Time  Nick        Message
00:06 kaadmy      H-H-H: Link: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=13181
00:07 kaadmy      and connect to pixture.quelcom.xyz:30000 for a server
00:07 kaadmy      "/pm kaadmy <something>" for interact
00:07 H-H-H       i love the way rain works in the game
00:10 H-H-H       kaadmy i sent you a pm but your not in game lol
00:26 H-H-H       ok got fed up of waiting so deleted it lol
00:27 kaadmy      i know
00:27 kaadmy      i'll check now
00:29 kaadmy      damn mt's not connecting to the server on my phone
00:29 kaadmy      keeps crashing
00:30 H-H-H       im in your server right now
00:31 kaadmy      you don't have to be connected for me to grant interact
00:32 kaadmy      i'll grant you interact when i get mt to not crash
00:33 H-H-H       i know i run a server myself but thought i would logon so i could do something when i get interact lol i wonder if i could make a minetest managment app for android hmmmmm
00:34 kaadmy      phew got it working
00:34 kaadmy      granted you interact
00:37 H-H-H       ty
00:38 H-H-H       now just got to get out of this big hole i fell in lol
00:43 kaadmy      you can get out of the mines easily
00:43 kaadmy      i specifically made some steps unless someone removed them
00:50 H-H-H       i got out however im now on hunt for some coal as i slipped and accidently killed a pig :|
00:56 kaadmy      lol
00:58 Fixer       hmmmmm, that was close to hmmm_m
00:59 H-H-H       iii like this server its nice and responsive but i will be honest im not that keen on the graphics :)
00:59 H-H-H       just my opinion of course
00:59 kaadmy      anything you dislike about them?
01:00 kaadmy      i'm not too satisfied with them either
01:03 H-H-H       they are ok for say a kids game as they are kind of cartoon like
01:03 H-H-H       i much prefer mt default graphics but then im nearly 40 yrs old lol
01:05 * H-H-H     is now going to attempt a parachute jump
01:10 * H-H-H     didnt mean to offend :)
01:53 kaadmy      heh
01:53 kaadmy      parachutes are cool ;)
02:12 H-H-H       hey kaadmy do you mind if i re use some code from your mods in my own game im developing?
02:17 kaadmy      nope
02:17 kaadmy      which mods?
02:18 H-H-H       pm and playerlst have code i would like to reuse but there will probably be more by the time ive finished looking through them
03:28 kaeza       o/
03:28 kaeza       VanessaE, around?
04:33 kaeza       ShadowNinja, around?
05:04 swift110_   hey guys
05:04 swift110_   i was in the wrong room all this time
05:20 YuGiOhJCJ   hello, how to allow a player to interact only with a small area in the world?
05:23 sofar       YuGiOhJCJ: mod to restrict movement, and take away interact based on location?
05:36 YuGiOhJCJ   do you know a mod that is doing that restriction?
05:36 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kaeza -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix world config menu ignoring `name` in `mod.conf`. 13a594963 https://git.io/vzoZ0 (152016-01-23T21:14:14-05:00)
05:40 sofar       YuGiOhJCJ: sorry, no
05:40 sofar       but it doesn't seem that difficult to do
05:42 est31       heh yeah, it probably only requires to add a "not" in one place at SN's areas mod
05:45 YuGiOhJCJ   yes I will try that
08:06 Thomas-S    hi
08:26 Thomas-S    bbl
08:41 Thomas-S    hi
11:43 red-001     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=10539&p=205530#p205441
13:01 red-001     is there a way to convert lua nodeboxes to .obj meshs ?
13:04 farooghkz   hi.i should copy textures in minetest/textures/
13:04 farooghkz   right?
13:04 sfan5       red-001: a way, yes; a program that does this, no
13:04 sfan5       farooghkz: yes you can put texture pack folders there
13:05 red-001     so what's the way?
13:05 sfan5       i don't know
13:05 sfan5       but you can do that
13:05 red-001     ok
13:07 farooghkz   sfan, and then?
13:09 farooghkz   i cant use it
13:09 red-001     !tell rubenwardy Nodebox editor doesn't compile in Visual Studio 2013
13:09 MinetestBot red-001: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
13:12 Calinou     >2016 >2013
13:13 farooghkz   i put pixelbox's folder in minetest/textures but i cant use it
13:15 farooghkz   im using mt 0.4.9
13:16 sfan5       try installing a new minetest version
13:18 farooghkz   why?
13:19 VanessaE    you were told before that 0.4.9 is obsolete, farooghkz.
13:19 VanessaE    upgrade.
13:20 fireglow    farooghkz: is there any reason why you can't upgrade to 0.4.13?
13:21 farooghkz   well i cant install it for many days
13:21 VanessaE    why not?
13:21 VanessaE    is there some error?
13:22 farooghkz   i dont have internet
13:22 Obani       -.-
13:22 VanessaE    bullshit
13:23 VanessaE    you're already ON the internet if you can chat with us.
13:23 Obani       You downloaded it yesterday
13:23 giho        > Iran
13:23 VanessaE    > proxies, tor, VPN's ....
13:24 Obani       you downloaded github's repo of Carbone-ng and minetest yesterday
13:24 fireglow    what's with the hostile attitude
13:24 farooghkz   i couldnt download mt yesterday.
13:24 VanessaE    then download it now.
13:25 VanessaE    fireglow: bullshit excuses earn hostile responses. :P
13:26 fireglow    Not sure about that. He may have his reasons.
13:26 VanessaE    if he can download carbone, or a texture pack, he can download minetest from the main website.
13:27 giho        May be it is banned and he wants us to solve his connection problem.
13:27 VanessaE    whether he can *install* it is a different question, but that's independent of his ability to retrieve it.
13:27 fireglow    I see. Well, you're making assumptions. What's obvious for you may not hold in his scenario.
13:28 * VanessaE  sighs
13:28 VanessaE    my assumptions are based directly on his claims.
13:28 fireglow    142446  farooghkz │ i couldnt download mt yesterday.
13:28 VanessaE    he HAS a copy of carbone, which he had to get from github.  minetest has 0.4.13 release builds there, also.
13:29 hos71L3     you all is fat
13:29 Obani       xD
13:29 VanessaE    whatever the texture pack is that he's downloaded, that probably also came from either github or dropbox
13:30 VanessaE    which clearly means he CAN download.
13:30 Obani       farooghkz, do you have a constant internet access ?
13:30 fireglow    Alright. Well, I'm not going to repeat myself. :)
13:31 VanessaE    [01-24 08:32] * Ping reply from farooghkz: 1.732 second(s)  <-- that's a yes.
13:31 red-001     VanessaE didn't you write a script to convert nodeboxes to meshnodes?
13:32 VanessaE    red-001: yeah, see my "slope test" mod, it's in a 'spoiler' box in the first post
13:34 farooghkz   LOLOLOL
13:35 farooghkz   i come here with my mobile phone and i downloaded carbone-ng and pixelbox with my phone but i think i cant download and install mt
13:36 sfan5       why don't you try to download it
13:40 farooghkz   ok.ill try.but which file should i download?
13:41 fireglow    That's exactly the scenario I had in mind, heh
13:42 fireglow    farooghkz: can you somehow get the file on your phone to your computer?
13:42 farooghkz   yes.if i can download it
13:43 fireglow    and what operating system is your computer running?
13:44 farooghkz   ubuntu
13:46 farooghkz   also windows
13:47 farooghkz   but i like to run that in ubuntu else earlier i could download and install 4 windows
13:48 fireglow    ubuntu 16.04?
13:48 fireglow    I'm not an expert in DEB packaging, but maybe this is the correct file to download and install on your system: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/xenial/amd64/minetest/0.4.13+repack-1
13:48 fireglow    http://launchpadlibrarian.net/222953390/minetest_0.4.13+repack-1_amd64.deb
13:49 fireglow    there should be a tool installed on Ubuntu to install .deb packages
13:49 farooghkz   ubuntu-14.04 i386
13:51 sfan5       ah there's the problem
13:51 sfan5       there are no newer ubuntu 14.04 32-bit builds
13:52 fireglow    ah yes
13:55 farooghkz   another way: compile from src.hard and slow
13:55 fireglow    might be impossible, if you don't have the tools for compiling already installed on your ubuntu system.
13:56 farooghkz   yes
13:56 fireglow    or it will get really hairy with downloading on your phone and transferring all those packages over to your computer.
13:56 farooghkz   i think i dont have
13:57 farooghkz   bye4now
14:05 Ronsor      hi
14:05 Ronsor      i have a question
14:05 Ronsor      where does enable_local_map_saving store the saved maps?
14:05 red-001     worlds/servername_server_ip
14:07 Ronsor      thanks
14:10 Ronsor      i think local map saving is a good idea for e.g. if a server goes down
14:12 Ronsor      hehe it works
14:19 Ronsor      now, how do I play these saved maps though, it doesn't show up in the worlds list
14:33 red-001     you should download a copy of the mods the server uses
14:37 Ronsor      i know the mods
14:37 Ronsor      and have them
14:38 red-001     ok create a new world with the mapgen singlenode
14:38 red-001     enable the mods for that world
14:39 red-001     then copy map.sqlite from the place the map got saved
14:39 red-001     to the new world folder
14:39 Ronsor      ok
14:42 Ronsor      it worked! thank you!
14:42 Ronsor      now i have a local copy of my work on the skyblock server
14:46 red-001     are you also called ronsor on the server?
14:50 Ronsor      Ronsor_
14:50 Ronsor      with an underscore
14:50 Ronsor      Ronsor was taken
14:50 luizrpgluiz hi all :)
14:57 Amoebaa     hi, if I want to ask about minetest features and possibly submitting improvements to them (specifically, the minimap), should I be here or move over to #minetest-dev ?
15:01 luizrpgluiz Amoebaa: you should go in the game development room and put his future in the new gihub game
17:10 Ronsor      here's a tip
17:10 Ronsor      if you dont want griefers on your server
17:10 Ronsor      dont publish to servers.minetest.net
17:10 Ronsor      i've had to ban 6 people already
17:13 kaadmy      what name does celeron55 play MT under?
17:17 Calinou     Ronsor, if you don't want players on your server* :P
17:17 Calinou     kaadmy, not sure if he often plays Minetest anymore
17:18 Calinou     he used to host a server
17:18 kaadmy      because melzua's Pixture server has had someone named "c55" a couple hours ago
17:18 red-001     do you have a protection mod? ronsor?
17:19 red-001     kaadmy I doubt it was celron55
17:22 Ronsor      yeahi do
17:22 Ronsor      *I do
17:22 Ronsor      but still they come and try
17:22 Ronsor      i ended up using denaid protection
17:22 Ronsor      just banned pvp and mods around my stuff
17:23 Obani       kaadmy, yes, someone named c55 is flying around. But I guess it's just a normal player. Or maybe not ?
17:25 red-001     flying?
17:25 red-001     as in actually flying?
17:26 Ronsor      do you have flying enabled for him btw?
17:26 red-001     or figuratively  flying
17:26 Obani       red-001, figuratively, ofc
17:26 Ronsor      oh
17:27 Ronsor      i was afraid he was one of them fake script kiddies that use hacked clients and can't code
17:27 Obani       It can be cool to hack the client
17:28 Obani       As long as it doesn't give you god-like privs
17:28 red-001     'just test'
17:28 Obani       But it can be useful to tweak little things
17:28 Obani       (color codes, for example)
17:28 red-001     if someone can survive there they *are* hacking
17:29 red-001     Obani then it's not hacking
17:29 Obani       it is
17:30 red-001     does it give you an unfair advantage?
17:30 Obani       Yes
17:30 Obani       But a hack isn't something that gives you an unfair advantage
17:30 red-001     ?
17:30 Obani       Hacking is to find a way to do something
17:30 Obani       For example
17:31 Obani       How to put a truck on an university
17:31 Obani       I mean
17:31 Obani       ON
17:31 Obani       This is hack
17:31 Obani       How to reduce damage flash speed, change its color
17:31 Obani       It is hack
17:31 red-001     I meant hacking as in exploiting weakness in a computer system
17:31 Obani       How to give you admin privileges
17:32 Obani       It is hack
17:32 Obani       Well, if its so weak, why don't you try to protect it ? :p
17:32 red-001     anti cheat is hard to make
17:32 Obani       You have tools to do it, don't you ?
17:32 red-001     and I don't know a lot of c++
17:34 Obani       red-001,  if you can't hack for it disappears
17:34 Obani       Stop tell it's a problem :p
17:34 Obani       There will always be fools who will want to break the rules
17:34 Obani       And kids that will want to use their tools
17:36 Lugal       HI
17:36 Lugal       have problem
17:37 Lugal       I build building in Windows, now I copy map to Linux, and building is not there. Wtf and why?
17:38 Ronsor      that should never happen
17:40 VanessaE    Lugal: you have proper support for your map's backend, under linux?
17:40 VanessaE    e.g. leveldb
17:40 Ronsor      also fyi i use a hacked client, but I leave the 'cheats' disabled
17:41 Ronsor      well except on my stuff
17:41 red-001     Obani: red-001,  if you can't hack for it disappears
17:41 red-001     ?
17:41 red-001     what do you mean?
17:42 Obani       If you can't hack the engine fo it permits you to disable hacks
17:42 Ronsor      anti-cheat is hard to make
17:42 * red-001   ...
17:42 Ronsor      and i know C++
17:44 red-001     Obani Sorry, I still don't understand what you mean
17:53 MBB         hi
17:53 MBB         hi
17:54 red-001     hi
17:54 giho        hi
17:54 Lugal       the building is still there on Windows, but not in LInux. and the difference in only the amount of blocks
17:54 Lugal       the same blocks that are in the linux world
17:55 MBB         come on my minetest server  jbb.ddns.de : 43234
17:55 MBB         please
17:55 MBB         twe have an nice world there
17:55 Lugal       so is there any other saving location for windows? (does it save the world in myfiles folder or something)
17:55 MBB         hmm
17:57 MBB         but come on please
17:57 Lugal       cant connect to your server
17:57 MBB         hmm
17:57 MBB         jbb.ddns.de
17:57 MBB         :43234
17:57 Lugal       treid that
17:57 Ronsor      oh hey
17:57 red-001     can you give us an ip?
17:57 Ronsor      why you're at it
17:57 Ronsor      can you join mine too
17:58 Ronsor      108.196.9.243:30000
17:58 MBB         hmm
17:58 MBB         come on my server please
17:58 MBB         i havent enaugh players
17:59 red-001     and my sever 127.0.0.1
17:59 MBB         hmm
18:00 kaadmy      red-001: lol
18:01 MBB         come on my serv please
18:01 MBB         come on my serv please
18:01 MBB         tplease
18:03 fireglow    give me 5 EUR and I will join your server
18:03 MBB         are you little lot
18:03 fireglow    no, I am fireglow
18:03 MBB         hmm we have an little lot
18:04 MBB         the plays on 4.firc.de
18:12 Krock       oh cool? people are paid for joining servers?
18:12 * Krock     wants too
18:14 Fixer       ._.
18:16 JBB         yes of course
18:16 MBB         hes the admin of my ld server
18:17 JBB         Im not rich enough for paing people
18:17 JBB         I use the public seerverlist
18:33 fireglow    !seen Sokomine
18:33 MinetestBot fireglow: sokomine was last seen at 2016-01-17 22:58:03 UTC on #minetest-de
19:00 everamzah   red-001: lmao
19:02 everamzah   i guess tobyplowy removed his comment asking about latest git
19:02 everamzah   it really looks, now, like you're telling paramat where to find latest mt
19:21 kaeza       o/
19:22 fireglow    hi kaeza :)
19:45 kaadmy      would it be OK to bundle minetest with Pixture  as a single game on itch.io?
19:48 est31       That's what the engine is for, isn't it?
19:49 Ronsor      yeah
19:49 Ronsor      you can do that
19:49 Ronsor      the license allows
19:51 kaadmy      i was pretty sure that it's ok, just want to see if anybody has objections/problems
19:51 kaadmy      and minetest itself is't on itch.io yet
19:52 everamzah   how considerate of you to ask!  i wish you great success.  seems a lot of people are very intested in pixture.
19:53 kaadmy      ^
19:53 kaadmy      i think bundled with minetest as the main subgame and remove minetest_game would be nice
19:53 kaadmy      then see if people that don't understand mods/subgames can play it ;)
19:54 everamzah   now that's asking a lot.  personally, i think minetest ought to be distributed without a subgame at all.
19:54 everamzah   probably the other end of the "nope" spectrum
19:54 kaadmy      yes, but in its current state, most people will look at the name and think it's garbage
19:55 kaadmy      or just another broken MC clone
19:55 everamzah   you've seen the thread about bundling multiple sub-games?  i just think the games ought to reside in separate packages.  and that minimal is enough.
19:56 kaadmy      i agree
19:56 everamzah   there's also a "nominate a subgame" thread about which subgame should come bundled with minetest
19:56 kaadmy      and nothing has been done about bundling subgames since what, 2014?
19:57 everamzah   do you know sgtmarkiv?
19:57 kaadmy      brutal doom?
19:57 everamzah   lol
19:57 kaadmy      i play it a lot
19:57 everamzah   very popular mod, very unpopular mod author
19:57 kaadmy      yep
19:57 kaadmy      heard a couple days ago on reddit that apperantly he's an asshole
19:57 everamzah   lol
19:57 kaadmy      ^ sry for the lang
19:58 everamzah   i just remember on zdoom forum when some1 said they were gonna do themselves in, and he replied with information on where to order a body bag
19:58 everamzah   ok i'm done offtopicing *doot de doo*
20:03 kaadmy      <offtopic> does anybody here play doom?
20:05 kaeza       [on] yes, kinda
20:06 kaeza       Doom 3 counts, right?
20:06 kaadmy      i was thinking of doom 1/2 ;)
20:08 Thomas-S    bye
20:09 kaeza       My Ultimate (Final?) Doom CD broke long ago, so don't have the original WADs anymore
20:09 kaadmy      i just play the free stuff
20:09 kaadmy      shareware/freedoom
20:09 Calinou     kaadmy, I do using Doomsday
20:09 Calinou     it supports FreeDM since recently
20:09 kaadmy      ^ i has can use grammer
20:09 kaeza       me two
20:09 kaadmy      doomsday runs too slow for me
20:10 kaadmy      i use zandronum, play mostly online
20:10 kaadmy      i like the siege/invasion mods
20:10 kaadmy      stronghold/shotgun frenzy/complex doom
20:20 Calinou     kaadmy, I got a basic networked UDP game working… but it has no prediction, doesn't handle more than 1 client and doesn't like it when a client disconnects and reconnects :)
20:20 JBB         I had trouble to install the irc mod, debian couldnd find the packet luasicket, so u zsed luarocks bzt i still get errors.  Can somebody help me?
20:20 Calinou     [insert "it's something" meme here]
20:21 sfan5       JBB: https://packages.debian.org/de/sid/lua-socket
20:22 JBB         Oh thank you, i will look there..
20:22 * kaeza     meows at sfan5
20:23 kaadmy      ouch, if i bundle mt on itch.io, i can't provide builds
20:23 kaadmy      linux builds*
20:23 * sfan5     meows at kaeza
20:23 Calinou     kaadmy, I am on KTX FFA nisse on QuakeWorld
20:23 kaadmy      Calinou: ok
20:23 Calinou     taking a break from coding :p
20:25 kaadmy      btw calinou, do you play QWTF?
20:27 Calinou     nope
20:36 Fixer       from google search: "Das bisherige Landesvermessungsamt und die bisherige Hauptvermessungsabteilung"
20:36 Fixer       lol, that's why I did not learn that language
22:04 kaadmy      est31: fixed your issue
22:07 est31       thx
22:07 kaadmy      yw
22:07 est31       really nice game btw, like it.
22:34 DI3HARD139  ~seen crazyginger72
22:34 ShadowBot   DI3HARD139: I haven't seen crazyginger72 in #minetest.
22:35 est31       ~seen est31
22:35 ShadowBot   est31: I saw est31 in #minetest 27 minutes and 36 seconds ago saying "really nice game btw, like it."
22:35 est31       works
22:35 DI3HARD139  try this one more time XD
22:35 DI3HARD139  ~seen crazyginger72
22:35 ShadowBot   DI3HARD139: I haven't seen crazyginger72 in #minetest.
22:35 DI3HARD139  nope... eh oh well
22:36 DI3HARD139  ~seen cg72
22:36 ShadowBot   DI3HARD139: I haven't seen cg72 in #minetest.
22:36 DI3HARD139  anyways... back to the mods
22:36 fireglow    all the mods
22:49 halo        hi
22:51 DI3HARD139  hi
23:20 Megaf       Soni, I'm connected to the internet using 2G,
23:20 Megaf       That's fun, reminds me of the old Dial Up connections
23:20 Soni        uhh
23:21 Soni        do I know you?
23:23 Megaf       Sockbat, well, maybe you do
23:23 Megaf       Soni, I mean
23:23 Megaf       !server Megaf
23:23 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/11, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
23:23 Megaf       Soni, I have the Minetest Server and I join this channel for about 3 years
23:23 Megaf       s/the/that
23:23 Megaf       s/join/have been joining
23:24 Megaf       Soni, ah, sorry, my IRC client completed your nick because I typed so + ","
23:24 Megaf       I apologize
23:25 Soni        .-.
23:25 Megaf       sofar, this is a test
23:25 Megaf       lol
23:25 Megaf       I have to fix that
23:26 Megaf       so, this is a test
23:26 * kaadmy    hears a loud and constant pinging sound
23:26 Megaf       there
23:26 Megaf       kaadmy, there
23:26 Megaf       lol
23:26 Megaf       sofar, Soni, again, I apologize, it won't happen again :)
23:27 Megaf       how are you both anyway? Here in Dublin thins are good and specially warm for this time of the year, it was 14C this afternoon and now at 23:27 it still 12C when usually it should be around 2 ~ 8 and maybe snowing
23:28 Soni        you could say I'm a bit busy...
23:31 rubenwardy  MinetestBot, ping
23:31 Megaf       MinetestBot, ping
23:33 OldCoder    rubenwardy, hello
23:33 rubenwardy  Hi
23:34 rubenwardy  I'm supposed to have been given MinetestBot messages
23:34 Megaf       !ping
23:34 Megaf       rubenwardy, timed out
23:34 Megaf       !tell Megaf pong
23:34 MinetestBot You can tell that to yourself
23:34 rubenwardy  But MTB has failed yet again :'(
23:37 rubenwardy  Fixer, Ronsor, sfan5: http://minetest.rubenwardy.com/stats
23:38 Fixer       rubenwardy, thanks
23:38 * Fixer     >_> 0.4.11, unknown
23:39 Fixer       android
23:39 Fixer       jeez, people are mazo these days
23:39 rubenwardy  That info is collect from my nginx server serving remote media
23:44 Ronsor      illegal ios?
23:45 kaadmy      iOS has no official MT apps
23:46 rubenwardy  That's incorrect actually: you can download it from elsewhere and it be legal
23:46 rubenwardy  It's just the App Store apps that are illegal
23:47 Ronsor      oh
23:47 Ronsor      why is the App Store illegal?
23:47 rubenwardy  That's a seven day sample, btw
23:47 rubenwardy  We use a GNU (L)GPL license
23:47 rubenwardy  the app store is not compatible with that
23:47 rubenwardy  !g GNU GPL Apple App Store
23:47 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/6109/is-it-possible-to-have-gpl-software-in-the-mac-app-store
23:48 Fixer       rubenwardy, wonder how many actual individual players
23:48 Ronsor      oh well, i'll still publish an 'illegal' app anyways lolll
23:48 Ronsor      its not like someone will sue me
23:49 Fixer       apple is anal
23:49 rubenwardy  Ronsor, you're kind of violating our rights though
23:49 rubenwardy  So, gtfo
23:49 rubenwardy  red-001: https://github.com/rubenwardy/NodeBoxEditor/issues/80
23:49 Ronsor      oh yeah i'll just break the apple agreement too
23:51 Ronsor      i need my jailbreak
23:53 Ronsor      it's not a big deal
23:54 Fritigern   That's not or you to decide
23:54 Ronsor      2dtest, my 2d-version of minetest, ii can distribute
23:54 Ronsor      *for
23:54 Fritigern   Sure, as long as you use a compatible licens
23:54 rubenwardy  Fritigern? Who was that too?
23:55 Fritigern   Ruben, that was to Ronsor
23:55 rubenwardy  ok
23:55 * Fritigern is surprized it even cause confusion
23:55 rubenwardy  Was checking
23:56 Ronsor      if you can't impose restrictions, who said anything about restricting? without apple its still possible to sideload an app, and distribute it, and other things
23:57 rubenwardy  The app store imposes restrictions. You can still make iOS ports, you just can't legally put them on the app store.
23:57 rubenwardy  afaik
23:57 Ronsor      what if i reimplemented minetest from scratch?
23:58 est31       then it would work
23:58 rubenwardy  Then there won't be any problems...
23:58 rubenwardy  Copyright doesn't work on ideas
23:58 rubenwardy  it works on tangible things
23:59 Ronsor      i'll just get back to my terraria ripoff
23:59 sofar       "cleanroom implementations" are perfectly legal
23:59 est31       we could go the VLC player way and re-license under dual MPL and GPL
23:59 rubenwardy  As long as you don't copy code, it's fine
23:59 est31       but mt has >200 contributors
23:59 Ronsor      yeah