Time  Nick             Message
00:21 Hijiri           do beds change respawn point?
00:21 est31            yes some do
00:21 Hijiri           what about the beds in the beds mod from mt_game
00:29 sofar            -- respawn player at bed if enabled and valid position is found
00:29 sofar            minetest.register_on_respawnplayer(function(player)
00:29 sofar            that's from minetest_game/mods/beds/
00:29 sofar            so yeah, it respawns at the bed
00:52 Erthome          Hello
00:55 kaadmy           hi
00:56 jordan4ibanez    Hey
01:34 jordan4ibanez    Any cool new mods out?
02:37 sofar            jordan4ibanez: https://github.com/minetest-mods a few new additions...
06:37 Alex_L_Armstrong THE ART OF IRC HAS BEEN PASSED DOWN IN THE ARMSTRONG LINE FOR GENERATIONS
06:41 sofar            I'd say the later generations are not as strong at it
08:35 afflatus         I think I'm making some progress with #3743
08:36 afflatus         Does anyone have experience of using sheet or puff type ore placement in mapgen?
08:40 afflatus         Will switching to PcgRandom help any of this?
08:44 afflatus         I guess I'm SOMO with this :(
08:59 XeonSquared      Does Minetest use UDP or TCP?
09:04 Krock            UDP
09:04 Krock            ^ XeonSquared
09:08 XeonSquared      Thanks
09:12 Krock            np
09:13 gamemanj         Alex_L_Armstrong: I suppose you're an alchemist or something?
09:13 afflatus         I'm coming to the conclusion that the documentation for Ore Types is an unmitigated POS
09:14 afflatus         I don't believe anyone understands it
09:34 afflatus         Crashed again
09:35 gamemanj         Has minetest become very crash-happy in recent times?
09:35 gamemanj         Or just crash-amiable? :)
09:35 afflatus         same message ERROR[Emerge-0]: An unhandled exception occurred: Invalid range (max < min)
09:35 afflatus         My game has, that's for sure
09:35 Krock            could be a mapgen error
09:35 afflatus         It IS a mapgen error
09:36 afflatus         That much is obvious
09:36 Krock            is there any deeper error traceback?
09:36 afflatus         Probably to do with the generation of sheet ores
09:36 afflatus         Krock yes #3743
09:37 afflatus         Except that no-one was even mining on that last one, although they may have triggered mapgen
09:37 gamemanj         EmergeThread... CurlFetchThread?
09:37 afflatus         The trouble I'm having is that so much of this is guesswork
09:38 afflatus         gamemanj: wut?
09:38 gamemanj         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3743
09:38 gamemanj         2016-02-19 13:13:36: ERROR[Emerge-0]: /home/tim/src/minetest/src/emerge.cpp:2d4: virtual void* EmergeThread::run(): A fatal error occured: Invalid range (max < min)
09:38 gamemanj         2016-02-19 13:13:36: ERROR[Emerge-0]: Debug stacks:
09:38 gamemanj         2016-02-19 13:13:36: ERROR[Emerge-0]: DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD b2afeb40:
09:38 gamemanj         2016-02-19 13:13:36: ERROR[Emerge-0]: #0  virtual void* EmergeThread::run()
09:38 gamemanj         To be entirely honest, I should've expected that.
09:38 afflatus         lol
09:39 gamemanj         However, I did not.
09:39 afflatus         Thanks, that cheered me up
09:39 gamemanj         Point is, all 3 entries say DEBUG STACK FOR THREAD b32ffb40:
09:39 afflatus         Are you suggesting this isn't to do with mapgen?
09:39 gamemanj         no
09:39 gamemanj         I'm wondering why the flip they're all saying the same thread ID
09:40 gamemanj         and yet "CurlFetchThread" is on there
09:40 gamemanj         it makes no sense
09:41 afflatus         I think the critical one is:
09:41 afflatus         #8  0x08438aa2 in OreSheet::generate (this=0x8fae070, vm=0xb063d120, mapseed=150421032, blockseed=2509110330, nmin=..., nmax=..., biomemap=0x92a6f70 '\031' <repeats 200 times>...)
09:41 Krock            throw PrngException("Invalid range (max < min)");
09:42 Krock            has to do with the seed number
09:42 afflatus         really?
09:42 Krock            https://github.com/minetest/minetest/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=Invalid+range
09:43 gamemanj         uh, afflatus: that #8... Am I not seeing something, or is it not actually in the traces in the issue...? Oh, wait, it's in a comment further down
09:43 afflatus         yes noise.cpp is implicated
09:43 afflatus         I'm only just learning to use gdb
09:44 gamemanj         noise.cpp is doing what it should, but OreSheet should be trying to detect this at register_ore time or somesuch, i.e. not completely random crashes
09:45 afflatus         OK, but what you're suggesting is that it is not getting a map seed? Do I understand you correctly?
09:45 afflatus         This could make sense
09:45 gamemanj         uh, what on earth does the map seed have to do with range calculations...
09:46 Krock            more randomness?
09:47 afflatus         You mean the seed in noise_params then?
09:48 gamemanj         TBH, I think somehow column_height_max is negative
09:48 afflatus         it isn't
09:48 gamemanj         https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/mg_ore.cpp#L182
09:48 gamemanj         That's the failing range
09:49 gamemanj         oh, wait, or it could be nmin or nmax
09:49 gamemanj         flip
09:49 gamemanj         ...does this rabbit hole have an end?
09:50 afflatus         lol that's what I'm wondering :p
09:50 gamemanj         ORE_RANGE_MIRROR seems interesting...
09:50 Krock            an infinite rabbit hole :)
09:51 afflatus         Ah I see we are using PcgRandom already
09:52 gamemanj         great, ORE_RANGE_MIRROR is used to check a flag somewhere but not used to set it in the first place
09:52 gamemanj         So you have to go check what ORE_RANGE_MIRROR is in order to find out where it's set
09:53 gamemanj         ORE_RANGE_ACTUAL: in_range |= (nmin.Y <= y_max && nmax.Y >= y_min);
09:54 gamemanj         and if OREFLAG_ABSHEIGHT is enabled, then ORE_RANGE_MIRROR might be used
09:54 gamemanj         in_range |= (nmin.Y >= -y_max && nmax.Y <= -y_min) << 1;
09:55 gamemanj         If anyone gets a headache, aspirin dispensaries are available in the second boardroom in the left hallway of the central cross.
09:56 afflatus         lol I'm just about following you ...
09:57 gamemanj         well, in which case you're doing better than I am
09:57 gamemanj         since I have no idea what on earth this is for or why it has a good reason to exist
09:57 afflatus         the absheight flag refects ore placement above sea-level IIUC
09:59 gamemanj         using reversed coordinates for what I shall simply describe as "no sane reason"
09:59 afflatus         hmmm
09:59 gamemanj         if they really want it so that it represents depth, not a Y coordinate, then stick a - on the front when defining the ore
09:59 gamemanj         to get > sea level ores.
10:00 afflatus         gamemanj: well at least you've got me laughing about it, that's an improvement
10:01 gamemanj         then there's using MYMAX on the minimum value and using MYMIN on the maximum value
10:02 gamemanj         what could possibly go wrong?
10:02 afflatus         XD
10:03 gamemanj         presumably it's to reduce the range to that which the ore actually covers, but OBJECTION: why the flip do they need to do all the complicated mirroring and such if all it does is flip the flipping coordinates about
10:04 gamemanj         And why do they need to go ahead and have several special cases for this "mirror" scenario, why not just swap maxy and miny and negate both into temp variables, then use that
10:04 afflatus         Is it to avoid crossing chunk boundaries or something?
10:04 gamemanj         No, that's probably the other point of the MYMAX MYMIN thing
10:05 gamemanj         to bound the range between the chunk boundary and the ore boundary
10:05 * afflatus       facepalms
10:05 gamemanj         But there's no good reason why on earth the whole mirror thing exists
10:05 afflatus         I can only make vague guesses
10:06 gamemanj         because it makes everything more confusing when two temp variables, a swap, and two negations would make it easily reducable to "ABSHEIGHT negates the coordinates" and everything would be fine
10:06 afflatus         I know we switched to using PcgRandom relatively recently (since oct 2015)
10:07 gamemanj         I think PcgRandom might only be the symptom, the cause being that these invalid ranges were getting in in the first place...
10:07 afflatus         from PseudoRandom
10:07 afflatus         they were as https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3228 suggests
10:09 afflatus         however my oregen problems became much more obvious since the switch
10:09 gamemanj         Ok, tbh I don't understand this, can I go hide in a corner now?
10:10 afflatus         Sure :-)
10:10 afflatus         It isn't your problem, but thanks for trying to help me understand
10:10 gamemanj         go bother... *reads git blame* kwolekr
10:10 afflatus         You've given me some grist at least
10:10 afflatus         who else?
10:11 gamemanj         kwolekr seems to be the person who's touched most of mg_ore.cpp
10:11 afflatus         Ultimately my problem appears to be that nobody else understands this code, not even paramat probably
10:12 gamemanj         I suggest, for now, perhaps try to catch the exception in ore.cpp and have it report which ore is going wrong before passing the exception on
10:13 afflatus         I think that's what we're aiming for
10:13 afflatus         I don't do C++ so I'm reliant on those who do
10:14 gamemanj         great, well, I don't really know that much C++ magic, and not how C++ exceptions work... time to go kidnap a catch block from somewhere else in the code
10:20 gamemanj         oh, yay, ore is a content_t
10:20 gamemanj         how on earth are we supposed to understand a content_t
10:20 * afflatus       blinks
10:24 gamemanj         I don't even... src/pathfinder.h
10:25 gamemanj         is that actually used anywhere?
10:25 afflatus         Mobs redo
10:29 afflatus         gamemanj: thanks. At least I don't feel SOMO any more :D
10:30 gamemanj         ...welp, I tried to create a try-catch block, but got stalled on attempting to turn a content_t into something humans are actually capable of comprehending.
10:30 gamemanj         Well done, Minetest sources. You have defeated me.
10:30 gamemanj         (Aren't you glad Lua people live in a world of "air" and "ignore" and "default:nyan_cat" now?)
10:33 afflatus         Just "air" and "ignore" in my case
10:33 gamemanj         no nyan cat? :(
10:33 afflatus         Lua is lovely and almost cute
10:34 afflatus         not in my game, no
10:34 afflatus         no poptarts either, sorry :p
10:34 Dragonop         default:nyan_cat gets all the hate, but I bet you would be disapointed if you knew the true meaning of mese hahahaha
10:35 afflatus         Oddly enough I don't have Mese in grailtest either
10:35 gamemanj         Dragonop: *gulp*
10:35 afflatus         Or kevlar for that matter
10:35 gamemanj         the real meaning of mese?
10:35 Dragonop         gamemanj: well, the original meaning, yes
10:35 gamemanj         which is what?
10:36 Dragonop         instant messenger
10:36 gamemanj         ....what.
10:36 Dragonop         hahaha
10:36 afflatus         It means the aliens have taken over ... no wait
10:36 Dragonop         no, that is the "new" meaning (from 2012)
10:36 Dragonop         or origin, or whatever
10:37 afflatus         ok, my bad
10:37 Dragonop         man minetest sure was a funny game in 2011, greenguy, nyancats, rats everywhere, "mese"
10:38 gamemanj         Dragonop: then it got boring and serious? :)
10:39 Dragonop         gamemanj: I guess it got serious, but not really boring :p
10:49 * gamemanj       goes looking at grail_test
10:49 gamemanj         "The Kingdom Of Spectrum... why do I get the feeling they're going to be trying to build a massive ZX Spectrum or something there...
11:14 paramat          the absheight flag should be removed
11:15 paramat          i'll look at oresheet and see what i can do
12:03 Luan             Hey there guys, can someone please help me?
12:03 Luan             I am looking to host a dedicated minetest server. What files do i need to use?
12:27 afflatus         thanks paramat
12:29 paramat          ok i understand it now, fix should hopefully be easy
12:36 afflatus         :-)
12:37 afflatus         paramat: I have adjusted scale to 1 on sheet ores as you suggested and rebooted.
13:04 Fixer            sofar, it is not only grass nodes, you can replant leaves until you get a saplink :}
13:07 afflatus         Luan minetestserver (seriously) - there are several setup guides. I know how to do it on Debian
13:07 afflatus         can't help if you're on Wndows
13:46 paramat          afflatus #3762 can you test with a column height of 64 or any value between 40 and 79?
13:46 paramat          https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3762
13:48 afflatus         paramat: just seen. yes, sure.
13:48 paramat          i'll test too
13:49 paramat          a good way to 'see' ores underground is to use default:meselamp as ore
14:05 paramat          well it works but has side effects
14:06 afflatus         Ah I haven't got that far yet, I'm not used to fetchinh patches
14:09 paramat          only test if you want to. anyway i know how to fix the side effects
14:09 afflatus         It's all good practice
14:29 paramat          ok it's fairly robust now, even with column height min and max = 160, so you can generate super-thick seams with it now
14:33 afflatus         excellent! Thanks paramat
14:34 paramat          updating soon to remove side effects
14:39 Fixer            what time is it? it is compile time
14:39 afflatus         That works for me, what were the side effects?
14:45 afflatus         tp'd into a nice fat sheet of greenstone and dug a sneak-jump ladder through it.
14:45 afflatus         nice
14:47 paramat          updated the PR
14:48 rubenwardy       Does anyone know about fork and spawnvp? https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor/pull/81
14:48 paramat          see thread for details
14:51 gamemanj         paramat: hmm... so you could utilize the mapgen to dig out a cave, then use scatter confined to one horizontal plane to place seeds which would then auto-locate themselves at the bottom and spawn stuff via an ABM?
14:53 paramat          erm possibly, i guess air could be an ore, then afterwards place spawner nodes as an ore in air
14:54 paramat          crazy stuff seems possible
16:02 Obani            est31, can we play musics in-game via the "sounds" folder ?
16:08 DatJohnDoe       I'm trying to set up a Minetest server but I am not sure how to port forward with the way my router is set up http://imgur.com/AGGskY7
16:09 est31            DatJohnDoe, you must select port 30000
16:09 est31            and udp
16:09 est31            not tcp
16:11 DatJohnDoe       Ok
16:12 DatJohnDoe       As external or internal?
16:12 DatJohnDoe       and what are the ip's?
16:21 DatJohnDoe       What is the local ip?
16:21 est31            the ip of the server
16:22 est31            inside your local network
16:30 iqualfragile     DatJohnDoe: most likely the ip of your pc
16:30 DatJohnDoe       Ok
16:30 Calinou          https://lut.im/6qCwWRohRU/TAJg6N4Kc0TcZLWy.png
16:30 Calinou          kaadmy, if you here, you can join on QW
16:30 Calinou          a 10on10 is going to be hosted
16:30 DatJohnDoe       So like 192.168.0.2
16:31 kaadmy           Calinou: okey dokey ;)
16:31 Calinou          too late I think now :/
16:31 Calinou          but you can spec
16:31 kaadmy           dang
16:31 kaadmy           will still try
16:31 kaadmy           12 players
16:31 kaadmy           will try
16:31 kaadmy           darn, match in progress >:{
16:32 kaadmy           wth i can't connect but it tells me to spec...
16:32 kaadmy           gah setting "spectator 1" doesn't help
16:32 Calinou          maybe server supports QTV
16:33 kaadmy           gaaah "spectator" is reset before i join
16:33 kaadmy           no idea what QTV is ;)
16:33 Calinou          it's something you can use in ezQUake
16:33 Calinou          Quake TV…
16:34 kaadmy           not part of nQuake, is it?
16:35 Calinou          it is part of nQuake
16:35 Calinou          press Enter on server dialog
16:35 Calinou          then look at the keys
16:36 kaadmy           hmm
16:36 kaadmy           didn't check there
16:38 Obani            est31, RealBadAngel, can we play musics in-game via the "sounds" folder ?
16:38 RealBadAngel     no
16:38 Obani            Or is it just for soundpacks, like texturepacks ?
16:38 RealBadAngel     theres no such folder ;)
16:38 RealBadAngel     use /testsounds
16:38 Obani            -.-
16:38 Obani            Oh
16:38 est31            there are mods which add music
16:38 Obani            but sounds work too
16:38 est31            but if you want to play music for yourself while playing minetest
16:38 Obani            works*
16:38 est31            use a separate player :)
16:39 RealBadAngel     hehehe
16:39 RealBadAngel     Obani, told ya ;)
16:40 Obani            RealBadAngel, doesn't seem to work with testsounds
16:40 Obani            oh
16:40 Obani            wait
16:40 Obani            ?.?
16:40 RealBadAngel     est31, http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest-dev/2016-02-21#i_4540679
16:40 Obani            Ok so main_menu doesn't work, rest works
16:41 RealBadAngel     one should fix the mess with those folders
16:41 RealBadAngel     and to use only /sounds in main folder
16:41 est31            haw haw
16:41 Calinou          kaadmy, you can join now
16:43 Obani            Ok so let's make another music
16:45 kaadmy           Calinou: coming asap
16:54 kaadmy           Calinou: can't play, 200+ ping
17:10 Obani            ok new music made
17:10 Fixer            Obani, or just use this as soundtrack - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fvTxv46ano
17:11 Obani            Fixer, no interest for a musician to use the music of others, excepted for sampling
17:21 Obani            Fixer, WTF ?
17:21 Samson1          kaadmy, Hello :)
17:23 kaadmy           hi Samson1
17:24 Samson1          kaadmy, How are you? Could we talk in a different tab? It's just this one is for MT
17:24 Samson1          :)
17:26 kaadmy           ok
17:35 Obani            Fixer, https://up1.ca/#GrlnvH588OWu1PkZFGQa3A https://up1.ca/#3lGIKMhHumgiJ6EJzg_klQ
17:48 Obani            RealBadAngel, does inventory_animations depend on another parameter ?
17:52 RealBadAngel     only on/off setting
17:52 Fixer            Obani, not bad! hard to tell if it really suits minetest
17:52 Obani            Fixer, yes ^^
17:53 Obani            RealBadAngel, seems broken in last dev
17:53 RealBadAngel     Obani, and client restart
17:53 RealBadAngel     anyway will check it
17:53 Obani            wait
17:53 Obani            ok
17:53 Obani            it was the client restart
17:53 Obani            should be precised :p
17:57 Luan             Can anyone help me make a dedicated server?
17:57 greeter          i might be able to provide a little help on that. what do you need?
17:58 Luan             What files do i need to use? Since it will be running on a dedicated server
18:00 greeter          well, what i did for my ubuntu server was simply install the minetestserver executable from the repos and then figured out what commands i needed to run it properly. i had to add a few modules but that was all
18:01 greeter          if you don't have a system where you can fetch the executable from a repository though, then you might have to compile from source. if you're on windows, then i can't offer a huge amount of help, except that the minetest site probably has a download somewhere to help you get started
18:08 Fixer            lol http://cdn.ghacks.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/w10privacy-windows-update.jpg
18:08 Fixer            --- with windows is back!
18:08 greeter          i'm afraid i don't understand what i'm looking at there :-S
18:11 gamemanj         greeter: Fixer is just describing how many different options people need to turn off to get any privacy nowadays...
18:11 greeter          oh lol
18:11 Fixer            yes
18:11 gamemanj         "Disable sending of information on writing behavior" wow, like, I knew W10 was evil, but...
18:13 gamemanj         there is evil, and then there's having "advertising IDs", and then there's "having to setup fake update servers" (if I'm reading that correctly)
18:14 gamemanj         just to stop updates
18:15 Fixer            it is more needed to stop updates with ads
18:15 Fixer            because they are going for sure
18:15 Fixer            little later
18:18 greeter          hmm
18:19 greeter          so glad i'm a linux user that doesn't care much about privacy. so much easier rofl
19:06 everamzah        so the player movement physics changed with the jump at node commit.  i'm bouncin all around
19:12 sofar            lol
19:18 everamzah        no i mean on small nodeboxes, odd collision boxes are shaking everything
19:27 greeter          -_- i was wondering why my minetest had no sound, then i saw my headphones were still plugged in. maybe now isn't the best time to play a game lol
19:31 YuGiOhJCJ        hello, I am reading the description of Locked Chest on the Minetest Wiki and it is written "Other players may view its content" and that's not the case in practice on my server. Is it a wrong information?
19:36 CWz              YuGiOhJCJ, more outdated info
19:36 CWz              at some point that was true though
19:49 thefamilygrog66  howdy folks
19:49 greeter          hmm, i just cut down a bunch of trees, but the area they were standing is still very dark
19:49 Krock            howdy
19:49 greeter          greetings thefamilygrog66
19:49 thefamilygrog66  greeter: do you use world edit?
19:50 Krock            greeter, then someone forgot to update the chunk light after removing the tree
19:50 greeter          thefamilygrog66: no. and Krock, the chunk light?
19:50 Krock            greeter, yeah. That what describes how bright it is
19:51 greeter          ah i see. how would i fix that?
19:51 Krock            !mod mapfix
19:51 Krock            MinetestBot!!
19:51 Krock            sfan5!
19:51 greeter          i'll find it, i know what to look for at least
19:52 sofar            mapfix was never posted on the forum
19:52 sofar            https://github.com/Gael-de-Sailly/mapfix
19:52 Krock            greeter, if it happens everytime, it's a mod bug
19:52 Krock            http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php?st=0&at=0&q=mapfix
19:52 thefamilygrog66  It happens sometimes when I use world edit
19:52 Krock            sofar, it was posted.
19:53 greeter          this is the second time i've observed it. but it's only the second time i've cut down a large concentration of trees
19:55 sofar            we should move it to minetest-mods...
19:57 greeter          perfect :-D
19:57 greeter          it worked. meant to add that to the last line
19:58 greeter          i really should look at what other mods i might want to have to make the game more interesting
19:59 everamzah        it happens just planting a few saplings and waiting for them to grow... dark spots appear sometimes
19:59 greeter          ah i see
20:08 greeter          and i think i found one :-D
20:29 greeter          hmm, well i got the mesecons mod, but i can't find any documentation anywhere about how to craft any of the items :-S
20:36 greeter          never mind, seems my browser wasn't properly parsing the mesecons.net website -_-
21:56 afflatus         New minor bug - I have a fixed spawn point, one of my players, who has a bed, keeps spawning at 0,0,0 - which is underground. I think this may have something to do with the changes in findSpawnPos, but I'm using mg_v7. Is this fixable in Lua?
22:00 Obani            https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=14093
22:09 Fixer            crap, another one
22:09 greeter          hmm?
22:21 diemartin        o/
22:22 greeter          the electrician in me loves this mod
22:38 gamemanj         ? which mod?
22:43 Fixer            ._.
22:43 sofar            lightning ;)
22:45 diemartin        hah
23:04 greeter          i'm gonna build a city and light it up with electricity :-D
23:06 sofar            greeter: which mod are you talking about?
23:06 greeter          mesecons
23:31 rubenwardy       Introducing rufunge: https://github.com/rubenwardy/rufunge
23:32 rubenwardy       Befunge but with more functionality, as I felt befunge wasn't serious enough
23:33 kaadmy           gah
23:33 kaadmy           33% compileed..
23:33 kaadmy           66% compiled..
23:33 kaadmy           "NULL was not declared!"
23:33 kaadmy           befunge is really quite simple
23:34 kaadmy           i've written simple(and slow) implementations in python
23:35 rubenwardy       what OS? I use gcc ubuntu-based
23:35 kaadmy           debian-based
23:35 kaadmy           gcc 4.7.2
23:35 rubenwardy       huh. Isn't NULL part of the standard, no need to include?
23:35 kaadmy           seems like NULL isn't defined here
23:36 kaadmy           not sure, before i've seen programs that check for NULL and #define if need be
23:38 kaadmy           rubenwardy: fixed
23:38 kaadmy           added "#include <cstddef>" at the top of file src/canvas.hpp
23:40 rubenwardy       btw, it's a WIP so I haven't added the include functions yet
23:40 rubenwardy       commited
23:53 Fritigern        sfan5: WE still does not want to play nice with the new creative inventory. WE icon is hidden behind the first inventory item, and WE prevents tabs from being selected. What's even worse is that WE makes it impossible to browse through the inventory.
23:57 nolsen           TIL the game isn't free as in freedom
23:57 nolsen           Because there's no license
23:57 kaadmy           nolsen: LGPLv2.1+?
23:57 nolsen           oh
23:58 nolsen           didn't see it
23:58 kaadmy           i think
23:58 kaadmy           checking now
23:58 nolsen           My favorite is the GNU General license v3 :3
23:58 kaadmy           https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/README.txt#L365
23:59 kaadmy           v3 of anything is the best
23:59 nolsen           the year on it is old
23:59 nolsen           2010 - 2013
23:59 nolsen           its 2016 now
23:59 kaadmy           unlike Valve >.<
23:59 kaadmy           it is
23:59 kaadmy           i guess..
23:59 kaadmy           2012 actually