Time Nick Message 10:05 w_laenger hi 10:12 Krock hi HybridDog 10:13 w_laenger I've got a question about the minetest ppa 10:13 w_laenger I did it again… 10:13 w_laenger Why is minetest stored as one package and not more ones? 10:14 sfan5 what kind of question is that 10:14 w_laenger If something in the source code gets changed, everything gets downloaded again 10:15 w_laenger I think it's a question about updating minetest on ubuntu 10:15 sfan5 does it matter? 10:15 w_laenger yes 10:15 sfan5 why 10:15 w_laenger If only the binary file needs to be downloaded, updating works a lot faster 10:16 w_laenger and my changes on the shaders would be kept kept 10:17 sfan5 1) do you pay internet by data downloaded or what? 10:17 w_laenger the stable minetest could consist of one package 10:17 sfan5 2) that's your problem 10:18 w_laenger no, I mean faster updating, so you don't need to wait so long until apt is finished 10:18 sfan5 oh you mean that 10:18 sfan5 it won't make a difference 10:19 w_laenger minetest_game would also be put into a seperate package 10:19 sfan5 it won't make a difference 10:20 w_laenger why? 10:23 w_laenger Why is the formspec of the main menu so small? 10:24 sfan5 w_laenger: the small difference in files that are changed won't make any time difference 10:24 sfan5 if your disk is so slow that it will make a difference then you'll have other things to worry about 11:14 MinetestBot 02[git] 04hunterdelyx1 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix bug that was leading to oversized tooltips containing multiline text when it have multiple lines 1321079cc https://git.io/vwRz7 (152016-04-23T21:12:53+10:00) 12:19 Calinou I ordered a mechanical keyboard :D 12:30 Zeno` nice! 12:30 Zeno` the best kind 12:31 Zeno` nothing like the tactile response 12:31 Zeno` and they last forever 12:31 Zeno` Calinou, what did you get? 12:32 Calinou Zeno`: Logitech G710+ 12:32 Calinou it was on sale 12:32 Zeno` nice find :) 12:32 Calinou this will replace my Logitech G11, it's 6 years old 12:32 Calinou it's not mechanical 12:33 Zeno` it's hard to go back to cheap keyboards after experiencing quality 12:34 Zeno` I have a das 12:34 Zeno` but it's the switches that count (really) not the brand 12:36 Calinou Zeno`: there's a laptop with mechanical keyboard, a MSI 12:36 Calinou very expensive 12:37 Calinou Zeno`: the Logitech I will get has MX Brown switches 12:37 Calinou I briefly looked at the G910, it has more features, but they're mostly gimmicks 12:37 Zeno` very good 12:37 Calinou much more expensive (€140 vs €90 for this one) 12:37 Zeno` yeah don't need gimmicks 12:37 Hirato gimmicks like gold plated USB ports 12:37 Calinou even if you get a The Division key, which you can then resell 12:38 Calinou (you don't with the G710+) 12:38 Zeno` I had a honeywell keyboard that lasted me over 15 years 12:38 Zeno` (and it didn't break, I replaced it) 12:38 Hirato I got a DAS keyboard for work, it's pretty sweet 12:38 Hirato and the ruler on the back it uses as a stand is just.. the most german thing I've ever seen 12:38 Zeno` Hirato, yeah I love mine 12:39 Zeno` the logitech g11 is good as well from what I can see 12:39 Zeno` the main thing is that it's mechanical :) 12:39 Calinou it has 18 programmable keys, I haven't used a single one of them... 12:39 Calinou so the G710+ having only 6 keys is not a bad thing 12:40 Hirato the programmable keys don't really work in linux anyway 12:40 Calinou yeah 12:40 tpe Trying to decide between MX Red (or similar) and MX Brown. Siding towards Brown because I don't just game. 12:40 Calinou <-- uses Windows right now :( 12:40 Calinou tpe: I do game 12:40 Hirato I'd go with brown anyway 12:40 Hirato since lots of people with Reds complain they press too many keys by accident 12:41 Calinou this will be my first mechanical 12:41 Hirato (or end up with double registrations) 12:41 Zeno` I have cherry brown 12:41 tpe Yeah, I haven't actually tried the switches myself to compare, but I'm not to sure on the idea of linear. Brown's tactile response sounds like it would suit me better. 12:41 Hirato no idea how slow they must type, since I always up the key-repeat rate a tonne 12:42 Calinou I currently type at ~113 WPM on this keyboard 12:42 Calinou in English 12:44 * Hirato just doesn't like waiting ~2 seconds for a web page to start scrolling 12:45 Calinou Hirato: OS X key repeat is slooow by default D: 12:45 Calinou Linux TTY is a bit too fast 12:45 Hirato lol, linux TTY is fine 12:45 Calinou so I like Windows/desktop GNU/Linux's repeat rate 12:45 Hirato if anything I find it a bit slow 12:46 Hirato I keep Windows at its fastest, and I tend to set desktop linux to 150ms delay with 50 reps/s 13:41 CWz Zeno`, hey 14:44 H-H-H hey guys is minetest suposed to have a borderless window from a fresh build on linux ? 14:45 H-H-H there was a bug reported before wich i commented on but no one seems to know if this is expected behaviour or not 14:49 H-H-H stupid thing is without the border on the window how do you close the program ? 14:51 H-H-H i guess right click the minetest tab in taskbar and select close works just as well 15:00 H-H-H wow i just checked and this bug has been about since end of 2014 :| 15:02 AndDT H-H-H: I think it is a task for your window manager 15:03 H-H-H could you elaborate on what you mean? 15:04 H-H-H because on the issue tracker it is also noted as a bug and possibly an upstream issue 15:04 H-H-H https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2022 15:04 H-H-H if there is anything you can think of i can try/test/check on my end please feel free to suggest it 15:13 H-H-H AndDT ? 15:14 AndDT I use win-shift-c key shortcut for closing a window without decorations in openbox 15:14 AndDT and win-d can toggle visibility of a decorations 15:15 H-H-H oh ok you mean to close it sorry i thought you meant the bug was not a bug but a problem with my system lol 15:17 AndDT Guys who reproduced this bug used unity+compiz and xfce+compiz, so may be something wrong with compiz? 15:18 H-H-H hmmm ok i will uninstall compiz and try 15:22 H-H-H ok now doing a new build after removing compiz and rebooting just to make sure 15:25 AndDT I think it's runtime problem, you cannot solve it by recompiling 15:26 H-H-H im only recompiling incase anything was linked in the original build 15:26 H-H-H its just to make sure it is using my system as it is now 15:26 H-H-H a precaution 15:27 AndDT afaik minetest doesn't link to any of windowmanager's libs 15:27 H-H-H maybe not but other libs that it does link to might have previously 15:28 H-H-H nope its exactly the same 15:28 H-H-H i should update github 15:30 H-H-H github updated 15:31 H-H-H thanks for suggestions though :) 15:47 swift110-phone hey guys 15:48 H-H-H hi 15:48 Void7_ hi 15:50 swift110-phone hiw ' ? 15:50 swift110-phone how r u h-h-h 15:50 swift110-phone how r u void7 15:51 Void7_ good :) 15:56 H-H-H im good ty how are you 16:07 H-H-H hey can anyone remember a while back there was a gist that enabled the title of a book to be shown as item description , i think it might have been by sofar but dont quote me on that lol 16:10 kaadmy i don't think that's even possible at the moment, but I haven't been keeping track of recent development in MT 16:10 kaadmy ^ about having item descriptions change dynamically 16:11 H-H-H it is possible as i merged the patch into current mijnetest code 16:11 H-H-H but i cant find the gist at moment :| 16:37 H-H-H man im going to have to go through all my hard drives now coz i cant find it lol 16:40 H-H-H ha think i found it lol 16:42 H-H-H now double checking 16:44 Zeno` I have a cunning idea 16:44 H-H-H o crap lol hide 16:44 Zeno` if it's merged into mijnetest then just get it from the commit history! 16:44 H-H-H nooo it isnt and wasnt 16:45 Zeno` it is possible as i merged the patch into current mijnetest code 16:45 Zeno` stop confusing me! 16:45 Zeno` lol 16:45 Krock nijnetest 16:45 H-H-H i mean current code on my machine on a different hard drive lol 16:45 Krock s/ni/mi/ 16:46 H-H-H and ty for typo correction krock :) 16:46 CWz Zeno`, allo 16:46 H-H-H Krock* 16:46 Krock H-H-H, but it's actually mijnetest 16:48 H-H-H yay found it lol will show ya a pic lol in a min when i remember what my screenshot shortcut key is lol 16:49 Krock o ye fine tanx 16:53 H-H-H http://picpaste.com/pics/Screenshot_2016-04-23_17-52-04-cr8xeU7v.1461430354.png 16:53 H-H-H book title and author as its description in inventorys 16:58 AndDT oh, opengl 4.5.0 16:58 Calinou I don't know any software that makes use of OpenGL 4.5 features :P 16:58 AndDT my dream. As for now I have a poor OpenGL1.4 card 16:58 Calinou so it's just for bragging right now 16:59 AndDT I mean I am dreaming about more powerful videocard 16:59 Calinou AndDT: GTX 750 is plenty for playing Minetest 17:00 Calinou supports OpenGL 4.5, about €100 17:00 Calinou can be found in passive cooling 17:00 Calinou (750 Ti can, as well) 17:01 AndDT May be it's incorrect but I measure power of gpu comparing with opengl version that it supports 17:01 AndDT oh, my english. Need to spend more time in irc 17:03 sofar H-H-H: I updated that patch yet, it's in a PR right now 17:04 sofar #3984 17:06 H-H-H cool thanks sofar5 17:07 H-H-H sofar * 17:07 H-H-H grrr im suffering bad typolitus today sorry 17:07 H-H-H i just applied your old patch to current head and it works fine but will take a look at your pr and see how different they are 17:08 H-H-H i never worried to much before because i think it was you sofar who said it was a waste of time because that part of the code was going to be changing signifacantly anyway 17:08 H-H-H but meh it still seems to work ok 17:08 sofar #3984 is a far better way of doing it 17:11 H-H-H looking now 17:14 H-H-H i had never even seen keys in minetyest untill i saw that pr lol 17:14 H-H-H mineteswt* 17:14 H-H-H grrr minetest* 17:25 H-H-H hok lets try the new way then lol as the old way doesnt quite work how it used to 17:25 sofar https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/issues/1054 17:26 sofar that's the revised key patch to match #3984 17:28 H-H-H thanks goto walk the dogs so will look in a fewe 17:57 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Ekdohibs -> 03minetest/minetest: Escape more strings: formspecs, item descriptions, infotexts... 1348939df https://git.io/vwRH8 (152016-04-24T03:54:11+10:00) 18:17 H-H-H ok loads of errors on applying that pr lol lets see what i screwed up 18:24 sofar you can always just directly pull my branch 18:24 sofar that will always work 18:24 H-H-H ok thanks i might just do that 18:25 H-H-H or maybe i wont lol 18:25 H-H-H This branch is 1354 commits behind minetest:master 18:25 sofar huh 18:26 sofar do you know how to use remotes? 18:26 H-H-H i was looking at your github repo 18:26 H-H-H https://github.com/sofar/minetest 18:26 sofar it's not in there 18:26 H-H-H or do you have a branch on main repo 18:26 sofar do you want the itemstack meta PR or the keys PR? 18:27 H-H-H im after the itemstack pr at the moment and then i might look at the keys pr 18:27 sofar go to your git/minetest 18:28 H-H-H ok 18:28 H-H-H and im a very basic git user so please be gentle lol 18:29 sofar git remote add orwell96 https://github.com/orwell96/minetest 18:29 sofar then 18:29 sofar git fetch orwell96 18:29 sofar then 18:29 sofar git checkout orwell96/master 18:29 sofar now you are seeing the exact PR for the metadata 18:29 sofar so compile that 18:30 H-H-H ok thanks 18:30 H-H-H i will give it a try, i did try folowing a tutorial which showed how to d/l the pr as a patch but it didnt apply cleanly 18:30 sofar yup, that's more difficult 18:31 H-H-H HEAD is now at 46bc51e... Merge pull request #1 from sofar/3984 18:32 H-H-H seems to be the right place thanks 18:32 Krock eeks. someone doesn't know how to use git branches 18:32 Krock pushing it all to master <.< 18:32 H-H-H unfortunately we arent all as knowledgable as some of you folks :) 18:40 H-H-H hmm sofar do you have a minute? 18:41 H-H-H all i seem to get now is "Book with text" instead of how it used to be "booktitle by author" 19:00 H-H-H ok going to go back and look at the original patch see why that one works and this one doesnt 19:02 sofar H-H-H: the book title patch isn't in that PR 19:02 MinetestBot 02[git] 04KevDoy -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Default: New heart texture 13fa43bd8 https://git.io/vwR5R (152016-04-23T20:01:09+01:00) 19:03 H-H-H o ok lol i thought it was lol 19:06 H-H-H lol found it in the pr lol 19:06 H-H-H need to apply it now 19:10 Sokomine can anyone successfully connect to oldcoders server at port 30012? i can't 19:11 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Farming: Add quiet sounds to seeds 13f32a3ff https://git.io/vwR5h (152016-04-23T20:09:04+01:00) 19:11 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kilbith -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Flowers: Fix waterlily node's duplication with stack of 1 1316fe1ef https://git.io/vwR5j (152016-04-23T20:08:43+01:00) 19:11 sofar H-H-H: I haven't refreshed the books PR to display the title with the new patch yet 19:12 H-H-H yep what i thought was it wasnt lol dont spose you happen to have the book title patch available , in the pr it says you have done it ? 19:16 sofar which PR? 19:17 H-H-H for book titles 19:19 sofar in what PR do I say I have done it? 19:23 kaadmy "Add quiet sounds to seeds" 19:23 kaadmy >.> 19:25 H-H-H 3984 19:26 H-H-H sofar commented 8 days ago 19:26 H-H-H Same test for books. 19:27 H-H-H right after you say : and I've ported my keys patch over to use this code path. 19:27 H-H-H with 2 pics one showing the keys working and one showing the books working 19:27 sofar sure, that's a screenshot :) 19:27 sofar I haven't pushed that patch anywhere 19:28 sofar I could, of course, and should :) 19:28 H-H-H well i asumed it was done as you show a screenshot of it being used lol so i thought i would ask if you have it available so i could use it 19:29 sofar it needs to be a separate PR 19:29 sofar I can push, just need some time to prep it 19:29 H-H-H cool :) the other half will be happy lol 19:31 sofar https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/1055 19:31 * sofar hugs git reflog 19:58 aix hi 20:17 H-H-H ty sofar that works a treat :) 20:44 swift110 hey guys 21:23 tpe Fractal world = spaceship fun. http://i.imgur.com/b2CcSta.png 21:24 kaadmy O.O 21:32 Fixer not baaad 22:12 Sokomine can someone do me a favor and try to connect to minetest.org port 30012? for reasons unkown i can't manage to connect. other servers of oldcoder work fine 22:30 sofar Sokomine: takes forever on "media" 22:33 sofar I'm still on "media" 22:39 sofar Sokomine: still... 22:41 OldCoder sofar, others connect fine, including people in Europe 22:41 OldCoder My suggestion is that people may wish to pre-install the cache 22:41 H-H-H i can try if you like? 22:41 Sokomine so it's not just me. i tried with an empty media cache now as well - still no success :-( 22:41 OldCoder H-H-H, please connect 22:42 Sokomine yes, that would be helpful, h-h-h. please try 22:43 H-H-H currently d/l media 22:44 * H-H-H whistles a tune while the media d/l,s 22:46 OldCoder I'll try, myself, with an empty cache 22:47 H-H-H 2/3rds done 22:47 sofar OldCoder: I'm on a fast line, that shouldn't be the issue 22:48 OldCoder It's just that it's a lot of media... 22:48 OldCoder When I renamed my cache 22:48 OldCoder It became slow as well. I'll update the cache for this world. 22:48 OldCoder 50% for me 22:48 OldCoder Is there a timeout setting that will help Sokomine ? 22:49 OldCoder I mean, I'll *upload* the cache for this world 22:49 sofar "POST http://minetest.org/media/curl/index.mth HTTP/1.1" 200 468457 "-" "Minetest/0.4.13-dev-48939df (Linux/4.5.0-1-ARCH x86_64)" 22:49 sofar why is it POSTing to the cache? 22:49 OldCoder You tell me? 22:49 OldCoder Is that possible? 22:50 sofar GET http://servers.minetest.net/list? 22:50 sofar followed by that POST 22:50 OldCoder Hm? Go on? 22:50 * OldCoder checks web logs 22:50 OldCoder Yes there are POSTs 22:50 OldCoder What are the POSTs doing there? 22:51 OldCoder ?? 22:51 sofar I have no idea, but my transparent http proxy is showing POST's 22:51 OldCoder 98.207.100.95 - - [23/Apr/2016:15:47:01 -0700] "POST /media/curl/index.mth HTTP/1.1" 200 468146 "-" "Minetest/0.4.13-dev (Linux/3.19.5-150421 i686)" 22:51 OldCoder 50.43.32.112 - - [23/Apr/2016:15:48:19 -0700] "POST /media/curl/index.mth HTTP/1.1" 200 468146 "-" "Minetest/0.4.13-dev-48939df (Linux/4.5.0-1-ARCH x86_64)" 22:51 OldCoder It isn't just you 22:51 OldCoder MT 0.4.13 is POSTing to my server 22:51 OldCoder Let's see if older releases are doing it... 22:52 H-H-H let me check my ver 22:52 sofar I don't even know what index.mth is 22:52 OldCoder It seems to be just 0.4.13 and Android 22:52 H-H-H im using a 4.13 22:52 OldCoder index.mth is an index file... here is the code that creates it: 22:52 OldCoder find $MEDIADIR -type f ! -name index.mth | while read f; do 22:52 OldCoder cat "$f" | openssl dgst -binary -sha1 >> $MEDIADIR/index.mth 22:52 OldCoder done 22:53 OldCoder That is the entire script. It's an openssl digest. 22:53 H-H-H but thats not my uname details 22:53 OldCoder But what are the POSTs for? 22:53 sofar to push data to a server 22:53 OldCoder H-H-H many people are POSTing right now to that file 22:53 H-H-H o ok 22:53 OldCoder It isn't modifying the file 22:53 OldCoder Ahhh 22:53 OldCoder Wait 22:54 OldCoder sofar, H-H-H is it possible... 22:54 OldCoder The client uploads the local index.mth for the server to compare with the server's copy? 22:54 sofar ./clientmedia.cpp: // Write a list of hashes that we need. This will be POSTed 22:54 OldCoder Ninja! 22:54 OldCoder Dancing Ninjas 22:54 H-H-H lol 22:54 * OldCoder dusts hands with satisfaction 22:55 OldCoder Yes, this world is an acid test for media cache 22:55 sofar terrible design if you ask me 22:55 OldCoder It has a lot of media... but why is Sokomine timing out? 22:55 H-H-H mine seems to have hung 22:55 OldCoder Wait 22:55 H-H-H i see no network activity well not that you would associate with d/l a bunch of media anyway 22:55 OldCoder The scary part... 22:55 OldCoder Yes 22:56 OldCoder But this is the *curl* server 22:56 OldCoder Meaning, this is the *fast* download 22:56 OldCoder O_O 22:56 OldCoder I'm going to triple the curl timeout... 22:56 H-H-H crap lol 22:56 OldCoder But I thought this approach was supposed to be fast?? 22:56 H-H-H i hit quit lol and as it was trying to close it started to load the nodes lol 22:57 OldCoder It is OK 22:57 OldCoder You have the cache 22:57 H-H-H retrying 22:57 OldCoder Found a bug! 22:57 OldCoder Try this 22:57 OldCoder Once it hangs 22:57 OldCoder Just press Escape 22:57 OldCoder and cache may be downloaded 22:58 OldCoder No... it's downloading more 22:58 OldCoder So, is there any way to speed up the curl download? 22:58 OldCoder A patch, I mean? 22:58 sofar I don't see any additional requests going out 22:59 sofar so, mine is dead stuck 22:59 OldCoder So, it's a bug? 23:00 OldCoder Your client seems to stop 23:00 OldCoder to upload index.mth 23:00 OldCoder that takes a while 23:00 * OldCoder can see this in real time 23:01 sofar I really don't like this POST implementation 23:01 OldCoder Restarting nginx 23:01 sofar it should just request the url/hashes 23:02 H-H-H mine seems to have started grabbing media again 23:02 * OldCoder is tuning nginx 23:03 OldCoder I wonder if the POST stops everything on the server side 23:04 Sokomine my client used to hang at media. i saw no further progress there and eventually aborted. no network traffic of note, no cpu load...and nothing going on, even after several minutes 23:04 Sokomine hope the bug can be found 23:04 OldCoder I don't see media going out 23:04 OldCoder sofar, H-H-H I think there is a bug... 23:05 OldCoder I've tuned the web server to be very accommodating to load 23:05 sofar yeah, that's not it. client is just stuck. 23:05 H-H-H yeah mines stopped again now :| 23:06 OldCoder I see no activity 23:06 OldCoder BTW I still have an octocore 23:06 OldCoder So it isn't server slow 23:06 H-H-H nothing going out from minetest or comming in 23:06 OldCoder Right 23:06 OldCoder I see nothing in the logs 23:06 OldCoder Is anybody supporting the curl code? 23:07 OldCoder And are there any curl settings in minetest.conf other than curl timeout? 23:07 sofar number of threads 23:07 sofar but that seems to be irrelevant 23:07 OldCoder So, I can tune web server and set curl_timeout=100000 23:08 OldCoder But that is about it? 23:08 OldCoder What could be blocking responses in the client or MT core? 23:08 H-H-H access denied : reason connection timed out 23:09 OldCoder Huh 23:09 OldCoder Try it now 23:09 OldCoder It suddenly sped up for me 23:09 OldCoder I'm in 23:09 OldCoder H-H-H retry it 23:09 sofar that worked 23:09 sofar somehow 23:09 OldCoder I just set 23:09 H-H-H i am its now doing media 23:10 OldCoder curl_timeout=100000 23:10 H-H-H im in 23:10 OldCoder How did that help so much? 23:10 OldCoder Sokomine, try it 23:10 OldCoder H-H-H, sofar type /news 23:10 OldCoder /sokohello jumps to a city that Sokomine worked on years ago 23:11 OldCoder Calinou's old world is also here, type /calinou 23:11 OldCoder I will migrate dozens of old cities here 23:11 OldCoder Hi 23:11 OldCoder Type /news 23:11 OldCoder Hello 23:11 Fixer Hi 23:12 OldCoder Fixer hello 23:12 OldCoder Got old cities you wish revived? 23:12 Fixer old cities? 23:12 OldCoder Go to Finerealms 23:12 Fixer what kinds of cities? 23:12 Fixer on server? 23:12 OldCoder I'm going to put old cities there 23:12 OldCoder Go there and type /news 23:12 OldCoder Port 30012 minetest.org 23:12 Fixer ah, ok, will join 23:13 OldCoder Sokomine, it should work now 23:14 OldCoder That setting is far more important than understood 23:15 OldCoder Don't mind all the elephants 23:21 Sokomine ok. will try 23:24 Sokomine seems i somehow timed out? 23:24 Sokomine but at least the world does load now. and it does remind me of an old world 23:24 OldCoder sofar, what do you think? 23:27 sofar about the world? it's got some nice stuff 23:28 H-H-H OldCoder i dont know what you just typed but i got a load of deserialization errors 23:28 OldCoder Happens 23:28 OldCoder sofar, we'll put a bunch of other abandoned cities there 23:28 OldCoder ttys o/