Time Nick Message 00:02 leon_ eMiner 00:35 Fixer moving in chests SUCK 02:31 blert2112_ Why, when I modify an item's inventory tooltip (L2248 guiFormSpecMenu.cpp), does the item turn into an "unknown"? 02:48 blert2112_ nevermind, it is magically working now, weird 07:04 LinuxGuy2020 Hello I was wondering if there is some common way to get minetest to work with my NAS. I just built a mini itx server with NAS4Free operating system and it has the common network shares, ftp, nfs, etc built in. I'm not sure if there is a way to get the world to be saved on the server or not. I have the option to create a virtualbox machine within NAS4Free but it would be slow on the Atom CPU. Any ideas? 07:05 sofar you can store the world folder on any location 07:06 LinuxGuy2020 sofar: Ok so I need more specifics on setup if possible. 07:06 LinuxGuy2020 hehe 07:06 sofar http://wiki.minetest.net/Setting_up_a_server 07:06 sofar also, minetestserver --help is useful 07:06 sofar You are a 20/20 linux guy... you know how to read manuals 07:07 sofar ;^) 07:07 LinuxGuy2020 sofar: One problem though NAS4Free is BSD based. Not Linux. 07:08 sofar well I was assuming you wanted to run the server on a linux machine with the world stored on the NAS 07:08 LinuxGuy2020 sofar: Yeah....ok.....maybe I needed to read a bit more detail. 07:08 sofar but I believe the server can be run on BSD too 07:09 sofar FreeBSD official packages have their own pre-built packages: pkg install minetest minetest_game 07:09 sofar http://www.minetest.net/downloads/ 07:14 LinuxGuy2020 Hmmm maybe Ill just install a Linux virtual machine and try it. Ill try Linux Mint mate edition. That dont work Ill mayeb think about doing that native install. 07:14 LinuxGuy2020 Thanks 07:17 Hirato use KDE <3 07:17 sofar you should care less if he tried hello kitty linux 07:18 sofar LinuxGuy2020: the atom server should be able to run a minetestserver... try downloading the bsd version and give it a go? 07:18 Hirato http://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/About.html this is obviously the best one 07:19 LinuxGuy2020 sofar: Yeah but I have no clue how easy/hard it would be to setup with the web GUI. Ive not messed with BSD much at all. 07:20 sofar LinuxGuy2020: probably not possible, or not worth your time if you're not familiar with the BSD console 07:20 sofar I certainly think that trying in a VM with linux would be a good first step for you to understand 07:20 LinuxGuy2020 right thats why I might try the linux virtual machine since Vbox is built in. 07:21 LinuxGuy2020 Maybe Ill try linux mint mate. Same version I run on my desktop and laptop. Has the server in the repos. 07:22 sofar why not try it on your laptop first? 07:22 sofar ... if you already have a linux box... why setup a vm for a test? 07:24 LinuxGuy2020 sofar: I already know hwo to setup the server on linux thats easy as pie. 07:25 LinuxGuy2020 My NAS box is on all the time so the virtual machine with minetest server will also be on all the time. 10:29 Blekpug How much cheating do you think it is to use /home ? 10:30 Obani Blekpug, you can add a timer to /home 10:30 Obani To forbid using it everytime 10:30 Blekpug Good to know. 10:31 SaKeL why is using /home a cheating ? 10:32 Obani SaKeL, in PvP, it is 10:33 SaKeL because they player can run to save house ? 10:33 SaKeL because the player can run to save house ? 10:34 Obani Yes 10:34 Obani Or for example, someoe attacking their house 10:34 Obani THey can come back as they want to kill them 10:34 SaKeL ah ok... thanks for the explanation ;) 10:46 Krock Respawning after being killed is cheating too!! 10:46 Obani Krock, yes ! 10:46 Obani IN real life you don't respawn ! 10:47 Krock Obani, the hindus do. 10:47 Obani Well I don't know if they have conscience of that 10:47 Krock Don't know either 11:26 Obani Guys, I thought you would like to know about this https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pipsqueake.squeakecraft 11:27 Obani Also, there is a version you can buy https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pipsqueake.squeakecraftplus 11:42 Blekpug Does only tall grass yield seed? 11:43 Blekpug or also short? 11:43 Obani Every grasses I think 11:44 Obani RealBadAngel, sfan5, ShadowNinja, did you know about squeake craft ? 11:45 SaKeL http://wiki.minetest.net/Grass ;) 12:15 SaKeL hi guys, someone know what kind of license have these skins ? http://minecraft.novaskin.me/gallery 12:16 SaKeL like if it's open source or not.. i have no idea how the licensing works :/ 12:22 Calinou SaKeL, if there's no license, it's proprietary 12:22 Calinou note that any skin based on the reference Minecraft "Steve" is de facto proprietary 12:23 SaKeL ok... :/ so i can't use any of those skins.. ? 12:24 SaKeL (legally) 12:25 Calinou SaKeL, probably not 12:26 SaKeL ok thanks 12:49 SaKeL Calinou i think i use them anyway :D 12:49 SaKeL http://www.planetminecraft.com/blog/skin-stealing-whats-wrong-with-it/ 12:56 Calinou it's not stealing, and there's nothing wrong with it 12:56 Calinou what's wrong is people not putting any license on their skins 12:57 Calinou I believe everything should have a license 13:00 SaKeL yes i agree... spending a life time now googeling if i can use them legally 13:00 Calinou just make your own 13:00 Calinou or take them from the Minetest skin db 13:00 Calinou http://minetest.fensta.bplaced.net/ 13:01 SaKeL yeah i miss some from fensta 13:01 SaKeL thats why i was looking somewhere else 13:02 SaKeL find out licence for the wallpapers section on their websit 13:02 SaKeL http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ 13:02 SaKeL should be fine 13:03 yunfan Calinou: do you know why the chest response so slow even i am playing on local server 13:03 Calinou yunfan, use latest Minetest Git 13:03 Calinou it seems to have prediction now, you can also shift-click 13:03 Calinou SaKeL, CC BY-NC-SA is not fine :( 13:03 Calinou http://freedomdefined.org/Licenses/NC 13:03 yunfan Calinou: so not the udp or syncing to filesystem problem? 13:04 Calinou it has nothing to do with UDP or file system syncing 13:04 FreeFull Calinou: What about CC0? 13:04 Calinou that one is fine 13:05 Calinou I encourage everyone to use CC0 for simple stuff like skins and configuration files :P 13:06 gravgun CC0 for very little and random things, MIT for general purpose reusable code, LGPL for specific-purpose libraries, GPL for whole projects 13:06 yunfan Calinou: then why it laaags , i am very curious 13:07 Calinou yunfan, which Minetest version are you using? 13:07 yunfan Calinou: hold on 13:07 FreeFull I tend to license my code under MIT 13:07 yunfan Build info: VER=0.4.13-dev BUILD_TYPE=None RUN_IN_PLACE=0 USE_GETTEXT=1 USE_SOUND=1 USE_CURL=1 USE_FREETYPE=1 USE_LUAJIT=1 STATIC_SHAREDIR="/usr/share/minetest" cc Calinou 13:08 yunfan i was playing stampy_game, which is the most likely minecraft clone i have played 13:08 Calinou FreeFull, that's fine too 13:09 Calinou CC0 is not OSI-approved :( 13:09 Calinou it explicitly denies patent rights 13:09 gravgun dafuq? 13:10 Calinou did you hear, gravgun? France wants to ban libre accounting/POS software 13:10 Calinou because it's modifiable 13:10 Calinou to "prevent VAT fraud" 13:10 gravgun Yea I saw that 13:10 SylvieLorxu AGPL for everything :D 13:10 gravgun I read multiple articles about it 13:10 gravgun Fucking capitalists 13:11 SylvieLorxu It's a good thing proprietary software can't cause fraud 13:11 SylvieLorxu *cough* Volkswagen *cough* 13:11 gravgun Of *cough* course 13:12 yunfan Calinou: what do you think cause the lag? 13:13 gravgun SylvieLorxu, b-but it's *cough* certified software *cough* 13:15 gravgun Calinou: now what would prevent me from creating my own accounting software if I need one? 13:15 gravgun It's the same as paper and pencil 13:15 gravgun but on a computer 13:15 gravgun computer you told how to compute things for you 13:16 gravgun This shit law is fundamentally broken 13:16 gravgun much like all its sibling law projects 13:17 gravgun It's clearly the result of POS software lobbying, targeting free software because it "potentially takes shares away from them" using the unsolvable VAT fraud issue 13:18 gravgun Thing is, when a mathematically unsolvable issue arise 13:18 gravgun a rational person would try to change what causes this issue, that is, ascending things in the effect/causation tree it draws 13:18 gravgun idiots would fuitlessly try to fix it from below 13:19 gravgun I'll let you all picture what politicians are then. 13:27 yunfan Calinou: i just downloaded the sourcecode from github and build a client, and still the chest responsed laaaaag 13:29 Calinou I have no issues on rubenwardy's CTF server, strange 13:31 yunfan then it might be my own server's problem? 13:31 Calinou it's probably due to client not predicting chest stuff 13:36 yunfan but even that, how can it take seconds to wait the local server's response? 13:46 Wayward_One Sounds like https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2145 13:48 yunfan but when interact with other nodes, it didnt responsed lag, for eg, pick up drop items 13:49 Wayward_One Hmm 13:53 yunfan https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2544 looks like this has the some problem 14:19 jomat Uh, the force field destroys liquid source blocks :-( 14:41 yunfan also i havent saw shift-click works 15:03 Fixer it works in 0.4.13 with chests and other 15:04 yunfan but i am playing 0.4.13 15:04 yunfan and i use shift-click, it dont have any effect 15:06 Fixer open chest -> shift click on an item in chest -> ??? -> profit! 15:07 yunfan nope , i mean crafting 15:08 yunfan ok, shift-click works 15:08 yunfan but it doesnt work when crafting 15:08 est31 shift click has to be enabled by the mod 15:08 est31 crafting mod and chest mod 15:08 est31 but crafting output doesnt work with shift click 15:09 est31 thats not implemented (yet) 15:09 yunfan est31: also the delay problem still exists after you merge the code, and i have check that the code has been merged 15:09 est31 ? 15:09 est31 code? which code? 15:10 yunfan est31: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/2544 this issue's 15:17 nolsen How fast of an upload speed is best for minetest? 15:17 nolsen minetest server* 15:21 nolsen Will 4Mbps do? 15:21 est31 yeah 15:22 nolsen For 10 people? 15:22 nolsen or more? 15:22 est31 I think so yes 15:22 yunfan can people configure using TCP ? 15:22 est31 no 15:23 yunfan the chest lag issue bored me 15:26 Krock nolsen, hosted mine with almost 1 MBit/s 15:27 Krock playable with less than 10 players 15:30 Calinou TCP is not made for real-time games, period 15:30 Calinou there are subgames that can't afford occasional lag of several seconds 15:39 est31 we use udp and still get that lag lol 15:39 est31 but at least its our fault not TCP's 15:42 yunfan i knew tcp is not for real time games, but if i just play in single player 15:44 yunfan that #2544 issue still occur at my local server :[ 15:51 yunfan i am interesting if you could use zeromq as the connection provider 16:00 est31 in single player tcp is as good as udp 16:03 yunfan so the problem is there're too many events generated by those customer mods? 16:03 yunfan but i even got lag in minigame 16:34 Count_Pooterman Anyone know if VanessaE plantlife mod pack is obsolete with latest minetest? basically with new features I find standard plant life inadequate for starting out to make beds, etc. Looking for mod to tweak that 16:49 Fixer working with chests and doors suck so much -_- 16:49 Fixer on laggy servers 16:49 Fixer opening doors for N seconds is trivial, NN sec is not uncommon 16:52 Calinou this is why we need client-side Lua :P 16:52 Calinou it would be great if it happened in 2016 16:55 J_ hello 16:57 Fixer Calinou, in 2061 16:57 J_ wat' 16:58 est31 ahh no 16:58 est31 I hoped we'd make it until 2051 16:59 J_ brb 16:59 J_ i have a god-tier username 16:59 Calinou nolsen, a Minetest client requires 0.1 MB/s of upload with default server step 16:59 Calinou so you can host more like ~30 clients on your connection 17:00 J_ cul 17:00 est31 I'd guess some of the bandwidth scales quadratically 17:00 est31 every client's position is sent to every other client 17:02 J_ how to rename 17:02 Fixer Calinou, 100 kbyte/sec for 1 client? jeez. what are you sending? porn? 17:02 Fixer why so much? 17:03 * Fixer >_> PR 3199 17:03 nolsen ... 17:03 Calinou Fixer, bits, not bytes 17:03 nolsen That would take a very long time, Fixer. 17:03 Calinou nolsen, also I advise increasing server step rate 17:03 Calinou dedicated_server_step = 0.05 17:03 Calinou it may reduce perceived lag, and will make movement of other clients appear to be smoother 17:03 Calinou (also mobs) 17:04 Calinou but it'll cost more CPU on your server, and will increase bandwidth requirements 17:04 Calinou https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1825 17:25 J_ test] 18:46 Neomex i want to do minecraft-like game but dont want to do it from scratch 18:46 Neomex is minetest a good choice? 18:46 VanessaE it is, to some degree 18:46 Neomex im not too happy about c++ though 18:47 VanessaE modding is done with Lua 18:47 VanessaE you'd only have to touch the C++ if the engine can't do something that you need done 18:48 Neomex what is the minetest licence? 18:48 VanessaE LGPL 18:48 VanessaE most of the game assets are CC-by-SA 18:50 TheMiner help please: in Linux Mint in ver .13 whi dont my offline worlds show in selection box to load worlds? 18:55 TheMiner help please: in Linux Mint in ver .13 whi dont my offline worlds show in selection box to load worlds? <<<<< 20:50 Pierre_ gid 20:50 Pierre_ my full name doesn't show up 22:05 * Fixer reads CS 4 all 22:06 * Fixer will be ready to improve minetest in this century 22:06 * Fixer .oO(or not)