Time  Nick              Message
00:48 Fixer             gn
01:06 sofar             cornernote: welcome :)
01:12 cornernote        hey sofar
01:13 cornernote        want to chat here instead of in the gh issue?
03:33 swift110-phone    Sup
08:58 red-001           https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/minetest/minetest/ is down
09:44 ynong123          How to communicate?
12:10 nm0i              why no version checking in mods?
12:32 * Mati^1          Bad News RealBadAgnel Maciej Kasatkin died today before an hour 12. Polen Time
12:43 VanessaE          :'(
12:44 VanessaE          nm0i: it was decided that checking for whatever engine feature etc that you need is better.
12:45 VanessaE          Mati^1: this is confirmed? :'(
12:45 Mati^1            confirmed what is it
12:46 Mati^1            yes Katarzyna sie sey to me
12:46 Mati^1            sorry i mos going
13:01 Fixer             :(
13:34 germanuel24       Can someone help? This just crashed my server and i don't know what caused it 2016-03-24 14:32:26: ERROR[main]: UNRECOVERABLE error occurred. Stopping server. Please fix the following error:2016-03-24 14:32:26: ERROR[main]: Lua: Double fault error from mod '' in callback item_OnPlace(): error in error handling
13:35 Fixer             germanuel24, do you have github account?
13:36 stormchaser3000_  O_o
13:36 stormchaser3000_  i wonder what caused that
13:36 Fixer             germanuel24, can you provide more details?
13:36 germanuel24       No but i thought about making one... so is this an engine bug likely?
13:37 stormchaser3000   hmmm
13:37 stormchaser3000   i don't know
13:37 stormchaser3000   do you have any mods installed?
13:37 germanuel24       I'll paste the last placement plus full error stack in pastebin one sec
13:37 nm0i              How to check if API functions are to expected call format?
13:37 stormchaser3000   or is your version of lua broken
13:37 stormchaser3000   ugh
13:38 stormchaser3000   qua
13:38 stormchaser3000   quassel* is a pain
13:38 stormchaser3000   brb
13:39 germanuel24       I have over 20 mods installed but usually it tells me WHICH mod caused the problem and that field is empty http://pastebin.com/2uS8iAxw
13:41 germanuel24       Link again incase you didn't see http://pastebin.com/2uS8iAxw
13:42 stormchaser3000   ugh
13:42 stormchaser3000   how the h*** do i get rid of my quassel user
13:43 twoelk            wait until he times out?
13:45 twoelk            germanuel24: before you repair anything make sure you have a backup of the world folder [wink, wink]
13:45 stormchaser3000   no i don't think that will work
13:45 stormchaser3000   on
13:45 stormchaser3000   XD
13:45 * stormchaser3000 shoudl really read the chat before responding
13:46 germanuel24       I just tried to start the server again and it works without problems...so the error seems to only appear when a player places something but the user only placed pine_wood blocks how can that cause errors?
13:47 twoelk            verify that
13:48 twoelk            for example vines used to crash servers if a block "near" them was changed
13:51 germanuel24       These were the last actions from 30 seconds before the crash http://pastebin.com/dLsuHtR3
13:53 Fixer             this news is so depressing, bad weather, my dog is dying and now RBA
13:55 sfan5             stormchaser3000: if you're logged in your can use /msg NickServ ghost <other nick>
13:55 twoelk            germanuel24: "Juanimh tried to dig default:cobble at protected position (-12,13,167)" did that player try to glitch through a protected node?
13:58 germanuel24       I don't know but there are hundrets of those messages in the log and it's the areas mod... is that possible to crash the server by glitching through one?
13:59 germanuel24       one block*
14:00 sfan5             no, servers don't crash because of that
14:00 germanuel24       Shouldn't the error message display a mod name in the ' ' if it was actually caused by a mod?
14:01 germanuel24       I had lots of those errors already and they always had a mod name in that field...so this one is weird to me
14:12 twoelk            I think I remember similar messages last when minetest tried to place nodes my server didn't support while using Sokomine's handle_schematics chest to place a building. Interestingly it only crashed on Windows but not Linux.
14:13 Fixer             if i understand correctly, Maciej and his friend were Poland ZX spectrum hackers and demoers back then, not sure what he was doing these days though
14:14 Fixer             apart from Minetest
14:14 VanessaE          he was, until hospitalization, coding professionally.  don't remember what it was for though.
14:14 VanessaE          and yeah, he was a Z-80 geek back in the day
14:18 Fixer             his other nick was Kassoft
14:20 Fixer             this is real :(
14:20 VanessaE          yeah.
14:21 Fixer             I was also Spectrum (soviet clone) user when I was young
14:22 Fixer             i mean really young :/
14:22 Fixer             depressing
14:22 twoelk            you are unreally young now?
14:23 Fixer             close to 30
14:23 twoelk            RBA's video channel https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0m85fjDhVEu-YPbdz85C9g if you want to study more stuff he was up to
14:24 sfan5             !title
14:24 MinetestBot       sfan5: Maciej Kasatkin - YouTube
14:24 Fixer             twoelk, i've seen them, thanks
14:24 twoelk            or listen to https://github.com/RealBadAngel/mtmusic
14:27 red-001           http://i.imgur.com/U1Na4.jpg
14:27 red-001           that's a lot of function keys
14:29 Fixer_            looks like my internet is also very weak today
14:31 nm0i              red-001: http://mykeyboard.co.uk/microswitch/
15:02 domtron           Linux is awesome. I knew it but this just reiterates the fact. http://maitesin.github.io//Module_prank/
15:04 sfan5             except that that code will crash the kernel on cpus with some feature
15:04 Fixer             i think this is game RBA made back then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noKH_RXHrVI
15:05 sfan5             also it will crash if you open a file that has a name with less than 4 characters
15:05 sfan5             !title
15:05 MinetestBot       sfan5: Snake Mania for SAM Coupe - YouTube
15:58 MinetestBot       02[git] 04Rui914 -> 03minetest/minetest: Credits: Make that easy to add/remove 1321c4796 https://git.io/vaxmV (152016-03-24T16:56:23+01:00)
15:58 MinetestBot       02[git] 04sofar -> 03minetest/minetest: Make `options` local here. 132f64088 https://git.io/vaxmw (152016-03-24T16:52:26+01:00)
16:55 sfan5             https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/4bq7r5/64bit_kernel_support_raspberry_pi_3/ <<< this is why i didn't buy an rpi 3
16:55 sfan5             64-bit CPU but in reality they just use it as a better 32-bit cpu
16:55 sfan5             it doesn't even work in 64-bit mode yet
17:01 est               lol
17:01 est               so much waste
17:39 Fixer             i feel sorry that i didn't buy that cheap rusperry thing
17:40 Fixer             now after devaluation prices are fucking huge
17:50 red-001           rusperry?
17:52 Krock             ^ RPI
17:57 VanessaE          huge?  they're only $35...
17:58 VanessaE          too bad the Pi-zero already went out of stock, those were just $5.
17:58 VanessaE          kinda wish I had gotten one
18:01 Megaf             [17:58:22] 18<28VanessaE18> kinda wish I had gotten one
18:01 Megaf             same here
18:01 Megaf             At least I have the original Model B and the Raspberry Pi 2
18:01 Megaf             and will buy the 3 and zero as soon as I can
18:02 Fixer             VanessaE, in local currency
18:03 VanessaE          that sucks
18:07 sofar             while it's cheap, it's also underpowered
18:08 sofar             but yeah, prices are low
18:08 sofar             DISCLAIMER: I work for an evil overlord empire chip vendor
18:08 sofar             ;)
18:08 VanessaE          heh
18:09 VanessaE          well an arduino isn't exactly a powerhouse either but they work well, too :)
18:09 Fixer             VanessaE, eastern european currencies devaluated a lot since 1990 and are heavily dependant on imports as soviet enterprises were not market competitive anymore and died off, so many people buy imported goods (including China crap) and it costs much-much more now, but due to outdated EVERYTHING, repressive taxes and corruption we need a lot of reforms to promote opening of new enterprises that produce at least basic goods instead of imported but cost of
18:09 Fixer             credit is prohibitive so it is slow process
18:09 sofar             if you want to stay small but want more oompf, try a minnowboard max
18:12 sfan5             Fixer: at least it isnt as bad as the russian ruble, right=
18:13 sfan5             s/=/?/
18:13 Fixer             wonder why usa guys complain about "costly" 600usd PC, when people in Eastern Europe buy them for such money and it costs fuck tons more because wages are like 5x lower or so
18:13 Fixer             and they don't complain
18:13 Fixer             sfan5, little worse, because with also have war and annexation
18:13 Fixer             sfan5, thanks to said country
18:14 Sokomine          the p2 did cost 35 euro over here, and the new model about 39. the zero was available only bundled with adapters for 15 euro (far from those $5 at the time)
18:14 Fixer             sfan5, now we live in uncertainty because some guy in Kremlin has brain problems
18:14 sfan5             hooray russia
18:14 sfan5             /s
18:15 Calinou           Fixer, because they don't pay for software? :>
18:15 Fixer             sfan5, in Ukraine people even use the term ansluz or how you call it
18:15 sfan5             anschluss
18:15 Fixer             yes
18:16 Fixer             sfan5, whole event was very similar with same agenda, but I hope it will be solved in some time (or probably very long time)
18:16 Fixer             Calinou, pfff in Eastern Europe nobody except enterpises buy software and pirated everything is a norm
18:17 Fixer             Calinou, because prices are rediculous, windows for 200 bucks? noone going to pay for that :{
18:17 Fixer             Calinou, it is like monthly wage in already poor country and people just meh
18:19 Fixer             also, car prices are rediculous
18:23 sfan5             Fixer: who needs a car when you have war
18:24 Fixer             sfan5, well, problem is not war, but government, we have car makers, but they produce kinda crap, so government makes very big tarrifs on imported cars to safeguard local producers
18:25 Fixer             sfan5, and people from West Europe say we buy some few years old cars for <1000 usd, and people here like "omg, holy shit"
18:25 Fixer             because here you need a lot more to buy even worse piece of crap that is XX years old
18:30 Fixer             sfan5, it is hard to expect peaceful living when this is translated on main russian TV channels: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jLmK-8BGu0&feature=youtu.be (subtitles)
18:30 Fixer             i will stay of it for now
19:38 myster            is no one talking or am I just not able to read chat?
19:39 Void7             just no talking
19:39 myster            thanks XD
19:41 red-001           http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2016/03/14/minecraft-becomes-testbed-for-artificial-intelligence-experiment/
19:45 myster            very cool red-001 :P
19:55 Bro666            Hiya
19:55 Bro666            I am new to minetest and I want to experiment a little with Lua mods.
19:56 Bro666            I am trying to write one for singleplayer, when the player joins the local server, a certain node, say a diamond, get's placed in a certain place.
19:56 Bro666            I have tried  minetest.place_node({x=-62, y=0, z=-40},{name="default:diamond"})
19:56 Bro666            But when I travel to those coordinates, the diamond isn't there.
19:56 Bro666            Have misunderstood the place_node module?
19:56 Void7             no, place_node won't do anything in an unloaded chunk
19:56 Bro666            Ah
19:56 sofar             diamonds are not nodes
19:56 sofar             they're items
19:57 Bro666            Ah...
19:57 sofar             you can place diamond ore, or a diamond block
19:57 Bro666            Right.
19:57 sofar             you can also "drop" an item like a diamond
19:57 Bro666            I tried diamonblock also
19:57 kaadmy            i think it's "default:diamond_block" or something
19:58 kaadmy            not diamondblock
19:58 Bro666            Ok.
19:58 Bro666            So... just to be clear, I would do:
19:58 Bro666            minetest.register_on_joinplayer(function(player)
19:59 Bro666            And then
19:59 Bro666            minetest.place_node({x=-62, y=0, z=-40},{name="default:diamond_block"})
19:59 Bro666            Or whwtver it is, I'll look it up in a sec
19:59 Bro666            And then: end)
19:59 Bro666            in my mod
20:00 Void7             the problem with that is that you might spawn very far away from that node, in which case the chunk the node's in won't be loaded
20:00 Void7             so the node won't be placed
20:00 sfan5             Bro666: i think it would be easier to just place the node below the player when he spawns
20:00 sfan5             because then you don't have to worry about mapblocks being loaded or not
20:01 Bro666            Those coordinates are very near from where I left, like a few meters away
20:01 Bro666            Wouldn't that work?
20:01 Void7             it should
20:01 Bro666            Ok.
20:02 Bro666            Say I wanted to write like a treasure hunt. Place a node in a random chunk about 500 meters away from the player...
20:02 Bro666            Can that be done?
20:02 Void7             yes
20:03 Bro666            But you said that if you spawn too far away from where you want to place the node, the chunk won't be loaded...
20:03 Void7             yeah
20:04 Void7             there are functions for loading chunks, and functions when a chunk is generated
20:04 Bro666            Ah.
20:04 Bro666            Nice
20:05 Void7             minetest.register_on_generated(func(minp, maxp, blockseed))
20:05 Void7             if your block pos is in bbox (minp, maxp), the you can place it there
20:07 Void7             or http://pastebin.com/1RR2ryp3
20:07 Void7             which force-generates the chunk
20:30 Grinowe           how do i change the language
20:32 Grinowe           (ingame)
20:37 sofar             game text or game engine text
20:37 sofar             http://dev.minetest.net/Translation or https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=4929
20:49 Lluri             yup
20:50 Lluri             I have been on servers where people had "locked" a part of the map that was impossible to modify (mine or set a node ....) if you were not the "owner"
20:51 Lluri             As I finished a part of my project (a kind of hogwart inspired castle)
20:51 Lluri             I wanted to reopen the server to some people and allow them to visit and comment
20:52 Lluri             But I don't want them to "lolz lava everywhere" on my castle, so how do I lock all my project area ?
20:53 ssieb             Check out the "areas" mod.
20:57 Lluri             No such option with world edit ? :)
20:57 Lluri             ty for the advice
21:26 ssieb             Lluri: I don't understand that comment.
21:42 * Mati^1          I would like to thank all --> Thank you for the memory I hope you will not forget about him.... I hope this man for afor all of you----> with him always to remember
21:43 VanessaE          thanks for keeping us informed.
21:43 VanessaE          he will be missed :(
21:44 Mati^1            I cry all day
21:45 Mati^1            26 years friend best friend
21:46 Niebieski         IMO, Minetest should be GPL.
21:46 VanessaE          Niebieski: it's LGPL + CC-by-SA
21:46 VanessaE          that's good enough.
21:47 Niebieski         GPL is better, no commercial drivatives.
21:48 VanessaE          GPL can be commercial too.
21:48 VanessaE          LGPL just makes that easier in some respects.
21:48 Mati^1            31.03 am 14.30 europe time will be his funeral om town Wloclawek
21:49 Fixer             thank you for info
21:49 VanessaE          :(
21:50 Fixer             we will miss him a lot, he fixed my graphic bugs i was very grateful and now this
21:50 Mati^1            I'll also there at the funeral :(
21:51 Mati^1            already I have the two hard drives
21:51 Fixer             you must live through it, it always hard to miss a close friend
21:53 Mati^1            yes I know but it's very hard for me and my family
21:54 Mati^1            a man a friend
21:54 Fixer             you will remember him in your memory
21:54 Mati^1            sorry
21:54 Niebieski         I'm sorry to hear that Mati^1.
21:54 Mati^1            polnisch better
21:54 VanessaE          His memory will forever be a blessing, Mati^1
21:55 Mati^1            vanessa I know you like me he tells
21:55 Mati^1            write about him
21:56 VanessaE          I'm no good at all at writing such things
21:56 VanessaE          sofar did a good job though with his post.
21:56 Mati^1            our good friend works in MIT
21:56 VanessaE          ( https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14228 )
21:56 Mati^1            i know
21:58 Mati^1            and I was crying like a child by writing it
21:58 red-001           I'm sorry to hear that
21:59 Niebieski         He thought I was Polish too.
22:00 red-001           your nick means blue in polish
22:01 Niebieski         Yeah we had a conversation about that.
22:01 Fixer             Mati^1, you was in ESI with him, right?
22:03 Mati^1            ESI?
22:04 Fixer             Mati^1, http://www.worldofsam.org/node/274
22:04 Fixer             Mati^1, http://www.worldofsam.org/node/275
22:05 Mati^1            yes RBA was the best coder ESI
22:05 Mati^1            sam qoupe
22:06 Fixer             i am also played spectrum soviet clone, I was surprised RBA coded so long ago
22:06 Mati^1            Biography:
22:06 Mati^1            Coder from Polish coding group ESI.
22:06 Mati^1            Programmer of Craft and Snakemania.
22:07 Mati^1            We too had spectrum
22:07 Mati^1            sorry but i cry ;,,,,,,,,,(
22:07 Mati^1            sinclar zx
22:08 Fixer             yes, that times, i was so young, casettes, no manual
22:09 turd              Can anyone tell me how to clear " worldedit:placeholder "
22:09 sofar             hit it
22:10 turd              I need to remove those worldedit:placeholder nodes from a map
22:10 turd              invisible
22:11 red-001           replace them with air
22:12 red-001           use //replace
22:12 turd              how can i select and set air just on worldedit:placeholder nodes? there's nodes within the area i don't want to relace.
22:12 turd              Ive never used replace
22:13 red-001           yes
22:13 rubenwardy        https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rubenwardy.minetestmodmanager
22:14 red-001           https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit/blob/master/Tutorial.md
22:15 red-001           https://github.com/Uberi/Minetest-WorldEdit/blob/master/ChatCommands.md
22:15 red-001           do //replace worldedit:placeholder air
22:16 sofar             Minetest Mods will be installed on your device soon.
22:16 turd              ok that sounds right to me
22:16 rubenwardy        It's pretty cool how you can schedule an installion from your computer like that
22:17 turd              Thanks red-001
22:17 red-001           np
22:17 sofar             Unfortunately, Minetest Mods has stopped (Report, OK)
22:18 rubenwardy        lol
22:19 Calinou           I have a "Debug" option on my laptop as well
22:19 Calinou           (probably because I have Visual Studio installed)
22:19 Calinou           it also doesn't bother searching a solution online
22:19 Calinou           (who finds that useful?)
22:20 sofar             rubenwardy: refuses to open XD
22:20 rubenwardy        wtf
22:20 rubenwardy        did it ask for the internet permission?
22:21 sofar             rubenwardy: no, it just has storage perms
22:21 sofar             no other permissions I can turn on either
22:21 sofar             um, if I list "All permissions", then I get
22:21 sofar             2x storage
22:21 sofar             1x "Full network access"
22:22 rubenwardy        Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: Didn't find class "android.support.v7.widget.LinearLayoutManager" on path: DexPathList[[zip file "/data/app/com.rubenwardy.minetestmodmanager-1/base.apk"]
22:22 rubenwardy        wow
22:22 rubenwardy        well, unpublished for now
22:22 sofar             rubenwardy: fyi nexus 5 (the old 5)
22:57 rubenwardy        sofar, the android minifier (which only runs in release mode) was screwing up my dependencies
22:58 sofar             let me know when to retry :)
23:05 rubenwardy        uploading now, waiting for store to finish processing
23:11 * Mati^1          Thank you all for your help and support, I hope the RBA will stay with you not just today. I will try to notify you when I will be in Poland on his last way :(
23:12 sofar             Mati^1: dank! gute fahrt.
23:12 * Mati^1          pray for his soul
23:13 Mati^1            Sofar Danke herzlich Danke für Deine antwort und Hilfe!!
23:30 OldCoder_         Is Inchra down?
23:55 red-001           why windows why
23:56 red-001           why deny nt/system access