Time Nick Message 02:32 sloanonlinux I have a minetest modding question 04:13 sloanonlinux Hi LazyJ 04:14 LazyJ Howdy sloanonlinux ;) 04:15 sloanonlinux Sup? 04:36 swift110-phone hey guys 04:52 Mr_Narfh @st-survival 04:54 swift110-phone hiw r u 04:57 Mr_Narfh @OldCoder? 05:00 Mr_Narfh cheapie? 05:03 swift110-phone lol 05:05 Mr_Narfh CWz 05:05 Mr_Narfh how can I find the world configuration? 05:07 Mr_Narfh do youknow CWz? 05:09 Mr_Narfh VanessaE ? 05:12 swift110-phone hmm 05:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Stairs: Code cleanup, fix various errors 13983af7b https://git.io/vo9NN (152016-06-26T06:11:16+01:00) 05:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Stairs: Register stone / desert stone / sandstone / obsidian blocks 1322dc7b2 https://git.io/vo9NA (152016-06-26T06:11:16+01:00) 05:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04t4im -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Gitignore: Update to ignore additional ide/editors 13cd5893d https://git.io/vo9Nx (152016-06-26T06:10:49+01:00) 06:00 Mr_Narfh Cwz? 06:00 Mr_Narfh CWz? 06:14 Mr_Narfh CWz????????? 06:25 Mr_Narfh CWZ? 06:28 Mr_Narfh #Smuglyfe 06:32 Mr_Narfh DIE :d 06:32 Mr_Narfh dude 06:32 Mr_Narfh no one is on 06:33 Mr_Narfh and I need to know how to setup a multiplier sever 06:33 Miner_48er did you read the forum? 06:33 Mr_Narfh yea 06:33 Mr_Narfh i don't understand it 06:34 Miner_48er ok what have you done so far? 06:37 Mr_Narfh made a sever in the sever tabs installed mods 06:37 DI3HARD139 Hey Mr_Narfh 06:37 Mr_Narfh hi 06:37 DI3HARD139 .... 06:38 Mr_Narfh tab* 06:39 Miner_48er ok local or internet server? 06:39 Mr_Narfh i have local i think but i want internet 06:39 DI3HARD139 shift + right click and choose "Open Command Prompt Here" in the */minetest-0.4.14/bin/ and type in that window minetest --server --wordname 06:40 DI3HARD139 added server_announce = true in the minetest.conf file. Open the port for the server in your Router's port forwarding settings. 06:41 Miner_48er ok find the ip of the computer the servers on an port forward it with your router 06:41 DI3HARD139 and point it to your comps ip 06:41 Mr_Narfh die i don't have open command prompt 06:41 DI3HARD139 are u holding down shift? 06:41 DI3HARD139 heh 06:42 DI3HARD139 Im beginning to question if Win XP is in use 06:42 Mr_Narfh i crashed 06:42 Mr_Narfh i crashed 06:42 DI3HARD139 lemme guess Windows XP 06:42 DI3HARD139 ? 06:42 Mr_Narfh yep 06:43 DI3HARD139 that explains alot. that makes it much harder 06:43 Miner_48er start + r 06:43 DI3HARD139 ^ 06:43 DI3HARD139 type in cmd 06:44 Miner_48er *win + r 06:44 DI3HARD139 then cd 06:44 * DI3HARD139 hasn't used XP in 5 years so is a bit flaky on the folder dirs/layouts/indexs 06:45 Miner_48er cd 06:45 DI3HARD139 Oh damn that trick works on windows as well??? Thought it was a Mac only thing 06:46 DI3HARD139 Well I'll be damned. Thats gonna shave a few secs of typing 06:47 * DI3HARD139 might time out as cloning a few websites using HTTrack 06:49 * Mr_Narfh is confused 06:49 Mr_Narfh what do i shearch if i didn't move it? 06:50 DI3HARD139 type "cd" in the cmd prompt and drag the minetest.exe over the cmd prompt 06:51 Mr_Narfh there is no drag 06:51 DI3HARD139 then remove the "minetest.exe" portion 06:52 DI3HARD139 drag and drop over the cmd prompt?? Its present in Windows XP. 06:53 Mr_Narfh soooo confused 06:54 Mr_Narfh all it brings up is c: 06:54 Mr_Narfh and then the things 06:54 Mr_Narfh c:\games 06:55 Miner_48er type dir 06:55 Miner_48er is minetest in there? 06:55 Mr_Narfh no 06:56 * DI3HARD139 goes and torrents a copy of Win XP for a virtual machine as is not gonna pay for abandoned ware 06:56 Miner_48er ok lets work on port forwarding while he researches 06:56 Miner_48er type ipconfig 06:57 DI3HARD139 Ok lets do it this way. Where do you have the minetest folder stored? Desktop? My Documents? 06:57 Miner_48er under wireless or ethernet it should have your ip address 06:57 Mr_Narfh localdisc 06:57 Mr_Narfh and desktop 06:58 Mr_Narfh wait folder localdisc 06:58 DI3HARD139 LocalDisc C: 06:59 DI3HARD139 ? 06:59 DI3HARD139 dir in C:/ 06:59 Mr_Narfh now its in my documents 06:59 DI3HARD139 to that would be C:/Documents and Settings//My Documents/ 06:59 DI3HARD139 so* 07:00 DI3HARD139 then do a dir 07:00 Mr_Narfh how do i do a dir? 07:01 Miner_48er type dir 07:01 Miner_48er enter 07:01 Mr_Narfh Windows cannot find 'dir' 07:01 DI3HARD139 dont do cd dir 07:01 DI3HARD139 its dir by itself 07:02 Mr_Narfh that's what i did 07:02 DI3HARD139 something typed isnt right then as "dir" is a cmd not a directory or a file 07:03 Mr_Narfh so what do i do? 07:03 * DI3HARD139 is useless atm as is running Win10 Pro 07:03 Mr_Narfh i have win10 07:04 Mr_Narfh not pro doe 07:04 DI3HARD139 Thought us said you have WinXP? 07:05 Mr_Narfh idk wut i have but i installed windows10 on here and i have a gateway laptop 07:06 DI3HARD139 open a new cmd window and type msinfo32 07:06 DI3HARD139 then look under "OS Name" 07:06 DI3HARD139 What does it say? 07:08 Mr_Narfh nothing 07:08 Mr_Narfh wait cmd window so the run window with win+r? 07:09 DI3HARD139 yes then type in the command prompt window msinfo32 07:12 Mr_Narfh it wont do anything can you make a video or something? 07:12 Miner_48er or click this link: http://whatsmyos.com/ 07:12 DI3HARD139 Oh nice find miner_48er 07:14 Miner_48er all he needs is port forwarding to get the GUI working if this doesn't work 07:14 Mr_Narfh still so confusing 07:14 DI3HARD139 yeo 07:15 DI3HARD139 yep 07:15 Miner_48er Mr_Narfh, what OS did the website say? 07:15 Mr_Narfh isn't there a video im a visual learner :/ 07:16 Mr_Narfh Your OS is Windows 7* 64-bit 07:16 DI3HARD139 Oh thank fing G0d 07:17 DI3HARD139 I can stop reading these xp blogs 07:17 DI3HARD139 XD 07:17 Mr_Narfh lol 07:18 Mr_Narfh so what do i do 07:18 DI3HARD139 Ok time to get to business. As for port forwarding. start - type "cmd" - hit enter. 07:18 DI3HARD139 then when the window pops up type "ipconfig" 07:19 Mr_Narfh that worked 07:19 Mr_Narfh C:\users\Narfh 07:20 Mr_Narfh o.0 07:22 Mr_Narfh now what 07:24 Mr_Narfh ........... 07:24 Mr_Narfh miner now what 07:25 Miner_48er what is your ip address 07:26 Mr_Narfh the v4 ip? 07:26 Miner_48er yes 07:27 Mr_Narfh 192.168.254.27 07:27 Miner_48er ok what's the default gateway? 07:28 Mr_Narfh 192.168.254.27 07:28 Mr_Narfh 192.168.254.254 07:29 Miner_48er ok open your browser and enter 192.168.254.254 07:30 Miner_48er what happened? 07:31 Mr_Narfh it asked for my user and ass 07:31 Mr_Narfh pass* 07:32 Miner_48er ok do you know your routers password? 07:32 Mr_Narfh uhh like the internet password/ 07:32 Mr_Narfh ?* 07:33 Miner_48er try it 07:33 Mr_Narfh i forgot it 07:33 Miner_48er ok do you know what type of router you have? 07:33 Mr_Narfh uh frontier 07:37 Miner_48er username: admin 07:37 Miner_48er password: password 07:39 Miner_48er Mr_Narfh, did it work? 07:48 Mr_Narfh no 07:48 Miner_48er password: 1234 07:48 Miner_48er did it work? 07:49 Mr_Narfh nupe 07:50 Miner_48er ok you can reset your router or find the password 07:50 Mr_Narfh how do i reset it? 07:51 Mr_Narfh just turn it off? 07:52 Miner_48er no 07:52 Miner_48er password: admin 07:53 Miner_48er did it work? 07:53 Mr_Narfh no 07:57 Miner_48er press the reset button on the back of the router 07:57 Miner_48er 1. Press and hold the default reset button until the Power LED turns red (about 10 seconds). 07:57 Miner_48er 2. Release the Default Reset button and wait for the router to reboot. 08:03 Miner_48er then set up port forwarding ip: 192.168.254.27 port: 30000 08:04 Mr_Narfh wait do i have to reboot? 08:11 sfan5 *sigh* 08:12 sfan5 Mr_Narfh: DO NOT RESET YOUR ROUTER 08:12 sfan5 this will cause you to lose internet 08:12 sfan5 and you will need to configure it again using settings you probably don't have 08:41 Mr_Narfh k 09:08 Calinou lol, I just received a patch by e-mail 09:08 Calinou should I apply it… *suspect* 09:08 Calinou (it's a 1-liner) 09:08 Calinou worst thing is, they use an @gmail.com address 09:08 Calinou so if you're against GitHub and use gmail… well, that sounds very legit 09:08 Calinou (it's a moreores patch) 09:13 Krock Why I love GitHub: https://github.com/blog/2190-github-security-update-reused-password-attack 09:13 Krock > We encourage all users to practice good password hygiene 09:13 Krock > https://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/936:_Password_Strength 14:18 aix hello 14:38 Krock hello 14:39 iwB Hello 15:16 Calinou https://searx.me/?q=mese&categories=general 15:16 Calinou Searx has a new interface 15:16 Calinou looks a bit better 15:17 Calinou https://searx.me/?q=minetest&categories=general 15:17 Calinou at least we're first result :p 15:27 Krock Calinou, a search engine that uses search engines? 15:33 Calinou yeah, it's a metasearch engine 15:40 rom1504 can it use itself an recursively self improve ? 15:40 rom1504 :d 16:16 Calinou probably not 16:23 Telesight Is it always necessary to relog when changing a skin? Unfortunately if I use "/setskin playername skinnumber" the player has to relog to effectuate the change ... 16:34 nore Telesight: IIRC, it is necessary only if you added the skin to your server after the player logged in 16:37 Telesight @nore: I use the command "/setskin playername skinnumber" in a commandblock to ¨force" a skincolor on a player, but that player has to relog to get the skincolor ... I want to ommit the relog. 16:38 nore hm... no idea then 17:47 bark is there a command to check which mapgen is in use? In my minetest.conf i have set mg_name = v7, but minetest.servers.net reports that my server is on v6. also, does anyone know why this is happening? 17:47 asl97 bark: this is on an old world? 17:49 bark quite old, but not older than v7. The world was started on v7. then, when i updated to 0.4.14, the mapgen has switched to v6 without me doing anything 17:49 bark so now i have glitched terrain all over 17:49 asl97 changing the mg_name doesn't affect old world, you need to change it in the map_meta.txt in the world 17:51 bark aha. so on every line where it says something with v6 17:51 asl97 nope, only mg_name = v6 17:52 bark thanks alot 17:52 asl97 the other stuff are use by the mapgen version 6 to figure out how to generate the world 17:53 bark yeah i figured 17:56 bark thanks a ton 17:56 bark will be some //deleteblocks for me now :) 18:41 bark http://maps.mt.sha-bang.de/#8/73.000/-64.000 18:41 bark http://maps.mt.sha-bang.de 18:42 bark sorry 18:47 Krock found the mandelbrot set! 19:25 KaadmY !server pixture 19:25 MinetestBot KaadmY: Pixture game server | pixture.quelcom.xyz | Clients: 6/10, 3/9 | Version: 0.4.14 / pixture | Ping: 17ms 19:25 KaadmY 6 players? 19:39 swift110 hmm 19:42 Passant !server illuna 19:42 MinetestBot Passant: The wonderful World of Illuna / MGv6+v7 / r0.4.14-dev / high performance | illuna-minetest.tk | Clients: 4/22, 1/5 | Version: 0.4.14-dev / minetest | Ping: 8ms 19:49 swift110 whats thar 20:22 Drakonis so this is a thing eh? 21:03 Taoki http://voxeljs.com/ As much as I'll always love Minetest and continue to stick around it, I'm kinda thinking of directing my attention toward this project more. 21:04 Taoki Looks very interesting. Especially for something done in JS and functional in a web browser. 21:04 KaadmY Taoki: does it have AO? 21:05 Taoki KaadmY: Don't know, but some examples seem to have hardware lighting... or at least fake it properly. 21:06 Taoki It can probably be programmed to have that. I figure it's not quite as easily scriptable and modable, of course 21:07 KaadmY i actually kinda like rough(?) lighting, ie. not smooth 21:07 Taoki I'm becoming somewhat skeptical about MineTest at this stage since frankly, its visuals and features department seems to be dying after RBA left us. I'm not sure if we'll see major things bringing the engine even further to completion soon. 21:07 KaadmY exactly 21:07 * Taoki is more of a fan of smooth, but it's good when there's a choice 21:08 KaadmY imo minor things, like SSAO/HDR have a massive impact on visuals 21:08 KaadmY ie. something like hard lighting+SSAO 21:08 KaadmY and have hard lighting only cast down 21:08 KaadmY or at an angle depending on sun angle 21:08 Taoki Indeed 21:09 KaadmY and SSAO does the lighting in corners 21:09 KaadmY faster, more efficient and looks better 21:09 TheReaperKing is it possible to extend the arc of the weapon swing? 21:09 KaadmY TheReaperKing: with the source, yes 21:09 KaadmY not sure exactly what has to change though 21:09 KaadmY iirc it's just a couple lines somewhere 21:09 KaadmY camera.cpp iirc 21:09 TheReaperKing by source I imagine you mean the C++ 21:09 Taoki There's a LOT that can be done with proper voxel technology. Another issue is, Minetest doesn't seem to tap a lot into that... or try to go beyond what MineCraft did. 21:09 KaadmY TheReaperKing: yes 21:09 TheReaperKing Thanks so much! 21:09 TheReaperKing That helps A LOT 21:10 KaadmY about line 410 21:10 KaadmY in src/camera.cpp 21:10 KaadmY Taoki: do you play Tesseract? 21:11 Taoki KaadmY: Mostly tried it out a few times. I like its world editor :) 21:11 KaadmY that game has tons of minor effects like hdr and sao 21:11 KaadmY yea 21:11 Taoki Gameplay kinda simple though 21:11 Drakonis HOW'S MODDING? 21:11 Drakonis rather 21:11 Taoki Yep. I love the way it does shadows and GI so cheap! 21:11 Drakonis how's modding 21:11 Drakonis god damnit 21:11 KaadmY Taoki: those effects could probably be re-implemented in MT fairly trivially 21:12 KaadmY but i'm not an expert at that stuff :) 21:12 Taoki http://shama.github.io/voxel-sky/ Good example, speaking of lighting 21:12 Taoki Might take a bit of work to adapt them, but technically yes 21:13 Drakonis node.js? boy howdy 21:13 Taoki MT does do a lot of unusual things with Irrkicht... eg: Lighting is just coloring of surfaces. 21:14 KaadmY yep 21:14 KaadmY instead of actually using irrlicht's HW lighting 21:15 KaadmY Taoki: btw i've been working on this: https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/We51pIuk/dim3nsion_screen_1.png 21:15 KaadmY fps game :P 21:15 KaadmY 100% plain C 21:15 Taoki Cool! 21:15 KaadmY not C++ 21:15 Taoki Ouch. 21:15 KaadmY yea 21:15 KaadmY speaking of C/C++: https://github.com/kaadmy/c_cpp_benchmark 21:16 Taoki Nowadays I wouldn't personally code a FPS from scratch, even if I was good at that. Would just use an existing engine, especially one with an UI like Godot. 21:16 KaadmY C++ is a few percent slower 21:16 KaadmY yes 21:16 KaadmY i dislike engines 21:16 KaadmY not enough control 21:16 rubenwardy A few percent isn't much 21:16 KaadmY ^ that screenshot, it's taken ~10 hours of work i think 21:16 rubenwardy especially given how fast C++ is already 21:16 Taoki Yeah, it's always a debate: More control vs. more ease 21:17 KaadmY C and C++ both beat python :P 21:17 rubenwardy Maybe for embedded hardware that few percent may matter 21:17 KaadmY i used to make games in python 21:17 KaadmY including FPS games 21:17 Taoki As I don't have so much energy to pour into every project, I tend to go with easy engines 21:17 rubenwardy I don't like building big things in statically typed languages 21:17 rubenwardy sorry 21:17 rubenwardy dynamically typed languages 21:18 rubenwardy well, except for web servers 21:18 KaadmY about 12 percent slower in a single for loop with a single +1 addition 21:18 rubenwardy web servers are usually pretty decoupled anyway 21:19 KaadmY 14% difference with float divions in a loop 21:19 KaadmY divisions* 21:19 KaadmY 14% is a big difference 21:19 KaadmY and people consider C and C++ to have "identical" performance 21:19 rubenwardy Doesn't gcc do C++ too? 21:20 KaadmY rubenwardy: 21:20 KaadmY yes g++ 21:20 KaadmY thats what i used for the benchmarking 21:20 Drakonis which cpu :v 21:21 rubenwardy Well, that 14% is a big relative difference, but may not actually be much of a difference IRL 21:21 KaadmY Drakonis: pretty slow CPU 21:21 KaadmY you can also try the benchmark if you'd like 21:21 rubenwardy I just ran it 21:22 KaadmY rubenwardy: any difference between C/C++ for you? 21:22 rubenwardy https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/d7c8be323758f44cff0a0ebddc5d678d 21:22 rubenwardy not sure how to read 21:22 KaadmY ah :P 21:22 Drakonis that might be an issue i guess? 21:22 KaadmY you can look at the source for it, too :D 21:22 Drakonis i have a pretty fast cp 21:22 KaadmY i tried to make it easy to read 21:22 Drakonis cpu 21:23 Drakonis intel cpu 21:23 rubenwardy Which one was the 14% for you? 21:23 KaadmY first one 21:23 KaadmY iteration[for](single +1) 21:23 KaadmY have to do the math for percentage yourself :P 21:23 KaadmY i can't check it easily between 2 seperate programs 21:23 rubenwardy 12% for me 21:24 rubenwardy (0.255-0.224)/0.255 21:24 Drakonis that seems like a really weird thing to obsess over 21:24 KaadmY btw the C++ for loop is 0.260012865067 seconds for you :) 21:24 KaadmY you did the math for the while loop 21:24 rubenwardy but 12% is still 0.23s for 100,000,000 i++ 21:25 KaadmY yes 21:25 rubenwardy So each operation is slower by 0.0000000023s 21:28 Drakonis that is meaningless in a real life situation 21:29 Taoki http://www.voxelmars.com/ This is an exampe with AO 21:29 KaadmY ah 21:29 KaadmY seen that example long ago 21:44 KaadmY Taoki: sec, bundling everything together to show you my FPS :) 21:45 KaadmY i'm testing with linux, and while it should compile on win, it likely won't 21:46 KaadmY Taoki: here https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/xPWwzFF0/dim3nsion.zip 21:47 Taoki o 21:47 Taoki *ok 21:47 KaadmY hopefully you should be able to just `unzip dim3nsion.zip; cd dim3nsion; make` 21:47 KaadmY then ./dim3nsion 21:53 KaadmY work Taoki 21:53 KaadmY ? 21:53 Taoki I might try it another time, sorry 21:54 KaadmY okay 21:54 KaadmY no problem, just curious :) 21:54 KaadmY btw if you do try it, there's no controls 21:59 KaadmY huh 21:59 KaadmY shaders won't compile on my friend's opengl 4.4 machine 22:18 KaadmY Taoki: incase you've already tried dim3nsion, there's a bug with shader loading 22:18 KaadmY sometimes shaders won't compile, fixed now 22:18 KaadmY https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/fngfO64m/dim3nsion.zip 22:35 whitephoenix I have a mesh with a custom node, but its very small yet its hitbox takes up a whole block, can I make it smaller 22:36 whitephoenix I changed the selection box though