Time  Nick            Message
01:42 kaen            is there a way to get an entity by an ID from lua somehow? I'm trying to store some sort of reference to an entity between server stop/start, and ideally I'd like to just store an id, but I can't find anything like ObjectRef.get_by_id(x) which I'd need in order to vivify it after a restart
02:09 kaen            ah... looks like object IDs aren't even stable between runs?
02:26 kaen            yep, definitely looks like I have to invert the ownership, I'll have each entity store its game object's id in the static data and fixup the reference when it's activated I suppose
02:26 kaen            thanks #minetest :v
03:54 sofar           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZTCEO0gvLo
09:21 twoelk          proctologic: the .world format is a worldpainter intern command. Neither Minecraft or Minetest can read it. You will have to open the file with WorldPainter and export the file to a MC world-save file. Then you can use some Minetest tools to convert it to a format that Minetest can read.
09:33 Wuzzy           hoooollllyyy shite!!11!
09:34 Wuzzy           did paramat seriously just greenlight mobs in Minetest Game?!?!?!
09:34 Wuzzy           https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1253
09:35 Krock           that's the opinion of one mtgame dev
09:35 Krock           but we finally need a mod API that does not cause this problem: https://xkcd.com/927/
09:36 Krock           *mob API
09:43 Krock           Darcidride, what's going on?
09:55 kaen            bad mob api is caused by a bad underlying entity api imo
09:57 kaen            that and I guess the inherent wonkiness with CSP since mods can't run code on the client
11:32 Megaf           !server Megaf
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11:32 Megaf           6ms :)
13:27 shamoanjac      if any of you server admins is interested https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=15352
13:34 Fixer           nice
13:37 Krock           shamoanjac, chunks are 5^3 * 16^3 nodes or 5^3 blocks
13:37 Krock           wrong naming
13:41 shamoanjac      thanks Krock, I've just updated it
13:41 Krock           wow, that was quick
13:42 Krock           but the whole code uses "chunk"
13:43 shamoanjac      I know
13:44 shamoanjac      quick question, what's the sed option to edit the file?
13:45 Krock           and factions.get_faction_list()'s code can be shortened to   return table.copy(factions.factions)
13:45 shamoanjac      instead of just displaying the modified output
13:45 * Krock         is a windows user 8)
13:45 shamoanjac      :(
13:46 Nosrick__       Wahey, I got True Light working.
13:46 Nosrick__       So I've now got a non-player effects API.
13:48 shamoanjac      woops I deleted everything
13:48 shamoanjac      thanks sed
13:49 T4im            shamoanjac: "-ibackup"
13:49 T4im            edits in place and makes a backup :P
13:50 shamoanjac      thanks
13:50 shamoanjac      I have undone the commit already
13:53 Fixer           backup is life
13:57 shamoanjac      Krock, I have update the sources
13:58 Krock           +d
13:58 Krock           :)
13:58 Nosrick__       shamoanjac: the 8ch server that's using factions got griefed to shit.
13:58 Nosrick__       Someone got grumpy that it wasn't working perfectly and went mental.
13:58 shamoanjac      Xenos? I know
13:59 Nosrick__       Yeah, what a bum.
13:59 shamoanjac      I must say, there were also some minor bugs which didn't allow claiming
13:59 shamoanjac      well, which didn't allow getting power
13:59 shamoanjac      apparently people left the 8chan server
13:59 Fixer           Wuzzy: hi, can you look more at tsm_mines, profiler data suggests it is kinda slow
14:00 shamoanjac      that's why I uploaded the factions mod to the forums even though it is unfinished
14:00 shamoanjac      to get people testing it
14:00 Nosrick__       Ah, good plan.
14:00 Nosrick__       I wasn't sure if you were still in that thread.
14:00 Nosrick__       The 8ch one, I mean.
14:00 shamoanjac      yes, I posted as 125b62
14:00 shamoanjac      a couple times
14:00 Fixer           shamoanjac: what is goal in factions?
14:01 shamoanjac      I waded through 250 posts complaining about the lack of rules or the fact that Xenos got kicked/banned
14:01 Wuzzy           Fixer: well, i am not good in mapgen stuff, sorry. this was a fork
14:01 shamoanjac      Fixer, the goal is to implement groups of players which can declare war on each other
14:01 Nosrick__       Hey Wuzzy, I extended your playereffects API, I hope you don't mind.
14:01 shamoanjac      as well as having a way to share protected territory
14:02 Wuzzy           can I see the result?
14:02 Nosrick__       Of course!
14:02 Nosrick__       It's pretty rough, to be honest, but it works.
14:03 Nosrick__       https://github.com/Nosrick/MoMTest
14:03 Nosrick__       It's in api/extensions
14:03 Wuzzy           so, what did you add?
14:03 Nosrick__       Just the ability for entities to have effects on them, too.
14:04 Wuzzy           cooooool
14:04 Wuzzy           my mod must have it...
14:04 Nosrick__       Feel free to take it!
14:04 Wuzzy           but i am just not into the playereffects mod anymore :////
14:04 Wuzzy           at least not for now
14:04 Wuzzy           shit shit shit there is so much to do xD
14:04 Nosrick__       Well, if you ever get back into it, feel free to hit me up and merge my code into yours.
14:05 Wuzzy           yea
14:05 Wuzzy           do u have other plans with your mod?
14:05 Nosrick         Plenty!
14:06 Nosrick         I'm adding a whole 4X-type gameplay.
14:06 Wuzzy           i mean regarding to playereffects
14:06 Nosrick         gameplay system*
14:06 Nosrick         Ah, I'm not sure.
14:06 Nosrick         I think that's all I need to do.
14:06 Wuzzy           4x gameplay? with first person perspective? seems odd.
14:06 Wuzzy           i.e. you only control 1 person at once
14:07 Wuzzy           which is “you”
14:07 Nosrick         Yeah, you'll have an army/heroes following you around.
14:07 Nosrick         Maybe be able to give commands by speaking to them./
14:08 Wuzzy           yeah, but this sounds more like rpg instead of 4x. 4x is subgenre of strategy
14:08 Nosrick         It's based on Master of Magic, a 1993 4X game.
14:08 Nosrick         My mod is based on it, I mean.
14:09 Wuzzy           but hardly in gameplay, i suppose
14:09 Wuzzy           or how exactly would you clone the turn based aspect?
14:11 Wuzzy           okay just explain me what the player is supposed to *do* in your game
14:12 Nosrick         Research spells, summon dudes, kill dudes, build your city (you'll probably only have one), cast spells, that sort of thing.
14:12 Nosrick         Not going to try and include the turn-based aspect.
14:13 Nosrick         Oh! And hire heroes.
14:15 Wuzzy           Is it multiplayer? i.e you play *against* other players?
14:17 Nosrick         Or with!
14:17 Wuzzy           sounds interesting
14:17 Nosrick         So yeah, it'll be multiplayer.
14:17 Nosrick         I've got mana, casting, summoning and non-player effects so far.
14:17 Wuzzy           yay mana
14:18 Wuzzy           i knew it was going to kick off sooner or later
14:18 Nosrick         How so?
14:18 Wuzzy           cuz its such an useful concept
14:18 Nosrick         That's true, it is.
14:18 Nosrick         But I'm using my own mana system, rather than the one you made. Sorry. :P
14:18 Wuzzy           makes certain powerful player actions *possible*, but at a price
14:19 Wuzzy           whats the difference?
14:19 Nosrick         Actually very little, but I wrote my mana API before I found yours.
14:20 Wuzzy           LOL
14:20 Nosrick         Yeah... Woops!
14:20 Wuzzy           Not Invented Here... lol
14:20 Wuzzy           thats why I wrote a new wiki page in dev wiki
14:20 Nosrick         If you look at manaManager.lua in the repo, you can see it.
14:21 Wuzzy           that will start to become painful when mods want to interact with each other :(
14:21 Nosrick         Yeah, I've considered porting to yours, to be honest.
14:22 agrecascino     shamoanjac have you seem the thread?
14:22 agrecascino     seen*
14:22 Wuzzy           here is the wiki page: http://dev.minetest.net/Mod_interoperability
14:22 Wuzzy           if you know of any API or other important mod which is supposed to be *used* by other mods, add it on this page
14:22 Wuzzy           or just say it here
14:23 Wuzzy           sadly, it is still a common thing that people try to implement APIs which already exist long time ago...
14:24 Nosrick         I think I might actually use your mana API.
14:25 Wuzzy           thats a relief. less chaos
14:25 shamoanjac      yes agrecascino
14:25 shamoanjac      what the hell happened
14:26 shamoanjac      from what I read, Xenos went to the far side of the spectrum and started annoying everyone
14:26 agrecascino     They think i'm xenos, want a new server with ALL DA RULES, and are doing some really autistic shit
14:29 Nosrick         Is it bad style to register ABMs?
14:31 Nosrick         That's what I use for mana ticking from certain blocks.
14:36 blerttt         any good mods that add sounds and music?
14:37 Nosrick         Wuzzy, take a look at my mana API, and see if it measures up to yours. :P
14:38 Wuzzy           ok first complaint: way too much globals
14:39 Darkside_       !mod ambience
14:39 Nosrick         Yeah, I think I'll use get/setters.
14:39 Wuzzy           ?
14:39 Wuzzy           just use local...
14:40 Nosrick         getMana, setMana, etc.
14:40 Nosrick         And have locals that can't be accessed outside of the file.
14:40 Wuzzy           yes
14:40 Wuzzy           imo this is bug reason number 1. forgetting to use local
14:40 Wuzzy           Lua bug reason number 2 are misspellings
14:41 Darkside_       https://github.com/tenplus1/ambience
14:41 Nosrick         Yeah, I know that one. :P
14:41 Wuzzy           sadly those bugs happen because lua is so permissive
14:41 Nosrick         Yeah, I wish it was a bit grumpier.
14:41 Wuzzy           and why the fuck, globals are default? thats stupid :(
14:41 Wuzzy           90% of variables I need have to be local
14:41 Nosrick         PHP does the same thing, sometimes.
14:42 Wuzzy           you dont want me to get started about php
14:42 Wuzzy           Lua is a very greatly designed language ... compared to PHP
14:42 Wuzzy           and this is not difficult
14:43 Wuzzy           I have even installed Luachecker just to get rid of the embarrassing “accidental global” errors
14:43 Nosrick         No it is not. :P
14:44 Nosrick         I might get LuaChecker.
14:44 Wuzzy           i had couple of times forgotten to local S... you know... the S from inttlib boilerplate
14:45 Wuzzy           so if intllib does not work for some mod for some reason, its probably because “local S” is missing
14:45 Nosrick         Ah, so THAT'S what S is for.
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15:53 agrecascino     >tfw you trash your main btrfs partition by accident
16:03 Nosrick         Wuzzy, you still about?
16:03 Wuzzy           about what?
16:03 Nosrick         Just wondering if you're still here.
16:04 Nosrick         I just realised I might not be able to use your mana API, as I'm going to have a research and casting skill API, too.
16:04 Wuzzy           and what does this mean?
16:05 Nosrick         Research for researching spells, casting skill for how much mana you can use in one go.
16:06 Nosrick         I'll need to be able to change mana regen on the fly.
16:06 Wuzzy           mana.setregen???
16:07 Nosrick         Does that change it for all players, or just one?
16:08 Nosrick         Ah, looking at the API, I found the answer.
16:09 Wuzzy           lol
16:10 Wuzzy           feels great to answer your own questions, right? xD
16:10 Wuzzy           what other features do you want from a Good Mana API(TM)?
16:11 Nosrick         I'm not sure. I'll try putting your mana API into my mod, and see what happens.
16:30 Nosrick         Wuzzy: your API causes my Minetest to slow down quite considerably.
16:30 Wuzzy           really?
16:30 Wuzzy           weird...
16:30 Nosrick         Yeah, it takes ~250ms per step.
16:31 Wuzzy           what settings did u use?
16:31 Wuzzy           default ones?
16:31 Wuzzy           if you could do a mod profiling for me I would appreciate it very much
16:31 Nosrick         Yeah, default settings.
16:32 Nosrick         How do I profile?
16:32 Wuzzy           never mind
16:32 Wuzzy           you might consider increasing the “mana tick”
16:33 Wuzzy           set with mana_regen_timer in minetest.conf
16:33 Wuzzy           this is a global interval for all mana updates
16:34 Wuzzy           I added this settings for cases where performance is key
16:34 Wuzzy           default is 0.2 which might be too low for you
16:34 Nosrick         Do I just put it in the main minetest.conf, or do I put one in the mana mod folder?
16:35 Wuzzy           minetest.conf...
16:35 Wuzzy           oh, i just noticed the mod might benefit from settingtypes.txt lol
16:35 Wuzzy           try mana_regen_timer=1
16:36 Wuzzy           but beware this affects the mana regen speed of all players
16:36 Nosrick         Yeah, that's fine.
16:36 Wuzzy           just do some calculations
16:36 Nosrick         I did mana_regen_timer = 12, but that's not made a difference.
16:37 Wuzzy           o_O
16:37 Wuzzy           this should cause all players to regen mana only every 12
16:37 Wuzzy           seconds.
16:37 Wuzzy           if NOT, then its a bug
16:39 Nosrick         IT's mana_reger_timer. I put mana_regen_TIME
16:39 Nosrick         Because I'm dumb.
16:39 Nosrick         :B
16:40 Nosrick         Nah, that doesn't work either.
16:43 Wuzzy           so does every player regen mana every 0.2 seconds???
16:43 Wuzzy           may I see your minetest.conf?
16:44 Nosrick         https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/762c0c55455cdefa48b78b6c4d83c651
16:45 Wuzzy           weeeeiird
16:45 Wuzzy           btw your minetest.conf is very small. lol
16:46 Nosrick         That's just what's there. :P
16:47 Nosrick         I'm going to write a generic interface for my mana system and yours, so you can use either.
16:48 Wuzzy           ...
16:49 Wuzzy           first i need to check if i can reproduce your issue
16:53 Wuzzy           i am not really happy with your idea either. this means that mods now have to support two mods at once... <_<
16:54 Nosrick         No they don't, since it'll be a generic interface.
16:54 Nosrick         Wait, yes they do, you're right, sorry.
16:54 Wuzzy           okay, that makes 3 APIs... xD
16:55 Nosrick         Writing my generic interface just means that I have a soft dependency on you, rather than a hard one.
16:55 Wuzzy           would you care to help me in trying to debug my mod?
16:55 Nosrick         Of course!
16:56 Wuzzy           nice
16:57 Nosrick         Just tell me what you need me to do, and I'll help out.
16:57 Wuzzy           ok at first could you check you are 100% sure its my mod that causes it
16:57 Wuzzy           you could do this my ie. writing a tiny test mod or something like this
16:58 Wuzzy           also, the minetest.conf you sent me... where did you put it?
16:59 Nosrick         It's in the main minetest folder.
16:59 Nosrick         And it's definitely your mod; I tried it on its own.
16:59 Wuzzy           can you send me your test code plz?
17:01 Nosrick         I didn't write any test code; just activated your mod, with a custom minetest.conf
17:01 Nosrick         Changing the value in the code works!
17:03 Wuzzy           uh-oh
17:05 Wuzzy           ok i look into it just give me 15 min or so
17:06 Nosrick         Sure thing!
17:08 Wuzzy           wellllll
17:08 Wuzzy           on my side, my player regens 1 mana per 12 seconds
17:09 Wuzzy           shit. i thought is it going to be easy :(
17:09 Wuzzy           and on your side, the mana regens every 0.2 seconds, right?
17:09 Wuzzy           or just very fast?
17:10 Wuzzy           ok are you sure you have used the correct minetest.conf? maybe there is some other minetest.conf lying around which overwrites the main one
17:10 Wuzzy           like a subgame minetest.conf or whatever. not sure
17:13 Nosrick         Let me check...
17:13 Nosrick         I'll find all the minetest.confs I have.
17:13 Nosrick         And put the line in all of them. :P
17:13 KaadmY          Nosrick: on linux "locate minetest.conf"
17:13 Nosrick         I'm on Windows.
17:13 KaadmY          oh
17:13 Wuzzy           uh-oh.... uh-oh ---------
17:13 Calinou         it's in your installation folder if run-in-place
17:14 Calinou         if not, %APPDATA%\Minetest I guess
17:14 Wuzzy           i just deleted my mana regen setting from 12 to --not present--
17:14 Wuzzy           but...
17:14 Wuzzy           now comes the fun part
17:14 Wuzzy           my mana regens every 12 seconds!!!!
17:14 Wuzzy           wtf
17:14 Wuzzy           where does my mod get even the 12 seconds from?
17:15 Wuzzy           weiiiiird
17:15 Nosrick         WTF
17:15 Wuzzy           hey the luacmd mod is awesome
17:16 Wuzzy           trololo now I guess I have to to grep my entire .minetest for mana_regen_timer
17:16 Wuzzy           could take  a while :)
17:17 Wuzzy           Yes, WTF indeed. XD
17:18 Wuzzy           it seems something has saved the number 12 somewhere and now it is read always when I load the world...
17:19 Wuzzy           fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
17:20 Wuzzy           my grep found nothing in .minetest :-((
17:20 Nosrick         That's totally bizarre.
17:20 Wuzzy           oh. thats interesting...
17:20 Wuzzy           i just restarted minetest, now mana regens at default rate. XD
17:22 Wuzzy           oops
17:22 Wuzzy           welll
17:23 Wuzzy           it seems minetest really doesnt like it when i edit minetest.conf while its running
17:23 Nosrick         Is it possible to load from a mod.conf?
17:23 Wuzzy           no
17:23 Nosrick         Ah, damn.
17:23 Wuzzy           mod.conf is only metadata as far i know
17:23 Wuzzy           also, what would be the point?
17:23 Nosrick         Fair point, I suppose.
17:24 Wuzzy           okay, i think the reason why I could seemingly “reproduce” the bug was because I edited minetest.conf too hastily, while MT was running
17:24 Wuzzy           and probably I had 2 minetests open at once... veeeery bad for minetest.conf XD XD XD
17:24 IhrFussel       Anything I can do against a player who threatens to DDos my server?
17:24 Nosrick         Block their IP on your router?
17:24 Wuzzy           lol
17:25 Wuzzy           D!!!!DoS
17:25 IhrFussel       It's a v server..so iptables it is i guess
17:25 Nosrick         DISTRIBUTED
17:25 Nosrick         HURR
17:25 Nosrick         Sorry.
17:26 sfan5           IhrFussel: nothing
17:26 IhrFussel       Well if it's just one computer there should be a way
17:27 Wuzzy           D!!!!DoS
17:27 IhrFussel       I don't think the player controls a bot net
17:27 Wuzzy           aaah, you dont believe
17:27 sfan5           well then it's a DoS
17:27 sfan5           without the second D
17:27 IhrFussel       Well the player said "DDos" maybe he doesn'T know the difference
17:28 sfan5           ok here's my advice:
17:28 sfan5           don't do anything
17:28 IhrFussel       He seems to be young too like "give me free diamonds or i DDos this server"
17:28 Wuzzy           lololololo
17:28 sfan5           it's an empty threat
17:28 Wuzzy           this is comedy gold
17:28 Wuzzy           or is it comedy mese?
17:29 Nosrick         Tell him to go for it
17:29 Nosrick         And if he does it you'll report him to the FBI
17:29 IhrFussel       Can one computer shutdown a v server?
17:29 Nosrick         Because you have his IP address
17:29 Nosrick         Not likely, no.
17:36 Wuzzy           ok Nosrick, sorry but it looks like i actually was unable to reproduce it on my machine... for now.
17:36 Nosrick         Weird. :S
17:38 Wuzzy           lesson learned: never try to change minetest.conf while MT is still open...
17:38 Wuzzy           especially not when it is open twice xD
17:39 Wuzzy           can you try to reproduce your issue on a new world?
17:40 Wuzzy           maybe just with Minetest Game + mana, nothing else?
17:41 Nosrick         Yeah, sure.
17:43 Nosrick         Yup, I have to reboot my Minetest for it to take the new value.
17:43 Nosrick         It reads the minetest.conf at boot, by the looks of it.
17:44 Nosrick         I might write a mod settings API. :P
17:44 Wuzzy           ?!?!
17:44 Wuzzy           we don't need an API for everything... lol
17:44 Nosrick         APIs EVERYWHERE!
17:44 Krock           we need an API to make APIs
17:44 Nosrick         YEESSS
17:45 Wuzzy           yo dawg I herd u liek Lua, so I wrote a wrapper, so you can API while you API...
17:45 Wuzzy           and sure thing. minetest.setting_get is WAY too complicated. ;-)
17:46 Wuzzy           wait, Nosrick... are you now suddenly unable to reproduce your own bug????
17:47 Wuzzy           if you just edit the setting while minetest is not running?
17:48 Krock           oh yes, shorten minetest.setting_get to mt.gs("setting here")
17:48 Krock           much better, less typing
17:49 Wuzzy           local mt={};mt.gs=minetest.setting_get -- Done! :P
17:49 Nosrick         I can reproduce the bug; just edit the minetest.conf while minetest is running (in the menu is fine, too)
17:49 Krock           it's even possible to automatize this shortener
17:50 Krock           like, writing a function to shorten it. Then put that one on top of each .lua file you have
17:50 Wuzzy           Nosrick.... duuuuuuuuuude
17:50 Krock           Nosrick, it will overwrite the settings on close
17:50 Nosrick         Huh.
17:51 Krock           "d"..("u"):rep(15).."de"
17:51 Hijiri          Krock: player_monoids is an API API
17:51 Hijiri          even though it's not called that
17:51 Krock           \o/ WOHOO profit!
17:51 Wuzzy           Nosrick: that means you just figured out why the setting doesnt work. this means you can now use the mana mod!!
17:52 Wuzzy           APInception
18:04 agrecascino     shamoanjac, they want a new server
18:18 IhrFussel       I disabled ICMP entirely now...should be harder to attack my server now
18:42 Guest98561      tell me how to overcome error when running minetest:$ minetest 2016-08-14 21:32:11: warning[Main]: unrecognized set debug_log_level; max.minetest: /build/minetest-UurSbT/minetest-0.4.14+Repack/src/journal.CPP:199: void logger::addOutputMaxLevel(ILogOutput*, level): assertion `Leo < LL_MAX failed.Emergency stop
18:47 agaran          how one can explain that during just walking I suddenly got teleported to -inf, y,z where y/z remained correct ?
19:00 pyco_           hello
19:00 pyco_           hello
19:01 pyco_           hello
19:01 sfan5           pyco_: hello
19:01 pyco_           hi sfan5
19:02 pyco_           do you now the path to the consol code
19:02 pyco_           ??
19:04 pyco_           do you now sfan5
19:05 sfan5           the code that opens the console window?
19:05 pyco_           yep
19:07 pyco_           ??
19:07 sfan5           well there's no such code if you see it directly
19:10 sfan5           pyco_: are you using MSVC for compiling?
19:11 sfan5           pyco__: are you using MSVC for compiling?
19:11 dzho            dang, IhrFussel is gone
19:11 dzho            http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/22711/is-it-a-bad-idea-for-a-firewall-to-block-icmp/22713#22713
19:12 pyco__          i didn't compile minetest yet
19:12 sfan5           i suggest first setting up a compilter
19:12 sfan5           -t
19:13 pyco__          i am searching the console code to delet it and then i will compile  the game
19:15 sfan5           there's no console code
19:15 sfan5           you need to configure this in the settings when compiling
19:17 pyco__          ahhh ok
19:31 shamoanjac      agrecascino, I saw that in the thread
19:32 shamoanjac      thanks Xenos
19:33 shamoanjac      I see tons of screenshoots though
19:33 shamoanjac      where are they from?
19:35 Nosrick         Hey Wuzzy, guess what? :D
19:36 Wuzzy           what?
19:36 Nosrick         My mod now works with both of our mana APIs.
19:37 Nosrick         Seamlessly!
19:37 Wuzzy           well, that was pointless...
19:37 Nosrick         Yup!
19:37 Wuzzy           why do you need 2 mana apis? o_O
19:37 Nosrick         But a fun challenge.
19:37 Nosrick         I don't; I'm just challenging myself to something I've never done before.
19:38 Nosrick         My mod also has quite a few dependencies, so any I can turn into soft dependencies is great.
19:43 Nosrick         I only have one more Common Life spell to implement, then that's the lot of them!
20:36 shamoanjac      agrecascino,
20:38 DoyleChris      is there a way to move a whole stack (99) from one technic machine.
20:39 DoyleChris      instead of one at a time
20:39 T4im            yes, take it out from the inventory
20:39 T4im            but that's about it then
20:40 DoyleChris      well automated
20:40 T4im            2 clu's are faster than one though, if that helps
20:40 DoyleChris      but power usage goes up
20:41 T4im            btw there is also #minetest-technic
20:41 DoyleChris      i keep getting a error and i know its the machines getting overloaded
20:41 DoyleChris      there is
20:42 DoyleChris      or tubes getting overloaded
20:48 Nosrick         Man formspecs are super confusing.
20:48 thePalindrome   How so?
20:48 shamoanjac      formspecs must die
20:48 Nosrick         Their definitions are kin of hard to read at first.
20:48 Nosrick         kind of*
20:49 shamoanjac      fortunately rubenwardy made us a nice mod/api for formspecs
20:49 thePalindrome   imo they are only hard to read if you don't space it out :P
20:51 agrecascino     shamoanjac, ?
20:51 shamoanjac      so what's happening right now?
20:52 * thePalindrome is waiting for oldcoder to wake up so he can get his code and fix it :P
20:52 shamoanjac      are people on the server or did they flee to other ones?
20:52 thePalindrome   ?
20:53 agrecascino     shamoanjac, they haven't fled yet
20:53 shamoanjac      alright
20:53 shamoanjac      what are the issues right now with factions?
20:53 shamoanjac      is Xenos still being Xenos?
20:54 agrecascino     shamoanjac, i don't know
20:54 agrecascino     i accidentally my filesystem
20:54 agrecascino     tso
20:54 agrecascino     so*
20:54 shamoanjac      you what
20:55 agrecascino     shamoanjac, i trashed my btrfs partition
20:55 thePalindrome   oh yeah btrfs
20:55 shamoanjac      uhm
20:55 thePalindrome   Could have gone so well, but being a filesystem they have to keep their mistakes
20:56 shamoanjac      so agrecascino, something needs to be done about the Xenos problem
20:57 shamoanjac      btw there was a good thread on the forum talking about this kind of stuff
20:58 agrecascino     shamoanjac, the thing is, i'm not sure xenos is hacking
20:58 shamoanjac      https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=15287
20:58 shamoanjac      yeah but he's definitely annoying everyone
20:58 shamoanjac      plus he spammed the chat
20:59 agrecascino     shamoanjac, spammed the chat?
20:59 shamoanjac      I mean I maintain my no-rules position (beside cheating and spamming)
20:59 shamoanjac      hold on
20:59 shamoanjac      https://8ch.net/v/res/10379293.html#10389136
21:00 agrecascino     shamoanjac, if i give you admin, could you ban him for spamming?
21:00 agrecascino     i can't do much
21:00 agrecascino     since i'm on a rescue disk
21:00 shamoanjac      alright
21:01 Nosrick         Why is Xenos being such an ass?
21:01 shamoanjac      if you could give me admin + git access it'd be goat for updating the game and fixing stuff
21:01 shamoanjac      because he's 12
21:03 Nosrick         I just don't get the point in griefing.
21:04 agrecascino     Nosrick, it's fun to fuck with people
21:04 shamoanjac      it's funny, and even more so when you get a whole server being pissed at you
21:04 Nosrick         I don't want people being pissed at me.
21:04 Nosrick         Maybe I'm just a carebear.
21:04 thePalindrome   One could argue that'd be better than being a technicolored horse :P
21:04 shamoanjac      you're not an ebin rusemaster
21:04 agrecascino     the server broke
21:05 shamoanjac      w-waa
21:05 shamoanjac      I was just connecting
21:05 agrecascino     something something cant bind to socket
21:05 thePalindrome   The server is likely already running
21:05 agrecascino     i did a killall
21:05 thePalindrome   it can't open that port because something else... that might not work
21:05 shamoanjac      the port is still taken
21:05 thePalindrome   did you just use killall?
21:05 shamoanjac      wait a couple minutes
21:06 thePalindrome   try killalll -9 minetest-server
21:06 shamoanjac      it happens on some systems when close() isn't called
21:06 thePalindrome   :D
21:06 shamoanjac      after a short time the port is freed by the OS
21:06 thePalindrome   ^ i disagree
21:06 thePalindrome   it should return the port immediately on close on a posix system
21:07 shamoanjac      it should
21:07 agrecascino     shamoanjac, OSX never gives it back
21:07 thePalindrome   Did systemd screw that up?
21:07 thePalindrome   :brb: fewd
21:07 shamoanjac      wait a moment, I've said "if close() isn't called:
21:07 agrecascino     holy shit
21:07 agrecascino     Xenos gave up
21:07 shamoanjac      not "if close()" is called
21:07 shamoanjac      really?
21:07 agrecascino     fucking george w bush we won
21:07 thePalindrome   I meant on program exit
21:08 shamoanjac      he gives up on what?
21:08 thePalindrome   This isn't windows :P
21:08 shamoanjac      and why
21:08 shamoanjac      yeah thePalindrome but on my Debian it didn't do that
21:08 agrecascino     oh
21:08 shamoanjac      I developed an HTTP server in C
21:08 agrecascino     minetestserver is running as a parasitic process
21:08 shamoanjac      bare sockets, no BS, no quiche eating
21:08 shamoanjac      and sometimes I closed the server when it hadn't called close()
21:09 shamoanjac      and the port was unavailable for a few minutes
21:11 agrecascino     rip serb
21:13 thePalindrome   just kill -9 it
21:13 thePalindrome   only disk io can stop a SIGKILL
21:13 thePalindrome   the program doesn't even receive it
21:14 T4im            "thePalindrome: it should return the port immediately on close on a posix system" no that would lead to weirdness and is also against the tcp design
21:14 T4im            unless port reuse is set as a flag on the packet
21:15 T4im            "TIME-WAIT - represents waiting for enough time to pass to be sure     the remote TCP received the acknowledgment of its connection     termination request.
21:16 thePalindrome   touche
21:16 thePalindrome   but isn't minetest udp?
21:16 T4im            from rfc793
21:16 T4im            yea, but it might very well mimic certain aspects of it
21:17 T4im            and shamoanjac was actually talking about tcp there :D
21:17 T4im            with the http server
21:18 shamoanjac      yep
21:19 T4im            iirc you could probably override the behavior, like so much, somewhere in /etc
21:19 thePalindrome   naw, that'd be in /proc/sys/net/ipv4
21:19 T4im            yea, but isn't some of that set on init from a config file?
21:20 T4im            systctl.conf I'd guess
21:20 thePalindrome   only if you use systemd
21:20 thePalindrome   yup, systemd
21:20 thePalindrome   So yes, systemd lets you do that
21:20 shamoanjac      reeeee systemd
21:23 Nosrick         Anyone got any tutorials on formspecs?
21:24 shamoanjac      nope
21:24 rubenwardy      http://rubenwardy.com/minetest_modding_book/chapters/formspecs.html
21:24 thePalindrome   ^
21:24 shamoanjac      now yep
21:24 Nosrick         Thank you!
21:31 Nosrick         Welp, doing my first formspec. Wish me luck!
21:34 Megaf           !server Megaf
21:34 MinetestBot     Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/24, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.14-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
21:34 Megaf           Hi everyone
21:34 shamoanjac      hi Megaf
21:34 Megaf           hm, somethings wrong
21:35 Megaf           the bot says my server is up, but I cant ssh to my server all my websites are down
21:35 Megaf           !up mt.megaf.info 30003
21:35 MinetestBot     mt.megaf.info:30003 is up (8ms)
21:35 shamoanjac      I can ping you from my machine
21:36 Megaf           can you give me the IP please?
21:36 shamoanjac      178.79.130.6
21:36 jojoa1997|PC    192.168.1.1
21:36 shamoanjac      lel
21:36 thePalindrome   lol
21:36 Megaf           ok, I'm in, so I have some kind of DNS problem here
21:37 Megaf           weird that I could join IRC at all
21:37 shamoanjac      flush your cache
21:38 Calinou         https://github.com/Thinkofname/steven
21:38 Calinou         Minecraft client (1.10.2) written in Rust, compatible with Minecraft servers
21:39 Megaf           Oo
21:39 Megaf           Oo!
21:39 Megaf           0_0
21:39 Megaf           impressed Megaf is impressed
21:39 thePalindrome   interesting
21:39 thePalindrome   rust is awesome
21:39 shamoanjac      there is some project of a C++ Minecraft server somewhere
21:40 Megaf           Calinou: did you test it yet?
21:40 shamoanjac      this could mean you can now play a libre Minecraft lel
21:40 Calinou         Megaf: yep
21:40 Calinou         it works
21:40 Calinou         compiles easily, with latest Rust nightly (which you can acquire from AUR)
21:40 Calinou         shamoanjac: yes, Cuberite
21:40 Calinou         not compatible with 1.10.2 yet
21:40 Calinou         https://github.com/cuberite/cuberite
21:41 shamoanjac      a shame
21:41 Calinou         the client is quite incomplete too
21:41 Calinou         once you're connected, there is no HUD, you can't place or break blocks, can't open inventory…
21:41 shamoanjac      how does it compare performance-wise?
21:41 Calinou         runs at 60 FPS here
21:41 Megaf           my resolv.conf is empty.weird
21:41 Calinou         my hardware is good though :P
21:41 Calinou         (it's capped at 60 FPS by default)
21:41 shamoanjac      yeah that's what I was going to say
21:41 Calinou         Rust is probably not any faster than Java, if not slower
21:42 Calinou         compilation times are longer than they ought to be too
21:42 thePalindrome   wait, really?
21:42 thePalindrome   Rust is wayy faster than java
21:42 thePalindrome   it's even more secure than java, for several reasons
21:43 thePalindrome   Rust is on par with C for performance
21:43 Megaf           the new language I ths most impressed with is Go
21:43 thePalindrome   The compilation times are because most of the error checking is during compile time
21:43 Megaf           Go is amazing, you can make rather complex stuff with Go and run on a Raspberry Pi Botel B Rev2 (the first generation of Pi)
21:43 thePalindrome   I've heard good things about go
21:44 Megaf           http://git.megaf.info/ <- Writen in Go
21:44 Megaf           !title
21:44 MinetestBot     Megaf: Megaf Server GIT Services
21:44 Megaf           feel free to use it
21:45 Megaf           (It's just a test though)
21:45 Megaf           by the way.
21:45 Megaf           ;; Query time: 8 msec
21:45 Megaf           ;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1)
21:45 Megaf           DNS is back
21:45 Megaf           :)
21:45 thePalindrome   lol
21:46 Megaf           Calinou: but the Minecraft protocol still closed source, right?
21:46 Megaf           How come they are making clients for it?
21:46 thePalindrome   Probably because they don't realize it is
21:50 DoyleChris      quit
21:54 Nosrick         My first formspec works!
21:54 Nosrick         Woop.
21:56 Megaf           well done Nosrick7
21:56 Megaf           contrats
21:56 Nosrick         Now to make the rest of the bugger work.
21:57 thePalindrome   aye
21:57 Nosrick         I'm torn between using an inventory, or an array of image_buttons.
21:58 * Megaf         not sure if he prefers Konqueror or QupZilla and not sure what browser he should use
21:59 thePalindrome   Servo :P
21:59 thePalindrome   naw, that's just a renderer
21:59 thePalindrome   it's not even done yet
21:59 thePalindrome   firefox with e10s enabled :D
22:01 Nosrick         Is there any way to create a formspec using a for loop?
22:01 Nosrick         So I can just iterate a load of buttons into existence.
22:01 Megaf           thePalindrome: I will be testing the Servo browser when it's out
22:02 thePalindrome   Servo is part of firefox
22:02 thePalindrome   *will be
22:06 Megaf           Hangouts dont work well on QupZilla =/ The chat thingy keeps blinking every message
22:07 thePalindrome   Weird
22:07 thePalindrome   Qupzilla?
22:08 Megaf           that's what I wrote
22:08 thePalindrome   Interesting
22:08 * thePalindrome looked it up
22:09 thePalindrome   I do know that servo will make firefox that much faster
22:28 Megaf           [215378.541005] Out of memory in UB 107: OOM killed process 1798 (hhvm) score 0 vm:1013296kB, rss:240648kB, swap:0kB
22:28 Megaf           ouch
22:32 thePalindrome   geez
22:36 Nosrick         So when I open my form, I get the following error: "The inventory list "main" doesn't exist". Why is it trying to access the main inventory?
22:59 Nosrick         Why would get_player_name() return nil when is_player() returns true?
23:01 shamoanjac      ayo agrecascino
23:02 shamoanjac      Nosrick, because the player name is nil :^)
23:02 shamoanjac      (shouldn't happen ever)
23:03 Nosrick         Yeah, I know. It's really weird.
23:03 shamoanjac      is serb kill?
23:04 rubenwardy      Nosrick, code?
23:05 rubenwardy      also, list[...main...] is an inventory slot that uses the main inv list
23:05 rubenwardy      where ... is other things I forget
23:05 rubenwardy      local name = player.is_player and player:get_player_name()  should work
23:06 Nosrick         https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/1404ad0bb4cd5eee85a624b724b010b2
23:06 rubenwardy      tip: entity.is_player and entity:is_player()
23:06 Nosrick         I do that, don't I?
23:07 rubenwardy      in a WET way
23:07 Nosrick         I have no idea what that mean
23:07 Nosrick         s
23:07 rubenwardy      DRY = don't repeat yourself
23:07 Nosrick         Oh, okay.
23:07 rubenwardy      so, it does say "looking for player name"?
23:08 Nosrick         No, it says "Looking for GUID"
23:08 Nosrick         ...and a player's GUID will always be nil.
23:08 rubenwardy      huh?
23:08 Nosrick         So why isn't it dropping into the player one, rather than the entity one?
23:10 rubenwardy      and if you replace is_player and :is_player() with just is_player?
23:11 rubenwardy      that function is defined as:
23:11 rubenwardy      ObjectRef::l_is_player(lua_State *L) {
23:11 rubenwardy      ObjectRef *ref = checkobject(L, 1);
23:11 rubenwardy      lua_pushboolean(L, (getplayer(ref) != NULL));
23:11 rubenwardy      }
23:11 rubenwardy      (minus a few lines)
23:11 rubenwardy      so you are using it correctly
23:12 rubenwardy      I suggest that you don't actually have a player
23:12 rubenwardy      or you're using self instead of self.object again
23:12 Nosrick         It's definitely a player.
23:12 rubenwardy      (I think that was you)
23:12 Nosrick         (It was)
23:12 rubenwardy      where are you getting the entity from?
23:13 rubenwardy      I gtg, will be back in ~15 mins
23:16 Nosrick         Ah, I'm not sure. It's coming from the playereffects API.
23:17 rubenwardy      how do you know it's not just player info, rather than a player ref?
23:17 rubenwardy      really am going now
23:18 Nosrick         You know, I don't know.
23:19 shamoanjac      t. Socrates
23:25 Nosrick         Okay, it's coming from an on_use callback.
23:26 rubenwardy      are you sure?
23:26 rubenwardy      also, <rubenwardy> and if you replace is_player and :is_player() with just is_player?
23:27 rubenwardy      https://gist.github.com/Nosrick/1404ad0bb4cd5eee85a624b724b010b2#gistcomment-1849311
23:28 rubenwardy      reload for updated comment
23:36 Nosrick         Still leads to a nil value.
23:36 Nosrick         Somehow.
23:36 Nosrick         And it's looking for a GUID.
23:37 rubenwardy      did you copy the version with the checks?
23:37 rubenwardy      getpos and get_player_name
23:37 rubenwardy      if you get those messages then there is 0% chance you have a player
23:37 rubenwardy      you are doing something wrong elsewhere
23:37 rubenwardy      I'm also pretty sure already that you don't have a player
23:38 Nosrick         Yeah, I got the "no stuff" messages.
23:38 rubenwardy      then you don't have a player :P
23:38 Nosrick         WTF, man.
23:38 Nosrick         How can a callback pass me something that isn't a player?
23:39 rubenwardy      you're doing something wrong
23:39 rubenwardy      share the code
23:39 Nosrick         IT'S A PLAYER NAME
23:39 rubenwardy      if you don't want to, then you'll need to check the order or parameters
23:39 rubenwardy      :P
23:40 Nosrick         When I print it, it comes out with "singleplayer"
23:40 Nosrick         So unless players print their names, it's a player name.
23:41 rubenwardy      👏
23:41 rubenwardy      🎉
23:43 Hijiri          shamoanjac: /f setspawn crashed it
23:43 arecascino      Hijiri: name on the server?
23:43 arecascino      also
23:43 shamoanjac      thanks Hijiri
23:43 Hijiri          Reimu
23:44 shamoanjac      >>>>>>>>>>>anime
23:44 shamoanjac      /banip Reimu
23:44 Hijiri          not an anime :^)
23:44 arecascino      shamoanjac: sent you the tracebacj
23:44 arecascino      back*
23:44 rubenwardy      implying something's wrong with anime?
23:45 shamoanjac      yeah I've just seen what it was in SP
23:45 arecascino      FUCKING SHIT
23:45 shamoanjac      that's strange since it used to work
23:45 Fixer           rubenwardy: tentacles!
23:45 arecascino      4db088 CREATED A THREAD
23:45 arecascino      SG}ESHHHHHHHDuo;bgjlshdi
23:45 arecascino      RETARDS MAN
23:45 Hijiri          how dare they
23:45 shamoanjac      just don't reply to it
23:47 rubenwardy      fix it using this C++ code: char a='a'; for(long long i=0;true;i+=0xFF){ &a[i]=42; }
23:47 rubenwardy      actually, C even
23:48 thePalindrome   nice meme
23:48 * thePalindrome is surprised he understands that code
23:49 arecascino      pr when?
23:49 shamoanjac      hold on
23:50 rubenwardy      ruben@rubenPC:/tmp$ ./b.out
23:50 rubenwardy      Segmentation fault (core dumped)
23:50 rubenwardy      damn
23:50 rubenwardy      no funny things
23:50 thePalindrome   What does gdb say?
23:50 arecascino      that would segfault?
23:50 thePalindrome   Oh no wait, I know why
23:51 thePalindrome   It segfaults because you only have 1 char :P
23:51 shamoanjac      arecascino, pr
23:51 thePalindrome   It accesses invalid memory once it goes far enough out
23:51 rubenwardy      I was hoping it would get some distance before checking
23:52 thePalindrome   heheh
23:55 Megaf           hm, so I'm using the internet from my phone, tetheting, and my laptops battery will die before my phone, that is new