Time Nick Message 00:01 Xello Hello 00:01 Xello Is this a good place to ask questions about moding? 00:01 Xello or would the developer channel be better 00:07 DonBatman Xello you can ask here 00:08 Xello does print() work in register_on_player_receive_fields. I am having a hard time verifying that execution gets there 00:09 DonBatman print() will print to the terminal window or to debug text 00:09 DonBatman It should work anywhere 00:12 Xello hmm that means that it's not getting called 00:13 Xello show_formspec should work right? 00:13 DonBatman Can you pastebin what you have and I can look? 00:13 DonBatman show_formspec works yes 00:17 Xello yes 00:17 Xello http://pastebin.com/qMYT2jZc 00:17 Xello sorry about the delay 00:18 Xello the form is showing 00:19 Xello when I press the button nothing happens 00:19 Xello server log thinks the button was pressed 00:19 Xello but it never makes it to the handler 00:20 DonBatman What happens if you remove the return nil on line 14 of pastebin 00:21 Xello no diffrence 00:25 DonBatman Might be the : in the form name 00:25 Xello Ill give it a test 00:26 Xello I removed the : 00:26 Xello no dic3e 00:27 Xello dice* 00:27 Xello still will not call the receive function 00:27 DonBatman here is an example from one of my mods 00:27 DonBatman https://github.com/DonBatman/myboardgames/blob/master/myuno/init.lua#L156 00:27 DonBatman Maybe you can see the difference 00:27 DonBatman I am not seeing it but will keep looking 00:27 Xello ohhh 00:27 Xello you register it in the function 00:28 Xello Ill try that 00:31 Xello That was it 00:31 Xello I don't belive it 00:31 Xello I would expect it to work outside the function as well 00:32 Xello Thanks ssoo much DonBatman 00:32 DonBatman Awesome! 01:56 Volkj hi, not sure what i'm getting, but seem 01:57 Volkj seems that furnace keeps burning when it's dst inventory is full 02:57 Volkj opened a issue on minetest_game 04:08 nolsen https://nolsen.xyz/paste/?941fe053b7d76cf1#ZypY7kGLEevtF3YJR2ybkrvvASuop0ovZtqmDiD2AVk= 04:14 swift110-phone hey weedy 04:14 swift110-phone hey smugleaf i mean 08:46 yusf Is there a mod for "serverside" screenshot snapping? 08:57 yusf Probably not… 09:04 JamesTait Good morning all! Happy Wednesday, and happy Take Your Houseplant For A Walk Day! 😃 🌷 🌹 09:38 Calinou how you should write code: https://github.com/Droogans/unmaintainable-code 09:39 Calinou https://github.com/Droogans/unmaintainable-code#obscure-film-references 11:28 nm0i Pff. Films. I met obscure russian classic reference with OblomovEyes instead of blue and SnowColor instead of red. 11:40 lordawe hello 11:42 Krock hi 11:44 nm0i hi 11:59 lordawe can somebody help me? I would like to play on VanessaE's creative-builder server daconcepts.com:30008 but I have troubles with client 12:00 lordawe I have Latest sfan's dirty build for win64 but it gives me some serialization errors 12:00 lordawe so I tried your's 32 bit build, Krock, and it works well, but there are some unknown blocks, and I do not know what I am doing wrong. 12:01 lordawe Please. 12:01 Krock if you get unknown blocks on a multiplayer server then it's not your fault 12:02 Krock and for errors: Put them on pastebin so the error can be analyzed well 12:02 lordawe I've couldn't get any recent info about rhis server 12:03 Krock What information? I'm sure there's a topic on the forums for it 12:03 lordawe not for this one 12:04 lordawe it is just mentioned in one post 12:04 lordawe http://pastebin.com/zRcm4NAn 12:06 lordawe it is your minetest_160727_c8b4bed_3.7z build 12:08 Krock lordawe, could you check if you get the same error on other servers? 12:08 lordawe okay 12:08 Krock also, are there more textures missing than just the ones from pine? 12:09 lordawe I think no 12:13 lordawe On another server it just says: 12:13 lordawe 2016-07-27 14:11:55: ERROR[Main]: Subgame specified in default_game [minetest] is invalid. 12:13 lordawe 2016-07-27 14:12:20: WARNING[Main]: Irrlicht: Could not open file of texture: character.png 12:13 Krock ah I see 12:14 Krock the first error is caused by the missing minetest_game, which is not included in my builds 12:14 lordawe okay 12:14 Krock and the 2nd one is the server's fault 12:14 Krock (actually only a warning, can be ignored) 12:15 lordawe I didn't know, I just tried your build because sfan's build gives me serialization errors 12:16 Krock please paste these errors too 12:16 lordawe okay 12:19 lordawe http://pastebin.com/LcePmG5N 12:24 Krock kilbith found the same error a year ago: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2941 12:25 Krock and there seems to be no solution for it yet 12:25 lordawe I see 12:26 lordawe thank you Krock 12:26 Krock np 12:26 lordawe I have put minetest_game to your build already 12:27 lordawe but @ daconcepts.com:30008 I see unknown block named streets:asphalt_side_r 12:28 lordawe so this is not my fault, server is missing it? 12:29 lordawe there is cmd: /streets 12:29 lordawe it says: Runninf version: 1.4.4dev 12:29 Krock yes, you could fix it by using your own texture pack but that's not the target 12:29 lordawe digilines installed: false 12:29 lordawe mesecons installed: false 12:29 lordawe moreblock installed: false 12:30 lordawe wool installed: true 12:30 Krock ehm okay? 12:30 Krock That's again a server thing and not related to the client 12:30 lordawe k 12:30 lordawe thank you 12:30 Krock because the server handles all textures and mods 12:30 Krock np 12:36 lordawe Krock, will you release 64 builds too? 12:37 Krock lordawe, I haven't tried to compile them on my 32-bit OS yet.. I couldn't even test them, that's the thing :3 12:37 lordawe I thought it so 12:37 lordawe nevermind 12:38 lordawe you're dooing good job 12:38 lordawe thx 12:38 Krock nowadays everybody has like 20 GB RAM so using a 32-bit build doens't hurt :P 12:38 * agaran does not have 20GB ram ;) 12:38 Krock ^ 32 GB 12:39 agaran well no, in private machines far less.. in work things.. even 256G.. 12:39 lordawe Just 16/8 GB 12:40 Krock yeah, there are server monsters around with a TiB of RAM.. that's crazy 12:40 agaran Krock: ones we have have 1.5T limit, but that reqire to populate both cpu slots.. 12:40 agaran otherwise only 768G 12:40 Krock "only" 12:41 agaran yup.. though one memleak we had issues with was worth of >60G of mem so.. 12:41 agaran no minetest there tho.. 12:41 lordawe where are you playing, guys 12:41 Krock It's the pointers fault! 12:42 agaran Krock: even worse, :) but it is (should be) fixed now 12:42 Krock uh.. I'm not playing frequently 12:42 lordawe neither do I 12:42 agaran anyone can suggest me what I can do aside of logging off, on Megaf server if I am stuck in some hole, and now realized that I don't have 'interact' privilege even? 12:42 Krock agaran, what's worse than pointer? a pointer array? 12:43 Krock edit the client source code to grant you fly and noclip 12:43 agaran Krock: somebody forgot to add free() equivalent on small piece of data moved between threads.. but when they move hundreds of thousands of slices.. 12:43 lordawe ask somebody to help you get out 12:43 agaran Krock: well not going to fiddle with source for that, rather look for other server :) and seek for help later 12:44 Krock agaran, uh yes.. even small pieces can cause a huge memory use by not deleting them :< 12:45 agaran yup.. 12:45 agaran and if it bleeds only few kb per minute it is hard to find 12:51 agaran lordawe: now I am just browsing servers etc, before I return to fixng own code 12:52 lordawe I like to play on linuxgaming2.com server, because it has some nice tweaks and is family safe 12:52 lordawe but it is laggy sometimes 12:53 lordawe I just browse other servers too 13:06 agaran lordawe: now looking at Calinou's server, so far seems quite empty but otherwise lots of room for building (damage enabled etc) 13:08 lordawe let me see 13:10 Calinou beware, areas mod can't be used by players 13:10 Calinou so you can easily get griefed 13:11 Calinou maybe I'll add a player-usable protection mod like TenPlus1's protector mod 13:12 agaran Calinou: but that means, you can eventually protect something if it gets to point that it makes sense to do so.. 13:12 lordawe well, I should learn the third protection mod... 13:13 Krock or the landrush mod? Works nicely 13:14 Krock also I miss a crafting guide there.. the basic stuff is missing 13:15 agaran like? I found already some iron etc 13:15 lordawe Landrush was quite good, I used it loong time ago at LibertyLand server... 13:15 lordawe I amnot in yet 13:21 Calinou I should develop a simple mobs mod and add it on my server 13:21 Calinou but don't really have the skills right now :( 13:23 Glorfindel Use tens mod? 13:25 Krock 11's mod was started as a simple mod but now there are so many mobs in it... 13:26 Glorfindel Yeah, but they are all nice mobs :D 13:27 VanessaE just FYI, lordawe's problem with the missing textures was due to a mod bug on my server. I've forked and fixed it (I hope). 13:28 lordawe yeah, thank you VanessaE and Krock for big help 13:29 VanessaE yw 13:36 Calinou Glorfindel: the models/sounds are very inconsistent :( 13:36 Glorfindel Ahhh 13:36 Calinou I don't need 20+ mobs anyway 13:36 Calinou I'd be happy with a rat/sheep/oerkki/dungeon master base 13:36 Glorfindel I never really noticed as I play with sound off :p 13:37 Glorfindel I see 13:41 nolsen #4365 14:03 nolsen ? 14:03 nolsen er 14:18 Megaf Hi 14:18 Glorfindel Hello 14:19 agaran Hi Megaf 14:19 agaran what one has to do to get interact on your server?;) 14:20 Megaf agaran: just ask me for it 14:20 Megaf :) 14:20 Megaf agaran: just granted you 14:20 Megaf saw you online earlier on 14:20 agaran yep got stuck in some hole 14:21 Megaf agaran: need a lift? You could have done /spawn anyway :) 14:22 agaran well, spawn reqires interract;) 14:23 Megaf does it? Even on my server? 14:23 agaran yep 14:23 Megaf lol, and I wrote the spawn thingy myself 14:24 agaran it nicelly said that you need interract.. and I stayed in that hole, let me see it 14:24 Megaf agaran: well, you have interact, feel free to explore our imense world :D Hamza568, Jessch8281, sin, daZs and Gniewomir are some of the best players there 14:25 agaran well modlist is impressive 14:26 Megaf I've just added a couple of mobs yesterday 14:42 Megaf can anyone tell me a god website where I can see a website from around 2004? 14:43 agaran web.archive.org ? 14:43 Megaf internet archive is not working because the current version of it doesnt allow that 14:43 Megaf (the website doesnt exists anymore, now is just in parking) 14:43 Megaf This is the website I'm trying to open by the way http://www.casemodbr.com/forum 14:45 agaran then maybe google cached copies but they probably dont reach that far 14:46 Megaf they dont 14:47 Megaf well, I'm hungry, brb 14:48 agaran Megaf: have good meal 15:19 nm0i Megaf: huhu 16:19 nolsen https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/4365 16:20 Krock that's a snappy error 16:20 Krock try to update your snappy repo 16:20 nolsen Krock: Okay, I will contact the snappy devs /sarcasm 16:21 Krock also, ``` is your friend to put multiline console messages into github ``` 16:21 nolsen Snappy is very latest 16:21 nolsen nothing I can do about it. 16:21 Krock and leveldb too? 16:21 nolsen And not my problem, either 16:21 nolsen It's their fault. 16:21 Krock I've the feeling that this is a leveldb issue 16:21 Krock so not related to Minetest 16:22 Krock sfan5, wouldn't it be more helpful to say that the issue should be moved to the leveldb repo instead? 16:23 nolsen Ubuntu 12.04? 16:23 nolsen Who uses 12.04? 16:23 Krock ^ sfan5 does? 16:23 sfan5 you don't? 16:23 nolsen somehow install better leveldb packages." 16:23 nolsen " 16:23 nolsen Install better? 16:23 nolsen sfan5: no lol 16:23 nolsen 12.04 lost support, anyways. 16:24 sfan5 what are you using 16:24 Krock nolsen, LOOL 16:24 nolsen 16.04 16:24 * Krock sits in front of a Win XP computer 16:25 Calinou 12.04 is still supported until 2017 16:25 Calinou so, 9 months from now 16:25 nolsen Calinou: I still consider that outdated. 16:26 Calinou but yeah, upgrading to 16.04 costs nothing, and even 14.04 doesn't have that LevelDB bug 16:26 Krock oh yes, 12.04 is somewhat outdated!! 16:26 Calinou I heard OpenVZ finally had a new release 16:26 Calinou it supports Ubuntu 16.04 maybe? 16:26 nolsen I'm running ubuntu 16.10 on my laptop 16:26 nolsen my VPS has 16.04 16:26 Calinou my VPS is on OpenVZ, thus on 14.04 16:26 luizrpgluiz hi :) 16:26 nolsen I'm using digitalocean 16:26 Calinou I tried upgrading to 16.04 once and broke everything, had to reinstall 16:27 Calinou because 16.04 has a libc that requires kernel 3.2, and OpenVZ is still on 2.6.32 or something 16:27 Calinou a 2009 kernel :) 16:27 nolsen And thus, openvz sucks. 16:27 nolsen KVM forever. 16:27 sfan5 can you go to 4chan if you want to hate on random stuff for no reason? 16:28 nolsen sfan5: no. 16:28 Krock is there a 4chan channel on freenode? 16:28 Krock can't find any 16:29 Calinou nolsen: KVM is more expensive for the provider 16:29 Calinou (more performance overhead) 16:30 nolsen Yes but you don't have to use an ancient kernel? 16:30 nolsen More older than the pyraminds. 16:30 nolsen pyramids* 16:30 sfan5 it doesn't make a difference for the application 16:30 luizrpgluiz someone there made any mod built using vectors only? 16:30 Calinou yes, but that might change, OpenVZ recently saw a new major release 16:30 Calinou sfan5: yes, almost any software is recent enough to run on 14.04 16:30 Calinou except Docker... requires kernel 3.10 :( 16:30 nolsen sfan5: So there is no difference between 2.x and 4.x? 16:31 sfan5 no 16:31 Calinou https://lut.im/gallery#8z4mQicd3Y/oheUQ4gjXjziJgBy.png,7WXTEemTrQ/9SyuV796eH0DsH3I.png,DuTu2DVh4Q/MHShQzOdOoWJBymp.png,N7gtgKzizy/QoJEUnW1ubpFn7P0.png 16:31 sfan5 thats not what i said 16:31 Calinou preview of my 32x texture pack 16:31 Calinou made in like, 30-45 minutes 16:33 nolsen Krock: libsnappy-dev is already the newest version (1.1.3-2). 16:33 nolsen 1.1.3-2 is the latest. 16:34 luizrpgluiz Calinou: beautiful images when you're ready I'll use this very texture pack 16:38 aix okay my server's really turning into shit 16:38 aix I think i'll just rollback 16:46 aix basic_machines digiline-stuff digilines minetest-mod-mesecons modpack.txt pipeworks # will any of these cause lag anywhere as bad as technic does? 16:46 agaran technic afaik causes lag only when it generates caves, more ores etc.. but otherwise I did not had issues with technic.. when you have problems with i? 16:47 aix i haven't yet 16:47 aix it's just generated caves in my stonesquare field 16:49 sfan5 nolsen: works for me on 16.04 16:49 aix http://yaap.it/paste/cb0fb78ab19fcc6a#iQJO2ShcX7gOF6eBGyPuYzqewU5jRrisCte6PDFh0ms= 16:49 aix anything that'll cause huge lag? 16:50 luizrpgluiz sfan5: you know how to generate a fixed construction using only vector? 16:50 sfan5 no 16:50 Krock agaran, not only the mapgen causes lag - also the pipeworks that are usually used in combination with etchnic 16:50 agaran Krock: yup, tubes are like that, found that hard time but it is not really technic problem.. 16:51 Krock depends how many nodes you have that update after X seconds 16:51 Krock so.. talkinga bout ABMs 16:51 agaran in technic most abm's are switching stations.. 16:51 luizrpgluiz sfan5: You know someone who knows how to make a mod like this? 16:52 sfan5 no 16:52 Krock luizrpgluiz, that sounds almost like the L-tree systeme 16:54 aix thanks to some awesome people, i've had to revert my map and no longer grant interact by default 16:57 nolsen sfan5: How did you compile it? 16:57 nolsen and install it? 16:57 sfan5 install requied packages 16:57 Krock aix, my building is lost?!? 16:57 sfan5 download irrlicht 16:57 nolsen irrlicht? 16:57 aix um 16:57 nolsen Isn't that built in minetest? 16:57 sfan5 no 16:57 Krock no, it's a seperate library 16:58 sfan5 and then point cmake to irrlicht's files 16:58 sfan5 compile and ... done 16:58 nolsen I assume I already have it, because I wouldn't be able to run minetest 17:01 nolsen Already installed. 17:01 aix this is wierd. 17:02 aix it's collated all of my worlds 17:02 nolsen sfan5: did you git clone? 17:02 nolsen for leveldb 17:03 sfan5 apt-get install libleveldb-git 17:03 sfan5 uhh 17:03 sfan5 libleveldb-dev 17:03 nolsen aix: That exists? 17:03 nolsen er 17:03 nolsen sfan5: 17:03 nolsen You kidding me... 17:03 nolsen I could've saved time 17:04 nolsen Nobody had said anything about libleveldb 17:04 sfan5 how about you inform yourself before trying to do stuff 17:04 nolsen sfan5: Inform myself? Nobody told me. 17:04 nolsen No documentation 17:05 nolsen You can't get knowledge out of thin air. 17:06 sfan5 correct 17:07 sfan5 instead of downloading random stuff and just installing it you should inform yourself where to get that package for your distro 17:07 sfan5 do you know what https://google.co.uk/ is? 17:07 nolsen .co.k? 17:07 nolsen co.uk? 17:07 nolsen Who lives in the UK? 17:07 sfan5 i don't 17:07 nolsen Hm, now I get a different error. 17:08 nolsen sfan5: DuckDuckGo doesn't say anything 17:08 nolsen about a distro package. 17:08 nolsen Instead I get random, unhelpful info. 17:09 sfan5 then use google 17:09 Krock Oh god. Please stop this flamewar. It's way too hot in here 17:10 nolsen sfan5: Google sucks. 17:10 nolsen They spy on you. 17:10 nolsen They block tor, and my VPS> 17:10 nolsen VPS* 17:10 nolsen Also, https://nolsen.xyz/paste/?a2a0df3b3c5254a1#13zH/98GVszfG3twh/FIElRlmF1l6goRoLrxqtxX8jk= 17:10 sfan5 lmao 17:10 sfan5 you need to delete CMakeFiles and re-run cmake 17:10 nolsen I did 17:10 sfan5 no you didn't 17:10 nolsen well, rerun cmake 17:10 sfan5 nolsen: where is your vps that google blocks it? 17:11 nolsen sfan5: digitalocean? 17:11 nolsen I get a captcha every time I use my VPN on my VPS. 17:11 sfan5 then you must've done something terribly wrong 17:11 sfan5 google doesn't block IPs for no reason 17:11 nolsen Yes, I'm doing something wrong. 17:11 nolsen sfan5: What cmake files? 17:11 nolsen There's many files with C 17:12 sfan5 a directory named CMakeFiles 17:12 nolsen sfan5: Didn't work. 17:12 nolsen Same error. 17:13 sfan5 did you run cmake again after deleting? 17:13 nolsen of course. 17:13 sfan5 delete the whole minetest folder and start over 17:13 nolsen ... 17:13 nolsen Yes, I'm going to delete my worlds 17:13 nolsen and my conf 17:14 nolsen and my 50 mods 17:14 sfan5 well save those 17:18 nolsen sfan5: Is there a package for spatial? 17:18 nolsen Since I searched everywhere 17:37 aix https://sr.ht/wnfd.png i think this is the way forward 17:48 sfan5 nolsen: use http://packages.ubuntu.com/ next time, the name is libspatialindex-dev 17:49 sfan5 aix: what about people who arent good at english 17:49 aix sfan5: uh 17:49 aix it's an english server 17:49 aix so, politeness aside, i'd say tough shit 17:49 sfan5 in that case ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 17:49 aix :P 17:49 aix also 17:49 aix https://sr.ht/9nrN.png what do you think? 17:51 sfan5 what's that? 17:52 aix a zen garden 17:53 aix http://www.slideshare.net/Japzen/what-is-a-zen-garden 17:54 sfan5 ah 17:56 aix https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_rock_garden 17:56 aix explains why i couldn't find a wiki page for it before 18:00 Krock looks like a sandbox with gravel 18:10 aix it is 18:10 aix essentially 18:23 Krock Have you guys ever heard about this game? http://jawapa.everybodyedits.com/ ? 18:23 Krock (sorry, offtopic) 18:24 sfan5 oh that's new 18:34 Megaf lol Krock 18:34 Megaf you got me 18:35 specing sup 18:35 specing Where did the Sky server go? 18:39 aix i forgot how fucking good minetest was 18:40 specing same 18:40 aix I think i'll make an "elite" server 18:40 aix like 18:40 aix not the "elite" that's polluted with internet memes 18:40 aix an exclusive private server 18:42 aix not because i want one, because granting interact by default just causes problems for everyone 18:43 rubenwardy Would be nice to have an invite only server, where to join you need to be vouched for or well known 18:43 rubenwardy but meh 18:43 rubenwardy has draw backs too 18:43 Krock the idea is good but are there enough players who want to register to join it? 18:44 Krock some might never see the server's building because they don't know how to get in 18:44 rubenwardy I don't like playing only due to annoying children, and griefers 18:44 specing then /protect your stuff? 18:44 specing it worked 2 years ago ;p 18:44 agaran well I was visiting some servers and childs 'wanna be friends' are somewhat.. meh 18:45 rubenwardy there's always bugs with that, and it ends up being annoying 18:45 specing lava in bucket? :D 18:45 rubenwardy I'm currently on my own private server with my brother, much more peaceful - although less impressive 18:45 rubenwardy +building 18:46 agaran rubenwardy: I totally can understand, I have 127.0.0.1 when I want to be left alone 18:47 rubenwardy I wish I could go back to the redcrab days. So many hours of fun then 18:47 Krock specing, that and no interact privilege because there are always people who build dirt or cobble houses 18:48 Krock (or grief the landscape in any other way) 18:48 rubenwardy one of the reasons I quit redcrab (apart from the instability and bugs) was that someone build literally 10m away from me 18:49 rubenwardy com'on, I was in the middle of no where 18:49 rubenwardy get your own land 18:49 rubenwardy to make things worse 18:49 rubenwardy they didn't build a house 18:50 rubenwardy they built a massive 30m high wall 18:50 specing was Trump your neighbour? 18:50 Krock heh.. mexico isn't nowhere 18:50 specing well he paid for it ;p 18:56 nolsen !server such survival server 18:56 MinetestBot nolsen: Such Survival Server | minetest.nolsen.xyz | Clients: 3/15, 1/3 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 1ms 18:56 nolsen 1ms 18:56 nolsen \o/ 18:57 nolsen Yet it's eating 50% of my RAM 18:57 nolsen and I only have 993MB on the server. 19:01 Krock (a sign for many textures or audio files) 19:01 Krock also meshes eat some RAM 19:01 rubenwardy why would meshes eat server side RAM? 19:01 Krock oh nvm. Haven't seen "on the server" 19:02 rubenwardy Really, if you use the http media server, resources should use 0 ram 19:02 Glorfindel nolsen: how much ram to begin with? 19:02 Krock but almost a GiB is much for only 3 clients 19:24 Fixer https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13972&p=206195 ._. 19:25 Fixer rubenwardy: minetest is not minecraft it seems, people want to build closer to each other, remember that pic of two guys in empty toilet? %) 19:26 rubenwardy huh 19:26 Fixer collectgarbage(count) 19:26 Fixer this is useful 20:21 twoelk hrmpf - I don't mind time outs when connecting to a server but clients shouldn't crash if they can't connect 20:25 Krock twoelk, it doesn't crash. Only throws an error 20:25 twoelk thats how it should be 20:26 twoelk just tried to connect to TTech-Creative and crashed every time 20:27 nolsen Glorfindel: 1GB 20:28 nolsen How much RAM do I need to 15 people? 20:28 nolsen 8GB? 20:28 nolsen We need certain mods to be client-sided, so it stop eating the server's RAM. 20:28 nolsen and CPU. 20:28 nolsen Like rain. 20:28 nolsen (I wish I have the rain mod, but it eats too much CPU) 20:28 twoelk Krock: it usually ends with: ERROR[Main]: Some exception: "std::bad_alloc" 20:29 Krock twoelk, this means you don't have enough free memory 20:30 twoelk I knew I shouldn't have left all them other stuff running in the background :-D 20:30 Krock ^^ 20:30 Krock apt-get install RAM 20:30 nolsen I have plenty of bandwidth (Gigabit internet speeds, up and down), one CPU, and 1GB of RAM + Swap, 30GB SSD. 20:30 Krock (not to be used in real) 20:31 Krock nolsen, largely depends on the mods and configuration you use 20:31 twoelk still, I visited severall servers in a row before and after and this happened only on this one 20:31 Krock Like, how many mapblocks are loaded around players 20:31 nolsen Krock: How much RAM would default use? 20:31 nolsen I'm not using defaults. 20:31 nolsen But if I were, how much would it require? 20:32 ElectronLibre Krock: I'm gonna try your command 20:32 ElectronLibre I wonder what will happen 20:32 Krock nolsen, I don't know much about it. When I ran a server on Windows it took maximal 200 MB of RAM 20:32 Krock ElectronLibre, uh.. package not found? 20:32 nolsen Krock: How many users? 20:32 Krock nolsen, about 8 of them 20:32 ElectronLibre Krock: Yep 20:32 nolsen Krock: How many mods? 20:32 nolsen Was it pure vanilla? 20:32 nolsen Pure boring vanilla? 20:33 Krock nolsen, no, had unifide inventory with skins and some low-ressource mods 20:33 ElectronLibre Pleonasm. 20:33 Krock that was everything 20:33 ElectronLibre (boring vanilla; at least here) 20:33 nolsen Krock: I have about 30 mods installed. 20:33 Krock that's plenty of them 20:33 nolsen I only have one user, and it's using 53.2% of RAM 20:33 nolsen out of 993MB of RAM 20:34 ElectronLibre What mods do you have in there? 20:34 nolsen and 278/1024MB of Swap. 20:34 nolsen I can't get a list 20:34 Krock upload world.mt? 20:34 ElectronLibre "cat $(ls mods/) > modlist"? 20:35 nolsen There might be mods inside those directories? 20:35 Krock "dog $(dunno linux/) > modlist" 20:35 ElectronLibre Or rather echo, maybe cat will work 20:35 ElectronLibre Krock: You should install and try the "lolcat" command 20:35 Krock kthxbai 20:35 ElectronLibre It's completely useless but entirely necessary 20:36 twoelk I guess my main RAM eating culprit is Firefox. Cant leave that creature unattended in the background 20:36 Krock that's a paradoxon 20:36 nolsen servers.minetest.net reports 137 mods. 20:36 ElectronLibre I know. That's the point. 20:37 ElectronLibre It serves to highlight how useless it is, by mentionning how great it is. In some way. 20:38 * twoelk wonders how much longer he can cling to his 2GB of Ram machine 20:39 ElectronLibre twoelk: Do you need to use a graphical interface? 20:39 agaran anyone knows how to make use out of beehouse in farming_plus? 20:39 Krock twoelk, try a 16px texture pack 20:39 twoelk saddly yes - actually I do 3D CAD with it 20:39 ElectronLibre Holly crepe 20:40 Krock crepes are tasty 20:40 ElectronLibre Can you upgrade the RAM? 20:40 twoelk nope - end of line 20:40 ElectronLibre Compiling.. The answer is : not very long 20:40 Krock The answer must be 42 20:41 * Krock gives twoelk x03 (end of text) 20:43 twoelk a looong time ago I actually lernt CAD by using the terminal and only checking the graphical output once in a while 20:43 agaran but that was like '80? 20:43 twoelk 86 20:43 * twoelk runs and hides 20:44 * Krock feels like a kid again and hides too 20:44 agaran I was using autocad12 but it was wysiwyg already 20:44 twoelk yeah but faster using the terminal commands 20:44 twoelk way faster 20:44 agaran of course 20:45 aix https://sr.ht/2wVw.png not too bad for a day's work 20:45 aix well, more like an hour 20:45 aix i spent most of today fixing the map 20:46 Krock you need more cobble 20:46 aix https://sr.ht/iDt5.png 20:46 twoelk hmm cobbleRam? 20:46 aix these are just the ones i haven't simply trashed to make room for ores while mining 20:47 agaran twoelk: almost like core memory ;) 20:47 aix you need to download more cobble 20:47 twoelk it's all silicon aint it? 20:47 agaran core memory? nah 20:47 agaran it was copper wire and ferrite rings.. back in '50/'60 20:48 agaran you had array of wires, permitting to select row/column etc, and each crossing had also r/w wires and ring over that 20:48 MinetestBot 02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Beds, boats: Replace deprecated get_look_yaw/set_look_yaw 13ea49eb3 https://git.io/vKba5 (152016-07-27T21:39:22+01:00) 20:48 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Default: Prevent placing sapling if grown tree intersects protection 130ac0969 https://git.io/vKbad (152016-07-27T21:39:22+01:00) 20:48 MinetestBot 02[git] 04tenplus1 -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Bones: Ability to change bones mode. Tidy up code 132df7ce2 https://git.io/vKbaF (152016-07-27T21:37:49+01:00) 20:48 agaran ring was from ferromagnetic that could get magnetized 2 ways, so when you read aplying weak current you know which way it was magnetized.. 20:49 agaran that was main memory of computers before silicon memories.. 20:49 agaran with bigger current you could change magnetization thus write 20:49 agaran sorry for computer rant. 20:49 twoelk I saw old automatic weaving machines a while ago, programmed with punch cards - or rather wood sheets with holes sewn together -fascinating stuff 20:50 agaran some stuff still operates in same way as it was with punch cards.. and I still have some blanks I got as gift.. 20:50 agaran 80 char limit was punch card lenght.. 20:50 * twoelk still has some as well 20:51 aix https://sr.ht/oyi0.png 20:51 twoelk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacquard_loom 20:52 twoelk cool to watch them working 20:52 agaran saw knitting machine that was using very similar programming (metal strips but principle same) 20:54 twoelk a loop was a real loop in those days 20:56 twoelk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3a9wWRxYSko <- another cool looping of strips with holes ;-P 21:34 nolsen Is there a mod to ban android users? 21:34 MinetestBot 02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Upright sprite objects: Horizontally flip the front image 138a98cbd https://git.io/vKbPc (152016-07-27T22:21:41+01:00) 21:34 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Wuzzy2 -> 03minetest/minetest: Main menu, lua_api.txt: Fix mod/texture pack screenshot size issues 132cb0f64 https://git.io/vKbPC (152016-07-27T22:20:31+01:00) 21:34 nolsen Because all they do is timeout 21:35 nolsen They are useless players. 22:01 twoelk most android users don't use the official version from minetest.net - it seems difficult to find a way to ban those other ported versions. noguests and protocol version checks seem the only possibilities at the moment but they are not flawless if they work at all 22:05 nm0i most of android users timout because of oom killer 22:05 nm0i There are plenti of them playing on lightweight servers 22:06 nm0i *Plenty =\ 22:07 nolsen twoelk: You can have it check if the client is the offical version. 22:07 nolsen And let the servers decide to ban or not. 22:08 twoelk they will adjust 22:09 nolsen twoelk: They can't. 22:10 nolsen The server will kick them out if they don't reply. 22:10 twoelk steering and writing is difficult for noobs on mobile devices - put up a parcour to leave spawn, add a codeword they need to type and things that need shiftjump and other difficult stuff 22:10 nm0i Last time I asked this question here there was no way to check client version, what changed? 22:12 twoelk no you can check protocol versions wich excludes old clients - a lot of the old android hacks didn't update but that has flaws as you can probably guess 22:13 twoelk it still is the policy of minetest to not exclude by version check iirc 22:37 rubenwardy How do I get the current stack index of the selected item of the hotbar? I want to get the item stack to the right 22:37 rubenwardy ah, get_wield_index() 22:44 rubenwardy will `stack and stack:get_name()` return get_name if stack exists, and nil otherwise?