VACUUM FULL, for sqlite. 17:58 Krock IhrFussel, I thought the clue about cleaning up IS destroying data 17:58 Hawk777 No parameters accepted. 17:59 Hawk777 VACUUM doesn’t modify any data, it just repacks the database file, shrinks it to remove unused space, that sort of thing. 17:59 Hawk777 (space as in disk space, not geographic space in the Minetest world) 18:01 IhrFussel So the FS is reiserFS 18:01 IhrFussel Seems like it does have fragmentation issues 18:03 Krock oh my god. Format everything with Fat32 18:04 Darkside_ that old lol 18:04 IhrFussel I can't choose the FS my server is "Strato Linux V Server Level 1" you can look it up if you want 18:05 Krock Darkside_, yeah. Like your USB flash drive 18:05 Krock I bet it's formatted with Fat32 18:08 Darkside_ i need some more coffee ;3 18:09 Krock sudo make coffee 18:09 Krock Error: Don't know how to make coffee 18:09 Krock (or similar) 18:09 Darkside_ ;0 18:10 Krock related: https://www.gnu.org/fun/jokes/unix.errors.html 18:11 IhrFussel My output of that is weird "make: *** No rule to make target `coffee'. Stop." 18:13 Krock how boring 18:13 Krock try $ cat "can of food" 18:14 IhrFussel cat: can of food: No such file or directory 18:14 Krock please slap the developers for me 18:15 nosrick Anyone want to dick about with MAGIC? 18:16 Krock it's magic you know never believe it's not so - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzlK0OGpIRs 18:16 Krock not going to "dick" about it. good song. 18:17 nosrick Oh Krock, you scamp. 18:17 Krock ack. 18:17 IhrFussel LOL I found a funny command telnet towel.blinkenlights.nl 18:18 Krock The hard work was done by Simon and Mike, 18:18 Krock I just placed it online in a different format. 18:18 Krock lol 18:18 nm0i I got k-lined for keeping irc-gateway to minetest on ircnet i used. 18:18 Krock and 20 century text 18:18 nm0i Is there any goog place to host irc-gateway to minetest server? 18:18 nm0i *good 18:19 Krock IhrFussel, thanks for that great site :D 18:24 IhrFussel Krock, no problem :D And I just now learned about "fork bomb" 18:24 agaran IhrFussel: want to see what I made for stress loading mesestuff? 18:24 Darkside_ you hackers you ;p 18:24 Krock start "Forkbomb" /high %0 18:25 IhrFussel You mean what you built on my server? 18:25 agaran IhrFussel: yep 18:25 IhrFussel Sure one sec 18:25 agaran 7.1 and going up.. 18:27 Darkside_ fasten your seatbelts! 18:27 agaran not -that- good to cause load but it is tiny thing in fact 18:29 Krock Darkside_, seatbelts? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT6u0bE6vTw 18:29 Krock (a song of them) 18:30 IhrFussel I'll join as testuser___3 to prevent players from spamming me with requests 18:30 agaran sure 18:30 Krock Nosrick, you missed another music reference 18:31 Darkside_ i created massive lag on Pizza server with lots of mesecons and glowlights and some blinky plants, if your trying to achieve that, i replaced blinky plant with powerplant ofcource to help keep server running smooth ;) 18:31 Nosrick Oh, poop. 18:32 Darkside_ framerate drop was insane ;) was testing and playing a bit with it ;) 18:32 Krock found a new abbreviation to remember: PEBCAK (= You are the problem) 18:34 Darkside_ its looking awesome though imaging a skybase with a mesecons grid over whole the build glowing in the darkness :) 18:39 IhrFussel Krock, does the max_lag value update in realtime? 18:39 Krock no, it decreases by factor 0.99 per step (or similar) until it gets pushed upwards again 18:40 IhrFussel But the increasing happens in realtime? 18:40 Krock I think so 18:41 Krock two weeks ago my network lag wasn't shown up there. Check the F5 graphs for "rudp_rtt", it's the time that a packet took to you 18:42 Krock the peak value there was sometimes up to 50s but the max_lag didn't increase 18:43 IhrFussel WAIT...max_lag doesn't display the SERVER lag? Or does it show server+client lag? 18:44 Krock afaik it should display the lag of the laggiest user on the server 18:44 Krock heck, is there no wiki entry for that? 18:45 IhrFussel Krock, but laggy players shouldn't cause delay of server actions right? 18:45 Krock no, the server doesn't care about them 18:46 Darkside_ i go work on my home at megaf server ;) bbl 18:50 IhrFussel I will restart the server with disabled mesecons 18:51 Krock players will be happy about the unknown nodes 18:51 agaran IhrFussel: now, or I finish next row of thing? 18:51 IhrFussel Krock, just trying to find the troublemaker...right now I have no idea 18:51 nm0i alias evrything with cobble \o/ 18:52 Nosrick mn0i are you an anarchist? You must be MAD! 18:52 IhrFussel agaran, you may finish the row first 18:52 Krock IhrFussel, slow internet connection? Too high active block range? 18:53 IhrFussel active_block_range is 1 and network speed is 1gbit/s 18:53 Krock too high and too slow 18:53 * nm0i makes note in plan to make "Cobble only" game with no other blocks. 18:54 Krock get a better connection 18:54 Krock just kidding. That's really strange 18:54 Krock nm0i, you'll fail. You need air and ignore 18:54 IhrFussel Well I will see if the lag problem is gone after removing mesecons...I have a strong feeling it will 18:55 Krock maybe a placebo affect 18:55 Krock *effect 18:55 nm0i Krock: air is overrated. Real builders can live without it. 18:57 Krock they can fly anyway. no matter if air or not 19:01 agaran nm0i: they breath mese crystals? 19:03 nm0i Real builders can breathe cobble. 19:22 IhrFussel This is driving me crazy!!! I disabled now all mods except for the default ones and the lag REMAINS... 19:22 agaran IhrFussel: that would mean lag somewhere not related to mods, they only make it worse but aren't sole source? 19:25 Krock build from scratch? 19:26 IhrFussel You mean get new version, compile and move the old world to it? 19:28 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:30 IhrFussel Krock, 0.4.14 stable or 0.4.14 dev which is better for servers? 19:30 Krock dunno. Both are about the same crashy 19:30 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:30 IhrFussel So I shouldn't use 0.4.14 at all? 19:31 agaran IhrFussel: Megaf has 4.14 and still lag happened there, 0.4.14 release works for me but.. 19:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:33 Krock MTB broken or force push without a commit change? 19:35 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:37 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:39 Krock push push 19:39 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:41 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:42 agrecascino i feel bad for people that don't have military surplus stores 19:42 agaran heh, i feel bad form myself that I can't buy stuff from some of them I found on 'nets 19:43 agrecascino they fucking surplused a lga 2011 machine 19:43 agrecascino why 19:44 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:46 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:46 agaran agrecascino: because sometimes they list nice stuff like scopes.. 19:48 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:49 IhrFussel Is the one-liner script by Calinou still up to date? 19:49 Krock yes 19:49 IhrFussel And what was the option for disabling client build and only having server side? 19:50 Krock -DENABLE_SERVER=1 19:50 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:50 Krock est, it's enough. thanks. 19:51 agaran not that cmake . -DBUILD_CLIENT=0 19:51 agaran and somebody mentioned that you need irrlicht dev stuff available when building server 19:51 Krock ^ IhrFussel 19:52 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:53 IhrFussel The one-line script should download all necessary packages 19:55 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:57 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 19:57 agaran IhrFussel: let me know when you finish so I can reconnect 19:59 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:01 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:01 Krock sfan5, MTB has a broken record. She keeps repeating the same text. Bug? 20:03 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:04 IhrFussel agaran, it's compiling now 20:04 DonBatman I think est31 is spamming. Did you make him upset Krock? 20:04 Krock DonBatman, no this rather seems to be a bug with MTB 20:05 DonBatman happened a couple days ago too 20:06 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:06 Krock let's sue sfan5 for this 20:06 DonBatman MT-bot is not as advanced as Krock-bot 20:06 DonBatman Does sfan have money? 20:06 DonBatman Millions? 20:07 Krock billions IIRC 20:07 DonBatman Cool. On the phone with lawyer now 20:08 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:09 DonBatman Krock. My lawyer said "Don't be a baby. Shit happens" 20:10 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:12 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:14 agaran is it safe to rely on gc in luajit, doing copies of anything when possibly needed, or better to not stress it too much? 20:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:16 IhrFussel agaran, should be online 20:17 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:19 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:21 IhrFussel Krock, it still says 0.4.13-dev...bug or did I do something wrong? 20:21 Krock 0.4.13-dev?? 20:21 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:21 IhrFussel Yes I installed from the one-liner 20:21 Krock are you sure that you fetched all commits? 20:22 IhrFussel I deleted the entire minetest folder before i executed the git command 20:23 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:23 Krock that's impossible.. it gets the master branch 20:25 agaran and you did do make install? or ran binary from /usr/(whatever), where newly compiled still waits? 20:25 IhrFussel Wait...maybe I'm using the wrong executable? I did minetest --server ... do I need to run minetestserver as command? 20:25 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:25 Krock minetest --server is the same 20:26 agaran you can try 'hash' to show where it found binary 20:26 agaran in shell, shows where bash found binary i $PATH 20:27 Krock IhrFussel, you could check the modification date of that binary 20:28 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:29 Markow Is the MinetestBot broken, posting the same git commit over and over again? ;) 20:29 Krock yes 20:30 Krock DonBatman called his lawyer to sue sfan 20:30 Markow lol 20:30 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:30 Markow Grrrrrr...one more time, and I'm going to swing my wooden sword at MinetestBot ! :P 20:30 IhrFussel WHAT THE.../usr/local/share/minetest is still the old one 20:31 IhrFussel Doesn't it overwrite it when it exists?? 20:31 Krock Markow, use an unobtanium sword 20:31 Markow ;) 20:31 Krock IhrFussel, maybe it was saved somewhere else 20:32 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:33 IhrFussel Krock, so just to m ake sure: Before i start the one-liner I remove /usr/local/share/minetest and the minetest folder in my home directory? 20:33 DonBatman Markow where is the sword? 20:33 Krock IhrFussel, but you already ran the script 20:34 Krock no need to delete the binary. it must be overwritten if it's the correct location 20:34 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:35 IhrFussel I see what the script did...it didn't touch the folders it only replaced the files...ok I'll look where the binary is 20:35 * Markow strikes MinetestBot with ⚔ 20:36 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:37 est31 sfan5, minetestbot is acting strange ^ 20:37 est31 OldCoder, maybe mute minetestbot? 20:37 est31 (until sfan5 fixes it) 20:38 OldCoder Hi 20:38 OldCoder Reading up 20:38 OldCoder What is mute command? 20:38 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:38 OldCoder /mute? 20:39 * OldCoder Googles 20:39 OldCoder est31, ^ 20:39 est31 no idea :) 20:39 OldCoder Googling 20:39 Krock there's /ignore 20:39 Krock (for me at least) 20:40 OldCoder Ah 20:40 OldCoder Quiet 20:40 IhrFussel Krock, I have minetest and minetestserver as executables in bin folder...minetest was modified in May minetestserver today 20:40 OldCoder Done 20:40 OldCoder Tell sfan5 about the issue 20:40 Krock uh okay. then you know what to do. run the server over minetestserver 20:40 est31 thanks OldCoder 20:41 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:41 Krock OldCoder, pinged him some times in this channel but let's flood him with messages just to make sure :P 20:41 est31 :/ didnt work 20:41 est31 maybe ban it then? 20:41 est31 I don't know, but somehow I always manage to break MTB :) 20:43 OldCoder Huh 20:43 agaran thats the skill 20:43 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Also support X11 icon for minetest copies installed via make install … 13f092dac https://git.io/v6Mwb (152016-08-20T21:26:44+02:00) 20:43 OldCoder Wait 20:43 OldCoder I quieted it 20:43 OldCoder *google* 20:43 agaran maybe op flag is overriding +q ? 20:43 OldCoder Hmm 20:43 agaran try on me if you want 20:43 OldCoder Sorry, bot... 20:43 OldCoder No, will ban bot temporarily 20:43 OldCoder agaran, OK actually 20:44 OldCoder agaran, you cannot speak now 20:44 OldCoder Correct? 20:44 agaran t 20:44 OldCoder agaran, you can speak now 20:44 OldCoder Correct? 20:44 OldCoder c'est la vie 20:45 Nosrick RIP Minebot 20:45 xunto :( 20:45 OldCoder agaran, t y 20:45 OldCoder Bot is not deceased 20:45 agaran rest in pieces? 20:45 OldCoder Bot will be back to pleased 20:45 agaran ;) 20:45 OldCoder Bot is friend to the end 20:45 OldCoder So message to sfan5 we send 20:45 agaran true 20:45 agaran wow, poetry 20:45 OldCoder Bot pieces return from tea with nieces 20:45 OldCoder sfan5, fix your bot 20:45 OldCoder 21:11 OldCoder 21:11 OldCoder http://minetest.org/mods/name_restrictions.zip 21:11 OldCoder Install or update this to block Sadies/Exploration ^ 21:11 OldCoder 21:12 OldCoder Need latest version 21:21 Megaf !server Megaf 21:21 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms 21:24 Nosrick It's hard to find testers for your mod when you have no friends. 21:24 OldCoder Nosrick, enemies will test 21:25 OldCoder Hoping to find flaws 21:25 OldCoder http://minetest.org/mods/name_restrictions.zip 21:25 Nosrick I don't have any of those, either. 21:25 Nosrick They're all dead. 21:25 OldCoder GunshipPenguin, install or update that ^ 21:25 OldCoder Nosrick, I know the feeling 21:25 OldCoder http://minetest.org/mods/name_restrictions.zip 21:25 agaran Nosrick: magic mod? 21:25 OldCoder No More Sadies Send Them to Hades :P 21:25 OldCoder Nosrick did you make the wands? 21:25 Nosrick MAGIC MOD! 21:25 OldCoder What magic? 21:25 Nosrick No, I'm making a Master of Magic homage mod. 21:25 * OldCoder has been testing magic mods 21:25 OldCoder Ahh 21:25 OldCoder Will it work in a Harry Potter world? 21:26 Nosrick You know, it probably would. 21:26 Nosrick Though you cast from books, rather than wands. 21:27 agaran not that much to change wand to book or otherwise if you have all code done 21:27 Nosrick That's true. 21:27 Nosrick I've been thinking about getting the wands to cast magic, rather than books, but I'm not sure how to do it. 21:29 Nosrick A menu would be most obvious, but it'd also be really clunky. 21:33 agaran or wand for some part of spells to have short menu, and bigger in book where are like utility spells and then slowness of finding needed one is not issue? 21:33 Nosrick Hm, that could work. 21:34 Nosrick Maybe using an IJKL setup for the wand casting? 21:34 agaran I did notknow you could bind keys for custom stuf.. 21:34 Nosrick Ah, I'm not sure you can... I'm positive it's possible, though. 21:35 Nosrick I'm sure I've seen a mod with it. 21:46 Nosrick Two people are testing my mod. I am super duper nervous. 21:49 DonBatman Don't be nervous. Be greatful that people are going to give feedback so you can improve your mod :) 21:50 Nosrick So far, no feedback... 21:50 Nosrick I'm not sure if that's a good thing or a bad thing. 21:51 DonBatman oooooo that is bad. Be nervous now 21:51 DonBatman :P 21:51 Nosrick D: 21:51 DonBatman Just kidding 21:51 DonBatman They are most likely enoying your mod and trying everything they can 21:51 Nosrick There's not a huge amount to it, yet. An hour, maybe. 21:51 nm0i hi 21:52 Nosrick Hey! 21:52 DonBatman hi 22:01 Nosrick_ Anyone feel like doing some testing? :P 22:02 betterthanyou710 sure 22:02 betterthanyou710 im bored 22:02 betterthanyou710 need somethin? 22:02 Nosrick_ Yeah, I'd love it if you could give me a bit of feedback on my mod. 22:04 Nosrick_ https://github.com/Nosrick/MoMTest 22:07 shamoanjac id like to test ur mom :^) 22:08 Nosrick_ I walked right into that one. 22:11 Megaf !server Megaf 22:11 Megaf bot? 22:11 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 30003 22:12 shamoanjac rip 22:12 Megaf 2016-08-20 19:07:05: ERROR[CurlFetch]: servers.minetest.net/announce not found (Failed binding local connection end) (response code 0) 22:12 Megaf and I got that in my server 22:26 nm0i !help 22:26 MinetestBot https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/COMMANDS.md 22:27 Nosrick_ Oh, for anyone trying my mod; you need to type /wizard to get set up, and then build a Font of Magic. 22:27 Megaf !server Megaf 22:27 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms 22:27 nm0i !seen Megaf 22:27 MinetestBot nm0i: megaf was last seen at 2016-08-20 22:27:46 UTC on #minetest 22:28 sfan5 whats this magic 22:28 sfan5 why did minetestbot time out 22:28 sfan5 but my bouncer did not 22:33 Megaf how do I use ccache? 22:33 nm0i CC=ccache ? 22:34 Megaf that's the first thing I tried... 22:35 Megaf but it fails 22:35 Megaf I have several compilers installed, maybe ccache is using the wrong one 22:36 nm0i Try to symlink right ones to ccache 22:37 DonBatman sfan5 your bot was kicked for spamming chat 22:37 nm0i like `ln -s /usr/bin/ccache ~/bin/gcc` or something 22:37 sfan5 DonBatman: i'm not talking about that 22:38 DonBatman Ok 22:38 nm0i Megaf: also check if `ccache -s` says everything you expect 22:39 Megaf /usr/bin/cc and /usr/bin/c++ 22:39 Megaf these are the compielr I want ccache to use 22:40 Fixer_ "Microsoft Has Broken Millions Of Webcams With Windows 10 Anniversary Update" 22:41 Fixer_ aw yeas 22:41 Fixer_ soo good 22:42 nm0i that'd be something like `lns -s /usr/bin/ccache ~/bin/cc;ln -s /usr/bin/ccache ~/bin/cxx;PATH="~/bin:$PATH" make CC=cc CXX=cxx` 22:44 Megaf I give up of this thing 22:44 nm0i Sorry 22:44 nm0i It might fail for no obvious reasons because of your compiller versions, too. 22:55 betterthanyou711 #minetest-edutech 22:55 betterthanyou711 Oops 22:56 betterthanyou711 OldCoder does it matter if i said it here by accident 22:56 Megaf nm0i: echo 'export PATH="/usr/lib/ccache:$PATH"' | tee -a ~/.bashrc &&source ~/.bashrc && echo $PATH 22:56 Megaf that worked 22:56 Megaf no links needed 22:56 Megaf $ which g++ gcc 22:56 Megaf /usr/lib/ccache/g++ 22:56 Megaf /usr/lib/ccache/gcc 22:56 nm0i because your distro have them set up in /urs/lib/ccache :P 22:57 nm0i oh 22:58 nm0i May be it dislikes cxx btw, I forgot 22:58 Megaf because Debian is good :) 22:58 Megaf not very good, just good 22:58 nm0i Nah 22:59 nm0i http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/operating-systems/os-suck 22:59 Megaf agaran: I updated the engine and subgame on my server, didnt update the mods yet, can you check later if things look ok please? 23:00 Megaf nm0i: I don't have any RAM left now to open a browser xP 23:00 Megaf make -j 16 using all ram 23:00 nm0i Now you have to learn how to pipe ccache into distcc 23:00 * nm0i hides 23:01 Megaf you do the opposite 23:01 Megaf nm0i: any compiler machine will make distcc use ccache 23:01 Megaf instead of using ccache on the "master" 23:01 nm0i I ment that 23:07 Megaf Windows 95 doesn't suck, it blows. 23:07 Megaf lol 23:07 Megaf LMAO 23:07 Megaf Eunice sucks so bad Larry Wall made special mention of it. 23:12 Megaf nm0i: failed to build, some weird errors 23:13 Megaf will just use clang 3.8... 23:16 nm0i Megaf: linking may fail separately from building 23:19 Megaf it fail building