Time  Nick            Message
01:19 paramat         Sokomine the biome api places decorations on the seabed, but use a schematic decoration with 'force place = true' to replace the water. mgv7 jungletrees in swamps are done this way
01:22 paramat         now there's also a flag for optionally placing a decoration on the liquid surface
01:32 paramat         for a boat on the surface use 'flags = "place_center_x, place_center_y, place_center_z, force_placement",' so that the schematic's centre is at the surface
01:39 paramat         oops that should be 'flags = "liquid_surface, place_center_x, place_center_y, place_center_z, force_placement",'
03:07 JohnnyComeL8ly  [off] I'm thinking that most here don't have the ability to fix this, but I have to try. :-)
03:07 JohnnyComeL8ly  [off] https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13532&p=197458#p197458
03:18 JohnnyComeL8ly  [off] Guys, I placed a question there at "[Fun][Game] How to"
03:18 JohnnyComeL8ly  [off] https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=13532&p=197458#p197458
03:19 JohnnyComeL8ly  [off] GunshipPenguin, I placed a question there at "[Fun][Game] How to"
04:04 fling           I want to be able to convert the whole minecraft world to a minetest world database somehow
04:04 fling           A standalone tool is needed.
04:07 Sinai_Rosendo   hola
04:07 Sinai_Rosendo   hello
07:42 reber           hi all
07:56 Emperor_Genshin hello reber
09:01 Krock           Hello everybody!
09:09 Emperor_Genshin Hello Krock
10:25 rbduck          hi i am back, it was so late yesterday, so i went to bed, sorry
10:39 Ingar           so did I, but I got better
10:54 Hunterz         hi, how i can get rid ---- <WARNING> 2015-11-07 11:54:22: [Server] Not saving map, saving disabled. ----   from the server console?
10:55 Hunterz         looks like something missing in my old config
13:03 Xack            Hunterz: did you fix it or do you still need help
13:03 Xack            ?
13:10 Hunterz         I was set bigger value to server_map_save_interval
13:51 fling           Xack: how to reduce server lag?
14:06 Xack            fling: what's the specs of your server?
14:10 Krock           i386, 16 MiB ram... ^^
14:19 Out`Of`Control  512KiB
14:20 Calinou         640K ought to be enough for anybody.
14:22 MinetestBot     02[git] 04BlockMen -> 03minetest/minetest: Add support for audio feedback if placing node failed 132a12579 http://git.io/v8cdb (152015-11-07T13:23:38+01:00)
14:22 Krock           Yup. Crazy people should use their 250 KB floppy disk as virtual ram
14:48 Calinou         DOS ReadyBoost!
14:49 kaeza           o/
14:49 Krock           rofl
14:49 Krock           \o
14:55 Obani           \o\
14:55 Krock           Obani, dancing?
14:56 Obani           Ok :p
14:56 Obani           /o
14:56 Obani           o\
14:56 Obani           \o/
14:56 Krock           >.<
14:56 Obani           :D
15:11 kaeza           \( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)/
15:15 Megaf_          Raid 0 do work, cool
15:15 Megaf_          I've been running MT from a Raid 0 SSD thingy, it loads faster
15:15 Megaf_          lol
15:16 Megaf_          hdparm -Tt --direct
15:16 Megaf_          /dev/sdb1:
15:16 Megaf_          Timing O_DIRECT cached reads:    42 MB in  2.04 seconds =  20.61 MB/sec
15:16 Megaf_          /dev/sdc1:
15:16 Megaf_          Timing O_DIRECT cached reads:    42 MB in  2.08 seconds =  20.24 MB/sec
15:16 Megaf_          /dev/md1:
15:16 Megaf_          Timing O_DIRECT cached reads:    74 MB in  2.05 seconds =  36.07 MB/sec
15:16 Megaf_          :)
15:16 Krock           Megaf_, what's apstebin?
15:16 Krock           p << | a >>
15:17 Megaf_          Krock: not worth it.
15:19 fling           Xack: e350m1 8G ram
15:19 Megaf_          I wonder if LVM striped would be any faster
15:19 Megaf_          fling: how come you have lag with such a machine?
15:20 Megaf_          !server Megaf
15:20 MinetestBot     Megaf_: No results
15:20 Megaf_          fling: 256 MB of ram on my server
15:20 Megaf_          !up mt.megaf.info 30003
15:20 MinetestBot     mt.megaf.info:30003 seems to be down
15:20 Megaf_          what?
15:20 Megaf_          I think est31 curses thingy is breaking things, lets see
15:21 fling           Megaf_: idk, try it mt0.dno.so:30001
15:21 Megaf_          yep, it is using more memory than it used to use
15:22 Megaf_          fling: Im compiling minetest
15:22 fling           Ok ;>
15:24 Krock           !tell est31 That error message was probably caused by a MinGW pre-compiled library conflict with MSVC
15:24 MinetestBot     Krock: I'll pass that on when est31 is around
15:24 Krock           !next
15:24 MinetestBot     Another satisfied customer. Next!
15:27 Megaf_          emergequeue_limit_total =
15:28 Megaf_          is that MB, nodes, blocks, stones, euros or what?
15:28 kaeza           probably C++ ABI incompatibility
15:28 kaeza           in general, distributing (binary) C++ libs is a mess; you're better just compiling yourself
15:29 kaeza           plain C libs have no probs, tho'
15:30 Krock           kaeza, that's PITA when there's neither a CMakeLists.txt nor a MSVC project file
15:31 kaeza           then you better find a pre-compiled binary specifically for MSVC
15:31 Krock           Tried to create the CMake stuff myself but stopped when I saw how many defines should be relpaced
15:31 kaeza           if that's not possible, find a better product ;)
15:31 Krock           kaeza, what's better than ncurse?
15:38 nrzkt           !server AppleTree
15:38 MinetestBot     nrzkt: AppleTree - Survival PvE & Build | pts.epixel-game.net | Clients: 7/50, 7/16 | Version: 1.0.0-alpha13-dev / epixel | Ping: 12ms
15:38 rubenwardy      Megaf_, blocks probably
15:38 rubenwardy      Or MapChunks (8x8x8 MapBlocks)
15:39 rubenwardy      blocks
15:39 kaeza           Krock, porting a Makefile to CMakeLists.txt is quite trivial most of the time.
15:39 rubenwardy      https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/minetest.conf.example#L1040
15:40 Krock           kaeza, there are sh scripts that can't be executed by a MSVC application :/
15:41 kaeza           well, :/ then
15:51 Calinou         Timing cached reads:   26250 MB in  2.00 seconds = 13138.82 MB/sec
15:51 Calinou         Timing buffered disk reads: 1548 MB in  3.00 seconds = 515.83 MB/sec
15:51 Calinou         same performance as if it was brand new
16:00 PilzAdam        Ingar, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/commit/2a12579fab7803fdee2fac2fa8a6837f131dde7a more work for you
16:01 Megaf_          !server Megaf
16:01 MinetestBot     Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/20, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
16:02 Megaf_          lol Calinou
16:03 Megaf_          Calinou: SSD?
16:04 Megaf_          10485760000 bytes (10 GB) copied, 4.5718 s, 2.3 GB/s
16:04 Calinou         Megaf_, yes, Samsung 840 Pro
16:04 Calinou         256 GB
16:04 Calinou         Ingar, what is the audio recording hardware you bought? how much did it cost?
16:05 Ingar           Calinou, Tascam DR-7, it's a few years old though
16:05 Ingar           afaik it was in the 100-200 eur range
16:05 Megaf_          !g test
16:05 MinetestBot     Megaf_: http://www.speedtest.net/
16:05 Megaf_          !g weather Dublin
16:05 MinetestBot     Megaf_: http://www.accuweather.com/en/ie/dublin/207931/weather-forecast/207931
16:06 Calinou         Ingar, how good is it (noise, clicks...)?
16:08 Ingar           Calinou: you need to put it on a tripod, handling noises are terribly
16:08 Ingar           it also picks up noise if you put the gain on anything put low
16:09 Ingar           it works fine for a quick recording of a life performance
16:09 Ingar           and it has line in
16:14 nrzkt           !g lol
16:14 MinetestBot     nrzkt: http://leagueoflegends.com/
16:14 nrzkt           !g mdr
16:14 MinetestBot     nrzkt: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MDR
16:14 Calinou         lol
16:14 nrzkt           !g xptdr
16:14 MinetestBot     nrzkt: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=xptdr
16:14 nrzkt           :p
16:18 nrzkt           !g Calinou
16:18 MinetestBot     nrzkt: https://github.com/Calinou
16:18 nrzkt           good :p
16:19 Calinou         45 followers
16:19 Calinou         and 1.3k starred
16:19 nrzkt           !g MinetestBot
16:19 MinetestBot     nrzkt: https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules
16:19 nrzkt           !g ShadowBot
16:19 MinetestBot     nrzkt: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5edOBqvs7A
16:19 nrzkt           !title
16:19 MinetestBot     nrzkt: ShadowBot - YouTube
16:21 kaeza           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBwm627iPzw
16:24 nrzkt           !g wtf
16:24 MinetestBot     nrzkt: http://www.wtfpod.com/
16:37 swift110        hey all
17:02 MinetestBot     02[git] 04kwolekr -> 03minetest/minetest: Improve LuaVoxelManip documentation 13f9e394a http://git.io/v8Cw8 (152015-11-07T11:59:24-05:00)
17:48 Ingar           is cobblestone turning mossy near water in git now ?
17:49 ElectronLibre   Yes it is.
17:49 Krock           \o/
17:49 ElectronLibre   I think so, the PR was merged.
17:49 ElectronLibre   Let me check.
17:50 ElectronLibre   Yes it is : https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game/commit/2729777b943413323550d7891ea6df8861376598
17:56 Ingar           I just updated ;)
17:56 Ingar           seems to work
18:12 rubenwardy      I was just testing the complexity of my binary search algorithm. I accidentally allocated an array larger than the memory on my computer, causing it to swap the data and freeze everything. So I went into terminal-only mode and killed the program, then shutdown the computer :'(
18:52 rbduck          VanessaE, we need you, there is a griefer on Ve-Building that needs to be banned, everyone is complaing about him, i think it is MasonJ
19:02 rbduck          Cheapie, VanessaE or ShadowNinja , or any other admin / moderator there is a griefer at VE-Building, everyone is complaining about him.
19:05 Obani           rbduck, please wait, they might be afk. If everyone is complaining about him, so it might have been acting for a long time. You can wait some minutes, hours or days, there's no death.
19:05 rbduck          but he is destroying stuff, placing random blocks
19:06 rbduck          they tell him to STOP
19:06 Obani           rbduck : so don't place block for some time and tell the others to do same
19:06 Obani           there is something called rollback that admins are allowed to do
19:14 Fixer           celeron tryes farmesh again... guess I need i7 now
19:14 Fixer           and ssd
19:23 rbduck          OMG griefer-alarm on VE-Building!
19:38 rbduck          VanessaE , there is a griefer now for hours on VE-Building!!!!!
19:39 Megaf_          folks, missing alias here <ERROR> 2015-11-07 14:37:16: [Server] Item "moretrees:stair_acacia_planks_alt" not defined
19:39 rbduck          he is destroying random stuff
19:39 Fixer           rbduck: don't worry, vanessa will fix it
19:39 rbduck          we really need rollback
19:39 Megaf_          <ACTION> 2015-11-07 14:39:28: [Server] Megaf digs moretrees:stair_acacia_planks_alt at (-1376,7,805)
19:39 Out`Of`Control  I get zillion lines INFO[Server]: Server::ProcessData(): Canceling: peer 876 not found
19:40 Out`Of`Control  how to get rid of it? cause lag
19:43 Out`Of`Control  Megaf_:  its now default:acacia
19:46 Megaf_          I know, they need to fix that on Minetest Game
19:47 Obani           rbduck, try to make pressure on this grieffer :p
19:47 Obani           (if he understands english)
19:48 rbduck          we are doing it all, we try to trap him into an area, that he can't get out
19:48 Ingar           ignore griefers doesnt work
19:48 Ingar           kickban works
19:48 Ingar           anything else is academic
19:48 Obani           rbduck, I mean : telling him he is stupid to annoy someone that knows the admin
19:49 Obani           that can kick him,...
19:49 Obani           telling things like this :)
19:49 Obani           I already did it on someone who was annnoying everybody when tha admin was away
19:49 Obani           It worked ^^
19:49 Obani           If you keep calm and add smilies to what you tell, it can work :p
19:50 Out`Of`Control  Megaf_:  i add alias myself, you can copy
19:51 ElectronLibre   Ingar: Kickban works, when you're an admin. Here the problem is that none of the person connected has any sort of kick/ban privilege.
19:51 Megaf_          Minetest still full of memory leaks =/
19:51 Megaf_          just got a Killed on the client
19:51 Megaf_          and ealier on got a killed on my server
19:52 Ingar           ElectronLibre: I only play servers where I can get admin ^^ (for most games(
19:53 ElectronLibre   Well, admins are not present at any hour of any day.
19:53 Ingar           the trick is to sneak into IRC, do some random dev stuff, get a name, and get admin ;)
19:53 * ElectronLibre thinks he read that too fast
19:54 ElectronLibre   Oh. Well now it won't work here anymore.
19:54 rbduck          VanessaE, Cheapie, ShadowNinja, help a griefer on VE_Building destroying everything!!!
19:55 rbduck          MasonJ
19:55 ElectronLibre   I think you have more chance to have them responding on InchraNet rather than here.
19:58 nrzkt           rbduck, how can this be possible ? there are no areas ?
19:59 rbduck          yes there are, but there are unprotected "areas", he is building nonsense, placing random blocks
20:01 ElectronLibre   Yes that's usually how grieffing is done.
20:02 ElectronLibre   For the moment if you can trap this player somewhere they won't be able to grieff/get out of, that would be a good way to stop them.
20:02 ElectronLibre   s/can/could
20:47 Out`Of`Control  anyone know what means Server::ProcessData(): Cancleing peer xxx not found ?
20:47 Out`Of`Control  or what can cause this
20:47 Out`Of`Control  running 4.13-dev
20:59 kaeza           asdf
20:59 hoodedice       jkl;
21:14 Megaf_          fgh
21:14 Megaf_          Viper: no idea
21:15 kaeza           hoodedice, I have "jklñ" :(
21:15 hoodedice       ;;;;;;;;;;
21:15 hoodedice       ;_;
21:15 kaeza           ';' is Shift + ','
21:15 PilzAdam        jklö
21:16 hoodedice       löl
21:16 Obani           kaeza, not on my keyboard
21:16 Obani           ; is ";"
21:16 hoodedice       ^filthy Merican detected
21:16 hoodedice       =D
21:17 kaeza           Obani is fr (?)
21:17 hoodedice       je nes pas parles francais, desu
21:17 kaeza           es_ES layout here, because es_UY sucks ass
21:17 Viper           Megaf_:  ok
21:17 hoodedice       no hablo espanol either =P
21:18 Obani           hablo un poco espanol :p
21:18 Obani           hablo frances
21:18 Obani           y ingles
21:18 Obani           :p
21:18 kaeza           seriously... '@' is AltGr+Q ? WTH
21:18 kaeza           Obani, e ingles* :P
21:18 Obani           ??
21:18 Obani           @ is AltGr + Ã
21:18 Obani           p
21:18 hoodedice       Shift + 2 =P
21:18 Obani           "Who am I ?"
21:19 hoodedice       for @
21:19 kaeza           when the next word begins in 'i' or 'y', 'y' (as in "and") is spelt as 'e'.
21:19 kaeza           spanish is a weird language, OK?
21:20 kaeza           "español e ingles", or "ingles y español"
21:20 hoodedice       si
21:20 Obani           kaeza, it's not weird
21:20 Obani           It's all about feeling
21:20 ElectronLibre   AltGR+0 -> @, easy for me.
21:20 hoodedice       feels, desu
21:20 Obani           Try to tell ingles e español
21:21 hoodedice       sfan5 not here =(
21:21 Obani           Try to tell español y ingles
21:21 Obani           It's logic ;)
21:21 ElectronLibre   Obani: No it's a pain to pronounce.
21:21 Obani           ElectronLibre, read logs...
21:22 ElectronLibre   That's what I'm doing since 3 minutes.
21:22 Obani           so understand them xD
21:22 ElectronLibre   A "i" sound is just too difficult/long to pronounce twice in a row in a rapid conversation.
21:23 Obani           That's why it's logic
21:23 kaeza           "español y ingles" forces you to make a pause when you pronounce "y" and the 'i' (same with e-e)
21:23 Obani           And that's why you didn't understand (if I understood you well)
21:23 ElectronLibre   What, you were defending that fact?
21:23 kaeza           "español e ingles" just rolls out naturally
21:23 ElectronLibre   kaeza: Yes that was my point.
21:24 Obani           And mine too
21:24 Obani           <kaeza> spanish is a weird language, OK?
21:24 kaeza           are we agreeing to agree? good, I agree
21:24 Obani           Obani> kaeza, it's not weird <Obani> It's all about feeling
21:24 Obani           I agree the agreeing
21:24 Obani           agreed ?
21:25 ElectronLibre   I agree that spanish is weird.
21:25 ElectronLibre   Just take a look at the conjugation.
21:25 Obani           I do not agree with that point
21:25 ElectronLibre   But then all languages are weird for those who do not understand them.
21:25 Obani           Every language was built on it's logic, and on it's philosophy
21:26 kaeza           conjugation? what's weird about that? it's pretty consistent
21:26 hoodedice       if any language is weird
21:26 hoodedice       then any language is weird
21:26 ElectronLibre   hoodedice: Indeed.
21:26 Obani           exactly ^^
21:27 kaeza           contrary to the "iregular verbs" in english (that's how they teach us thais stuff here)
21:27 kaeza           +r
21:27 Megaf_          are we talking about what exactly?
21:27 ElectronLibre   Megaf_: Spanish.
21:27 Megaf_          Espanol? Por que? Yo no hablo espanol...
21:27 Megaf_          no me gusta espanol, lol
21:27 ElectronLibre   Well, weirdly, the irregular verbs were very easy for me to learn, but I'm not even able to memorize all the exceptions in any of the spanish tenses.
21:28 hoodedice       no me gusta espanol, desu
21:28 kaeza           eu não falha português either
21:28 Megaf_          kaeza: falo*
21:28 kaeza           <_ <
21:28 kaeza           ah :P
21:28 Obani           hoodedice, is decu japanese ?
21:28 Megaf_          ElectronLibre: every language is crazy
21:28 kaeza           see? conjugation sucks
21:28 Obani           desu*
21:28 ElectronLibre   Megaf_: Binary is not.
21:28 Megaf_          kaeza: eu falo, tu falas, ele fala, nos falamos, vos faleis, eles falam
21:28 Megaf_          ElectronLibre: binary is beautiful
21:29 ElectronLibre   Well binary is not really a "language". Let's pick C as a not so crazy language.
21:29 kaeza           ElectronLibre, don't add ++ to that or things get hairy :P
21:29 Obani           0000000000000010110000000110011001010010001010001101110100001
21:29 ElectronLibre   Thanks Obani.
21:30 * ElectronLibre takes his ASCII table to decode
21:30 Obani           You're welcome
21:30 Obani           This might look like ;^$ejd(8
21:30 Obani           gtg
21:31 kaeza           hey, at least we understand each other
21:31 kaeza           (spanish, french, portuguese, et.al. ain't that different)
21:31 kaeza           maybe should learn interlingua or something
21:31 Obani           esperanto !
21:32 Obani           bb
21:32 hoodedice       Obani
21:32 hoodedice       oh shi
21:32 kaeza           t
21:32 hoodedice       thanks kaeza
21:32 hoodedice       you
21:32 hoodedice       you are amazing, desu
21:32 ElectronLibre   That didn't mean anything, he just wrote random bits.
21:32 ElectronLibre   And now he's gone. Oh well.
21:33 Megaf_          ElectronLibre: no need to decode that to see that
21:33 kaeza           the eight leading zeros should have been obvious
21:33 Megaf_          I think
21:33 ElectronLibre   Megaf_: I thought that having \0 at the beginning wasn't that common in fact.
21:33 Megaf_          well, you know, there 10 type of people...
21:34 ElectronLibre   Those who understand binary and those who do not.
21:34 Megaf_          how do we represent the base?
21:34 Megaf_          10/10? 10/16?
21:34 ElectronLibre   Also, encoding characters on 61 bits it very inconvenient.
21:34 Megaf_          I want to write 10 and say that is in base 8
21:34 hoodedice       there are 0x10 kinds of people
21:35 ElectronLibre   There are in fact about 0o64116703000 of people.
21:36 Megaf_          meh
21:36 ElectronLibre   s/of people/kinds of people
21:36 Megaf_          dont go too deep, you might never return
21:36 Megaf_          not sure if we can go deepper than binary tho
21:37 ElectronLibre   I would fall into an hexadecimal abyss?
21:37 Megaf_          maybe some specific assembly for ARM, MIPS or even Pic!
21:37 Megaf_          I remember making a PIC microntroller blink a LED in assembly
21:37 Megaf_          crazy stuff
21:48 Ingar           PilzAdam: default_place_failed works ;)
21:55 kaeza           can somebody recommend a good (preferably open source) RTS?
21:56 PilzAdam        kaeza, real-time strategy or shooter?
21:56 kaeza           PilzAdam, former
21:57 PilzAdam        0 A.D.
21:58 PilzAdam        there is also the Zero modification for Total Annihilation, but you need the original Total Annihilation game for that (which is non-free)
21:58 kaeza           hmm... the screenshots look quite good
21:59 Megaf_          TOTALA is the best RTS ever made
22:00 Megaf_          PilzAdam: ^
22:00 PilzAdam        kaeza, also, if you want a free brute war-ish game, try http://www.littlewargame.com/
22:00 PilzAdam        it's good for quick games (~10 mins.) with your friends
22:01 PilzAdam        Megaf_, try http://zero.tauniverse.com/
22:01 kaeza           PilzAdam, I'm mostly looking for something that is playable offline. I grew quite bored of Warcraft 3 :(
22:01 Megaf_          I have the original game :)
22:01 Megaf_          two CDs, epic soundtrack
22:02 PilzAdam        kaeza, there is also supreme commander FAF, but that's quite different from warcraft
22:03 Megaf_          PilzAdam: Zero is not for Linux, is it?
22:04 PilzAdam        Megaf_, I got it to work under wine, even for LAN games
22:04 PilzAdam        just run the installer under windows, and then copy the whole installation folder over to Linux
22:04 Megaf_          I used to have a Windows 98 SE VirtualBox VM to play Total Annihilation :)
22:04 Megaf_          PilzAdam: I don't have windows here
22:09 kaeza           doesn't the installer work under WINE?
22:09 Megaf_          wine messes up Debian stuff like default programs
22:09 kaeza           BTW, TC FAF looks quite nice
22:10 kaeza           eh SC
22:10 PilzAdam        the installer does not work under wine
22:10 Megaf_          SC FAF?
22:10 kaeza           supreme commander
22:10 kaeza           quite like what I'm looking for in theme at least
22:11 kaeza           I miss my KKND2 PSX CD :(
22:12 kaeza           also, Warzone 2100
22:13 kaeza           aaaaanyways, I gotta go for now. thank you PA
22:13 Megaf_          warzone is a nice one
22:13 Megaf_          I will install it here asap
22:15 Megaf_          its almost 2100
22:43 Fixer           warzone is soo hardcore
22:43 Fixer           super geeky
23:44 Fixer           if you like challenging AI, go with warzone 2100