Time Nick Message 00:05 rubenwardy I banned a user called bodil40, and a user called boldil40 joins. Reason to ban? 00:05 rubenwardy or coincidence 00:08 VanessaE ban evasion 00:08 VanessaE use xban2 in the future 00:08 rubenwardy I do use xban2 00:08 VanessaE strange. it should have caught that. 00:09 rubenwardy I just changed worlds, but I made sure to copy ip* and xban.db 00:09 VanessaE (unless that user's IP address changed at the same time) 00:10 rubenwardy oh 00:10 rubenwardy I forgot to copy world.mt 00:10 VanessaE oops :) 00:10 rubenwardy with all the activated mods 00:10 VanessaE so I repeat.... use xban2 in the future :D 00:11 VanessaE by the way, 00:11 VanessaE do you get errors like this from time to time? 00:11 VanessaE 2015-12-01 19:08:44: WARNING[Server]: [xban] Unable to save database: Write failed 00:11 swift110 hey all 00:13 VanessaE hi swift 00:15 rubenwardy no, VanessaE 00:15 rubenwardy no results from grep -n "Unable to save database: Write failed" .minetest/log*/alldebug.txt 00:16 swift110 how are you VanessaE 00:17 VanessaE Odd. I get those errors frequently.. I can't see a reason for them, either. There's plenty of disk space, plenty of space in /run, permissions and ownership are correct, and the ban database file is only 4.4 MB. 00:17 rubenwardy I use /home/some-username/.minetest to host it 00:17 VanessaE (for the server whose log I got the errors from) 00:17 rubenwardy where some-username is only for MT and the remote_media server 00:18 VanessaE https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-xban2/issues/5 00:18 rubenwardy have you updated since then? 00:19 VanessaE nope 00:19 VanessaE I'll do that now. 00:27 rubenwardy Whats a SqueakCrafter name 00:29 VanessaE idk 01:23 LazyJ rubenwardy, "SqueakCrafter" seems to be the default name of another Minetest app. I've blocked those and the most recent variant to show up in my logs is "Player01"...or 02,03, etc. 01:23 rubenwardy ok 01:23 rubenwardy I've blocked Player* but not SqueakCrafter* 01:24 LazyJ My server isn't tuned for small devices so most of the app users plug-up the line because they time out or don't know how to use their app. 01:25 rubenwardy lol 01:37 rubenwardy LazyJ, most players tend to be on phones/tablets/iPods. Such a shame, but they enjoy it I guess 01:41 LazyJ rubenwardy, Aye. Its one thing if they can enjoy playing the game but too many of them either make pests of themselves or whine that they can't do things (because it doesn't all fit on their small screens). 01:41 rubenwardy yeah 01:41 rubenwardy I agree that for serious servers they're not suited 01:42 rubenwardy Did you see the stats I posted? So many illegal iOS clients 01:43 LazyJ It becomes frustrating for both sides when the grown-ups try to explain that the phone/tablet isn't big enough when the app-kids are led to believe that the small devices can do it all. 01:44 LazyJ No. I hadn't seen the stats. 01:44 LazyJ But, not surprising either. 01:44 LazyJ "Serious" server.... or a server for old farts. ;)- 01:46 rubenwardy I'd like to make a City vs City server 01:47 rubenwardy a long term server where factors make castles and fend off attackers 01:47 rubenwardy but I don't think it would be possible given the current server community 01:48 rubenwardy it's more suitable to an MMO setting, really 01:48 rubenwardy The problem is that players come to minetest for to play Minecraft, not to play other drastically different game modes 01:49 rubenwardy LazyJ, these are the stats: https://twitter.com/rubenwardy/status/671711060093743104 01:49 rubenwardy I'll post again in a few days with more accurate stats (more samples) 01:49 LazyJ Ok, thanks for the link. 01:49 rubenwardy but, additionally only 33% of clients are up-to-date with normal version strings 01:50 LazyJ Perhaps if there were more... defined?? servers. 01:50 VanessaE time to start requiring strict version checking 01:50 rubenwardy if all servers required it, then mobile clients would may update 01:50 VanessaE once 0.4.14 goes out, I'l gonna set that option 01:51 rubenwardy but if just one requires it, then they won't get players 01:51 LazyJ I prefer to build and landscape while others prefer engineering contraptions and the more spirited prefer PvP. 01:51 VanessaE rubenwardy: unless that one happens to be particularly popular. 01:51 VanessaE imagine if 'just test' did that 01:51 rubenwardy lol 01:51 VanessaE or skyblockl 01:51 VanessaE -l 01:52 LazyJ Heh... Suppose the app-kids would be offended if there were a "Minetest Kiddie DayCare Center" for them. ;)- 01:52 VanessaE haha 01:52 rubenwardy just 01:52 rubenwardy so much dating and swearing :( 01:52 LazyJ Mehh... I'm just a cranky curmudgeon. Bah-humbug! 01:53 rubenwardy someone said "You're not an admin, you're a bitch" today 01:53 LazyJ That would be a ban on my server. 01:53 VanessaE LazyJ: that's not for more than three weeks :) 01:53 rubenwardy no respect for their elders, honestly 01:53 rubenwardy I did ban, year 01:53 LazyJ I don't bother with timed-bans anymore. 01:53 rubenwardy temp-ban though, I don't like permban 01:53 rubenwardy * yeah 01:53 LazyJ Most of them never learn. 01:53 VanessaE rubenwardy: was that user by chance named "Dion" or something like that? 01:53 rubenwardy 1 week 01:54 LazyJ I figure there are more MT servers out there for them to go to. 01:54 VanessaE no, strike that. Demi, not Dion. 01:54 rubenwardy katrun 01:54 VanessaE ok 01:54 LazyJ The few that protest the ban, I tell to search for another server, abide by their rules and strive to become a member of good standing in their community. 01:54 rubenwardy no more ctf servers, though 01:55 VanessaE I had a user by the name "Demi" try to pull the same routine with me, just with less-strong language 01:55 rubenwardy [off] rubrnwardy you a ADMIN HERE YOU A BITCH NOT ADMIN 01:55 rubenwardy what I said, just more childish 01:56 rubenwardy that's gonna look weird in the logs, I did an [off] there 01:56 LazyJ I'm hoping this is all just growing pains of Minetest becoming more well known. 01:56 VanessaE don't be afraid to let idiots find their way into the log. :P 01:58 LazyJ I don't know how, but many times I wish I could drive it into their heads that they are allowed to play for free on a server that someone else has to work hard and pay for. 01:58 VanessaE ikr. 01:58 rubenwardy exactly, I agree 01:58 rubenwardy I have so much on my todo 01:58 rubenwardy for the server 01:58 rubenwardy let alone for university work and other projects 01:59 LazyJ My ToDo list is a mountain now. 01:59 VanessaE and I literally just re-upped my server last night, for 6 months 01:59 LazyJ Of course, I might get more things on my list done if I stopped *playing* Minetest. 01:59 VanessaE my TODO is dwindling, and I've been making a point not to add stuff to it :P 01:59 rubenwardy Your servers seem to not have any players on anymore 01:59 rubenwardy shame 01:59 VanessaE I know. 02:00 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/stats-monthly.html 02:00 rubenwardy Just test is hogging 02:00 LazyJ I'm still looking for a different hosting service. 02:00 VanessaE well "just test" isn't even in the public list anymore 02:00 VanessaE Xanadu and Skyblock have been jockeying for the top slot lately. 02:00 rubenwardy monthly is the best view on those stats 02:00 LazyJ Most of the contact I've had with the current "tech support", each agent asks for a photo copy of my signature and photo copies of both sides of my credit card. 02:00 rubenwardy how do you generate them, btw? 02:00 LazyJ Giant. Red. Flag. 02:01 VanessaE rubenwardy: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/Server-scripts 02:01 rubenwardy ah 02:01 rubenwardy all in there? :O 02:01 VanessaE update-statistics.sh is called once a minute 02:01 VanessaE generate-statistics-graphs.sh every 5 02:01 VanessaE watchlogs.sh scrapes the logs for player counts 02:02 VanessaE and calls update-statistics-playercounts.sh 02:02 LazyJ I gave up trying to drive up the quantities of players on my server. I would much rather have "quality" players, as in calm, mature, boring, no fights, boring, civil, boring, grownups. 02:02 VanessaE (continuous loop) 02:02 LazyJ Ok, rant off. 02:02 LazyJ 02:02 VanessaE note to self: clean up that folder. 02:02 rubenwardy With CTF, you need 6+ players at anytime to have fun 02:03 rubenwardy but they need to be good players 02:03 rubenwardy On a slightly unrelated note, having a limited sized map makes hosting easy in terms of resources - Only a limited number of chunks are loaded at any particular time, and I can use mysqlite_synchronous = 0 as it doesn't matter if the map is corrupted. 02:03 rubenwardy A traditional server would be a lot harder, I imagine 02:03 rubenwardy it's good, because lag in PvP is bad 02:04 asl97 rubenwardy: there should be a time limit for holding the flag, there was some player that just doesn't bring the flag back to base 02:04 rubenwardy But yes, I'd rather have 6 good players than 18/20 bad players. 02:04 rubenwardy yeah, that's next on my todo 02:04 rubenwardy writing my essay rn. Well, "multitasking" 02:05 LazyJ Minetest, itself, just doesn't have the reaction time to make battle much fun. Swing, click 1000 times, swing, click 1000 times... repeat. 02:05 rubenwardy It's definitely a problem. Guns at long range makes it better. Shooter is pretty reliable 02:05 rubenwardy not perfect, but works 9/10 times 02:06 rubenwardy and it has great visual feedback 02:06 rubenwardy but yeah, swords etc are flawed 02:06 rubenwardy the whole pointing away and pointing back to hit again 02:06 rubenwardy not having visual feedback of time-outs is bad (ie: min interval before striking or firing) 02:07 rubenwardy or audio 02:07 rubenwardy but yeah. 02:07 VanessaE there, cleaned up. 02:08 rubenwardy I must admit, I nicked your runserver.sh 02:08 VanessaE you're welcome to it 02:08 VanessaE you'll need the misc-functions.sh file also 02:09 VanessaE many of those scripts 'include' that file 02:09 rubenwardy What seems to happen with my server, is that when I restart the server goes down to 3/4 player count. Then after about 20 hours it's up to 14-18, at which point I need to restart the server for updates 02:09 VanessaE runserver.sh has since been superseded by a call to one of the functions in misc-functions.sh though. 02:10 VanessaE for server updates, I usually just rely on some of the code in backup-server.sh 02:10 VanessaE see, I stage everything with an uploader script on my PC, 02:10 VanessaE then when the backup script runs, it calls update-worldmods.sh as well 02:10 rubenwardy oh, you've made new scripts 02:10 VanessaE deploying whatever was staged, while the server is down 02:11 VanessaE yeah, I rewrote several of them a few weeks ago to make everything more scalable 02:11 rubenwardy yeah, I have a folder on my PC that logs in and does common activities such as updating ctf, updating mt, and restarting. 02:11 rubenwardy *folder of scripts on my PC that logs in via ssh 02:12 rubenwardy for example: https://gist.github.com/rubenwardy/a0ca2abd7a25d910f92e 02:12 rubenwardy WTFPL 02:13 rubenwardy I also have a script to optimise all the settings out of lua mods: https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/master/build.sh 02:13 rubenwardy well, ctf.setting(name) settings 02:13 rubenwardy works like #define name value 02:25 rubenwardy RIP Just Test 02:25 thePalindrome I should consider hosting a smallish server sometime 02:25 VanessaE rot in pieces? 02:26 thePalindrome maybe once I get some reasonable progress finished -.- 02:26 rubenwardy lel 02:26 zat hey someone consider making a mod like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YCsn8QaiUzA 02:26 asl97 VanessaE: i notice on your survival server, the public spawn nuclear center no longer has machine 02:26 VanessaE griefed. 02:26 VanessaE and I couldn't restore them 02:27 thePalindrome zat: nop.jpg 02:27 rubenwardy people play it because <####> i think its really fun 02:28 rubenwardy I guess because it's popular 02:28 zat thePalindrome: 77 02:28 rubenwardy I find it funny that the server owner is called "lag" 02:29 rubenwardy zat, I considered, and I decided that I won't 02:30 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Mgv5/v7/flat/fractal: More large pseudorandom caves 13e51ea66 http://git.io/vRfVE (152015-12-02T02:19:52Z) 02:30 MinetestBot 02[git] 04thePalindrome -> 03minetest/minetest: Add on_secondary_use when right clicking an item in the air 1397908cc http://git.io/vRfVu (152015-12-02T02:18:44Z) 02:30 zat rubenwardy: I bet you were too distracted to see the yes that was there 02:39 rubenwardy I wish there was a way to maintain your average players on restart :( 02:39 rubenwardy I think that an hour is too long if it's a shutdown for maintainence, and the average players isn't kept 02:56 VanessaE my G*d worldedit has gotten pitifully slow :( 02:57 VanessaE and my Creative server is an absolute dog now as well 02:59 LazyJ I'm really hoping the lag issues are just a bug in MT 0.4.13. 07:21 kaeza o/ 10:27 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Wednesday, and happy International Day for the Abolition of Slavery! 😃 14:44 Glorfindel is there a way to install both the main minetest and the dev, but have them separate? 14:50 Glorfindel so I can run both at the same time, not keep the worlds and stuff separate 15:01 rubenwardy Glorfindel: don't install 15:01 rubenwardy Linux I guess? 15:01 rubenwardy I'd recommend making them run in place, so it doesn't get the worlds/mods/games from .minetest 15:01 rubenwardy if you want to get the stuff from .minetest 15:01 rubenwardy then you can make it not run in place, but don't run make install 15:02 Glorfindel ok, how would I run in place? 15:02 rubenwardy Do you compile yourself? That is recommended 15:02 Glorfindel not if I can help it lol 15:02 rubenwardy cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 15:02 Glorfindel ah, ok 15:02 rubenwardy cmake . -DRUN_IN_PLACE=1 && make -j2 15:02 rubenwardy to run, double click file in bin 15:02 Glorfindel ty 15:03 rubenwardy almost done my essay XD 15:03 Glorfindel haha gl! 15:03 Glorfindel rubenwardy: btw how did you know what I had asked? you joined after I asked it lol 15:03 Glorfindel watching the log? 15:04 rubenwardy watching the log, yeah 15:04 rubenwardy well, I just happened to check 15:04 rubenwardy like, I hadn't checked for about 2 hours 15:06 robert_ what's the difference between minetest and cuberite? 15:06 rubenwardy !g cuberite 15:06 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://cuberite.org/ 15:07 rubenwardy robert_, that sounds like a fork 15:07 rubenwardy just looking... 15:07 rubenwardy no, it's a separate project 15:07 Glorfindel rubenwardy: immaculate timing! thanks :D 15:07 rubenwardy cuberite appears to only be a game server for minecraft 15:08 robert_ oh, this isn't minecraft at all? 15:08 robert_ just very similar, then? 15:08 Glorfindel yeah, not the same, better 15:08 rubenwardy Minetest isn't Minecraft. It's a game engine to make voxel games - it just happens that most people want voxel games like MC 15:08 Glorfindel starting with free :D 15:08 rubenwardy voxel meaning blocky 15:09 rubenwardy !mod Capture the Flag 15:09 MinetestBot rubenwardy: City v City / Capture the Flag - Team Alloc by rubenwardy - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=6947 15:09 rubenwardy that's a voxel game, but is not MC-like 15:09 rubenwardy but yeah - we don't support connecting to Minecraft protocols as it just wouldn't work write, Minetest has real support for mods 15:10 rubenwardy and MC doesn't 16:17 CWz_ is anuone here 16:19 CWz_ ~hello 16:19 jomat CWz_: Yor IRC client should have a name list to see who's there. If not, try the command /names 16:20 CWz_ freenode is experiencing issues trying to figure out which of the free servers has the services 16:21 CWz_ *freenode 16:21 jomat the services gone right now i think 16:21 jomat at least there was an announcement: 15:46:16│[freenode] -mist(~mrmist@freenode/staff/mist)- [Global-ish notice] Hmm, appears a hub went boom. Services are unavailable whilst we figure out where it went. 17:28 CWz much better 17:30 Krock hi 17:30 JohnnyComeL8ly Hello, Krockpot. 17:30 est31 good evening 17:30 Krock I'm not a teapot. 17:31 CWz freenode seems to be broken almost everyday now 17:31 Krock It's so broken that I can't even notice that it's broken.. 17:31 Krock maybe it's just working fine right now 17:32 JohnnyComeL8ly Krock, there is such thing as a crock pot.... 17:32 Ingar "Krock Monsieur" 17:32 Ingar it's a double toast with cheese and ham 17:33 Krock :< 17:33 Krock Isn't that Kroque or smth liek that? 17:33 Ingar Croque 17:34 Krock yeah. 17:34 Ingar but I'm not french so we pronounce it Krock 17:34 rubenwardy IT BEGINS. 17:34 rubenwardy http://minetest.rubenwardy.com/stats/ 17:34 rubenwardy VanessaE ^ 17:34 Krock Omg noes :< 17:34 est31 O.o 17:34 Krock blue is about to lose 17:35 est31 Do you still randomly get team color? 17:37 rubenwardy it's done on the order of iteration of ctf.players, iirc 17:37 rubenwardy or get_connected_players 17:37 rubenwardy and join time 17:38 CWz rubenwardy, I am confused. 17:38 rubenwardy CWz, on what? 17:38 CWz Pretty sure most of them are just breaking blocks 17:39 CWz it's hard to find minetesters who play the objective nowdays 17:39 rubenwardy I'm online, and I'll kick people that do that 17:40 CWz how much screaming is going on, on that server 17:41 JohnnyComeL8ly Krock, here's a picture: http://scene7.targetimg1.com/is/image/Target/13796517?wid=410&hei=410 17:42 Krock JohnnyComeL8ly, they stole my name idea! 17:43 CWz eh 17:43 rubenwardy CWz, tablet users are the ones that don't play the objective, usually 17:43 CWz Yes, because "building is hard". 17:44 CWz Very annoying to play minetest if you are tableteer 17:53 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Document limitations of minetest.get_password_hash 1389168a7 http://git.io/vRLBl (152015-12-02T18:32:14+01:00) 18:40 Calinou rubenwardy, these are tablet players: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/037.jpg 18:41 Calinou and smartphone users, with their virtual keyboards: http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/013.jpg 18:42 Krock Sorry, but who's that guitar guy? 18:43 Calinou Krock, probably "Slash" who I guess is a singer 18:43 Krock lol.. perfect :D 18:57 Fixer lol 18:58 Teckla Wasn't Slash the guitarist for Guns N Roses? 18:58 Teckla He always wore the funny hat 19:01 * sofar chuckes at just pub 19:02 Krock Teckla, he actually was the one, yeah. 19:19 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou, I liked the first one better. 19:23 JohnnyComeL8ly I like this one http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/015.jpg 19:26 Krock spastic? 19:26 Calinou Calinouje 19:26 Calinou Calinoutic 19:26 Calinou which one? 19:26 Krock "which one", definitely. 19:28 JohnnyComeL8ly Calinou, you could switch it up a bit... Calounitic 19:29 Krock JohnnyComeL8je 19:56 cheapie "Minetest" in Minetest machine (using my new RGB lightstone): https://cheapiesystems.com//media/images/screenshot_20151202_135248.png 19:56 cheapie Sure, it's only 2D, only has 4 node types, is sort of laggy, requires LuaC overheating to be disabled, doesn't have gravity, and the controls are awkward, but it works. 19:57 Glorfindel lol 20:00 cheapie That green pixel is the player, by the way. 20:01 sofar lol, cute 20:01 sofar I soooo dislike the luacontroller overheating 20:02 sofar I wish that wasn't the default 20:02 cheapie I disabled the "prohibited commands" as well so that I could use for loops, but I could unroll them if necessary. 20:19 exio4 nice cheapie 20:22 rubenwardy Calinou: look at that crash, http://minetest.rubenwardy.com/stats/ 20:22 rubenwardy within 10 minutes I lost 10 players 20:23 swift110 hey all 20:24 rubenwardy My initial theory was that Just Test came back online 20:24 rubenwardy but no 20:35 Teckla rubenwardy: Does that mean that after a Minetest crash, 10 less players rejoined? 20:35 rubenwardy no, server didn't crash 20:36 Teckla rubenwardy: Oh, so 10 players just happened to leave within the same 10 minute time range? 20:36 rubenwardy yeah 20:36 rubenwardy less players means less joiners 20:37 Teckla rubenwardy: Any theories why so many left in such a small time range? 20:37 Teckla ...bedtime for kids in a particular time zone, maybe? 20:37 rubenwardy lag I think 20:37 Teckla Ah, hrmm 20:38 asl97 might have been my fault, i capture the flag and that destroy their house and they rage quit xD 20:38 rubenwardy my server doesn't usually lag that much, at least not for me 20:38 rubenwardy lol 20:39 rubenwardy that's true 20:51 asl97 rubenwardy: it would be nice if the stat show when a flag is capture 20:52 rubenwardy yes 20:52 rubenwardy I thought that 20:53 rubenwardy Shouldn't be too hard to add vertical lines to gnuplot 20:53 Glorfindel that would be cool 20:55 Glorfindel rubenwardy: there are quite a few players on again now 20:55 rubenwardy yeah 20:55 rubenwardy back to 14+ 20:55 rubenwardy maybe tea time? 20:55 Glorfindel haha 21:41 Glorfindel server just crash rubenwardy? lol 21:48 rubenwardy no? 21:48 rubenwardy nothing in the logs 21:51 rubenwardy Glorfindel, 21:51 rubenwardy ^ 21:52 Fixer v 21:52 Glorfindel rubenwardy: huh 22:14 Fixer server went nuts again v_v 22:32 afflatus I'm doing my own head in again 22:33 afflatus I'm trying to indx a table using nodenames 22:33 afflatus Apparently that's wrong 22:35 afflatus What idiot mistake am I making here? http://paste.debian.net/340717/ 22:37 afflatus All I can see is trees ... and occasional fruit ;-) 22:42 behalebabo afflatus: use [], ['food:gorse'] instead of 'food:gorse' 22:43 behalebabo if you initialize a table like that you have to use [] around quoted strings 22:43 behalebabo for the indexes, not the values 22:45 afflatus behalebabo: thanks! 22:45 afflatus That was doing my head in 22:46 afflatus And it works! :-) 23:16 swift110 hey all 23:27 rubenwardy Fixer: what do you mean by nuts? Lots of players? 23:27 Fixer lots of strange laaag 23:27 Fixer 1 minute to open inventory 23:27 Fixer after that it just stops responding 23:28 Fixer it is Extreme Survival Minetest server, what the hell is wrong with it :( 23:28 rubenwardy ah, not mine. Thank good. XD 23:28 rubenwardy How many players? 23:28 Fixer like 3 23:29 rubenwardy what spec and internet connection? Is it yours? 23:29 Fixer lag is like that .|.|.|.........................................|............forever until restart 23:29 Fixer no 23:29 Fixer spec is pretty good, connection is good 23:29 Fixer it is minetest or mod problem 23:30 rubenwardy !server Extreme Survival 23:30 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Extreme Survival Minetest | 23.28.76.50 | Clients: 0/43, 1/6 | Version: 0.4.13 / extreme_survival | Ping: 137ms 23:30 rubenwardy large ping, compared to 23:30 rubenwardy !server Capture 23:30 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Capture the Flag (Guns!) | minetest.rubenwardy.com | Clients: 13/20, 12/19 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / capturetheflag | Ping: 1ms 23:30 rubenwardy 137x more 23:30 Fixer it is in USA 23:30 Fixer 100 ms is reasonable 23:30 rubenwardy oh, true I guess 23:30 Fixer it is always like that 23:30 Fixer i've played FPS games with 100ms, reasonably well 23:31 rubenwardy Minetest doesn't have very good client side prediction 23:31 Fixer it is strange problem, it works for some time and... silence (it is not crashing), just silence, like in a coma 23:32 rubenwardy What does the packet graph look like on F5? 23:32 Fixer can't tell, can't connect to it 23:33 Fixer rubenwardy, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3046 like that 23:34 Fixer possibly fixed on 27 Sep 15 23:34 Fixer let me check what git version he uses 23:35 rubenwardy I hate moderating 23:36 Fixer hmm 23:36 Fixer he uses 10 Sep 2015 build