Time  Nick             Message
00:01 lemon            BigMacBurger, I can host a server for you.
00:03 BigMacBurger     I currently have a digital ocean VPS but it has one core. Is your hardware adaquate to handle a few mods?
00:05 BigMacBurger     I have areas, home decore, hud, inventory plus, locked sign, mesecons, money, pipeworks, plantlife, streets, travelnet, and zcg
00:15 * sofar          swears at C++
00:16 BigMacBurger     How much hard drive space does a minetest server need?
00:16 sofar            BigMacBurger: people travelling can easily force a few gb's of data to be generated
00:17 sofar            930M	world0
00:17 sofar            76M	world1
00:17 sofar            897M	world2
00:17 sofar            22M	world3-old
00:17 BigMacBurger     20 gigs enough?
00:17 sofar            that's pretty decent
00:17 BigMacBurger     K thanks.
00:19 BigMacBurger     can minetest use ipv6?
00:20 sofar            I believe so
00:21 sofar            set # ipv6_server = true
00:21 sofar            or use bind_address
00:21 BigMacBurger     One more question. How much RAM do I need?
00:22 sofar            not much, but more makes the server run better
00:23 BigMacBurger     256?
00:23 BigMacBurger     Or will that be sluggish?
00:23 sofar            mine are sitting at 300-600m res
00:24 BigMacBurger     OK thanks.
00:47 nolsen           How much RAM would it need to power up the deathstar?
00:49 rom1504          maybe they do all operation on disk, hence 0 ram
00:49 rom1504          that would explain why it's so slow :p
00:50 nolsen           rom1504: Or, they could be using Windows 10.
00:55 rom1504          then they'd need at least a few exabytes of ram
00:59 sofar            my son is building a santa's sleigh and is putting reindeer in front of it :)
01:01 Emperor_Genshin  brb
01:22 LinuxGuy2020     Is there a way to reverse the mouse wheel scroll direction so it matches other games I'm used to? It really slows me down building.
01:22 rubenwardy       My app can now install mods from zip files!
01:23 lemon            Is it possible to use a table as a name for an item in another table?
01:23 sofar            rubenwardy: nice
01:23 sofar            LinuxGuy2020: in C++, should be easy. Don't know it there's a config file for that
01:25 sofar            lemon: use a table as a name for an item in another table? wha?
01:26 lemon            sofar, like this: pos = {x=0,y=0,z=0}; node[pos] = "some node"
01:27 sofar            you mean, minetest.set_node(pos, {name = "bla"}) ?
01:27 lemon            no
01:27 sofar            tables can not be array indices
01:27 sofar            strings, and integers can
01:27 lemon            ok
01:27 lemon            that is strange though
01:28 lemon            because strings are also kind of tables
01:28 rubenwardy       you can have table indices in lua
01:28 rubenwardy       But i'd stay away from that
01:28 sofar            sfan5: WE icon is showing over the new creative inventory
01:29 lemon            rubenwardy, how? why?
01:30 rubenwardy       something like table[{one="two"}] = 3
01:34 lemon            why would you stay away from that?
01:35 rubenwardy       It's bad coding practice, imo
01:36 lemon            why?
01:37 * Fritigern      listens in. trying to learn a thing or two
01:38 rubenwardy       Idk, just an instinct XD
01:38 lemon            sofar, for instance, if I would want to create an area and assign particular people to it, I can use something like areas[pos] = {}; table.insert(areas[pos], "player name of who belongs to that area")
01:38 rubenwardy       AreaStore would be better for that
01:38 rubenwardy       AreaStore was made because area protection was getting slow on big servers
01:43 lemon            thanks, that might work better
01:55 lemon            Oh no, AreaStore can't store tables :(
02:02 Fritigern        Any thoughts about this idea? https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=13896
02:04 lemon            Make player spawn at random places on death and login.
02:06 Fritigern        Only on first login. Subsequent spawns will be at where they were when they logged off. Spawn after death should be at their home or first spawn point.
02:20 lemon            https://github.com/Ferk/Dungeontest looks pretty cool
02:26 lezzy            https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=13897
02:26 lezzy            anyone like this idea?
02:26 sofar            damage numbers?
02:26 sofar            sure, not a bad idea
02:27 kaadmy           meh
02:28 lezzy            its more for pvp lol
02:28 kaadmy           good idea, but looks really bad
02:28 lezzy            it works better on my game where the HP can go to 1200 not 20
02:28 lezzy            looks bad? in a 16px voxel world that is bad?
02:29 sofar            there's always a style hater ;)
02:30 lezzy            lol im trying not to kill the engine with 1024px textures lol
02:30 lemon            There are too much violence in minetest, we shouldn't concentrate on pvp imho.
02:31 lezzy            well i coded it for my rpg/mmorpg but did it into a seperate mod
02:32 lezzy            technically the mod could display any number at any pos in any color for ANY REASON!
02:33 lemon            good
02:33 lemon            People like numbers.
02:33 kaadmy           is it just an entity with a combined texture with 9 digits?
02:33 lezzy            it does have a very easy API
02:34 lezzy            no its a particle effect, it appears and drifts upward for a short (1 second) time
02:34 kaadmy           the font is out of place
02:34 kaadmy           hi-ish res but pixellated
02:35 kaadmy           and a comic-y font
02:35 lezzy            and it has been tested to 20 digits
02:35 lezzy            and thats bad how?
02:38 kaadmy           not bad, just out of place
02:39 lezzy            my game is full of noncubic meshes so it fits there where it was designed
02:39 lemon            Anybody want's to try Dungeontest game?
02:40 ohso             Hello. Trying to build minetest on debian, getting an error when it gets to Linking CXX executable ../bin/minetestserver
02:41 ohso             it says /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lTRUE
02:41 ohso             collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
02:42 ohso             src/CMakeFiles/minetestserver.dir/build.make:3870: recipe for target 'bin/minetestserver' failed
02:42 lezzy            lemon: nah not rn, im working on my own game, EpicNode :D
02:43 lezzy            ohso that is something ive not seen before, are you building the latest?
02:43 lemon            what game?
02:44 lemon            lezzy, I am going to leave the server for a while. You are welcome to join.
02:44 ohso             latest stable
02:44 lemon            Address is 108.63.249.145
02:45 lezzy            lemon: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=13758&p=202002#p202002
02:45 lezzy            my game^^
02:51 ohso             bah, deleted my source dir and ran git clone again and this time it built. weird.
02:55 lemon            > RPG/MMORPG nice
02:56 lemon            WOW TREES
02:59 ohso             darn, server still won't run carbone-ng.  nodes.lua:1682 in main chunk  ERROR[main]:  [C]: in function 'dofile'
02:59 ohso             attempt to call a nil value
02:59 sofar            either bad config file or bad game
03:00 ohso             su -
03:00 ohso             haha, wrong window
03:07 Fritigern        ohso: You could have a look at http://pastebin.com/D0d6hJU2 and pick and choose whatever's to your liking.
03:13 ohso             ok, I deleted the game and my world and started the server successfully.
03:15 ohso             What's a good minecraft type clone gametype that I could set up easily?
03:16 sofar            https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=15
03:20 lemon            Fritigern, what exactly does that script do?
03:22 Fritigern        lemon: It sets up a local git repository (if needed), then builds Minetest. The idea is for even the greatest newbie to be able to build dev versions of Minetest :-)
03:22 ohso             I saw that thanks, there's a ton of games there to check out. What's one that prettry closely mimics vanilla minecraft (improvements are welcome, but looking for at least mobs both hostile and friendly, crafting, farming, hunger, etc.)
03:23 Fritigern        ohso: Back in 0.4.9 days I tried to put together a game like that but i have abandoned the idea. Perhaps I will try again although it is really easy to put a game together. All you need is mods and a smidge of knowledge about what else is needed (which is a text file and two images)
03:24 Fritigern        ohso: If you are looking for mods, try this search engine: http://krock-works.16mb.com/MTstuff/modSearch.php it helps a bunch!
03:25 ohso             is it better to get a bunch of separate mods than a game then?
03:25 ohso             thanks for that link. hadn't seen that one
03:27 Fritigern        Actually, a game is really just a collection of mods and/or mpodpacks, placed in a single folder. You can get an idea by brosing to ../games/Cabone in your Minetest folder.
03:27 Fritigern        *browsing to ..games/Carbone
03:27 Fritigern        (me and my typos)
03:27 ohso             ah. ok.  I delete the carbone-ng dir as the server wouldn't start otherwise
03:28 Fritigern        Oh well, there's always minetest-game :-)
03:32 Fritigern        ohso: I wonder if this mod still works: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5641
03:35 Fritigern        ohso: Look what I found! Turns out I still had my MC-type game up on github! I don;t think it will still work because it was for an older bersion of Minetest, but you could give it a whirl nonetheless and build upon this.
03:35 Fritigern        Oh right, you need a link too . LOL! https://github.com/Fritigern/minetestcraft
03:41 Fritigern        Oh wow.......... The game still works, as long as I remove the food mod. Now to find out if I really needed that.
03:42 Fritigern        The mapgen should be nixed though, the v7 and valleys mapgen are much better for this purpose anyway
03:43 Fritigern        You know, I think I will play with this subgame again and see where I will end up. Maybe this time the result will be even more MC-like
04:21 ohso             Fritigern, cool.
04:22 Fritigern        I am on the moddle of updating all these mods and switching out mods to mimic MC better. Just a little FYI in case it is not MC-like enough for you yet :-)
04:35 ohso             will there be mobs?
04:37 lemon            ohso, there are
04:44 Fritigern        Yes, there will be mobs. I already have the modpack in question picked out ;-)
04:45 ohso             I downloaded a mod but can't figure out where to extract it to.
04:46 Fritigern        Extract to its own folder inside the minetest/mods folder
04:48 lemon            Anybody wants to play Dungeontest game?
04:48 ohso             I don't have a mods folder
04:49 Fritigern        In that case you should make one. All lower case
04:49 ohso             I made  ~/.minetest/mods and extracted the mod there. Do I need to do anything to enable it?
04:50 lemon            yes
04:50 Fritigern        Yes, start the game, switch to the mods tab and enable the mod. it's pertty straightformward
04:50 ohso             ah, I only built the server...it's a cli only machine.
04:51 Fritigern        In that case, I am not quite sure. It's been a while since i lasty ran a server
04:51 lemon            ohso, start the server
04:51 lemon            turn it off
04:52 lemon            edit ~/.minetest/worlds/world/world.mt to enable or disable mods
04:52 Fritigern        Idea: Set up minetest on your non-CLI machine, install the mods that you want, have it run the way you want and when you are satisfied with the result, move the world and its mods to the server
04:54 ohso             cool, thanks. Looks like it is working now.
04:58 ohso             Have to run. Thanks for the help.
05:16 lemon            Ethereal is so nice https://neboard.me/media/images/1452914083493.png
05:17 sofar            everyone has their taste
05:24 lemon            they do
08:10 Skyduskguy       does group explody not do anything?
08:12 lemon            what do you mean?
08:14 Skyduskguy       it doesnt seem to do anything?
08:15 Skyduskguy       im setting a node to explody and it doesnt respond to anything
08:15 lemon            explode?
08:15 Skyduskguy       * `explody`: Especially prone to explosions
08:16 Skyduskguy       its not reacting or doing anything
08:20 Thomas-S         hi
08:41 sofar            https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/789
08:49 lemon            > Under the hood, we can prevent the top part of the door from being obstructed by placing an invisible node.
08:50 sofar            if you don't do that, a sand block could just fall in a door
08:50 lemon            Doors should be assigned to the pos of the top node of the dorr.
08:50 lemon            door
08:50 sofar            or fluid can go in there
08:50 sofar            it doesn't matter
08:50 lemon            that's the plan!
08:50 lemon            liquids should come under the door
08:50 sofar            if you put the door in the top, then fluid can go through the bottom
08:50 lemon            yeah, that is what I meant
08:50 sofar            and if a person digs the 1 dirt under the door away, he can walk in
08:51 sofar            so no, the invisible node stays
08:51 lemon            well, that is kind of realistic
08:51 lemon            too
08:51 sofar            someone can mod it in a subgame or different mod
08:51 lemon            ok
08:52 sofar            I'm not going to submit this large PR *and* change radically how the door works :)
08:52 sofar            the idea is to keep it mostly the same, but get rid of the two-door-halves issue
08:53 lemon            good PR
08:54 sofar            the API will be really useful for e.g. mesecons
09:15 Thomas-S         sofar: After you added the Aspen trees, I have another suggestion for you:  What do you think about adding oak trees? This would also simplify importing Minecraft maps enormously.
09:24 Megaf            Hello everyone, why arent you clever and creative people playing on my survival server yet?
09:26 lemon            Megaf, I haven't heard about it.
09:26 Megaf            really? Its been around for almost 4 years
09:26 Megaf            !server Megaf
09:26 MinetestBot      Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/11, 0/6 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
09:28 giho             !server Darkage
09:28 MinetestBot      giho: Darkage creative | me0w.net | Clients: 0/32, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 8ms
09:31 sfan5            sofar: file a bug on github pls
09:35 lemon            I made a tag game mod. Anybody want to try?
10:17 H-H-H            sorry rubenwardy i fell alseep
10:18 H-H-H            hey sofar can i pick your brains for a minute
10:20 H-H-H            or perhaps sfan5 could help
10:21 Pulec            any active minetest servers?
10:23 H-H-H            i am trying to make a machine that is essentially the same as a furnace however in the callback for allow inventory take i have a function that first checks the inv list in this case "dst" then counts the itemstack and then adds that amount to a db record. this part is working well however i dont want the item to actually end up in inventoryas its already added to the db so how can i make is so when you drag it from the dst inv list in the
10:23 H-H-H            node it disapears from the game lol?
10:26 H-H-H            if anyone has any ideas how to do that i would be very much apreciated
10:26 H-H-H            it*
10:34 lemon            Pulec, what do you mean by "active"?
11:31 lemon            What do you guys thing about a mod that would assign random colors for the nicknames in minetest?
11:32 lemon            (And maybe also assign random colors of shirts for the players' skins?)
11:33 Obani            lemon, not a bad idea :)
11:33 Obani            lemon, random for each connection ?
11:34 Obani            lemon, I would prefer a mod that permits to choose a nickname color :)
11:34 Ingar            random sucks
11:45 lemon            random + option to chose
11:48 Thomas-S         bye
11:49 Obani            Ingar, why does it ?
11:53 Ingar            Obani: it's how the brain works, colors are pretty powerfull, it will confuse me if players have a different color every time
11:53 Ingar            and I bet it ouwld make me orange
11:53 Obani            Well that's the point
11:53 Obani            confusing things can be annoyaing and can be funny
11:54 Obani            It depends on how you include it
11:54 Ingar            for me, it's usually the former
11:54 Obani            If it's include in a rainbow world with nyan cats and colors everywhere, it can be part of the fun
11:54 Ingar            also
11:54 Obani            It's just a mod, you should be abled to put it everywhere :D
11:54 Ingar            I'm famous for my grayscale designs :D
11:55 Obani            Yes I love grayscale too
11:55 Obani            But greyscale is more for abstract creations to me :p
11:57 Obani            I could give you my own examples lol
12:42 H-H-H            bah this sucks lol my brain cant figure it out
12:47 everamzah        H-H-H: perhaps on_inventory_take return 0 ... just a thought
12:49 H-H-H            that works but then the item just goes back into the inv of the machine
12:51 H-H-H            which kind of defeats the purpose
12:54 everamzah        oh.  perhaps return -1 then
12:55 H-H-H            hmmm never tried that hang on
12:55 H-H-H            i even tried reseting the itemstak in the machine to empty but that didnt work either
12:57 H-H-H            lol -1 leaves it in the machine inv and adds it to your inv lol
12:58 everamzah        ye i got nothin
12:58 everamzah        try publishing the code so people may look at it, might help to find a solution
12:58 everamzah        my .02 cents
12:59 H-H-H            its the same code as the furnace in default in minetest game im just adding stuff to allow_metadata_inventory_take function
13:00 H-H-H            hi rubenwardy my apologies for yesterday and not replying i fell asleep lol
13:00 rubenwardy       np
13:00 rubenwardy       The solution I can see is to cancel the move, then remove from the stack.
13:01 rubenwardy       but that seems a little hacky, maybe - Has the stack already been subtracted from at that point, and would you have to use minetest.after?
13:01 H-H-H            well im adding to my db in the allow inventory take function so yes it is "in your hand" at that point
13:03 H-H-H            http://pastebin.com/g554WML0
13:04 H-H-H            exscuse the unused variables and stuff they are results of me trying stuff
13:06 H-H-H            using return 0 works but then i need to remove the stack from the machine after it has done with the inv moving etc
13:09 everamzah        haven't looked yet, but perhaps stack:clear() works, or stack:remove_item(), etc..
13:11 H-H-H            maybe but i think at the point im trying to do it technically the stak in the dst list doesnt exist as i have already got it in my hand so to speak
13:14 MinetestBot      02[git] 04pinkysnowman -> 03minetest/minetest: corrected minetest.pos_to_string() 1322bc66d https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/22bc66d3a7b96f0742669a988b45d07d58e32928 (152016-01-16T13:06:41Z)
13:14 MinetestBot      02[git] 04Rogier-5 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix error message in settings tab overlapping 'save' button 13487ab59 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/487ab593d031bf310bd76b3edfe2ad42c1e248b5 (152016-01-16T13:05:46Z)
13:14 MinetestBot      02[git] 04duane-r -> 03minetest/minetest: Prevent spawning in rivers with valleys mapgen. Remove unecessary whitespace. 13752d820 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/752d8202061b1092daacb1f7056ace4d5aabef01 (152016-01-16T13:05:03Z)
13:16 creeper          Hello
13:17 Guest49789       I've tried to setup server on windows machine however i'm unable to telnet to the designated port @ localhost
13:19 everamzah        i would try 0.0.0.0 -- not sure, tho
13:19 kahrl            Guest49789: telnet uses TCP, minetest uses UDP, they are not compatible
13:19 everamzah        oh
13:20 Guest49789       ok
13:20 Guest49789       thank
13:20 Guest49789       s
13:20 Guest49789       then
13:20 H-H-H            beat me to it lol
13:30 H-H-H            see above paste rubenwardy
13:34 lemon            sofar, I see that beds are defined using two nodes. Maybe the same thing you did with the doors can be applied to bed too?
13:46 lemon            https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pipsqueake.squeakecraft
13:46 MinetestBot      02[git] 04BlockMen -> 03BlockMen/minetest_next: Add birchwood fence 13a19e044 https://github.com/BlockMen/minetest_next/commit/a19e0448a90ed6af051745a7e43eed50aad0d446 (152016-01-16T14:42:57+01:00)
13:46 lemon            again they have minetest with advertisements E:
13:48 rubenwardy       At least it is legal
13:48 Fixer            finally MTG is moving forward
13:49 rubenwardy       Just incase you misread, that's minetest_next
13:51 Fixer            MTG also has new commits
13:54 Fixer            steel trapdoor, new trees, tree logs, new creative menu
13:54 Fixer            and other
14:00 Guest49789       So, i've mapped the port and turned off firewalls still my friend can't connect to my server, it says connection timed out. Can someone help please? Thanks.
14:24 Fritigern        !server minetestcraft
14:24 MinetestBot      Fritigern: MineTestCraft | 67.170.30.149 | Clients: 0/20, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetestcraft | Ping: 172ms
14:24 Thomas-S         hi
14:24 Fritigern        YAY! It's working
14:29 everamzah        congratulations1
14:29 everamzah        !
14:29 everamzah        haha i like the name ;)
14:31 Obani            Fritigern, what mapgen are you using ?
14:31 Fritigern        I'm using v7
14:31 Obani            valleys mapgen just came out
14:32 Obani            It's very light and beautiful
14:32 Obani            (last dev)
14:32 Fritigern        I know, but it's too bumpy for me
14:33 Fritigern        Besides, my server tries to be as much like MC as possible (with some liberties here and there) and v7 is closer to MC's mapgen than valleys is
14:33 Obani            Fritigern, I don't get why you want to copy MC
14:33 Fritigern        For fun, tyhat's all
14:35 everamzah        looks like a pretty alright collections of mods there.  i was actually checking to make sure you were using BM's craftingpack
14:35 everamzah        good luck with everything
14:35 Fritigern        Thank you :-)
14:36 Fritigern        Alright, time for me to skedaddle. See you all later!
15:33 Megaf            Obani, link for the mapgen please
15:34 * Megaf          will google
15:34 Obani            Megaf, no google please
15:35 * Megaf          will duckduckgo
15:35 Obani            Megaf, it's in the latest dev release
15:35 Obani            Also you can look at WIP Mods
15:35 Obani            to download the lua mod
15:35 Obani            But It was added as C++ to core
15:35 Megaf            Obani, does it affects already generated world?
15:36 Obani            of course
15:37 Obani            If it's in lua yes
15:37 Obani            in Core you cannot change mapgen in a map
15:37 Megaf            so they added yet antoher mapgen to minetest
15:39 Megaf            It'd be nice if it could generate volcanoes with flowing lava
15:40 Calinou          talking about Google - it seems they took down https://github.com/google/fonts, so I'm uploading my own at https://github.com/Calinou/google-fonts
15:40 Calinou          upload will be done in ~1 hour
15:47 Krock            Calinou, wouldn't it be better to upload smaller packets rather than sending all at once
15:47 Krock            *?
15:52 Calinou          I'm just reuploading what they did, aka. the whole repository
15:52 Calinou          including history
16:07 Krock            oh okay
16:12 lemon            What are the ways to prevent the player from digging nodes?
16:12 Calinou          lemon, use unbreakable nodes from Map Tools; or use the "areas" mod
16:13 rubenwardy       Or for a custom node, remove all digging groups and add immortal=1
16:15 Fixer            Calinou, nice catch, gj
16:16 lemon            What I am trying to do is to allow the player to place nodes in https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=13317
16:17 lemon            Because by default players can't place nodes in this game.
16:19 Calinou          I'm giving AppImage a try to make a portable Minetest build
16:19 * Calinou        downloads Xubuntu 12.04.4 x64 ISO
16:19 * Calinou        will make a virtual machine
16:20 Megaf            Calinou, hm, my fork is portable already... just need to bundle the libs
16:21 Megaf            drun_in_place makes it portable, no?
16:21 sfan5            Calinou: try vagrant is you quickly need a linux vm
16:22 sfan5            if*
16:22 Calinou          meh, it takes 10 minutes to install
16:22 Calinou          5 minutes of downloading left
16:29 xenkey           vagrant huh
16:32 Calinou          installing Xubuntu 12.04 is literally going back in time…
16:32 Calinou          the wallpaper, the theme
16:32 Megaf            lol
16:32 Megaf            you should be installing Debian LXDE
16:33 Megaf            I don't get why so many people use Ubuntu
16:33 Calinou          because it's a better system for providing builds overall
16:33 Megaf            There is just nothing special about it, but security breaches, tracking and banners/ads
16:33 Calinou          Ubuntu 12.04 builds can support: Ubuntu 12.04+, Debian 7+, Fedora 17+, openSUSE, Arch Linux…
16:34 Calinou          it's Xubuntu, not plain Ubuntu
16:34 Calinou          so no ads :)
16:34 exio4            anyone here has a sony xperia e4g?
16:34 exio4            or samsung galaxy a3
16:35 Megaf            is there a way to better filter the output of ldd? I want an output like /use/lib/directory/lib.so
16:35 Calinou          oh yes, I'm interested, how do you know which libraries a compiled program needs?
16:35 Calinou          the .so files
16:35 exio4            using ldd
16:36 Megaf            Calinou, ldd bin
16:36 Megaf            ldd bin/minetest
16:36 Calinou          right
16:36 Megaf            Calinou, what you are trying to do I am too, so let's not duplicate our efforts and join #gcc
16:36 Megaf            I just asked the question about ldd there
16:37 Calinou          Megaf, make an AppImage file for client at least, and possibly server
16:37 Calinou          an alternative is to make a generic Minetest build and put lots of .so's in bin/ folder…
16:37 Calinou          it's possible, but a bit uglier I guess
16:38 Megaf            Calinou, that's what I'm thinking about, putting .so's in bin
16:38 Megaf            I think is not ugly
16:38 rubenwardy       exio4, why do you ask? I have a Sony Xperia M4 Aqua, if that's close enough.
16:38 exio4            rubenwardy: would you recommend it?
16:39 rubenwardy       I've only had it for about two weeks, but I would so far. Very good mid-range phone.
16:39 rubenwardy       It gets hot when playing certain games, but it's water proof thus water cooled
16:40 Calinou          I never play games on my phone… I find them unusable, plus there's very few libre games for mobile.
16:40 Calinou          desktop gaming is a gazillon times better
16:40 rubenwardy       The 8GB version's app storage isn't great, but better than the last one I had
16:41 rubenwardy       Calinou, same. I only have a few games for when I'm bored waiting at bus stops/on buses
16:41 exio4            well, the E4g isn't water proof
16:41 exio4            (AFAIK)
16:41 rubenwardy       probably not.
16:41 Calinou          my phone is a LG G3, running stock Android
16:41 Calinou          should flash it with CyanogenMod some day, I don't like the theme and the slowness
16:42 Calinou          (>Snapdragon 800 >slow… yes, LG managed to make it slow)
16:42 exio4            Android is slow
16:42 Calinou          bare Android is very fast
16:42 Calinou          try a Moto G
16:42 rubenwardy       My phone comes with Sony bloatware (such as the Xperia App Store, "whats on") but apart from that it's stock.
16:43 Megaf            Calinou,
16:43 Megaf            error while loading shared libraries: libIrrlicht.so.1.8: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
16:43 Megaf            bundling the so files in the bin doesnt work
16:43 rubenwardy       Been doing app dev recently. One thing that I find surprising is that you can't have a background task, such as installing a mod, without it being a service always on
16:43 Calinou          :s
16:43 rubenwardy       otherwise it would stop when you close the app
16:43 Elinvention      Oh I'm going to buy an LG G3 too
16:43 Calinou          I guess you need to pass a parameter to CMake?
16:43 Calinou          Elinvention, hi :)
16:44 Elinvention      Calinou: Hi
16:44 Elinvention      Everyone: Hi
16:44 Megaf            $ file bin/libIrrlicht.so.1.8
16:44 Megaf            bin/libIrrlicht.so.1.8: ELF 64-bit LSB shared object, x86-64, version 1 (GNU/Linux), dynamically linked, BuildID[sha1]=53f39f37d02a085ede6281469bfe55650e2e7222, stripped
16:45 Elinvention      Anyone using an updated Debian testing?
16:46 Calinou          nope, stopped using Debian testing since it's basically Debian for kids according to DDs
16:46 Calinou          Fedora is the serious cutting-edge system
16:46 Calinou          or Ubuntu non-LTS
16:47 Megaf            Calinou, I made it!
16:47 Megaf            it is running with libs on bin or wherever you want
16:47 Megaf            cd bin
16:47 Megaf            LD_LIBRARY_PATH=. ./minetest
16:47 Megaf            or, cd minetest
16:48 Calinou          shouldn't be needed to run the program
16:48 Megaf            LD_LIBRARY_PATH=libs bin/minetest
16:48 Calinou          users shouldn't need to modify an environment variable
16:48 Megaf            that makes it run without having to recompile
16:48 Calinou          sure, you could use a shell script to do it for you, it's still a hack
16:48 Megaf            I dont think so
16:48 exio4            how is it a hack?
16:48 exio4            it's a standard practice, heck, most apps do so
16:48 Megaf            thats how Unix works
16:48 exio4            redeclipse does it
16:48 exio4            even steam does it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
16:49 Calinou          https://github.com/probonopd/AppImageKit/wiki/FAQ
16:49 Megaf            Calinou, the proper way of doing it would be linking statically
16:49 Calinou          nope, not really
16:49 Calinou          it makes it impossible for the user to replace libraries without recompiling
16:49 Calinou          (fun fact: the LGPL forbids this if your application is proprietary)
16:50 exio4            Calinou: if you don't want to link statically and you don't want to use a shell script which does this, what do you actually suggest?
16:50 Calinou          make the binary run when double-clicked, automagically
16:50 Calinou          works very well with Warsow
16:50 Calinou          which has the libraries in a libs/ folder
16:51 exio4            the binary?
16:51 Calinou          yes, binary is in ., libs in ./libs
16:51 Calinou          no need to change env vars
16:51 exio4            you have two ways, compile it such that it uses the environment's libraries and breaks when they aren't available or it's an ABI-incompatible version
16:51 Fixer            looks like big snow storm is heading to me right now
16:52 exio4            or do it like, well, most of the bundles which come with their own bundles and scripts which setup this, they hide the actual binary in ~/bin/whatever and the script which does the "magic" is in ~
16:52 exio4            s/~/./g
16:52 Calinou          that can be done as well, but it's not idiot-proof :)
16:52 exio4            s/own bundles/own libraries
16:52 exio4            Calinou: it is idiot-proof
16:52 Calinou          I can put a README in the bin/ folder then
16:53 Calinou          telling users not to run the binary directly, but to use the provided shell script
16:53 exio4            ...
16:53 exio4            I hope you are joking
16:53 exio4            you're not suggesting much btw
16:54 Calinou          exio4, if they attempt to run it directly, it won't work because LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not set to .
16:54 Calinou          (except if they do so by hand; but who will?)
16:55 exio4            Calinou: well, do you realize having a bare binary (without static linking) which uses the system's libraries is actually much easier to break?
16:55 exio4            Calinou: "I upgraded my system and X doesn't work"
16:55 exio4            Calinou: anymore.
16:55 Megaf            It works!! My minetest fork is portable!
16:56 exio4            Calinou: or "I installed it, and it doesn't work because it gives some weird message about libxyz_wat.so not being available"
16:56 Calinou          exio4, I'm telling you libraries should go in a libs/ folder or something
16:56 Calinou          but it should work without setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH
16:56 Calinou          which is possible.
16:56 exio4            Calinou: tell me how
16:56 Calinou          I don't know
16:57 exio4            Calinou: enlight me please
16:57 Megaf            Calinou, the user doesnt set it, it is set only for minetest
16:57 Calinou          yes, using a shell script
16:57 exio4            which is perfectly normal
16:57 Calinou          it is not idiot-proof because some people will attempt to run the binary directly
16:57 exio4            really?
16:57 Calinou          it happened with Sauerbraten, it will happen with your program
16:57 Megaf            Calinou, even firefox does that, there is the firefox thing, that is just a script that will call firefox-bin
16:58 exio4            Calinou: I am still waiting for the way to solve this btw
16:58 Calinou          I'll use your method then… we'll see
16:58 exio4            Calinou: unless your suggestion is to replace those calls with dlopen calls in main
16:58 exio4            Calinou: which is, BTW, a pain in the ass to work with it
16:58 exio4            s/it$//
16:58 RealBadAngel     why not take all the libs needed and compile it together?
16:58 exio4            iow, static linking?
16:58 RealBadAngel     so no deps
16:58 RealBadAngel     that way you will get fully portable one
16:58 Calinou          is static linking easy?
16:59 exio4            because it's also not a good idea, the user won't be able to update libraries
16:59 exio4            Calinou: yes and no >:D
16:59 RealBadAngel     merge sources into codebase
16:59 exio4            Calinou: are you still using Go? have you tried writing a generic tree data structure while you are at it?
16:59 Calinou          nope, why should I?
17:00 Calinou          I used Go just for the benchmark :P
17:00 exio4            oh alright
17:00 exio4            Calinou: because it's impossible in Go
17:00 exio4            Calinou: Go -- the language that would have been amazing in 1960
17:02 RealBadAngel     using checked and known to be working libs has an advantage too
17:02 RealBadAngel     you know that they will work
17:02 RealBadAngel     newer versions (or in fact any other version than the one you have tested) can not work at all
17:03 Megaf            libirrlicht is huse
17:03 Megaf            huge*
17:03 Megaf            6.1 MB
17:03 RealBadAngel     so what?
17:03 Megaf            I wonder if I can make it smaller
17:04 RealBadAngel     it can be stripped
17:04 RealBadAngel     stx is using own irrlicht
17:04 RealBadAngel     propably BAW too
17:05 RealBadAngel     nerzhul have merged 1.8+ irrlicht into epixel
17:06 RealBadAngel     thats not hard at all
17:06 Megaf            $ ls libs/
17:06 Megaf            libcurl.so.4        libjsoncpp.so.0     libopenal.so.1
17:06 Megaf            libIrrlicht.so.1.8  libluajit-5.1.so.2
17:06 rubenwardy       Build a world uses a modified version of Irrlicht, yes.
17:06 Megaf            that's all libs needed to run my fork on Debian 8.2 XFCE LiveCD
17:06 RealBadAngel     stx too
17:07 RealBadAngel     im going to add irrlicht modified renderers to mt soon
17:07 RealBadAngel     so it could be a good reason to fork irrlicht
17:07 Megaf            RealBadAngel, I wonder, why don't we just get the pieces of code we need from irrlicht instead of forking it?
17:08 RealBadAngel     we are doing so already
17:08 Megaf            and some bugs we have come from Irrlicht anyway
17:08 RealBadAngel     some pieces of irrlicht aviable after 1.7 are merged into our codebase
17:08 Megaf            cool
17:08 RealBadAngel     because we allow using old versions
17:08 Megaf            later I'm going to need help to merge all the new goodness back to my fork
17:08 RealBadAngel     instead of getting newer one, once for all
17:10 RealBadAngel     we are using such way with lua and luajit
17:10 RealBadAngel     get our irr, and if system one is too old, use ours
17:10 RealBadAngel     in the long run, drop system one at all
17:11 RealBadAngel     faster for us to fix things in merged engine than wait for distros to spread fix in libs
17:11 Obani            RealBadAngel, did you try out valleys mapgen ? :D
17:12 RealBadAngel     Obani, having 7th mapgen for 0 terrain? cool
17:12 RealBadAngel     im hoping that after we get 20th there will be at least one for underground for example
17:13 RealBadAngel     atm creating mapgens one by one is just pointless and looks like childs play in the craddle
17:14 Obani            RealBadAngel, valleys is really good
17:14 Obani            And really light
17:14 RealBadAngel     layer the worlds, connect servers, allow players to play on those mapgens without need to creating the world from scratch all over
17:15 RealBadAngel     after that you can make new ones
17:15 RealBadAngel     atm its reinventing the wheel all the time
17:17 RealBadAngel     for example, ive played single player mc world, with shitload of mods and the one that allowed making new world with descriptive books
17:17 RealBadAngel     kinda setting params for mapgen
17:17 RealBadAngel     ive played that world for over 1 yr
17:17 RealBadAngel     alone
17:17 RealBadAngel     try to do do that in mt
17:19 RealBadAngel     each few weeks you get new mapgen so you have to drop everything to play in this new one
17:22 xenkey           RealBadAngel: MystCraft right
17:22 RealBadAngel     yeah
17:22 RealBadAngel     and it works in multiplayer
17:23 RealBadAngel     so those world are aviable for everybody
17:42 Calinou          Megaf, try upx on binaries
17:42 Calinou          not sure if it works on .so files
17:50 Megaf            Calinou, what do you mean by upx?
17:50 Calinou          it's an executable packer
17:50 Calinou          http://upx.sourceforge.net/
17:51 Megaf            Calinou, I'm pretty happy with the way it is now
17:51 Calinou          it greatly reduces executable file size
17:51 Calinou          often by 2× or 3×
17:52 Megaf            Calinou, my fork is already MUCH smaller then Minetest
17:52 Megaf            my fork + libs = 1/3 of the size of Minetest
17:52 Calinou          when building with Ubuntu 12.04, I get undefined references towards LevelDB. Does this mean the LevelDB in repositories is too old?
17:52 Megaf            18 MB the full fork directory
17:52 Megaf            with game
17:53 haricot          hi users, need some help for what could seem to be a small issue
17:54 haricot          Basically, I have uninstalled a few mods
17:54 haricot          but
17:54 haricot          I am getting an error among the lines of 'THe following mods could not be found: ....."
17:54 haricot          the mods that are being referenced in my game are uninstalled
17:55 haricot          is there a way to stop minetest looking for those mods?
17:55 haricot          they don't exist, so I am not sure why the game is looking for them.
17:55 haricot          thanks for you help
17:56 Calinou          will build without LevelDB support for now
18:00 haricot          nevermind, solved!
18:16 void7            test-dev
18:23 Fixer            https://i.imgur.com/GzZIjT2.png ^^
18:24 Fixer            that is very nice seed for valleys, three lights at mountains tops are very far away (heights are ~120, ~140, ~205)
18:27 Fixer            distance to tops: 250, 280, 440 nodes
18:27 Obani            Fixer, all seeds are good for valley mapgen :D
18:27 Fixer            yes
18:39 Fixer            need to limit my fps
18:39 Fixer            cause it goes up to 1000
18:39 Fixer            on mountain tops
18:40 Fixer            and repeated snow sound is heared lots of time when >300 fos
18:40 Fixer            fps*
18:41 sofar            your display can do... 100fps?
18:41 sofar            so, limit it to 100
18:42 sofar            my display does 60Hz, so my limit is that
18:44 Fixer            just testing 3d performance
18:44 Fixer            also, when down near forests with 120 nodes view it stutters like batshit crazy
18:44 Fixer            or even horse-shit-crazy
18:44 Fixer            i have no other words
18:47 Fixer            you just want to walk and walk and walk looking at terrain
18:47 Fixer            and all those forests
18:47 Fixer            and biomes
18:53 Fixer            dat Operation Flashpoint feeling with all taht nice terrain
19:01 Fixer            forests are so neat now
19:06 lemon            Anybody want to play spleef?
19:10 kaadmy           spleef? is that the lava-melting-snow game?
19:11 lemon            kaadmy, yes
19:12 Skyduskguy       Megaf player name not allowed RIP
19:12 lemon            kaadmy, join us at slemonide.ddns.net if you want to try
19:12 Skyduskguy       also passwords
19:12 Skyduskguy       wtf
19:13 Skyduskguy       coming in asking why people arent playing a locked server lol
19:14 kaadmy           lemon: incoming ;)
19:16 Skyduskguy       hmm
19:16 Skyduskguy       why hasnt running been added yet?
19:22 Calinou          Megaf, I get an ELF error when running the built binary (Ubuntu 12.04) under Fedora 23… and it changes every time… :'(
19:24 Megaf            Skyduskguy, ?
19:24 Megaf            Calinou,
19:24 Megaf            pvt
19:25 Skyduskguy       I got in the server
19:29 kaadmy           lemon: spleef's fun ;)
19:29 kaadmy           especially sabotaging the other players
19:30 Skyduskguy       Megaf couldnt do anything on server rip
19:31 * Fixer          reads fattest betanews trolls right now
19:37 Megaf            Skyduskguy, what server? what are you talking about?
19:37 Skyduskguy       the one you posted
19:39 Skyduskguy       mt.megaf
19:41 Megaf            Skyduskguy, can you try again please? I'm online now
19:41 Megaf            !server Megaf
19:41 MinetestBot      Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 2/11, 1/6 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 9ms
19:47 sfan5            !mod worldedit
19:47 MinetestBot      sfan5: WorldEdit [worldedit] by sfan5 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=572
19:47 sfan5            o/ Krock
19:47 Krock            O/ sfan5
19:47 Krock            The redirect worked fine but it had to be dome somewhen
19:47 Krock            *done
19:48 MyTeke_ChrisWMas hi Krock.
19:48 Krock            hello
19:55 lemon            kaadmy, I think I am going to also install this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=13209
19:56 sfan5            !title
19:56 MinetestBot      sfan5: [Mod]myboardgames[myboardgames] - Minetest Forums
20:37 Skyduskguy       im looking around at water, woundering howto make water not seem like pudding
20:37 Skyduskguy       specifically the speed at whitch a player sinks into it
20:37 lemon            add sounds?
20:38 kaadmy           in the minetest.conf for the subgame, change or add the setting "liquid_fluidity" to something higher than what it was
20:45 Thomas-S         bye
20:48 lemon            well, IRL people don't sink right away
20:52 Skyduskguy       where can i find the default for minetest game
20:52 Skyduskguy       my conf is just blank
20:54 Skyduskguy       doesnt seem to be changing anything
20:54 Skyduskguy       liquid_fluidity = 1 -> liquid_fluidity = 100 doesnt seem to be any different
20:56 kaadmy           hmm
20:56 Skyduskguy       od i need to change the name of the file from game.conf?
20:57 kaadmy           needs to be in minetest.conf :|
20:57 kaadmy           with the other subgame settings
20:57 Skyduskguy       http://i.imgur.com/V3bv6J1.png
20:57 kaadmy           yep
20:58 kaadmy           ah, movement_liquid_fluidity is correct. my bad
20:58 kaadmy           and movement_liquid_sink
20:58 Skyduskguy       now minetest game is gone
20:59 kaadmy           uh
21:00 Skyduskguy       changing the name to minetest.cong removes the option to play that subgame http://i.imgur.com/7BsvjQz.png
21:00 Skyduskguy       conf**
21:00 kaadmy           keep it game.conf
21:00 kaadmy           but add a file called minetest.conf and put the settings there
21:00 void7            game.conf stores the game name
21:01 kaadmy           i forgot minetest_game has no minetest.conf, the settings are all default
21:02 Skyduskguy       what is the default?
21:02 Skyduskguy       i cant find any doc on it
21:03 Skyduskguy       100 seems to change it
21:04 Skyduskguy       until i am submerged
21:04 Skyduskguy       then it seems default
21:06 Skyduskguy       raising the number makes me sink faster and lower but eventually ill just sink as slow
21:08 Skyduskguy       changing nodes viscosity doesnt seem to affect vertical movment at all
21:09 Skyduskguy       yeah this movement liquid fluidity seems broken
21:09 Skyduskguy       I can jump into some water with it at 10000, fall fast through the water till 3-4 blocks down then i start falling slowly
21:09 Skyduskguy       but if i swim around even near the surface ill just sink slowly
21:13 Skyduskguy       it seems like this movement setting was meant to emulate buoyancy but does so poorly
21:13 Skyduskguy       or something I mean if its viscocity it should be consistant and not change depending on my depth
21:14 Skyduskguy       or if it did not change and remain the same
21:17 Skyduskguy       Sad day
21:45 kaeza            o/
21:45 * lemon          combined world_edit, command_block and fireworks
21:46 lemon            The result sounded very loud.
21:47 luizrpgluiz      hi
21:48 Skyduskguy       eww the movement_acceleration settings are also the decceleration
21:52 lemon            makes sense
21:53 Skyduskguy       no it doesnt
21:53 Skyduskguy       a player isnt a cart with wheels
21:54 lemon            deceleration is an acceleration in the negative direction
22:00 red-001          wow tuxcart looks a lot better after they started using there own version of irrlicht
22:02 Calinou          it's SuperTuxKart, TuxCart is the base to it, but it's extremely old and ugly :P
22:03 * red-001        is lazy and 'super' is one more word
22:03 red-001          is it possible to download tuxcart?
22:03 Calinou          http://tuxkart.sourceforge.net/downloads.html
22:03 Calinou          WOTY
22:04 red-001          thanks
22:04 Calinou          (Website Of The Year)
22:04 sofar            red-001: did you see https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/pull/789 ?
22:05 red-001          yes
22:05 red-001          It looks good
22:06 red-001          I think you should give the doors better names the 'a' and 'b'
22:06 red-001          but it doesn't matter much
22:06 sofar            it can't be open or closed
22:06 sofar            so, anything arbitrary is fine
22:07 red-001          'left' 'right'?
22:07 sofar            they're not
22:07 sofar            that's the problem
22:08 sofar            a left hinge door can be both _a and _b depending on open state
22:08 red-001          ohh
22:08 red-001          I see
22:15 Fritigern        !server minetestcraft
22:15 MinetestBot      Fritigern: MineTestCraft | 67.170.30.149 | Clients: 0/20, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetestcraft | Ping: 178ms
22:15 Fritigern        YAY, we're back!
22:16 Skyduskguy       its not lemon
22:16 Krock            almost 200ms ping
22:23 Fritigern        Krock: My router is a POS, nothing I can do about that unless I suddenly somehow find a large sum of money
22:23 Krock            Buy the money ^^
22:24 red-001          POS?
22:24 kaeza            Point of Sale
22:24 * Fritigern      starts selling powdered H2O... Just add water.
22:24 kaeza            :D
22:24 Krock            But eh, the world finally needs a free and a ~fast wireless network
22:24 red-001          how is that related to routers
22:24 Fritigern        Piece Of.... Soup
22:25 red-001          Port of spain
22:26 Krock            but your powered H2O idea sounds good
22:26 Krock            *powdered
22:26 red-001          yeah
22:27 red-001          but would any powder thats safe to drink be more expensive the water?
22:27 Fritigern        On second thought... I don't want a lawsuit for dihydrogen monoxide poisoning
22:29 * Fixer          slaps everyone with a water bug
22:30 * red-001        dodges
22:30 * Fritigern      bisects the bug
22:30 * Fixer          downloads some fonts that Calinou mentioned
22:30 * Fritigern      is curoious about the fonts and has a few of his own faves
22:30 * red-001        runs init 0 before it's too late
22:33 * Fritigern      likes this fre-for-personal-use font pack http://www.1001freefonts.com/pixel.font
22:34 * red-001        thinks more pixels.......
22:34 * kaadmy         likes this one
22:34 kaadmy           ^ Coders Crux is very simple and fits Minetest
22:34 * red-001        wonders why we only use /me
22:35 * kaadmy         too
22:36 Fritigern        Oooh! Coders Crux is "you are welcome to use it for any purpose free of charge, including commercial use"
22:36 kaadmy           yeah
22:36 kaadmy           i was going to package it with Pixture, but the fonts are client-side only ;)
22:36 kaadmy           ;'(*
22:36 * red-001        checks is he on http://euphoria.io
22:36 * red-001        isn't
22:37 kaadmy           what's http://euphoria.io?
22:37 red-001          it's something like a IRC
22:37 red-001          it's open source
22:38 red-001          https://euphoria.io/about
22:38 red-001          https://github.com/euphoria-io/heim
22:43 Krock            Oh yeah. Re-invent the wheel
22:44 Krock            Looks more like reddit and IRC mixed together
22:45 red-001          more IRC then reddit
22:46 red-001          IRC with trends
22:47 dzho             yeah, if I'm going to mess with something in that space, it would probably be http://matrix.org
22:51 Fritigern        I feel that we should revive usenet groups as a way to be a community!
22:51 dzho             uucp via bluetooth
22:51 Fritigern        I would set up alt.games.minetest
22:54 * Fritigern      has run his own NNTP server in the past.
22:55 red-001          is there a fast way to delete large amounts of data on windows?
22:55 BrandonReese     format C:
22:55 BrandonReese     jk don't do that
22:55 red-001          I don't think you even can
22:56 * red-001        knows windows XP crashs very fast after losing C
22:56 kaeza            better [not to] try
22:57 red-001          well deleting 9gb should happen offten
22:57 red-001          shouldn't
22:58 Fixer            "after losing C" ?
22:58 Megaf            !server Megaf
22:58 MinetestBot      Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/11, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 8ms
22:58 Megaf            Skyduskguy, ^
22:58 Fixer            !server Just Test
22:58 MinetestBot      Fixer: just test | 87.110.8.195 | Clients: 10/78, 8/13 | Version: 0.4.12-dev / minetest | Ping: 37ms
22:58 Fixer            nice ping
22:59 Fritigern        !server Minetestcraft
22:59 MinetestBot      Fritigern: MineTestCraft | 67.170.30.149 | Clients: 0/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetestcraft | Ping: 193ms
22:59 red-001          Fixer head crash
22:59 red-001          windows doesn't run well without a drive
23:00 red-001          maybe if I had no swap file...
23:03 sfan5            !server players:most
23:03 MinetestBot      sfan5: Survival server No. 521 | fivetwoone.ddns.net:30001 | Clients: 24/60, 16/24 | Version: 0.4.13 / minetest | Ping: 152ms
23:05 Megaf            Skyduskguy, what were you doing when the server crashed?
23:06 Megaf            and about number of players, the gold recipe is, dont protect anything, allow empty password and grant interact on join (default priv)
23:06 Megaf            doesnt matter if the server is good or not
23:07 Megaf            every single test server I put online with that recipe, specially if in creative mode will have lots of people playing
23:13 Guest88613       hi :D
23:13 kaadmy           hi
23:15 red-001          hi
23:21 Fixer            o_O
23:21 Fixer            O_o
23:21 Fixer            -11667 and going
23:22 Fixer            landscapes are awesome so far
23:23 Megaf            so yeah, 4 years of minetest servers I have,
23:23 Megaf            and four years of this
23:23 Megaf            [730709.159806] Out of memory: OOM killed process 1710 (minetestserver) score 0 vm:1360700kB, rss:901000kB, swap:212764kB
23:23 Megaf            bloody memory leaks
23:23 Megaf            why dont you fix them
23:24 Fixer            Megaf, uptime?
23:25 Megaf            Fixer, of what?
23:25 Fixer            Megaf, minetestserver
23:25 Megaf            about 30 hours I think
23:26 Fixer            Megaf, o.O maybe it is some mod eating the RAM
23:26 * Fixer          waits for glorious snow storm that will be bring a lot of fun and pain
23:27 Megaf            Oo
23:27 Megaf            no snow here, sadly
23:27 Fixer            red-001, try to fix not only spreading but whole thing, so it will flow as intended :}
23:27 * Fritigern      has taken MegaF's advice and made the server a free-for-all. Bracing for disaster....
23:28 red-001          fixer I don't know a lot of C++
23:28 Fixer            :(
23:29 red-001          and it looks like a hard problem
23:29 Megaf            901 MB of memory use, that's just not real
23:29 xyz              hi; so the minetest.ru server that hosts IRC logs might be getting disposed of soon-ish and so I wondered if somebody here wanted to take over the logs? (I've talked to c55 but he's not interested)
23:30 Fixer            Megaf, o.O
23:30 Megaf            1.3 GB of all memory, RAM + Swap
23:30 red-001          xyz what?
23:30 Fixer            Megaf, ._. early 0.2 versions used to run on 192MB machine
23:30 red-001          so no more IRC logs?
23:31 Fixer            Megaf, 1.3GB is too smal
23:31 Fixer            l
23:31 xyz              well I'm sure somebody will take over it, don't worry
23:31 Fixer            xyz, you should probably ask on #minetest-dev
23:32 red-001          Megaf I get the same in singleplayer if I go in one direction
23:32 xyz              I was hoping it'd be ShadowNinja or sfan5 or somebody else I know
23:32 Megaf            Fixer, not too long ago, less than two years, I ran a Minetest server on my Raspberry Pi with 256 MB of ram
23:32 xyz              eh don't worry I'll just highlight them until they notice me
23:32 sfan5            hi
23:32 Megaf            but it was a custom subgame
23:33 Fixer            hi sfan5
23:33 * Fixer          slaps Krock with 150112 date format that drives me crazy for some unknown reason
23:34 Megaf            Fixer, what's wrong with 15th of Jan, 2012?
23:34 Fixer            anyone got _latest compiled git_, did it solve your weild mesh problem?
23:34 Fixer            Megaf, it is 2015 01 12
23:34 Fixer            %)
23:35 Megaf            Fixer, That's just plain stupid
23:35 Megaf            :P
23:36 Fixer            Megaf, also, just walking in BIG forest area UPS memory usage up to 2GB
23:36 Megaf            Uninterrupted Power Supply?
23:36 Megaf            how to you plan on an UPS?
23:36 sfan5            xyz: i guess i could host the logs and the logging bot
23:37 sfan5            i don't like that ilbot requires an sql server though
23:37 Fixer            Megaf, about weild mesh bug, try compiling latest git, there was some change to mesh rendering
23:37 Megaf            RealBadAngel, ^
23:38 xyz              OK, tell me when it's ready and I'll hand over the dump to you and shut my instance of the bot down. also tell me what IP to point irc.minetest.ru to
23:38 Megaf            <Fixer> anyone got _latest compiled git_, did it solve your weild mesh problem?
23:38 Megaf            RealBadAngel, ^
23:38 Fixer            Megaf, RBA made those changes, he has no this bug by default
23:38 Fixer            and i have it
23:39 Fixer            and horrible texture tear bug that turn a lot of stuff on scene to shit
23:39 RealBadAngel     i said it could be the reason for it, but im not sure bout it
23:39 RealBadAngel     thats why i asked for some1 to check it out
23:39 red-001          xyz just wondering how much data did your bot collect?
23:39 red-001          10GB?
23:40 Fixer            nuh
23:40 Fixer            Megaf, if you are on linux, try compiling latest git
23:41 Megaf            Fixer, I'm not affected by the bug
23:42 xyz              the SQL dump is 210 megabytes
23:42 Fixer            Megaf, crap :(
23:42 Fixer            it is like i'm attracting all crappy bugs
23:43 Megaf            Fixer, wait, you have that bug on the lastest master?
23:43 Megaf            what OpenGL version your Minetest displays? What GPU you have?
23:43 red-001          thats smaller then I thought
23:43 Megaf            Open Source driver or proprietary?
23:43 Fixer            Megaf, near latest, OGL 4.5 Win7 ATI Radeon HD6870
23:43 xyz              it's just text come on
23:44 red-001          yeah I guess
23:44 Megaf            Fixer, just edit your minetest.conf and changed video_driver = OpenGL to DirectX8 or something
23:44 Fixer            Megaf, I'm on version where valleys were pushed
23:44 Megaf            Fixer, Windows is all buggy with Minetest OpenGL
23:44 xyz              well.. that's probably more than the text of War and Peace still
23:44 Fixer            Megaf, yes, D3d9 fixes the problem, but introduces invisible icon bugs %)
23:44 Fixer            so i'm fucked
23:45 Megaf            Fixer, Windows is a bug...
23:45 Fixer            from all sides
23:47 Fixer            Megaf, other OGL games are fine, I don't remember any problems with things as old as GLQuake
23:49 xyz              so I've been absent for a while, has anybody tried to port minetest to webgl/asm.js? would be cool to run it in a browser I guess
23:50 Megaf            xyz, we have too much problems already
23:55 swift110         hey all
23:56 sofar            xyz: ignore megaf, he only cares about his own bugs :)
23:58 Megaf            I don't have many bugs on Minetest actually, just memory leaks :P
23:58 Fixer            xyz, that is hipster stuff, fix my bugs instead :[
23:58 Fixer            :}
23:58 xyz              I don't know how to code D:
23:58 Fixer            crap :(
23:58 Fixer            also, that valleys mapgen has neat canyons