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00:58 MinetestBot    02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Default: Create 'grass', 'dry_grass' groups, use in dirt conversion ABM 130ca43e4 https://git.io/vwqIN (152016-04-18T01:52:03+01:00)
00:58 MinetestBot    02[git] 04sofar -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Character: Fix boat leg wobble. 1333aa5e7 https://git.io/vwqIA (152016-04-18T01:51:57+01:00)
01:30 DI3HARD139     Anyone know if there are any plans to use Vulkan?
02:53 sofar          DI3HARD139: that would be an irrlicht question
05:25 cimbakahn      Hello!
05:26 cimbakahn      Does anyone know what this means ----> ERROR[main]: NodeResolver: failed to resolve node name 'technic:uranium_mineral'.
05:28 sofar          broken mod, or unstinstalled mod?
05:29 cimbakahn      I am attempting it again to see if it shows up again......
05:32 cimbakahn      Yep!  It still shows.
05:33 cimbakahn      Could it be that the node is misspelled?
05:34 cimbakahn      Is technic:uranium_mineral the correct spelling?
05:35 sofar          minetest.register_node( ":technic:mineral_uranium", {
05:35 sofar          misspelled, yes
05:37 cimbakahn      Ok.  Thank you!  Just need to find out where to rename it......
05:56 cimbakahn      I downloaded the newest one and it has the correct spelling.
09:41 germanuel24    mesecons texture question: When i place mese_lamp nodes on top of each other and put another node in front the mese_lamp node light shines THROUGH the edges which looks extremely ugly..how to fix this?
09:43 germanuel24    It only happens with mese_lamp nodes..others like lightstone do not have this issue..i looked at the texture itself but cannot find a problem
09:45 germanuel24    Maybe the LIGHT_MAX setting is too high?
09:58 germanuel24    Ok so changing the light source setting did not help at all...now I'll try to change the PNG a bit
10:37 Krock          what if you dig the stuff and place them again with the new light source value?
10:43 germanuel24    Krock, Sorry i made a mistake it's the default:meselamp not mesecons one... i tried now: 1. reduce light_source of node by 1/2 no change 2. edited PNG file and made sides darker (little change)
10:43 germanuel24    by 1 and 2*
10:43 Krock          you can't stop the light that goes through the edges
10:43 Krock          it's a core problem (??)
10:43 Krock          could also be something with irrlicht
10:44 germanuel24    But it doesn't happen with mesecons_lightstone?
10:45 Krock          it always happens. No screenie no proof
10:46 germanuel24    It seems to depend on how bright the node is.. darker = need to be further away to notice it
11:07 Krock          again a server down?
11:28 nrzkt          !server Apple
11:28 MinetestBot    nrzkt: AppleTree - Survival PvE & Build | pts.epixel-game.net | Clients: 6/50, 7/16 | Version: 1.0.0-alpha19-dev / epixel | Ping: 17ms
11:29 nrzkt          sfan5, maybe could be good to add lag to this command output ? :)
11:30 sfan5          maybe
16:48 germanuel24    Is there a way to adjust the breath losing under water without an extra mod? Like is it hard coded in C++?
16:50 sofar          client side, even
16:52 germanuel24    Which file do i need to edit for that?
17:12 germanuel24    I cannot find it =/ Surely there must be a setting anywhere that tells the engine after how many seconds to reduce the breath?
17:13 Krock          germanuel24, environment.cpp:2536
17:14 Krock          hardcoded to 2.0 seconds
17:14 germanuel24    So it IS hard coded...and can i adjust it with the API?
17:14 Krock          if it's hardcoded, how would you want to change it?
17:14 Krock          because that's what hardcoded means..
17:14 Krock          you can't change it
17:15 germanuel24    So any server that has a higher delay is edited + compiled?
17:16 Krock          bingo
17:16 germanuel24    And there is no hacky way around?
17:17 Krock          hacky would be if you change it by yourself
17:17 Krock          of add a minetest setting into the source code for this value
17:17 Krock          *minetest.conf
17:19 germanuel24    So without compiling i can give up...
17:20 Krock          yep. use the white flag to resign
17:22 germanuel24    Is compiling hard for a noob?
17:23 Krock          germanuel24, not for linux. But you're not a noob if you can't do that on windows
17:23 germanuel24    I have Ubuntu...so i need the software gcc and the source folder from github right?
17:24 * Calinou      removes Babun and installs Cygwin
17:24 Calinou        bare Cygwin + some packages + ConEmu is very good, and less bloated than Babun
17:24 Krock          there are simple one-line commands on the forum
17:24 Calinou        it just needs zsh and oh-my-zsh :)
17:24 Krock          germanuel24, https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837
17:25 Krock          it will install you everything you need
17:25 germanuel24    But i can edit the files before? Like adjusting chat messages and timers?
17:26 Krock          germanuel24, do the whole script until " cd ..;"
17:26 Krock          after that it will start cmake and all the build stuff
17:28 germanuel24    ok and when I'm done editing just the rest?
17:29 germanuel24    So i run everything after cd ..?
17:29 Krock          yep
17:29 germanuel24    Will it install minetest-stable or dev?
17:29 Krock          it will use the code frmo github master, so indev
17:30 Krock          *from
17:30 germanuel24    Isn't that rather bad for a server?
17:30 Krock          why?
17:30 Krock          it has backwards compatibility
17:30 germanuel24    Well most people tell me to always use stable versions
17:30 germanuel24    to run servers*
17:30 Krock          everywhere else yes - but not in Minetest :P
17:31 germanuel24    Okay..i will try now thanks
17:31 Krock          the last stable was released months ago, so you would miss many changes
17:31 Krock          ack. it's about a half year now
17:36 germanuel24    Krock, Yes but sometimes the dev version has new bugs too
17:36 Asuran         Krock, hardcocded means its not easy editable
17:36 Asuran         it means its coded in c++ instead of an easy language to program it or even a config
17:37 Krock          Asuran, if it was in Lua, it wouldn't be harcoded
17:37 Asuran         real problem comes when hardcoded is complexer then changing an int from 20 to 10 or such or 20 to 35
17:37 Krock          no matter how, lua is easy to edit
17:37 germanuel24    Can i edit .cpp files in any editor?
17:37 Asuran         yes
17:38 Krock          geany, atom.. doesn't matter as long you have a good syntax highlighter
17:38 germanuel24    Ok and before i continue with the cmake command i need to make sure the .minetest folder is empty right?
17:38 Asuran         but no editor with extra tags like word
17:39 Calinou        germanuel24, sometimes, Git versions of software are more stable than the stable versions
17:39 Calinou        this is why some software is rolling-release, there are no fixed releases or deadlines.
17:39 Krock          germanuel24, sometimes there are bugs, yes. But with many testers around they're reported and fixed quickly. Just blame the developer who wrote the bad commit and there will be some activity :P
17:39 Calinou        germanuel24, compiling Minetest on GNU/Linux is very easy, but on Windows it'll take hours because you need to gather dependencies :)
17:40 Asuran         i know this too
17:40 Krock          ^ and finding the errors when it doesn't compile
17:40 Krock          gawd.. I hate you, leveldb!
17:40 germanuel24    Okay... so i am in the minetest folder now..i edit all the files with my editor and save them and when I'm done i BACKUP my old .minetest folder or just the world folder?
17:40 Calinou        Krock, use an IDE :D
17:40 Asuran         manuel is the breath controled server side or jsut checked to prevent cheating?
17:40 Asuran         or whatever it does
17:41 Asuran         *else
17:41 Calinou        germanuel24, the Minetest source is cloned with Git with that script; the original version will be kept locally
17:41 Krock          Calinou, you ninja'd me :<
17:41 Calinou        if you screw up, you can type "git reset --hard HEAD" to undo all local changes in ~/minetest
17:41 Calinou        (~/minetest, not ~/.minetest)
17:41 Krock          Asuran, yes. That way it's not possible to cheat there
17:42 germanuel24    Oh..right now my version is in ~/.minetest so the commands will not affect it?
17:42 Krock          or at least it's difficult
17:42 Krock          Calinou, an IDE doesn't help when there are unresolved external symbols
17:43 Asuran         Krock, wait, doesn't visual studio help there?
17:43 Asuran         im unsure
17:43 germanuel24    But at the end it will replace the contents of my ~/.minetest folder no? So i need to make sure i backup the world folder somewhere so that i can just paste it
17:43 Krock          I have visual studio but I doubt it would make any change if I would compile it there
17:43 Asuran         idk
17:43 Asuran         im no programmer
17:44 Krock          become a programmer
17:44 Asuran         haha i guess no
17:44 Krock          why not? it's something great
17:44 Asuran         not in this world
17:44 Asuran         ^^
17:44 Asuran         anyways
17:44 Asuran         i tried
17:44 germanuel24    WAIT LevelDB is not SQL? So map.sqlite is not compatible with this version?
17:44 Krock          Asuran, switch the world then. You're definitely in a wrong one
17:44 Asuran         i switched the world maybe
17:44 Krock          germanuel24, SQLite and LevelDB are two different database backends
17:44 Asuran         to something different
17:45 Krock          err what?
17:46 germanuel24    So the map file can be .sqlite with LevelDB?
17:46 Krock          germanuel24, no. leveldb will save it in a seperate "map" directory
17:46 Krock          or similar
17:46 Calinou        Redis is not SQL either, I think
17:47 germanuel24    So i cannot use my old world with this version then?
17:47 Krock          germanuel24, you can have both backends supported
17:47 Krock          "libsqlite3-dev", you installed that one with that command
17:47 Krock          this means you have sqlite support to access to that older world
17:47 germanuel24    Ok good!
17:48 Krock          lol.. would be dumb as hell if there was just one backend
17:48 Krock          either leveldb or sqlite.. nah.
17:52 germanuel24    All 0.4.13 mods are 100% supported in the dev version?
17:53 Calinou        Krock, I'm installing MinGW-w64 too
17:53 Calinou        I chose posix threads and seh exception, that's the defaults... looked a bit on Stack Overflow
17:53 Krock          germanuel24, yes.
17:53 Krock          Calinou, nice :)
18:00 germanuel24    if(m_drowning_interval.step(dtime, 2.0)) thats the line for the breath losing interval right?
18:00 Calinou        yes
18:00 Calinou        dtime is delta time, in seconds
18:01 germanuel24    if(m_breathing_interval.step(dtime, 0.5)) and that's for giving breath back?
18:02 Calinou        Krock, also getting 32-bit version
18:02 Calinou        germanuel24, yes
18:03 Calinou        Krock, now I'll have 4 compilers (if not more) installed on my system \o/
18:03 Calinou        VS in 32 and 64-bit, MinGW in 32 and 64-bit
18:03 germanuel24    Oh by the way...did the script download 32-bit?
18:03 Calinou        that should be enough to compile any Windows software on earth, I hope \o/
18:03 Krock          scripts don't care on what platform you are
18:03 Calinou        germanuel24, no, it compiles for 64-bitif you're on 64-bit, or 32-bit if you're on 32-bit
18:03 germanuel24    Ok so i don't need to choose
18:03 Krock          Calinou, whoa. That's a huge collection :<
18:05 Calinou        germanuel24, yes
18:06 germanuel24    Does anyone know where the join/leave messages are? I want to edit those
18:06 Calinou        you can use grep
18:07 Calinou        use cd to navigate to the Minetest source folder (~/minetest/src), type: grep -r "joined the game"
18:07 Calinou        and grep -r "left the game"
18:07 Calinou        it'll return all files that contain it :)
18:09 germanuel24    -R -n to even return the line nice
18:15 germanuel24    To remove an entire message i only delete the message =+ lines
18:16 germanuel24    ?
18:16 germanuel24    +=* sorry
18:16 Calinou        germanuel24, I don't think it'll work
18:17 germanuel24    Or i leave them empty will it not send then?
18:22 germanuel24    Does the script enable cURL?
18:24 Calinou        germanuel24, I'm pretty sure it does
18:24 Calinou        it enables most optional features
18:25 germanuel24    Ok cause you need cURL for announcing right?
18:27 germanuel24    Will LevelDB need more performance over just SQL?
18:27 germanuel24    I mean enabling both
18:27 Calinou        a world only uses one database backend at once.
18:28 Calinou        if you play multiplayer, you won't notice any difference on the client.
18:28 germanuel24    And as server?
18:28 Calinou        if you play singleplayer, note that using LevelDB is not always faster, and it's not the default back-end anyway (you need to edit a file to change the world's database backend)
18:28 Calinou        my advice is, stick to SQLite in most cases
18:28 Calinou        it's enough for small servers (up to 10-15 players)
18:28 germanuel24    Ok but just enabling LevelDB will not eat resources when i play on a SQL map?
18:35 Calinou        it won't
18:35 Calinou        none of the LevelDB-specific code will run
18:39 germanuel24    Should i uninstall the stable first that i got via software-center?
18:40 Calinou        yes
18:41 Calinou        although they don't interfere per se
18:49 germanuel24    How long does compiling take on an old computer? Any estimates?
18:49 sfan5          depends on how long
18:49 sfan5          s/long/old/
18:50 germanuel24    Uh..I'm lost
18:51 germanuel24    I mean does anyone have estimates on how long it takes on an old machine?
18:52 germanuel24    Intel Celeron  @ 2.6 Ghz
18:54 kaadmy         takes about 5-10 minutes for me
18:54 Krock          germanuel24, if it's singlecore expect 15 minutes
18:54 germanuel24    Ok so it will definitely not take an hour or more?
18:55 Krock          naah
18:55 Calinou        Krock, my MinGW 64-bit works, it can compile Lua :)
18:55 Krock          Calinou, that's great to hear :D
18:55 kaadmy         Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU L7100 @ 1.20GHz
18:55 germanuel24    Dou is dual-core?
18:55 Krock          Athlong 64 4000+ @ 2.4 GHz
18:55 Krock          *Athlon
18:56 Krock          that's singlecore and maybe a bit better than your celeron
18:56 germanuel24    Ok... does it also depend on RAM?
18:56 Krock          naaaah.. never heard of ANY appliaction that would use any RAM
18:57 Krock          yes sure it does.
18:57 germanuel24    I mean are there big difference in compiling?
18:57 kaadmy         maybe a little slower at first guess
18:57 Krock          if your swap is fast enough you won't notice much
18:57 germanuel24    I have 768 MB + 768 MB swap lol
18:57 Krock          must be enough.
18:59 germanuel24    Ok so...i tell now everyone on my server that i take it offline for about 30 minutes, then i uninstall the stable version, then i run cmake..correct?
19:00 Krock          cmake and make are required to build it
19:00 germanuel24    Yeah i followed the one-line script until the cd .. part
19:00 Krock          not sure if you must uninstall the old version of if it's overwritten
19:00 Krock          -of
19:01 * Krock        points somewhere on the userlist with the hope someone could help
19:02 germanuel24    Right now part of my installation is in /usr/share/minetest... will the dev-build put files there too?
19:05 Calinou        germanuel24, no, it'll put the data files in /usr/local/share/minetest
19:05 Calinou        note the "local"
19:05 Calinou        any "sudo make install"'d stuff lands in /usr/local
19:05 Calinou        well, the sane stuff
19:05 Calinou        some old things will insist and go in /usr, which is bad practice
19:08 Krock          finally found out why the cordon bleu isn't blue
19:09 germanuel24    Calinou, thanks for answering so many questions... i just never compiled anything before just am good at scripting languages like PHP, JavaScript and about to learn Lua
19:09 Calinou        Ceci n'est pas un compilateur !
19:10 Krock          what else?
20:22 sfan5          test?
20:22 sfan5          nice
20:23 germanuel24    Do the dev-versions always say dirty at the end?
20:23 sfan5          yes
20:23 Fixer          PROCEDURE?
20:23 Fixer          what is it?
20:24 Fixer          sfan5, running something really old?
20:25 sfan5          old?
20:26 nrzkt          Samson1, ?
20:29 sfan5          File "/usr/local/lib/python3.4/dist-packages/apscheduler/__init__.py", line 3, in <module>
20:29 sfan5          version_info = tuple(int(x) if x.isdigit() else x for x in parsed_version.public.split('.'))
20:29 sfan5          what is this bullshit
20:34 Krock          that's python
20:38 sfan5          Krock: can you try opening this link: http://kitsunemimi.pw
20:38 Krock          rickroll incoming
20:39 sfan5          (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-CH; rv:1.8.1.12) ?
20:39 Krock          no rickroll? It's just a simple "index of /" page
20:39 Krock          yeah, must be me
20:39 sfan5          nice you have ipv6
20:39 sfan5          thanks for testing
20:39 Krock          np
20:40 Krock          oh, my ISP finally supports ipv6? nice
20:41 Calinou        IPv7!
20:41 Fixer          finally? i think it is still rare :/
20:43 Calinou        Google's traffic is ~5% IPv6
20:45 Krock          routers became useless! free IP addresses for everyone!
20:54 sfan5          !op
20:55 sfan5          !deop
20:55 Krock          ah. the log's URL updated
21:01 Samson1        nrzkt, Hello :)
21:02 nrzkt          hello Samson1 , you want to talk with me ?
21:12 Ronsor`        ok
21:13 Ronsor`        who wants to join my minetest server?
21:13 Markow         What's it like?
21:13 Markow         mods, textures?
21:14 Ronsor`        pretty quiet right now
21:14 Markow         ...misc info
21:14 Markow         survival or creative?
21:14 Ronsor`        i've built a small town
21:14 Ronsor`        we have snow, beaches, mountains, plains all nearby
21:19 kaadmy         ...
21:20 Ronsor`        not many mods
21:20 Ronsor`        survival
21:21 Ronsor`        sorry
21:21 Ronsor`        my connection is lagging today
21:24 Ronsor`        currently we have denaid protect
21:24 Ronsor`        irc, maptools
21:37 Out`Of`Control Anyone know about torch bug, torch replaces door when you try to open holding torch
21:37 Out`Of`Control or its a door bug?
21:38 Out`Of`Control does not happen always
21:39 swift110       hey alkl
21:40 sofar          Out`Of`Control: torch bug? using a torch mod or?
21:40 Out`Of`Control sofar:  yes
21:40 sofar          it's an "or" question
21:41 sofar          not a "logical or" question
21:41 Out`Of`Control sofar:  i don't know its caused by torch mod or doors mod
21:41 sofar          do you have a torch mod?
21:41 Out`Of`Control yes
21:41 sofar          which torch mod?
21:43 Out`Of`Control need a bit time to find sry
21:43 bashterm       hello?
21:43 sofar          hello?
21:43 Out`Of`Control sofar:  3d_torch
21:44 Out`Of`Control 0.1 v maybe there is update
21:44 sofar          try switching to https://github.com/minetest-mods/torches
21:44 sofar          Out`Of`Control: that version is maintained and will work with the torches already on your maps
21:45 Out`Of`Control what happens with torches placed on ceiling?
21:46 sofar          it supports them
21:46 sofar          if not then it's a bug and I'll fix it asap
21:46 Out`Of`Control sofar:  cool thank you
23:15 wilkgr         I just saw this on the sfan5-bot: "Location: /usr/bin/python2.7"
23:15 wilkgr         lol
23:15 wilkgr         (In its profile)
23:16 wilkgr         Hi yang2003
23:18 yang2003       Hi wilkgr
23:18 yang2003       What's up?
23:22 wilkgr         sfan5-bot has this as location: "Location: /usr/bin/python2.7"
23:22 wilkgr         in its profile :)
23:25 yang2003       k