Time  Nick           Message
00:19 sabino         hi everyone. I'm trying to run mod streets but the minetest find errors
00:20 sabino         link of streets mod: https://github.com/webdesigner97/streets
00:21 DigDub_SD      Hello
00:21 DigDub_SD      I need help
00:21 DigDub_SD      Anyone good with chips? Not eating chips.
00:21 DigDub_SD      Calinou
00:22 DigDub_SD      cheapie? DI3HARD? AnotherBrick? Anyone?
00:23 DigDub_SD      Huh
00:23 AnotherBrick   Really
02:12 Hijiri         wouldn't it be funny if a mod played surprise asmr sounds in someone's ears
02:30 agrecascino    can you read text files in lua?
02:50 mdiehl1        Hello.  I've got mesecons and mobs installed.  What other mods would you recommend in order to compare Minetest w/ minecraft?
03:08 Hijiri         agrecascino: yes
03:08 Hijiri         check the io standard library
03:08 agrecascino    Hijiri, you can read or write to any file?
03:08 Hijiri         you can't read outside the mod and world directories if you're running with mod security enabled
03:09 Hijiri         otherwise you can, as long as you're running as a user who can access those files
03:09 agrecascino    alright
03:09 Hijiri         you can also whitelist a mod to allow dangerous things
03:09 agrecascino    so, if i have a folder named resources
03:09 agrecascino    i can iterate over the text files in there and parse them?
03:09 Hijiri         yes
03:09 agrecascino    alright
03:13 Hijiri         agrecascino: actually I don't see a function to list a directory's contents
03:13 agrecascino    oh
03:13 Hijiri         you can use an os call with ls
03:14 Hijiri         oh, but os calls require your mod to be trusted or have mod security off
03:14 Hijiri         here's a stackoverflow answer: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5303174/how-to-get-list-of-directories-in-lua
03:14 Hijiri         agrecascino: actually minetest provides a function
03:15 Hijiri         minetest.get_dir_list
03:15 Hijiri         (check in lua_api.txt)
03:31 agrecascino    Hijiri, do you know if there is callback for when someone kills someone?
03:31 Hijiri         there isn't
03:32 Hijiri         if you want a good heuristic you can record the time when someone punches someone
03:32 Hijiri         and in a death callback check if it's still the same time (gametime)
03:32 Hijiri         if it is, the punch most likely killed them
03:32 agrecascino    :\
03:32 Hijiri         this won't cover things like projectiles though
03:33 agrecascino    yeah, no
03:33 agrecascino    i need something consistent
03:33 Hijiri         make an issue on github then
03:33 Hijiri         register_on_death callbacks don't carry the cause of death
03:33 Hijiri         punches don't even say who owns the punch, if it's a projectile or something
03:33 agrecascino    wow
03:38 Hijiri         I was thinking of writing a framework for "owned punches", but since you mentioned it I think it should be something in the engine
03:38 Hijiri         agrecascino: are you planning on making an issue? If not, I'll open one
03:39 Hijiri         (for the punches, I'm not sure about the death stuff)
03:39 agrecascino    Hijiri, please do for me
03:51 swift110-phone hmm
03:51 swift110-phone hey guys
03:53 Hijiri         agrecascino: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4405
03:59 agrecascino    thanks.
04:18 agrecascino    Hijiri, is there like an on_tick callback
04:19 agrecascino    or something close?
04:44 Hijiri         agrecascino: yes, check register_on_globalstep
04:44 agrecascino    Hijiri, thanks
04:44 Hijiri         oh, it's register_globalstep
04:55 agrecascino    the lua error output i'm getting makes no sense
05:01 agrecascino    Hijiri, i hooked that callback, and now i'm getting an error that makes no sense whatsoever
05:11 agrecascino    no actually what is going on
05:11 agrecascino    i think i broke minetest's lua interpreter
05:12 agrecascino    help
05:17 Hijiri         agrecascino: paste your error on a paste site
05:17 Hijiri         and your code
05:19 agrecascino    pastebin.com/AAZ8273A
05:20 Hijiri         agrecascino: is that all your code?
05:20 agrecascino    that's the code that's causing it
05:21 Hijiri         how am I supposed to know what factionsmod, factionsmod.data, fanctionsmod.data.factionsmod, etc. are?
05:21 agrecascino    oh
05:22 agrecascino    http://github.com/agrecascino/factions
05:22 Hijiri         thank you
05:23 Hijiri         agrecascino: is that code up to date? I get a different error on startup
05:24 agrecascino    ?
05:24 Hijiri         also do you get your error when pipeworks mod is not installed?
05:24 Hijiri         agrecascino: the code on github
05:24 agrecascino    i just pushed the newest source to github
05:24 Hijiri         ok
05:24 agrecascino    what's the error?
05:24 Hijiri         attempt to concatenate global 'factionsmod_modpath'
05:24 agrecascino    wat
05:24 Hijiri         oh
05:24 Hijiri         it's because your repo name is factions
05:24 Hijiri         and not factionsmod
05:24 agrecascino    oh
05:25 Hijiri         I'll try again
05:25 agrecascino    yeah, i had to change the baseclass name, and used find and replace to do it
05:25 Hijiri         I'm not getting the error
05:25 Hijiri         what triggers it?
05:25 swift110-phone hmm
05:25 Hijiri         oh
05:25 Hijiri         it's not turned on, let me try yet again
05:26 Hijiri         ok, I'm not getting the error
05:26 agrecascino    what the actual fuck
05:26 agrecascino    did you uncomment that line?
05:26 Hijiri         I can't find the file it's in
05:26 Hijiri         with grep -r Uncomment .
05:26 agrecascino    factionsmod.lia
05:27 agrecascino    i added that for pastebin
05:27 agrecascino    it's at line 926
05:27 Hijiri         thanks
05:27 Hijiri         not getting the error
05:28 Hijiri         what is v?
05:29 agrecascino    v is the name of a faction
05:29 Hijiri         I'm not getting an error but there is no v in scope at that line
05:29 agrecascino    wait wut
05:29 agrecascino    yeah you're right
05:29 agrecascino    (wake me up)
05:29 Hijiri         I don't know if that's what's causing the error
05:29 Hijiri         I'm not getting one
05:29 agrecascino    (can't wake up)
05:29 Hijiri         maybe it will help though
05:30 agrecascino    nope
05:30 Hijiri         it's not printing anything, maybe it isn't running for some reason
05:30 agrecascino    fixed it and i still get it
05:30 Hijiri         it prints the loading message
05:30 Hijiri         is that the entire error?
05:30 Hijiri         I can't see how that line would cause a crash in pipeworks
05:31 agrecascino    yes
05:31 agrecascino    that's the entire error
05:31 Hijiri         I enabled (an old version of) pipeworks and I don't get the error
05:32 agrecascino    nice
05:32 Hijiri         agrecascino: Did you try without pipeworks yet?
05:33 agrecascino    alright
05:33 agrecascino    i did
05:33 agrecascino    and it sort of gave me a competent error
05:33 Hijiri         does it help?
05:33 agrecascino    sort of
05:34 Hijiri         you can paste it if you want me to look at it
05:34 agrecascino    alright
05:34 agrecascino    so power is apparently nil
05:34 Hijiri         oh, should I be uncommenting the joinplayer thing too?
05:34 Hijiri         because I didn't uncomment that one
05:34 agrecascino    no
05:34 agrecascino    don't
05:34 Hijiri         ok
05:35 agrecascino    power is nil
05:35 Hijiri         ok
05:35 Hijiri         where does power usually get initialized?
05:35 agrecascino    line 857 on startup
05:37 Hijiri         I think the reasons I am not getting prints and things is because I have no factions
05:38 Hijiri         how do I duplicate your setup?
05:38 agrecascino    let me give you my factionsmod.conf
05:38 Hijiri         ok
05:38 Hijiri         does it have players that should exist
05:39 agrecascino    a.pomf.cat/vevdat.conf
05:40 Hijiri         I'm getting an error at line 925, attempt to call a number value
05:40 Hijiri         apparently get_faction_list is a number
05:40 agrecascino    oh
05:40 agrecascino    hang on
05:40 agrecascino    let me git push the latest version
05:41 agrecascino    there
05:41 Hijiri         ok, got it
05:42 Hijiri         nice memes
05:42 agrecascino    ?
05:42 Hijiri         in the faction list
05:42 agrecascino    oh, that's from players on my server ;)
05:44 Hijiri         well the DuchyOfAbacab has no power set
05:44 agrecascino    oh
05:44 agrecascino    hmmm
05:44 agrecascino    just add it to the conf?
05:44 Hijiri         you could
05:44 Hijiri         was there an older version of factions without power?
05:44 agrecascino    yeah
05:44 Hijiri         maybe that is the problem
05:45 Hijiri         you could tag your configurations with versions and run migrations if they're too old
05:45 Hijiri         or just run the migration one time manually
05:45 Hijiri         there might be other factions missing powers
05:46 Hijiri         or instead of migration you could simply set default fields in deserialization
05:46 Hijiri         or maybe a constructor for factions?
05:46 agrecascino    it seems more than one faction may be missing power
05:47 Hijiri         you should probably refactor some of the things out of load()
05:47 Hijiri         like deserialization
05:53 agrecascino    fixed
05:53 agrecascino    thanks!
05:54 agrecascino    now just hope for no crashes while i'm gone.
05:54 Hijiri         good luck
05:54 Hijiri         glad that the problem was resolved
09:09 MinetestBot    JamesTait: Mar-22 10:34 UTC <sfan5> test
09:09 sfan5          uh yes
09:10 JamesTait      Good morning all!  Happy Thursday, and happy Chocolate Chip Cookie Day! 😁  🍪
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09:55 Krock          everamzah, what do you mean with "for the love of Pete."?
10:44 aix            is there a way to fake the user number on the serverlist?
10:44 Calinou        aix: sure, some servers have done it in the past
10:44 aix            kiddies tend not to join if it's zero
10:44 Calinou        but we can also ban servers from the list :)
10:44 aix            but then neither do normal users
10:44 aix            Calinou: is it worse to "lie" with a higher or a lower value?
10:45 Volkj          >kiddies tend not to join if it's zero
10:45 Volkj          that's more a pro than a con
10:45 Calinou        claiming to have a higher player count than the real one will surely get you in trouble
10:45 Calinou        the inverse, I don't know
10:45 aix            Volkj: i know
10:45 aix            Volkj: but decent users like busy servers too, so that's a con also
10:46 aix            Calinou: can I turn it off entirely?
10:46 aix            hold up i'll just read the example
10:46 Calinou        not sure if you're allowed to hide player count
10:47 Krock          are there any rules for the server list? Haven't seen them yet
10:47 juhdanad       I think some kiddies can become decent users (just they have to learn the game).
10:48 aix            juhdanad: if they don't flame and leave first
10:49 Krock          aix: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/serverlist.cpp#L217-L231
10:49 Krock          you can change that stuff but to make everything right you'd need to extend the client names list too
10:49 aix            eh
10:49 aix            too much effort
10:50 Krock          lol
10:50 Krock          that's just clients_names.push_back("player1234")
10:50 Krock          nothing more ^^
10:50 * Krock        shuts up
10:52 aix            what does full_block_send_enable_min_time_from_building do?
10:53 Krock          the time to update a complete mapblock
10:54 Krock          (used in clientiface.cpp)
10:55 Krock          there's a good description in the .example file
11:03 aix            what if i set it to 0 ?
11:06 Krock          would increase the lag. Better set it to something higher
11:06 Krock          (when you're already thinking to change it)
11:06 aix            how's 2
11:09 Out`Of`Control !server liberty
11:09 MinetestBot    Out`Of`Control: Liberty Land | mt.rbose.org | Clients: 6/50, 3/6 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / ayntest | Ping: 15ms
11:13 aix            what combination of shader options do you use?
11:13 aix            tone mapping is the only one that does anything on its own, but the others mix together in wierd ways
11:14 Krock          1600x818 - wow, that screen is huge
11:17 Out`Of`Control do i have to tweak config moving from 0.4.13 to 0.4.14-dev ?
11:18 Krock          afaik no
11:18 Krock          it's all backwards compatible
11:18 Out`Of`Control ok ty Krock
11:18 Krock          !next
11:18 MinetestBot    Another satisfied customer. Next!
11:27 Calinou        aix: it decreases block sending speed while somebody is building
11:27 Calinou        IMO it's really irrelevant, I suggest setting it to 0
11:27 Calinou        now that we have block placement prediction
11:27 Calinou        !server calinou
11:27 MinetestBot    Calinou: Calinou [Europe/Paris] (survival - minimal mods) | hugo.pro:30002 | Clients: 2/32, 4/7 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 10ms
12:39 shamoanjac     should get_wielded_item() be called with a colon or with a dot?
12:39 shamoanjac     i.e. player:get_wielded_item() vs. player.get_wielded_item()
12:40 shamoanjac     both yield an exception because "get_wielded_item()" is a "nil value"
12:53 shamoanjac     nvm turns out I was calling it on a string and not on an ObjectRef
12:54 Krock          player:get_wielded_item() is identical with player.get_wielded_item(player)
13:03 shamoanjac     what was the way to get a player's ObjectRef from its name?
13:03 shamoanjac     can't find it anymore on the wiki
13:04 shamoanjac     right, found it
13:16 Calinou        !mod spectat
13:17 MinetestBot    Calinou: Spectator Mode [spectator_mode] by jp - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13718
13:22 swift110       sup yall
13:55 Calinou        spectator mode is great to catch griefers :]
13:55 Calinou        already got one this way
13:56 swift110       hey Calinou
13:56 Calinou        also installed travelnets to my server, pretty useful mod
13:57 Calinou        just needs better default textures :P
14:01 Calinou        hahaha, two players joined, went to public mine, and annoyed the miner out there
14:28 agrecascino    shamoanjac, i'm already on
14:29 shamoanjac     oh
14:29 shamoanjac     did you see muh banners
14:29 shamoanjac     now it's just a matter of fixing their look
14:29 shamoanjac     everything else has been figured out
14:30 shamoanjac     https://8ch.net/v/src/1470318205776.png
14:30 shamoanjac     note that there is a banner_support node and a banner atm, but I think I'll just merge them in a single node
14:40 Krock          shamoanjac, http://needsmorejpeg.com/i/eo15.jpeg
14:40 Krock          reduced the file size to 11 kb
14:41 Krock          (from 671 kb)
14:52 shamoanjac     woah Krock
14:53 shamoanjac     thanks for the optimization
14:53 Krock          fancy, eh? no problem for that
14:53 shamoanjac     3>needsmorejpeg.com
14:53 shamoanjac     best page ever I guess
14:54 Krock          you're wrong. this one is better: http://baconsizzling.com/
14:54 shamoanjac     I've just eaten but I'm hungry again :(
14:54 Krock          uhm. baaacooon!
14:54 shamoanjac     there are people who, right now, are paying a domain just to host that
14:55 Krock          bust be a cheap domain
14:55 Krock          *must
15:10 agaran         Hello
15:19 Void7          hi
15:29 shamoanjac     woah Irrlicht can load .bsp files
15:29 shamoanjac     can't wait to import Wolfenstein maps
15:31 Calinou        shamoanjac: yes but Minetest won't read them
15:31 Calinou        but yes, Irrlicht accepts all Q3BSP maps
15:32 shamoanjac     does Minetest read md3 files though?
15:32 shamoanjac     I remember last time I imported a model it only read .x files
15:32 Calinou        Irrlicht supports .md3, but Minetest doesn't
15:33 Calinou        we support .obj, .x, .b3d, .md2
16:09 Krock          !wiki colored chat
16:09 MinetestBot    No such page.
16:16 shangul        can i play on a 0.4.14 server with a 0.4.13 client?
16:19 shangul        how do i save the map while im walking in a server?
16:31 agrecascino    shamoanjac, banner mod done yet?
16:36 shamoanjac     almost
16:36 shamoanjac     I'm having troubles with UV mapping
16:36 shamoanjac     also some c*ck is defending proprietary software in #coolkids
16:36 shamoanjac     gotta defend Stallman
16:37 shangul        is there any minetest bot?
16:39 shamoanjac     agrecascino, add a "reload" command to the factions mod
16:39 shamoanjac     instead of rebooting the server and kicking everyone
16:40 agrecascino    i
16:40 agrecascino    'm offended by that
16:40 shamoanjac     btw when does minetest get inotify support?
16:40 agrecascino    reload is my trigger word
16:40 shamoanjac     lel
17:07 sofar          inotify support? what would that be for?
17:07 sofar          shamoanjac: ?
17:10 galex|713      what is the most used minetest server (of whatever subgame)?
17:10 galex|713      Also what are the most used subgames/mods?
17:10 Krock          minetest_game is the most used one
17:11 Krock          galex|713, also: http://i.imgur.com/FPvAuHi.png
17:12 Krock          (or overall used mods: http://i.imgur.com/2cQxozY.png without regard of player count)
17:13 Krock          or do you need a full list? (could create a pastebin with the current values)
17:15 galex|713      wow
17:15 galex|713      What is wordedit? is there a list of mods and their description somewhere?
17:16 galex|713      Yet what is the most used server?
17:17 Krock          you can find those mods on the forum
17:17 galex|713      oh… ok, you mean nothing sorted/listed
17:17 Krock          or try http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php for fast results
17:18 galex|713      oh cool
17:18 galex|713      Yet, what is the most used server?
17:19 Krock          over all time? No idea. Maybe it's the one from Redcrab, it already existed in Minetest 0.3.x versions
17:19 Krock          *existed back when Minetest 0.3.x was actual
17:20 shamoanjac     sofar, real time config updating
17:20 shamoanjac     useful for mod testing
17:21 shamoanjac     though it's true that I also hold the opinion that node/entity/items definitions should be separated from the lua files
17:21 agrecascino    how to have an entirely secure vnc server
17:21 agrecascino    have no authentication
17:22 sofar          tunnel it entirely
17:22 agrecascino    put login screen after vnc login
17:22 sofar          screen locker?
17:22 agrecascino    yeah
17:22 agrecascino    lightdm
17:22 agaran         agrecascino: not a best idea
17:23 agaran         because other one may highjack session once one logged in..
17:23 agrecascino    well
17:24 galex|713      oh gosh I forgot minetest was so slow ><
17:24 agrecascino    i have it setup so many connections on one port are disparate sessions
17:27 shamoanjac     I present to the Minetest community
17:27 shamoanjac     with a special mention to agrecascino
17:27 shamoanjac     https://a.cocaine.ninja/gkehed.png
17:27 shamoanjac     banners
17:27 shamoanjac     (yes, I'd like to add vertical ones too)
17:28 agrecascino    holy shit!
17:28 agrecascino    that looks really good!
17:29 shamoanjac     I'll fix some minor visual bugs and upload to Github/post on the forum
17:29 agrecascino    shamoanjac, get on the server and scream at everybody
17:29 shamoanjac     lel
17:30 KaadmY         shamoanjac: that pic doesn't work
17:30 KaadmY         "SSL connection error"
17:30 Krock          works here
17:31 shamoanjac     https://8ch.net/v/src/1470331827002.png 6<-- alternate URL
17:32 Krock          00,04+
17:32 shamoanjac     I've drawn national flags but they're not preset, you can create them at will with several basic chapes
17:32 shamoanjac     s/chapes/shapes
17:32 KaadmY         do the flags wave?
17:32 Krock          they can't move. Weather was removed from Minetest
17:33 sofar          should be easily doable
17:33 shamoanjac     no :(
17:33 shamoanjac     yes, I guess, with armature
17:33 sofar          make a flagpole node, entity flag
17:33 shamoanjac     I'll upload the .blend to if someone wants to try
18:26 galex-713      Hi
18:26 galex-713      How do you go down in minetest?
18:26 Krock          hi
18:27 Krock          Shift.
18:27 galex-713      The “sneak” key doesn’t work there :/
18:27 galex-713      Shift doesn’t work neither (redefined sneak to H here, but H doesn’t work)
18:27 Krock          maybe you're colliding with a node below
18:27 galex-713      nope
18:27 galex-713      That's on a ladder I climbed
18:28 Krock          so you have two commands that listen on the key H?
18:28 Krock          or did you re-define the other keys too?
18:28 galex-713      no, redefined everything
18:28 galex-713      To fit on my BÉPO keyboard (it’s like Dvorak but for french)
18:29 Krock          and it doesn't work when you restore the Shift as default?
18:30 galex-713      There's no Shift, only Right Shift and Left Shift
18:30 galex-713      ANd neither do work
18:30 Krock          that's very strange
18:31 galex-713      Also here “3” and “(” (the first being AltGr+4 in qwerty, the second being 4 in qwerty) equals Return here
18:32 galex-713      And it seems to be common to anything using Irrlicht, including Freeminer, voxelands, etc.
18:34 galex-713      Krock: also sneaking *do* work
18:34 Krock          *does
18:35 galex-713      ah yeah
18:35 galex-713      thx
18:35 Krock          I've seen that some keyboards are not (completely) supported by Irrlicht.. we can't do much against this
18:35 Krock          *keyboard layouts
18:37 galex-713      how can a keyboard layout not being supported? O.o
18:38 galex-713      Normally it's not up to the game engine to care about keyboard layout
18:42 agaran         simply, X sends numbers in keyboard event that are representation of keypress/keyrelease, Irrlicht may not know some of them..
18:43 galex-713      you mean keycodes?
18:43 agaran         yup
18:43 galex-713      Keycodes are limited and not related to keyboard layouts
18:43 galex-713      unlike keysyms
18:43 galex-713      which are not numbers but strings
18:44 agaran         so if you now all details, why you are surprised? technically keyboard sends numbers that are translated to keysyms, there is whole evdev layer on way too.. for me it works but I have pretty standard layout
18:46 galex-713      yeah but between bépo and qwerty, most keysyms (like Shift, H, etc.) are common, so using either qwerty or bépo shouldn’t change, that’s why I’m surprised
18:46 galex-713      I’m not suprised when it gives strange names to the “é” letter, but I am when it catch correctly H as “sneak” except for going down
18:49 agaran         I don't know Irrlicht internals, but I am quite sure you can dump events and make sure they as they should be. Also you can peek at events received by x application too, though filtering out junk may be more difficult
18:50 agaran         https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xmodmap maybe there, modifier keys section, can help, define both shift keys to be 'shift' as well ?
18:51 galex-713      X works well, I noticed that Irrlicht understand 3 as 3
18:51 galex-713      Because I can select an item with it
18:51 galex-713      So it’s quite strange
19:05 galex-713      agaran: how do you *learn* how to craft stuff?
19:07 agaran         galex-713: hmm, you don't need to learn that I guess, you put things in crafting box and get things out.. or you have mod improving inventory that adds crafting recipes display/selection
19:08 Krock          there are too many mods and recipes - you can't learn them all
19:09 Krock          recently I had to learn the new fence craft recipe.. haven't used MTG for a long time
19:09 agaran         oh, there is new recipe ? in one after 0.4.14?
19:11 Krock          no idea when it was added
19:11 Krock          *changed
19:11 Krock          maybe somewhen around 0.4.12
19:12 agaran         wood|stick|wood, wood|stick|wood, this one you mean?
19:12 Krock          yes, I remeber this one: stick|stick|stick stick|stick|stick
19:12 agaran         so I only know latter one
19:20 agaran         Krock: do you remember which module was adding some industrial looking steel scaffold?
19:20 Krock          perhaps the scaffolding mod?
19:21 Krock          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=11290
19:21 Krock          "This mod adds Wooden scaffolding and Iron scaffolding to minetest"
19:23 agaran         Krock: hmmm that was one of things I wanted to find too.. :) other I saw on VE server, well I need to dig there too
19:23 Krock          F5 shows you the node name
19:24 Krock          (when pointing at it)
19:28 agrecascino    shamoanjac, you there?
19:28 shamoanjac     yes
19:28 shamoanjac     tell me
19:29 agrecascino    shamoanjac, you want to work on integrating banners with the factions mod?
19:29 shamoanjac     yes
19:29 shamoanjac     I'm going to merge the banner craftitem with a pole node
19:30 shamoanjac     there could be several pole types
19:30 shamoanjac     one could be a claiming pole
19:35 twoelk         like a marker?
19:50 shamoanjac     sorry agrecascino, interwebz connection went down
19:50 agrecascino    f
19:50 agrecascino    shamoanjac, how about having flags of your faction being placed increase your factions power
19:50 shamoanjac     so u wuz sayin
19:50 shamoanjac     maybe
19:51 shamoanjac     I was thinking of using flags as claiming beacons
19:51 agrecascino    shamoanjac, if flags are expensive enough, it could solve problems
19:51 shamoanjac     yes
19:51 shamoanjac     have several tiers of flag poles
19:51 shamoanjac     like
19:51 shamoanjac     wooden pole = merely decorative
19:51 shamoanjac     silver pole = small claim
19:52 shamoanjac     golden pole = large claim
19:52 agrecascino    the issue with flags as claiming beacons is that hide it enough, and no one can get to it
19:52 shamoanjac     diamond pole = increase power
19:52 shamoanjac     did you remember my post about war mechanisms?
19:52 agrecascino    no?
19:53 shamoanjac     basically, the attacking team can just place a beacon/banner/block in your territory, and nothing else
19:53 shamoanjac     the defending team has to destroy the beacon in a certain amount of time, otherwise the chunk in which the beacon was placed is lost
19:54 shamoanjac     the beacon is unrelated to the claiming flag
19:54 agrecascino    im thinking more minecraft factions, where you kill the players on a warring factions borders, and then claim the land on the edge, until done
19:55 shamoanjac     yeah we tried that one on /intcraft/, but in the end people (we) just hid in the castle
19:56 shamoanjac     http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/int-craft/images/8/80/Pleasent_pastures.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20150816221857
19:56 shamoanjac     that was our castle
19:56 shamoanjac     (I made the walls + gates)
19:56 shamoanjac     of course, getting in to kill us was impossible
19:56 agrecascino    how many members in the faction?
19:56 shamoanjac     some12
19:57 agrecascino    hmm
19:57 shamoanjac     then /int/craft switched to the mode I've described
19:57 shamoanjac     and wars worked
19:57 agrecascino    i'm not a fan of the whole beacon thing, but yeah, that's an issue
19:57 shamoanjac     because people couldn't just hide
19:58 shamoanjac     a thing I'd like to see in Minetest is construction blocks being actually hard af to destroy
19:58 agrecascino    how about just making it so warring factions can destroy each others shit
19:58 shamoanjac     9>declare war on everybody
19:58 agrecascino    and make going to way have a costy
19:58 shamoanjac     9>free griefing
19:58 agrecascino    like, a big one
19:58 shamoanjac     uhm
19:59 agrecascino    wait
19:59 shamoanjac     maybe every enemy destroyed block costs X to the attacking faction
19:59 agrecascino    yeah
19:59 agrecascino    or
19:59 shamoanjac     but then the defending faction could just place tons of dirt
19:59 Krock          09>fancy 04colors 09,04eyecancer
20:00 agrecascino    or maybe a combination of your idea and mine, placing a flag in enemy territory making that chunk open to damage
20:00 shamoanjac     9,4don't you 2,13like it, Krock?
20:00 agrecascino    and then, if you kill enough people in the faction, you can take the land
20:01 shamoanjac     yes if the flag is expensive enough
20:01 Krock          04,09I 09,04love 04,09it, 09,04shamoanjac.
20:01 agrecascino    shamoanjac, make the war flag the most expensive flag
20:01 shamoanjac     yeah
20:01 shamoanjac     mandatory black pirate flag
20:01 agaran         Krock: one I was looking for was steel support from streets, used your suggestion :)
20:01 shamoanjac     or have factions design their own war flag
20:02 agrecascino    >everyone makes a confederate battle flag
20:02 shamoanjac     lel
20:02 Krock          agaran, using them for singleplayer worlds now? ^^
20:02 shamoanjac     confederate battle flag is almost possible, but I don't want to add that one star pattern just for one flag
20:03 shamoanjac     though I guess it'd cost nothing anyway
20:03 shamoanjac     also knowing the userbase of /v/ half the warflags would be German Kriegsflagge from 1935-1945
20:04 Krock          the nazi cross?
20:05 shamoanjac     no, the one which is a black Nordic Cross
20:05 shamoanjac     outlined with a white stripe, and then a black stripe
20:05 shamoanjac     black w/ white outlining iron cross in the top left corner
20:06 shamoanjac     black on white swastika in a black outlined circle at the cross intersection
20:06 Krock          Krock->InitializeImagination();
20:06 Krock          Fatal error in line 1
20:06 shamoanjac     really similar to the German warflag from 1870-1919
20:07 shamoanjac     https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse4.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.Mbb1071b5ac65d63756cf56e7dcdc50b9o0%26pid%3D15.1&f=1
20:07 Krock          Ah I see
20:07 Krock          found the same image over ddg about 30s ago :3
20:07 shamoanjac     welp it's even more complex than what I recorded
20:07 shamoanjac     lel
20:08 Krock          too funny. duckduckgo loads an image from bing, which is surely hosted somewhere else
20:08 Krock          3rd party content \o/
20:08 shamoanjac     yep
20:08 agrecascino    searching a search engine
20:08 agrecascino    now that's meta
20:08 agaran         Krock: yep only, but thats because I wanted to find something that fits not to make it. Still working on that cables..
20:09 agaran         local vm = VoxelManip()
20:09 agaran         local MinEdge, MaxEdge = vm:read_from_map(pos, pos)
20:09 agaran         anyone knows if I load node this way, it will get normally flushed off memory when not used/near player, or I need manually free it somehow?
20:10 shamoanjac     https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ft11.deviantart.net%2FFSUsRBQ8RQY82XyalYCQ-r1eCpM%3D%2F300x200%2Ffilters%3Afixed_height%28100%2C100%29%3Aorigin%28%29%2Fpre15%2Fceb4%2Fth%2Fpre%2Ff%2F2015%2F176%2Fe%2Ff%2Falternate_colonial_american_flag_by_andrewtodaro-d8wj6du.jpg&f=1
20:10 shamoanjac     toplel
20:10 Krock          agaran, it reads the data into a new array, so there's nothing to free
20:11 Krock          well, that data variable should be deleted after a while to prevent memory overflow, yes.
20:11 agaran         Krock: yep, but I mean, if that (voxel manip) causes node to get loaded, if it is some enforced load, thus I need somehow free it later, or not.. but I'll check probably, need reliable way to reload structure after server restart..
20:11 XtremeHacker   Hi swift110
20:12 XtremeHacker   I decided to dev on (K)ubuntu 16.04, I have atom, and git, no I just need Blender 3D, and code. :D
20:12 Krock          the vmanip causes whole mapblocks to be loaded. They also will be unloaded after a time that I don't know how long it is
20:12 XtremeHacker   now*
20:13 agaran         Krock: perfect, so I can safelly use it during rescan of topology not worrying about manual releasing any force-loaded blocks
20:13 agrecascino    shamoanjac,gtg
20:14 Krock          agaran, doing that with boost_cart as fallback when the node wasn't loaded yet and no server owner complained about a memory overflow due to this yet :P
20:14 agaran         Krock: want to see (very)old screenshot?
20:14 agaran         Krock: great
20:14 Krock          nothing after 0.2.xxx is old
20:14 agaran         Krock: my mod old screenshot.. didn't make new as there are some missing pieces I want to fix first..
20:14 agaran         Krock: http://wstaw.org/h/74f53e1099a/
20:15 shamoanjac     k agrecascino
20:15 agrecascino    shamoanjac, also, i'm uploading the latest version http://github.com/agrecascino/factions
20:15 shamoanjac     alright, I'll have uploaded factions by tomorrow
20:15 shamoanjac     s/factions/banners
20:16 Krock          agaran, and the mod connected the wires automatically?
20:16 agaran         Krock: nope, all manual (and thats goal) so you can have not-connected segments on adjacent blocks etc
20:16 agaran         also >1 wire per node as you see..
20:16 Krock          yeah, looks nice
20:17 agaran         so lighting will survive even if there is power outage for factory side..
20:17 agaran         and yes, light will go out when there is no power..
20:17 agaran         thats one of goals, but now I am fixing/(re)writing internal stuff and it goes SLOOOOW
20:18 agaran         well then maybe over weekend some stuff will get forward, good night :)
20:18 swift110       hey XtremeHacker
21:20 shamoanjac     I can't use custom meshes as nodes, can I?
21:20 Krock          you can
21:20 Krock          drawtype = "mesh"
21:20 Krock          http://i.imgur.com/jUQBqkG.png
21:21 shamoanjac     lel
21:21 shamoanjac     which property do I set then for the model?
21:21 shamoanjac     it's in register_node(), right?
21:22 Krock          oh right it's visual = "mesh"
21:22 Krock          and then mesh = "my_mesh_file_in_the_models_directory.x"
21:23 Krock          don't forget to set the textures too
21:23 shamoanjac     welp, there is no mesh field in the wiki
21:23 shamoanjac     but yeah, I've got the UV mapping done ;)
21:23 shamoanjac     becoming a pro of Blender
21:23 Krock          uuh nice
21:23 shamoanjac     all your flags are belong to me
21:24 Krock          write it in caps
21:24 shamoanjac     ALL YOUR FLAGS ARE BELONG TO ME
21:24 Krock          better :)
21:24 Krock          !mod mesh
21:24 MinetestBot    Krock: Meshnodes [meshnode] by stu - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=8059
21:25 Krock          or maybe check out this one: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10428
21:25 shamoanjac     ah yeah we saw that one mod
21:25 Krock          Looking into the code of other mods is a good way to learn something :)
21:26 shamoanjac     yeah, that's how I did for the banners
21:26 shamoanjac     copypast... getting inspirations from signs_lib
23:10 exio4          PilzAdam: I have to thank you!
23:11 PilzAdam       ok?
23:11 exio4          you made it easier to learn that Pilz means mushroom, I just relate it to minetest :p
23:11 PilzAdam       you are learning german?
23:11 exio4          yeah
23:11 PilzAdam       #minetest-de
23:12 exio4          nice!
23:49 XtremeHacker   Hi