Time Nick Message 00:00 JohnnyComeL8ly Is it a game-changer? 00:48 ShadowNinja I just made a mgv5 world -- there are about 20 dungeons within 120 nodes of the origin, and that's just the ones visible from the surface. 00:48 JohnnyComeL8ly That's a problem isn't it? 00:50 ShadowNinja Yeah. 00:50 ShadowNinja Huh -- seems cavegen runs in oceans too. 00:50 JohnnyComeL8ly ShadowNinja: I'm thinking that it shouldn't be an issue since there are two other compiled mapgens.... 00:51 ShadowNinja Yeah, trying them now. 00:51 JohnnyComeL8ly mgv[6,7] 00:52 ShadowNinja v6 is good, but a bit boring and v7's given me a waterworld. 00:54 JohnnyComeL8ly I know some mods do like a certain version of map gen... so maybe, do you have a mod that is grieving you? 00:54 JohnnyComeL8ly I can't recall the name of it for sure, but I'm thinking it is.... 00:55 JohnnyComeL8ly !mod ethreal 00:55 MinetestBot JohnnyComeL8ly: Could not find anything. 00:55 ShadowNinja Nah, just reset to a new seed and it looks great now. 00:55 JohnnyComeL8ly Ok, good. Version 7? 00:55 JohnnyComeL8ly !mod Ethreal 00:55 MinetestBot JohnnyComeL8ly: Could not find anything. 00:56 JohnnyComeL8ly !mod Ethereal 00:56 MinetestBot JohnnyComeL8ly: Ethereal [ethereal] by Chinchow - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=7656 00:56 JohnnyComeL8ly There, I think that's it. 00:57 JohnnyComeL8ly It only works on mgv7. 00:57 ShadowNinja JohnnyComeL8ly: Yep. 00:58 ShadowNinja I'm planning on releasing a new public server soon BTW. :-) 00:58 ShadowNinja A little defferent than what you're used to... 00:58 JohnnyComeL8ly How do you know what I'm used to? ;-) 00:59 JohnnyComeL8ly I could be back from the future, having played on your server already! 01:01 JohnnyComeL8ly Btw, that sounds like it could be fun... depending on if it requires low-latency. 01:01 JohnnyComeL8ly A connection of that type, I should say. 01:03 ShadowNinja Nah, it's more or less normal minetest, it's just got a twist that I haven't seen anywhere else yet. 01:06 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh. 01:22 VanessaE ShadowNinja: did you mean to announce it on the public list? I don't see anything that stands out. 01:22 JohnnyComeL8ly He said soon. 01:22 JohnnyComeL8ly It isn't yet there, or ready. 01:22 ShadowNinja ^ 01:23 VanessaE also will someone PLEASE trim h2o.minetest.in's version/subgame/mapgen field? 01:23 VanessaE (or trim it in general) 01:25 JohnnyComeL8ly What are you talking about? 01:32 VanessaE JohnnyComeL8ly: h2o.minetest.in 1/15 0/2 0.4.13, ../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../../var/games/minetest/H2O/version9, singlenode 01:33 VanessaE (just trim it to the last delimited element or say 25 chars, whichever applies to a given entry, imho) 01:36 JohnnyComeL8ly I still don't know where you are getting that from... :-S 01:36 VanessaE JohnnyComeL8ly: the public server list at servers.minetest.net 01:37 JohnnyComeL8ly Oh, I was not finding anything like that in MT (game) infos... so you why I'm confused. 01:37 VanessaE mmhmm. 01:37 VanessaE bbl 01:40 JohnnyComeL8ly Thanks for the guidance though. 01:42 JohnnyComeL8ly Btw, that escaped(?) uri doesn't make any sense.... 01:59 waressearcher2 JohnnyComeL8ly: its not escaped, escape is "\" 02:05 JohnnyComeL8ly Yes, ok (I did put a question mark ;-) 02:05 JohnnyComeL8ly waressearcher2: What is the proper term? 02:43 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kwolekr -> 03minetest/minetest: Refactor thread utility interface 136be74d1 http://git.io/vC5lg (152015-10-16T22:20:24-04:00) 02:59 Tiktalik_ guys, um 02:59 Tiktalik_ is minetest any good 03:00 VanessaE of course. 03:00 Tiktalik_ how are the mods? 03:01 VanessaE depends what you mean 03:01 VanessaE modding is a standard part of minetest 03:01 VanessaE lots of people made lots of good mods 03:01 Tiktalik_ does it have any comparable mod stuff to mc, as far as complexity and oddity goes 03:01 VanessaE I wouldn't know. never played MC. 03:02 est31 oddity lol 03:02 Tiktalik_ okay. how's the crafting and mining? 03:02 est31 in minetest you can encounter real nyan cats underground 03:02 VanessaE about as you'd expect I guess? 03:03 VanessaE you mine, you craft, you build, ? 03:03 est31 and you can far below -128 and far higher than + 128 03:03 est31 or 256 or whatever 03:03 VanessaE that too. 03:03 VanessaE I think it's -64 to +192 03:03 VanessaE or vice versa. 03:03 Tiktalik_ do there be jetpacks? a decent combat system? 03:03 VanessaE why would you need a jetpack? fly priv. 03:04 VanessaE decent combat system? couldn't tell you, I don't do pvp. (but it exists) 03:04 Tiktalik_ ...I like jetpacks 03:04 Tiktalik_ I meant for pve, actually 03:04 VanessaE pve? 03:04 est31 player versus everybody 03:04 Tiktalik_ yeah, y'know, fighting off terrifying monsters 03:04 est31 ermm environment lol jk 03:05 VanessaE oh. 03:05 VanessaE there are MOB mods that include hostile, fighting creatures. 03:05 Tiktalik_ ah, okay. 03:05 est31 you will be disappointed by minetest's mobs 03:05 VanessaE yeah 03:05 est31 this isn't one of the parts it shines at 03:05 est31 not right now 03:05 VanessaE minetest isn't as fancy as MC from what I'm led to understand, but it's good enough for me anyway 03:06 Tiktalik_ est31: is that a lack of engine support thing or a lack of good mods thing 03:06 est31 partly both 03:06 Tiktalik_ VanessaE: I quit minecraft because at this point it's just got ridiculous 03:06 est31 you can do fairly decent mob mods 03:06 VanessaE ridiculous? 03:06 VanessaE I'm curious. how so? 03:06 Tiktalik_ yeah 03:07 Tiktalik_ I'll pm you 03:07 Tiktalik_ if you don't mind 03:07 VanessaE just write it here 03:07 Tiktalik_ kk 03:07 VanessaE it might serve as inspiration for others here 03:07 VanessaE i.e. what NOT to do 03:07 Tiktalik_ alright, so 03:07 Tiktalik_ minecraft was not designed with the intent of becoming big or complex 03:08 Tiktalik_ the crafting grid was a good system for dealing with the 30 or so unique recipes 03:08 LazyJ VanessaE, whose version of the Minetest IRC mod do you use on your servers? 03:08 Tiktalik_ the inventory made sense 03:09 Tiktalik_ armor was pretty well balanced, each mob had a unique niche 03:09 Tiktalik_ the art was crap, but it was crap that went together 03:09 * LazyJ wonders if he used the correct form of "who" and cringes from school day memories. 03:09 VanessaE LazyJ: the regular upstream one by kaeza 03:09 Tiktalik_ then cool features just kept being tossed on 03:09 VanessaE heh 03:09 LazyJ Ah. 03:09 VanessaE "the art was crap, but it was crap that went together" 03:10 Tiktalik_ combat was revamped, like with swords you have to jump like an idiot to do more damage 03:10 VanessaE I have to remember that. :D 03:10 LazyJ Miner and I are trying to get that setup but are having no luck getting it to pipe back and forth between MT and the IRC servers. 03:10 Tiktalik_ bows stopped being machine guns, to everyone's delight 03:10 LazyJ *server 03:10 VanessaE (that could just as easily describe minetest, from what I've heard others say) 03:10 Tiktalik_ that was a good thing 03:10 est31 some people dont like the retro graphics 03:10 VanessaE jumping to do more damage? that's stupid 03:10 Tiktalik_ um, stuff got added in like more trees, lots more blocks 03:11 Tiktalik_ potions 03:11 VanessaE bows (which exist in MT also, after a fashion) aren't rapid fire here, because each tool has a recoil/swing time 03:11 Tiktalik_ enchanting (really badly designed feature) 03:11 Hirato what I don't like is the strange blend of realism in the gameplay :P 03:11 Tiktalik_ then you pile on mods 03:11 Hirato let me jump higher and run faster! 03:11 Tiktalik_ more stuff to craft 03:12 Hirato without dying from bumping into blocks! 03:12 Tiktalik_ more resources to mine 03:12 Tiktalik_ better tools, faster furnaces 03:12 VanessaE Tiktalik_: sounds like you'd really hate my Dreambuilder sub-game then :) 03:12 Tiktalik_ it just kept going up in power, more or less 03:12 Tiktalik_ except none of the systems were made to handle it 03:13 est31 minetest _is_ made to handle heavily modded servers/singleplayer 03:13 Tiktalik_ there had to be an in game recipe guide mod just so you could keep up 03:13 Tiktalik_ with the stupid recipes people had to use to avoid crafting conflicts 03:13 VanessaE we have that too, for the same reason :) 03:14 VanessaE however recipes tend not to be stupid 03:14 est31 you can have tens of thousands of recipes, and run them on a server without any problem. 03:14 Tiktalik_ because the crafting grid is NOT a good system for a lot of craftables 03:14 est31 same for blocks 03:14 VanessaE as we have things like technic CNC machine, moreblocks table saw, and so on 03:14 Hirato helps that we have up to 5x5 crafting benches 03:14 Tiktalik_ and of course 03:14 Tiktalik_ the extra ores, trees, seeds, foods, tools 03:14 Tiktalik_ those all pile up 03:15 Tiktalik_ to the point where you can't even go mining well at all, because your inventory is made to handle a lot of a few things, and a few of a lot of things clogs it up something fierce 03:16 VanessaE we have bags for that, and default stack max of 99 03:16 Hirato this is why the inventory in terraria keeps getting bigger without getting any more useful :P 03:16 VanessaE (it can go up to 65535 if you want) 03:16 Tiktalik_ bags exist in minecraft 03:16 Tiktalik_ modded, anyway 03:16 est31 and there are auto sorting chests 03:16 est31 and shift-click for fast item movement 03:16 VanessaE Unified Inventory puts a lot of the most needed sorts of stuff togehter 03:17 Tiktalik_ est31: minecraft had an auto sorting computerized storage system 03:17 Tiktalik_ as a mod 03:17 VanessaE (crafting guide, bags, various control buttons, waypoints, ...) 03:17 Tiktalik_ and there are shift clicks and such 03:18 Tiktalik_ the problem is, with so many mods everyone has to fight for the same crafting grid 03:18 Tiktalik_ microcrafting is a big problem 03:18 Hirato and minetest doesn't doesn't seem to have any interest in merging some of the best mods in as official bits and pieces 03:19 VanessaE I'd like to think minetest modders generally work together to avoid crafting conflicts 03:19 est31 well thats mtgame discussion, but i think paramat wants to keep mtgame simple 03:19 Hirato seems silly to me that you have to assemble your own game from all these different mods if you want something that's not super basic 03:19 Tiktalik_ do you guys have a friendly modding community 03:19 VanessaE I think so :) 03:19 * VanessaE <--- one of those modders 03:19 hmmmm nope 03:19 hmmmm we're totally rotten SOBs 03:20 Tiktalik_ then that's better than minecraft 03:20 VanessaE hmmmm: he said modding community, not core dev community ;) 03:20 hmmmm oh sorry, carry on 03:20 Tiktalik_ minecraft has always been elitist pricks 03:20 Tiktalik_ always, I mean 03:20 VanessaE Tiktalik_: also, nearly ALL minetest mods are free, open source 03:20 Tiktalik_ we were helpful enough if you weren't stupid 03:20 hmmmm probably due to the closed nature of minecraft and minecraft mods 03:20 Tiktalik_ and honestly I have to say 03:20 hmmmm minecraft modders hoard their knowledge 03:21 Tiktalik_ nah, not so much any more 03:21 VanessaE our modding language is Lua, which is easy to learn 03:21 Tiktalik_ there are lots of open mods 03:21 VanessaE whereas minecraft, as I'm sure you know, is java 03:21 est31 and minetest has acutally a real modding API 03:21 Hirato how mcuh dedodated wam is needed to server 03:21 Tiktalik_ I'll be back on my pc 03:24 Tiktalik okay, I'm back :) 03:24 Tiktalik alright, so 03:24 Tiktalik i'm gonna do something terrible 03:24 Tiktalik i'm gonna boot up minecraft and show you what I mean 03:24 Tiktalik with the magic of screenshots 03:24 Tiktalik oh! 03:24 Tiktalik incidentally, most people don't bother putting together their own mods anymore 03:24 Tiktalik modpacks kinda won out 03:25 VanessaE modpacks are common in minetest as well 03:25 VanessaE but there are plenty of singular mods 03:25 Tiktalik you would not believe how much the old modders kicked and screamed in regards to modpacks 03:25 Tiktalik well, you would 03:25 VanessaE (for minetest, modpacks are more of a convenience and theming issue, not a necessity per se) 03:25 Tiktalik an ungodly amount 03:26 Tiktalik ok so I'm loading up FTB Horizons: Daybreaker 03:26 Tiktalik pretty standard kitchen sink pack with some unconventional stuff in there 03:26 VanessaE two things MC has over minetest are better MOBs and much better lighting (from what I've seen in videos anyway) 03:27 VanessaE kitchen sink pack? homedecor ;) 03:27 Tiktalik the mobs kind of suck now :P 03:27 Tiktalik there are baby zombies that took spiders' niche after sprinting became a thing 03:28 VanessaE oh brother 03:28 Tiktalik spiders were almost as fast as the player 03:28 Tiktalik but avoidable if you were really good at jumping 03:28 Tiktalik baby zombies must be heavily caffienated 03:29 VanessaE the main problem with MOBs on minetest is that they can be laggy 03:29 Tiktalik okay, to start with 03:29 Tiktalik I have 356 pages of items here 03:29 VanessaE as the code that runs them runs only in the server process 03:29 VanessaE 356 pages?! how many items per? 03:29 Tiktalik each page is 8x14 03:30 Tiktalik (this is counting every item and block) 03:30 * VanessaE checks dreambuilder... 03:30 Tiktalik including minor things like color variants 03:30 Tiktalik oh, this has chisel in it 03:30 VanessaE 20 pages, 80 items per. backstage, there are about 16'500 items. 03:31 Tiktalik okay, so this isn't unique items 03:31 VanessaE nor is the 16'500 :) 03:31 Tiktalik it counts things like microblocks 03:31 VanessaE the 20 * 80 is, however. 03:31 Tiktalik and chisel variants 03:31 Tiktalik with chisel disabled, that brings down the pages to 153 03:32 Tiktalik now, the inventory is 4x8, including hotbar 03:32 VanessaE however, there's stuff like the table saw, which provides 45 different shapes for the item you put in it 03:32 Tiktalik oh yeah? what kinda shapes, like, half blocks, steps, etc? 03:33 VanessaE stairshttp://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/random/Screenshot_2015-10-16_23-33-12.png 03:33 Tiktalik cool 03:33 Tiktalik over in minecraft, we have forge microblocks 03:33 VanessaE (what's not totally obvious among those wedge shapes is how the top is cut. some are corner-to-corner, some are pyramids) 03:34 Tiktalik you can, in the standard crafting grid 03:34 Tiktalik take 03:34 Tiktalik a block and a saw, and it works for pretty much everything that isn't a tile entity (interactable) 03:34 Tiktalik cut the block in half, make pillars, whatnot, with a system of absurdly overcomplicated recipes 03:34 Tiktalik and put multiple different ones in a single place 03:34 VanessaE heh 03:34 Tiktalik there's also carpenter's blocks 03:34 Tiktalik which, I think is more elegant than the tablesaw 03:35 Tiktalik you get plain blocks, fences, buttons, a safe, daylight sensor, slopes, corners, etc 03:35 Tiktalik and you can just right click them with most any block to skin them as it 03:35 VanessaE well that ^^^ mod I showed has some recipes, some of which are a little nonsensical maybe; you can however place micro blocks (7th item, top row) back into the craft grid to form some of the other shapes (like the "L" on the 4th row, or the "inside corner" 2nd from the end, 2nd row) 03:36 Tiktalik pretty much the same, then :P 03:36 VanessaE (er that was an "outside" corner) 03:37 VanessaE meshes aren't a particularly new thing in minetest (got them last year), but these particular shapes in the saw are just starting to gain traction 03:37 VanessaE (that mod, btw, is "More Blocks" by Calinou) 03:37 Tiktalik um, let's see 03:37 Tiktalik in this pack, I have about... 03:38 Tiktalik I'd like to say 30 unique ores? 03:38 Tiktalik when your inventory is 32 slots big, that's a problem 03:39 VanessaE heh 03:39 VanessaE Dreambuilder has about as many :P 03:39 VanessaE base Minetest game has like 8 maybe 03:39 Tiktalik how big's the dreambuilder inventory? 03:39 VanessaE 8x4 03:39 VanessaE that screenshot was from DB 03:40 Tiktalik aw jeez 03:40 Tiktalik of course, there are also things to consider like monster drops 03:40 Tiktalik the five or so stone variants you can come across undergroudn 03:41 Tiktalik underground* 03:41 Tiktalik the fact that you may want something like ten tools with you at any given time 03:41 VanessaE http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/screenshots/random/Screenshot_2015-10-16_23-41-40.png 03:42 VanessaE there's Unified Inventory, showing some of what's available. 03:42 Tiktalik oh hey, it looks like NEI but uglier :P 03:42 VanessaE (hm, I need to change the "full" formspec a bit. lots of wasted vertical space) 03:42 VanessaE heh 03:43 VanessaE I bet with a little fiddling, I could get 8x12 pages on the right. :) 03:44 VanessaE maybe even 9x12 :) 03:44 Tiktalik the secret is to make it not all a single panel 03:44 Tiktalik how much can you change that GUI there? 03:44 VanessaE pretty much any way I want to 03:45 VanessaE there's some limits 03:45 VanessaE but it's pretty free-form if you also have the graphics skills to make buttons and other imagery 03:46 Tiktalik in a minute I'll have some minecraft screenshots for you 03:46 Tiktalik i lowered the gui scale to small for some even :P 03:46 VanessaE heh 03:46 VanessaE well while GUI scale is adjustable, formspecs in minetest are relatively-sized 03:47 VanessaE usually measured in fractions of an inventory slot 03:47 VanessaE and auto-scaling is enabled by default 03:47 Tiktalik I could design you some prettier buttons for stuff sometime, maybe, if you wanna hit me up 03:47 VanessaE aw, I like those buttons :( 03:48 Tiktalik the resolution doesn't match D: 03:48 Tiktalik uneven resolution and gradients make me cry 03:48 VanessaE wait, you mean the buttons on the right? 03:48 Tiktalik yeah 03:48 VanessaE those are the actual items. 03:48 Tiktalik no, I mean 03:48 Tiktalik the ones below that 03:49 VanessaE the page buttons? 03:49 Tiktalik yeah 03:49 VanessaE well they used to be better-looking, but during the image revamp, I couldn't find better ones 03:49 Tiktalik I can totally match minetest art :p 03:50 Tiktalik https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17744669/progscreenshots/ftb%20problems/2015-10-16_21.43.42.png ah, here we go. finally. 03:50 Tiktalik so this is just an inventory screenshot 03:50 VanessaE ew. 03:50 Tiktalik ew? 03:50 VanessaE ew. 03:50 Tiktalik what are you ewing about 03:50 VanessaE it's ugly. :) 03:50 Tiktalik the vanilla inventory is pretty gross, I know 03:50 Tiktalik but so is yours 03:50 VanessaE heh yeah 03:51 Hirato this doesn't answer the most important question, is minecraft fun yet? is it even a game yet, or still just a sandbox? :P 03:51 Tiktalik I think it's more a matter of the ugly inventory you're used to 03:51 Tiktalik Hirato: minecraft should have never tried being a game 03:51 Tiktalik it went awfully :P 03:51 Hirato hahahaha 03:51 VanessaE mind, I didn't write all of Unified Inventory, RealBadAngel started it. 03:51 Tiktalik um, anyway 03:51 Tiktalik having all the items like that on a transparent background? 03:51 VanessaE that's what makes it ugly 03:51 Tiktalik why's it ugly 03:51 VanessaE because they are just sorta "floating" 03:52 Tiktalik i think it actually works out well because then you have them there without obscuring your view too much 03:52 Tiktalik so you can see if a green bastard is creeping up on you to blow up everything you love 03:52 VanessaE there are no delimiters between items or between the list and the inventory in the middle 03:52 VanessaE I think minetest can do transparent buttons, and I know it can do transparent formspecs 03:52 VanessaE so it could match this I guess 03:52 Tiktalik and heeeere's the inventory set to small GUI scale 03:52 Tiktalik https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17744669/progscreenshots/ftb%20problems/2015-10-16_21.44.05.png 03:52 VanessaE omg 03:53 Hirato o_O 03:53 Tiktalik nobody ever uses small 03:53 Tiktalik even in vanilla 03:53 Tiktalik https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17744669/progscreenshots/ftb%20problems/2015-10-16_21.44.08.png here's another page 03:53 VanessaE that's something minetest can't do 03:53 Hirato on the flip size, at least the text looks nice at that size :M 03:53 Tiktalik Hirato: hey, at least our font looks nice at some size! 03:53 VanessaE or not "properly", anyway. the gui formspec scaling is client-side, but the content is server-side. 03:53 Hirato we just use freetype 03:53 Hirato lolololo 03:54 Tiktalik i kid, i kid 03:54 Tiktalik no i don't your font looks awful 03:54 VanessaE Minetest uses standard open source fonts. DejaVu Sans I think. 03:54 Tiktalik yeah it's a really inconsistent theme 03:54 Tiktalik https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17744669/progscreenshots/ftb%20problems/2015-10-16_21.44.12.png more inventory 03:54 VanessaE any TTF font can be used though 03:54 Hirato does minetest even bundle fonts? 03:54 VanessaE Hirato: yes 03:55 Hirato that's new 03:55 VanessaE nope. 03:55 VanessaE it's not new 03:55 Hirato and it looks like it's using liberationmono.ttf on my end 03:55 VanessaE ah, right 03:55 VanessaE forgot, I changed it on my client :) 03:56 Hirato hahaha 03:56 VanessaE minetest has bundled some font files though, and some bitmap fonts also, that no one uses anymore :P 03:56 Hirato haha 03:57 VanessaE Tiktalik: in any case, like they say there's no accounting for taste :) 03:57 VanessaE minetesters are used to one thing, minecrafters another :) 03:57 Tiktalik true 03:57 Tiktalik it's both terrible, which I will freely admit 03:57 VanessaE now mind you, 03:57 VanessaE the GUI is themeable to a degree 03:58 Tiktalik I come up with nice gui themes sometimes. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17744669/ProgScreenshots/BPlus.png 03:58 Tiktalik the colors are all mine :P 03:59 Hirato nice tracker you got there https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCl9xYSOVtM 03:59 Tiktalik sorry for the dumb question, but will dreambuilder work with minetest 0.4.13? 03:59 Tiktalik Hirato: it's renoise, renoise is so so worth the $75 03:59 Tiktalik vst plugin support, envelope automation, a REALLY nice instrument system 03:59 Tiktalik i love it so much 03:59 VanessaE this, for example, is in the BFD sub-game: https://imgrush.com/8_mpIRQmBfui.png 03:59 Tiktalik but I've never composed anything good. 04:00 Tiktalik oh, ow 04:00 VanessaE and yes, DB works with 0.4.13. 04:01 Tiktalik Hirato: want to hear the song in that picture? 04:01 Hirato sure 04:01 VanessaE here's another, in the multicraft android port: https://static-s.aa-cdn.net/img/gp/20600004054025/b0CMGSEd2SuIUSBKZAfBCr8KukJKJylE5ESJ459K5RLQnc7vQ14eLGPjmkn9_mLAmQ=h900 04:01 Tiktalik https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/17744669/My%20Music/Auditory%20Landfill.mp3 04:01 Tiktalik descriptive title 04:01 Hirato lol 04:01 VanessaE (both of those are doable with a mod against plain minetest, also) 04:02 Tiktalik jeez, now that's just ripping off minecraft >:( 04:02 VanessaE heh 04:02 VanessaE well it DOES look about the same, to be sure 04:02 VanessaE but for it to be a rip-off, it would need to be using minecraft imagery :) 04:02 Hirato that really is a very descriptive title 04:02 Tiktalik clone, then 04:02 * Hirato listens to some more purple motion 04:03 VanessaE so really, it's just a matter of taste what the UI looks like 04:05 Tiktalik Hirato: auditory landfill won 18th out of 19th in a metal competition, I'll have you know 04:05 Hirato lol 04:06 Tiktalik Hirato: this is the one below me. http://battleofthebits.org/arena/Entry/solving+it+on+different+levels/19325/ 04:06 VanessaE damn it, I can't find it now but there's an inventory theme mod that gives it a "leather wallet" look.. 04:07 Hirato is there meant to be a player on the site? 04:07 Tiktalik yeah, it's flash though 04:07 Tiktalik anyway 04:07 Tiktalik that wasn't even metal in the slightest 04:07 Tiktalik just... casio jazz 04:07 Hirato I don't have flash installed :P 04:07 Tiktalik that's for the best, really 04:07 Hirato piece of crap freezes firefox hard 04:08 Hirato and firefox is slow enough as is without any plugins 04:08 Tiktalik VanessaE: how install DB 04:08 Hirato extract into the 'game' folder 04:08 VanessaE Tiktalik: download, unzip, rename the folder to "dreambuilder_game" if necessary, put it in minetest's games folder. 04:08 VanessaE ( ~/.minetest/games on linux.) 04:09 VanessaE then launch minetest, click the "house" icon, and create a new world. 04:09 Tiktalik that /is/ an eerie amount more friendly than minecraft community people. 04:09 VanessaE and you don't need to install mods in minetest to play on a server that uses mods. 04:09 VanessaE (or if it runs a custom game) 04:09 Tiktalik neat 04:09 VanessaE the server will send the necessary assets to you on connect. 04:09 Tiktalik anyway, I'm installing it now 04:10 Hirato I set up a pkgbuild to build minetest and a bunch of mods, minetest really seems to have it that the mods are installed in /usr/share/minetest/mods/ or whatever it ended up 04:10 Hirato **hate 04:10 Hirato at least the UI does, it doesn't list them, but the game detects and uses them just fine 04:10 VanessaE Hirato: you should never install stuff to a root-writable dir. always use your homedir. ~/.minetest/mods, ~/.minetest/games, etc. 04:10 Hirato why not? I build it as a bunch of little packages? 04:11 Tiktalik hmm 04:11 Tiktalik what's the best mapgen to use 04:11 VanessaE use mapgen v6 04:11 VanessaE mgv7 works but has a couple of bugs that DB's "moretrees" mod exposes. 04:11 Hirato oh, so v7 isn't just a pure stone world anymore? yay 04:11 Tiktalik loading... slowly. 04:12 VanessaE Hirato: nope. 04:12 VanessaE Tiktalik: it takes a long time to load for me also. about 30 seconds or so. 04:12 VanessaE after the first load, it'll be faster in the future 04:12 Hirato Tiktalik: there's some stuff you can turn off in minetest.conf to speed it up 04:12 Tiktalik much faster than minecraft 04:12 VanessaE (all the media will be cached then) 04:13 Tiktalik okay VanessaE, so I'm gonna tell you about this minecraft thing that may blow your mind 04:13 Hirato preload_item_visuals = false <-- make sure that's false, that'll speed it up a lot 04:13 VanessaE er, ok? :) 04:13 Tiktalik it's this mod called Waila 04:13 Tiktalik short for What Am I Looking At 04:13 VanessaE Hirato: that defaults to false in current minetest 04:13 Tiktalik hirato it takes like three minutes to load minecraft 04:13 Tiktalik this is blazing fast 04:13 Hirato VanessaE: I haven't played since 2013 :M 04:14 VanessaE Tiktalik: "what am I looking at" ? 04:14 VanessaE oh 04:14 VanessaE press F5. :) 04:14 Tiktalik https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/164771/MC Modding/Waila/Screens/2013-06-12_23.44.15.png WAILA does it with some elegance, though 04:14 VanessaE point at a node and it tells you what it is and the texture you're pointing at, also 04:14 Tiktalik it'll even show you things like how full a tank is 04:15 VanessaE the F5 display isn't quite as informative as that, though 04:15 Hirato do you even %20 bro 04:15 Tiktalik hey, I want to lodge a complaint! 04:15 Tiktalik i spawned in the middle of a... round thing 04:16 VanessaE haha 04:16 Hirato break the round thing! 04:16 VanessaE blame the engine :D 04:16 VanessaE dreambuilder doesn't make any attempt to find a good spawn pos, it relies on the engine :) 04:17 Tiktalik hah, that's not actually a really sincere complaint 04:17 Tiktalik i miss weird worldgen from minecraft 04:17 VanessaE mapgen v7 would be "weird" perhaps :) 04:17 VanessaE try it sometime, just be sure to delete or disable the "moretrees" mod 04:17 VanessaE (it exposed a lighting bug) 04:17 Hirato oh, is that the thing that makes most of the world this weird black? 04:17 VanessaE (it produces some really epic terrain) 04:18 VanessaE Hirato: well it DOES cause big, black shadows in mgv7, yeah 04:18 VanessaE hmmmm: ^^^ 04:18 hmmmm :/ 04:19 Hirato https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23891252/screenshot_802418484.jpg <-- like these 04:19 Tiktalik is there some reason axes and rubber trees don't get along 04:19 Hirato ? 04:19 VanessaE Hirato: that's similar, yes. but not the same bug I don't think. 04:19 Hirato heh 04:20 Hirato huh... 04:20 Tiktalik oh, nvm 04:20 Tiktalik axes just aren't a very big speed boost 04:20 VanessaE try a different material 04:20 VanessaE like a mese axe 04:20 Hirato I just downloaded the dreambuilder_game master and it's only a few megabytes, that's a LOT smaller than I remember 04:20 VanessaE Hirato: you can't use the github download link. 04:20 Hirato :o 04:20 VanessaE you have to either clone it --recursive, or use my .zip link. 04:20 Hirato oh... sub modules? 04:20 VanessaE yep. 04:20 VanessaE stupid github 04:20 Hirato kjgfnjkdfgnkjhbl dsgs d 04:21 Hirato so... howcome the mod's name isn't a really bad pun like "Minessa"? :P 04:21 VanessaE because...I wanted something meaningful? :P 04:21 Hirato hahaha 04:21 Tiktalik what's kalite 04:22 Hirato suppose I'll just clone it Directly in ~/.minetest/games 04:22 VanessaE an imaginary ore NekoGloop came up with 04:22 VanessaE Hirato: that should work 04:22 VanessaE I don't remember what kalite does though 04:22 VanessaE I think it's edible 04:22 Hirato it's diet potassium 04:23 Hirato maybe 04:24 Tiktalik um, it's night 04:24 Tiktalik am I going to die horribly now 04:24 Hirato only if there are monster mods 04:24 Hirato I kind of miss the old 3.x monsters 04:24 Tiktalik ow 04:25 Tiktalik i'm going to do my best apparently 04:25 Tiktalik because i just walked off a cliff 04:25 Hirato I like tweaking the physics so I can jump about 2 blocks high and run slightly faster than defaults 04:25 Hirato problem is, you can't tweak the constants for fall damage the same way 04:26 Tiktalik complaint: 04:26 Tiktalik night is too dark 04:26 Hirato it's not that dark provided you're above ground 04:27 Hirato RealBadAngel: have you done much more with the shaders since adding normal/parallax maps? 04:28 VanessaE Tiktalik: build some lighting then :D 04:30 * Tiktalik chops a tree in the dark 04:30 Tiktalik acacia! my nemesis from minecraft >:C 04:30 Tiktalik minetest acacia looks way better, actually 04:31 VanessaE heh 04:32 VanessaE why's it your nemesis? :) 04:32 Tiktalik i'll be blunt 04:32 Tiktalik it looks like complete shit 04:32 VanessaE heh 04:32 Hirato real acacia is pretty poisonous iirc 04:32 VanessaE well at least it looks better in minetest :) 04:33 Tiktalik http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WD7KUwo7m98/maxresdefault.jpg 04:33 Tiktalik from left to right: 04:33 Tiktalik the classic oak, then spruce (added in beta 1.2?), birch (same), then jungle (I forget), then acacia and dark oak (1.8?) 04:33 VanessaE huh 04:33 Tiktalik they kind of forgot about contrast and color at that point 04:34 VanessaE well Dreambuilder has about 15 kinds of trees; the default game has 4 04:34 Hirato when did the default game get trees 3 and 4? 04:34 Hirato I remember regular trees and the jungle trees 04:34 VanessaE some time in the past few months. 04:34 Hirato hah 04:34 Tiktalik VanessaE: http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Granite new vanilla stone variants 04:34 Hirato so they actually do care about adding some content occasionally :D 04:35 Tiktalik http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Diorite 04:35 Tiktalik http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Andesite 04:35 Tiktalik they're very ugly 04:35 Tiktalik as is most everything added post-release 04:35 VanessaE it has regular trees (some sort of apple/walnut hybrid? :P ), "jungle" trees (something like a strangler fig wrapped around a darker center), pine, and acacia. 04:35 Hirato Dio-rite? is there a Jojo-rite to fight it? 04:35 Hirato oh right, forgot about the apple trees 04:35 Tiktalik now that'd be a quality mod 04:35 Tiktalik a mod that lets you craft jojorite that removes all the diorite from the world 04:36 Hirato you craft the jojorite with hamonite 04:37 * Hirato ponders starting over with a clean minetest.conf 04:38 VanessaE Tiktalik: also, don't forget to check out HDX (texture pack). you might like it. 04:39 Tiktalik does minetest have any multiblock structures 04:39 VanessaE multi-block? 04:39 VanessaE you mean like items that span more than one node/ 04:39 Tiktalik like, machines and things you build that take multiple nodes, yeah 04:39 VanessaE oh sure 04:39 Tiktalik like... make a big ol' smeltery out of multiple nodes 04:40 VanessaE Technic mod (similar to redpower2 I'm told), mesecons (like redstone), pipeworks 04:40 Tiktalik also the inventory should really be more clientsided lol 04:40 Tiktalik visually anyway 04:41 VanessaE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioG8OysZyvk 04:41 VanessaE here's an example 04:41 Tiktalik oh, it's buildcraft! 04:41 Tiktalik but not. 04:41 VanessaE I guess so 04:41 Tiktalik but no that's not really what I mean 04:42 VanessaE never having played MC (let alone any mods thereon), I don't know what's the best comparison :) 04:42 Tiktalik http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/tinkers-construct/images/7/7f/Smeltery_complete.png/revision/latest?cb=20130730020423 this is the smeltery from tinkers' construct 04:42 Tiktalik it's a single discrete device 04:42 Tiktalik with a number of arbitrary arrangements 04:42 VanessaE such things are possible in minetest, but I don't know if anyone's made such a thing. 04:43 Tiktalik it requires 1 smeltery controller, 1 lava tank, 1 drain, 1 faucet, and some seared bricks 04:43 Tiktalik it can be made at any height you want, with an internal diameter anywhere from 1 block to 12 blocks wide 04:44 VanessaE there are lots of mods where an item takes more than one node but is treated as one 04:44 Tiktalik the internal capacity affects how many ores you can put in it at a time (1 ore per empty block) 04:44 VanessaE doors are the most obvious 04:44 VanessaE beds 04:44 Tiktalik yeah, but these are all placed separately and work together 04:44 VanessaE some homedecor stuff 04:44 Tiktalik anyway, it melts the ore into liquid metal 04:45 VanessaE technic/pipeworks/mesecons nodes are designed to work together also 04:45 Tiktalik 1 ore = 2 ingots of metal 04:45 Tiktalik the liquid is castable as ingots or tool parts, for the mod's tool system 04:45 Tiktalik or you can put it in whatever kind of liquid storage tank you w ant 04:45 Tiktalik want* 04:45 Tiktalik since thankfully, there IS at least a common fluid API 04:46 VanessaE pipeworks' handling of liquids kinda sucks 04:47 VanessaE (the tubes therein, what you saw in the video, work with anything, but the metal pipes only work with watee) 04:47 VanessaE (water*) 04:48 Tiktalik AAAH 04:48 Tiktalik this 04:48 VanessaE Z? 04:48 VanessaE ? 04:48 Tiktalik this evil tree thing 04:48 Tiktalik attacked me underground 04:48 VanessaE HAH! 04:48 VanessaE yep, that's a tree monster :D 04:48 VanessaE did I forget to mention Dreambuilder has the carbone_mobs mod? :D 04:49 * Tiktalik is giggling now 04:49 Tiktalik holy shit, that's literally the first time a blocky game has scared me in ages 04:49 VanessaE sounds like I did something right :"D 04:49 VanessaE what do you think of all the foliage? 04:49 Tiktalik i was out all night pretty much unmolested, so I didn't expect any hostile mobs 04:50 VanessaE yeah, for reasons I am not clear on, Calinou set them to only spawn underground. 04:50 VanessaE the peaceful ones spawn above-ground though (just sheep and rats at present) 04:51 Tiktalik minetest could really use a minimap, lol 04:51 VanessaE F9 04:51 Tiktalik oh 04:51 Tiktalik well 04:51 Tiktalik does it record where you've been? 04:51 VanessaE nope 04:51 VanessaE not precisely 04:51 VanessaE it just displays the map data that's loaded 04:51 VanessaE interesting feature idea though. 04:52 VanessaE propose it on the minetest github pagee 04:52 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/new 04:52 Tiktalik yeah, minecraft has this map mod that maps everywhere you've been on the surface 04:53 VanessaE also, shift-F9 switches map styles (the other style being square, with a rotating arrow) 04:54 VanessaE and multiple presses of F9 (without shift) change the minimap scale and switch between surface mode and radar mode 04:54 Tiktalik waypoints? 05:01 Tiktalik hmm 05:01 Tiktalik VanessaE, are there any magic mods for Minetest? 05:01 VanessaE magic? 05:01 Tiktalik shit, I guess not 05:02 VanessaE not really sure, "magic" covers a lot of ground 05:02 Tiktalik eh, y'know 05:02 VanessaE waypoints, btw, are like markers of map locations 05:02 Tiktalik crafting magic stuff, wands and things 05:02 Hirato probably means stuff like CASTING MAGIC MISSILE AT THE DARKNESS! 05:02 VanessaE you walk somewhere, set a waypoint, then later on you can see what direction it's in and how far 05:02 Tiktalik other nonscientific nonsense 05:02 VanessaE oh I'm sure there are mods like that 05:02 VanessaE I'm not sure though 05:03 Hirato or liek starbound's MAGICAL SPACE STAFF OF SCIENCE MAGIC 05:03 Tiktalik nop 05:03 Tiktalik starbound does have a good inventory system though 05:03 Tiktalik everyone should rip it off 05:03 Hirato please no 05:03 Tiktalik what, tabs for resources, tools/usable items, and furniture isn't awesome? 05:04 Tiktalik VanessaE: anyway, thaumcraft is a pretty neat minecraft mod, you actually have to research stuff before you can craft it 05:04 Hirato that came much later 05:04 Hirato it's more than there are millions of different block types that vary only slightly in colour 05:04 Hirato and putting these in containers or otherwise sorting them is incredibly cumbersome 05:04 Tiktalik hey I said inventory system 05:04 Tiktalik not amount of block types 05:05 Hirato you can't discuss the inventory system without inventory management, and Starbound's is very cumbersome :p 05:06 Tiktalik do my eyes decieve me, or does minetest use 18x18 textures 05:07 Hirato I'd have expected 16x16 05:07 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kwolekr -> 03minetest/minetest: Refactor Thread class to improve readability and portability 13765a834 http://git.io/vC5o8 (152015-10-16T23:43:29-04:00) 05:07 VanessaE Tiktalik: 16x16 05:07 VanessaE but HDX goes up to 512px if you have the hardware fortitude for it 05:07 Tiktalik my eyes decieve me >:( 05:07 Hirato I'd trying for 512px.. still cloning :D 05:07 Hirato probably should've done a --depth 1 too 05:08 Tiktalik ... 05:08 Tiktalik wow 05:08 Tiktalik this chest background is funky 05:08 VanessaE heh 05:08 Tiktalik hey Hirato, suggestion 05:08 Tiktalik hold shift while crafting to craft as much as you can 05:09 Tiktalik unless there's some function to do that I missed, it'd be a whole lot nicer than having to click a bunch to get lotsa wood 05:09 Hirato ? 05:09 Hirato right click, just like mc 05:09 Hirato or am i thinking of terraria... 05:09 VanessaE middle-click crafts 10, btw. 05:10 VanessaE Tiktalik: file that shift-click idea on the issue report page I linked to. that would also be useful. 05:10 VanessaE we have list-rings already 05:11 Hirato oh right, right click halves stack size... 05:11 VanessaE (shift-click item in inventory --> whole stack goes to the chest) 05:11 Tiktalik is alatro good 05:11 VanessaE list-rings work for some things; just depends on mod support 05:11 VanessaE I don't remember the qualities of those weird ores ;) 05:12 Tiktalik WOW, YOUR MOBS ARE REALLY BAD 05:12 Tiktalik capslock 05:12 VanessaE bad as in evil? 05:12 VanessaE or as in they suck? :) 05:12 Tiktalik both 05:12 Hirato huehuehue 05:12 VanessaE heh 05:13 VanessaE well much of that is minetest's bad handling of MOBs in general (they're entirely server-side, so they can be laggy) 05:13 VanessaE the rest is a matter of writing good code in the mod that supplies them 05:13 Tiktalik they should be knocked back by attacks and unable to attack through blocks :P 05:13 Tiktalik also 05:13 Tiktalik http://ftbwiki.org/images/3/37/T4-thaumonomicon.png 05:13 Tiktalik screenshot of the thauminomicon 05:13 Tiktalik thaumcraft's in-game reference guide 05:14 VanessaE MT doesn't have a knock-back feature for MOBs as far as I am aware. 05:14 Tiktalik sheesh, yeah it probably should 05:14 Tiktalik getting cornered is ridiculously painful 05:14 Tiktalik i must bed,though 05:15 VanessaE heh 05:15 VanessaE ok 05:15 VanessaE yell at Calinou also 05:15 VanessaE he coded the MOBs mod I'm using 05:16 Tiktalik_ why do you capitalize mob? 05:16 VanessaE because that's actually the proper case. 05:16 Tiktalik_ oh. 05:16 VanessaE Movable Object Block 05:16 VanessaE coined some time in the late 70's or early 80's. 05:17 VanessaE back in ancient times, when we only had sprites. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(computer_graphics) 05:17 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kwolekr -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix missing include on AIX 136ba9d65 http://git.io/vC5Kv (152015-10-17T01:16:17-04:00) 05:17 Qwertie How do I get minetestserver to run in the background? 05:17 VanessaE Qwertie: nohup minetestserver --other --options --here & 05:18 Tiktalik_ I thought it was Mobile OBject, though 05:18 Qwertie Thanks VanessaE 05:18 Tiktalik_ of course, not like minetest can't use its own term 05:18 VanessaE that's not minetest's term I'm using. rather, Commodore's. 05:19 Tiktalik_ anyway I probably have a billion little quality of life improvements to suggest 05:19 VanessaE please do suggest them 05:19 VanessaE either against the engine or against the various mods that supply related features 05:20 Tiktalik_ I may also make my own magic mod, because it's a shame if you can't cast magic missile to attack the darkness 05:20 VanessaE heh 05:20 VanessaE the effect of a successful attack? /time 8000 :D 05:20 Tiktalik_ incidentally, thaumcraft is probably the minecraft mod with the highest production values 05:21 Tiktalik_ the sprites are amazing 05:21 Tiktalik_ and it's been completely rewritten four times 05:23 Qwertie VanessaE, Should I be getting "nohup: ignoring input and appending output to ‘nohup.out’"? 05:23 VanessaE yes 05:23 Tiktalik_ it's good because it's ancient and the author wasn't afraid to mix it up 05:23 VanessaE now you can close the terminal (with ctrl-D) 05:23 Tiktalik_ hmm 05:23 VanessaE Qwertie: bear in mind that minetest does not auto-restart if it crashes/exits 05:24 Tiktalik_ vanessaE, can items have more properties than damage? 05:24 VanessaE you need to run it inside a keepalive script like this one: http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/Server-scripts/start-minetestserver.sh 05:24 Tiktalik_ like 05:24 Tiktalik_ could I make a, um 05:24 Tiktalik_ single item that can be made multiple ways 05:24 VanessaE Tiktalik_: er... 05:24 Tiktalik_ and have different effects depending on what was used to make it 05:25 VanessaE well you can fake it 05:25 Tiktalik_ like, with statistics dependant on parts 05:25 Tiktalik_ or would I need a separate item for each combination 05:26 VanessaE you could define several versions of a node (a block/plant/etc) or entity (MOB/dropped item/etc) where each has some quality changed I guess 05:26 VanessaE but some things can be changed on demand 05:26 Tiktalik_ okay, hmm 05:26 VanessaE https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt 05:27 Tiktalik_ let me explain better 05:28 VanessaE damage is described here, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L1249 05:28 VanessaE other object properties here; https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/doc/lua_api.txt#L2473 05:28 Tiktalik_ okay, so let's say I have a multitool item 05:28 Tiktalik_ is there a way I could, say... hmm 05:29 Tiktalik_ ok. let's say it does a certain thing, like 05:29 Tiktalik_ you click with it and it outputs a beam 05:30 Tiktalik_ could you make it do different things if it had like, certain items in an internal inventory or something 05:32 Tiktalik_ and could the texture be altered too? 05:33 Tiktalik_ vanessaE: is that possible, or is the api not flexible enough 05:33 VanessaE the texture can be altered on demand, yes 05:33 VanessaE and mobs can have an "internal" inventory too I think 05:33 Tiktalik_ I mean the first thing, though 05:34 Tiktalik_ I don't mean a mob 05:34 Tiktalik_ I mean an item 05:34 VanessaE outputs a beam? 05:34 VanessaE items too 05:34 Tiktalik_ second, sorry 05:34 VanessaE items == MOBs as far as minetest is concerned. 05:34 Tiktalik_ does something based on what's inside of it 05:34 VanessaE I think that's possible, yes 05:34 Tiktalik_ what kind of stuff can you store in the player 05:34 VanessaE I don't remember :) 05:35 VanessaE it's not a feature I've worked with 05:35 Tiktalik_ can you add variables to their save? 05:35 Tiktalik_ oh, ok 05:35 VanessaE metadata maybe? 05:35 VanessaE (not sure if that works for entities or not) 05:35 VanessaE (nodes do, though) 05:35 Tiktalik_ hmm, ok 05:37 Tiktalik_ well, as long as I can give an item more properties than damage I'm probably good 05:38 Tiktalik_ I'll try it later sometime 05:38 Tiktalik_ and if I find the API lacking I'll whine 05:39 VanessaE well they can have an inventory anyway 05:40 Tiktalik_ worst case I come up with some different design ideas 05:42 Tiktalik_ see, I was thinking there's this mc mod called ars magica where you can put together spells with differing effects by putting together various parts, kind of like a simple form of in-game scripting 05:43 Tiktalik_ and my wondering was if something slightly similar bit on a much lesser level was possible 05:43 Tiktalik_ but* 05:44 paramat VanessaE 'spawn l tree' includes 'updateLighting' so was not meant to be used rapidly multiple times during mapgen, obviously there only needs to be a single lighting update after a chunk's worth of l-trees have generated. the unnecessary multiple lighting updates cause shadows and makes moretrees slow 05:45 paramat 'default grow tree' has the same problem 05:45 Tiktalik_ paramat, would you happen to know if something like I described is theoretically possible? 05:46 paramat it's not really a bug more a risky mod behaviour, however new code is needed yes 05:46 Hirato the sooner we can realtime lighting, the better 05:46 VanessaE paramat: actually it WAS meant to be used rapidly at mapgen time 05:47 paramat i'm no good with item stuff, i'm a mapgen guy 05:47 Tiktalik_ kk 05:47 Tiktalik_ actually, better question to start with 05:47 paramat VanessaE okay well it is coded wrong then 05:47 VanessaE paramat: yep, seems so 05:47 Tiktalik_ can you make a pickaxe that mines say, 3x3? 05:48 VanessaE Tiktalik_: yes. 05:48 VanessaE technic mining laser mk3 does that 05:48 Tiktalik_ okay, then that's enough for a reasonable start 05:49 paramat a version of 'spawn l tree' without a lighting update is needed, that then perhaps inserts the tree into the LVM 05:49 Tiktalik_ I think I'll dig further into what kind of stuff minetest has for mods before I really start 05:49 Tiktalik_ making my own 05:53 VanessaE paramat: ehm.. 05:54 VanessaE paramat: insert the tree into a LVM? how does that help mods that don't use LVMs? :) 05:54 Tiktalik_ maybe I'll make a mod that adds guns 05:54 Tiktalik_ everyone needs a tasteful flintlock pistol 05:54 paramat sure, well you could use the LVM as the way to add the trees. however it could be done another way 05:55 VanessaE paramat: more to the point though, if it works for mgv6, shouldn't the same method of loading the extra mapblocks work for mgv7? 05:55 paramat exactly it's mysterious 05:55 paramat can't see how mgv7 would cause more shadows 05:55 VanessaE I mean, cache all the blocks that should be loaded, and all the lighting updates, then sort+uniq and execute them after say 1 second or something 05:56 VanessaE s/them/the lighting updates/ 05:56 paramat yeah 05:56 VanessaE thing is:" 05:56 VanessaE moretrees goes through biome_lib, 05:56 VanessaE which means that by default, it doesn't generate trees at mapgen time, strictly speaking. 05:56 VanessaE it adds them a few seconds after the mapblock has been generated. 05:57 VanessaE ("deferred generation"; same is true for all other items that get added to the map via that mod, regardless of mapgen type) 05:58 paramat the very tall trees won't fit in the LVM, perhaps an api to update lighting over a chosen large volume a few seconds after mapgen 05:58 VanessaE that is to say, they're added during an on_globalstep(), not during register_on_generated() 05:59 paramat yeah 05:59 VanessaE so what MIGHT be happening is when a tree is added, the mapgen just doesn't bother to pre-generate the space above it 06:00 VanessaE it only seems to happen to trees that are far enough away that those upper blocks haven't had time to generate yet; seems like if it pops up close enough to the player and there's no shadow 06:00 VanessaE -and 06:03 paramat that should only affect trees that pass y = 47 though, odd 06:04 VanessaE yeah 06:05 VanessaE I'm pretty sure a palm tree on the beach doesn't go that high :) 06:05 VanessaE (more like 15m or something) 06:07 swift110-phone Hey guys 06:07 paramat so, moretrees is complex and has a risky, slow method, luckily it's not too bad in mgv6, mgv7 is somehow more sensitive and is complaining 06:08 VanessaE well 06:08 VanessaE to be fair 06:08 VanessaE it's not any more risky than set_node() 06:09 VanessaE it's just calling spawn_tree() a bunch of times, picking from a set of about 15 different tree models/defs 06:09 VanessaE but once it makes that call, it does nothing else about the tree; biome_lib moves on to the next populating step 06:10 maximinus Can anyone help with a (simple?) problem. I'm trying to learn how to write mods, and yet the simplest possible mod in the tutorial is not working. The mod appears in the list of mods when I run the game, yet it seems that init.lua is not being run. There are no error messages in the log. 06:12 VanessaE did you configure your world and enable it? 06:15 maximinus was that to me? 06:18 maximinus VanessaE: No I hadn't... thanks. It seems that simple step is not in the tutorial! 06:19 VanessaE !next 06:19 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 06:27 swift110-phone Hmm 06:27 swift110-phone Do trees regrow 06:28 VanessaE no 06:28 VanessaE saplings do, though 06:29 swift110-phone So if i cut down a tree saplings will sprout in its place? 06:29 swift110-phone Or do u have to find saplings 06:32 VanessaE cut leaves to get saplings. 06:49 swift110-phone Hmm 06:51 Qwertie How do you fly in minetest? I have the perms 06:53 nrzkt f 06:54 Qwertie And to disable it? 06:54 nrzkt f 06:54 Qwertie Its stuck on for me 06:55 Qwertie Ah got it. The key was k 06:55 nrzkt oh sorry :) 08:47 MinetestBot 02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Default/trees: Add requirement of light level 13 for sapling growth 13ef8b7e2 http://git.io/vC5NT (152015-10-17T09:41:17+01:00) 09:05 Xeprione hello 09:07 VanessaE hi. 09:08 Xeprione oh hey VanessaE. wanna hear a joke? 09:09 Xeprione Two hackers are talking on the phone. One of them sais to the other: "Hey, look at your bank account.", so the other looks at it and sais "So, what about it?". "Now look again" 09:12 VanessaE [off] um. yeah. 09:21 crazyR_ **puzzled** 09:54 WSDguy2014 Hello Guys, i have bad news 09:55 WSDguy2014 previously, im playing minetest on VoidPixel server, i got banned from my IP, forever :( 09:55 WSDguy2014 Hello Darcidride, you from VoidPixel Server? 09:55 VanessaE why'd you get banned? 09:56 WSDguy2014 in VoidPixel server, because i got banned from my IP, forever. Player "Clouds" is Owner of VoidPixel server 09:57 Darcidride Hi, no Darcidride=MinetestForFun 09:58 Xack WSDguy2014: there's nothing we ca do here 09:58 Xack *can 09:58 Darcidride A player still my name ? 09:58 Darcidride A player stole my name ?* 09:58 WSDguy2014 join VoidPixel server (required passowrd), if player Cloud is online, say "Why you banned player "WSDguy2014"? Please, unban player "WSDguy2014"". i love this Voidpixel server 09:59 Xack uh 09:59 Xack ask them on the forums 09:59 Xack or wherever you found the server 09:59 WSDguy2014 at public server 09:59 Xack really, depending on the nature of "cloud" it might just get more people banned 09:59 Xack WSDguy2014: google the name, find forum post 10:00 Calinou use site:forum.minetest.net 10:00 WSDguy2014 find server "VoidPixel" 10:00 Xack yes, thanks Calinou :) 10:00 Xack and hi 10:00 Calinou else you may be more likely to find where Rainbow Dash lives rather than the server admin 10:00 Calinou hi 10:00 Xack heh 10:00 WSDguy2014 i cannot register in minetest forum 10:00 Xack WSDguy2014: why not? 10:00 Xack also just google it 10:00 Xack "voidpixel" site:forum.minetest.net, as calinou suggested 10:04 Calinou DuckDuckGo it ;) 10:05 WSDguy2014 Calinou, are you joined server "VoidPixel"? 10:06 Qwertie Is there any way to get --logfile on minetestserver to start at the end of the existing logfile? 10:07 WSDguy2014 Qwertie, to unban my player "WSDguy2014"? 10:07 Qwertie What? 10:09 WSDguy2014 Idk, its unbaning my player nickname "WSDguy2014" on IP? 10:20 WSDguy2014 ok, bye guys, it won't unbanning me on voidpixel server :''( 10:20 Calinou no, I haven't 12:01 Ingar mmmm mining sounds like knocking on a door 12:05 Krock AoE II has good sounds.. sadly proprietary. 12:06 Ingar I could try to make a footsteps sound set 12:08 Ingar I didn't toy around with minetets before though :) 12:08 Krock neightbours might wonder why someone is pounding on the floor 12:12 Ingar I'd have to wait till tonight anyway 12:13 Ingar too much background noise 12:13 Krock Trolling at night is evil 12:16 Ingar audio recording implies a bit of trolling and a bunch of weird shit 12:18 Ingar I have a bunch of sounds here http://ingar.satgnu.net/files/gtkradiant/ but nothing rly suitable ;) 12:56 Ingar how do I activate mods ? 12:57 Puka_ configure at main screen, then enable 12:58 Ingar oh the defaults are already loaded? 12:58 Puka_ yes 12:58 Ingar <_< 13:17 Calinou Krock, take sounds from 0 A.D.? 13:17 Calinou also, hi Ingar 13:17 exio4 Calinou: ping! do you know other sites like OGA? 13:17 Ingar hello Calinou :) 13:17 Ingar Calinou: I have a tascam sound recorder 13:17 Krock Calinou, I haven't played it yet but it also seems to contain sounds we could use :) 13:17 Calinou exio4, no, not really 13:18 Calinou it's pretty much the only site with ehm... open game art 13:18 Calinou there's BlendSwap too but less targeted at games 13:18 Calinou http://blendswap.com/ 13:18 Calinou mostly 3D models/textures 13:18 Calinou also for textures: Nobiax, Yves Allaire, PhilipK make libre textures 13:18 exio4 .. and my little game happens to be 2D :P 13:18 Calinou (PhilipK worked on Natural Selection 2 btw) 13:18 Calinou his texture sets can be found in that game 13:19 Calinou sadly, Rygel's textures don't appear to have a proper license attached :( 13:19 Calinou (the world textures you can find in Quake Epsilon; very good quality) 13:22 Calinou exio4, http://www.blendswap.com/blends/view/62439 best model ever 13:22 exio4 btw, what I needed was a german swearing, I want to make it obvious that you are a nazi soldier without saying it directly in the game 13:25 Calinou exio4, http://users.kymp.net/feuer/etcomic/045.jpg 13:25 exio4 it's a top-down shooter, any gameplay tips? 13:25 Calinou make him say that: "Hello, Axis helpdesk employee here." 13:26 exio4 10 minutes remaining for that comic 13:26 exio4 using 2g rn 13:50 FreeFull Is there a jungle biome if I generate a world with v7? 13:50 FreeFull I can only find icy and grassy biomes 14:27 paramat FreeFull there is rainforest in mgv7 (assuming 0.4.13) you may have to search for a few 1000 nodes 14:27 paramat in 0.4.13 stable biomes are big, i recently made them a little smaller 14:30 paramat there are 10 biomes https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?p=188275#p188275 14:32 Ingar is biome terrain generation linked to the climate ? 14:33 paramat yeah determined by heat and humidity noises 14:34 Ingar I kinda miss how the old mc generator could do stuff like sand mountains and all that 14:40 paramat old as in MT v0.3? 14:40 Ingar donno, I didn't play old MT only old MC 14:41 Ingar mm I did test one of the early mt releases 14:41 Ingar but only briefly 14:42 FreeFull paramat: Thanks 14:43 luizrpgluiz It would be great if the modders community joins minetest developer community and reviewing the development in the main language of the game 14:45 paramat mgv5 is (roughly) the old mapgen used in MTv0.3 14:45 Ingar I need to finish digging my hole on my current map first :p 14:51 FreeFull I need a jungle because that's the only legit way to get cotton 14:52 FreeFull Although I'm not really doing things legit since I'm flying around right now 14:53 FreeFull Huh, this biome is new 14:56 FreeFull Ok, it's just a little arid island with a lot of papyrus 15:10 FreeFull Come ooon, I just need one bit of jungle grass 15:15 FreeFull paramat: It'd be neat if dungeons spawned chests with goodies 15:16 paramat that might happen 15:17 paramat rainforest is in hot areas, next to savanna which is next to desert 15:18 paramat but it's also down to luck 15:19 FreeFull paramat: I'm skirting the edge of a desert right now 15:19 FreeFull Been looking around savannas but no luck there 15:23 FreeFull Another savanna with no jungle next to it 15:25 FreeFull FINALLY 15:25 * paramat is relieved 15:26 paramat mgv7 is more challenging, sometimes you need to explore a lot to get certain resources 15:27 nm0i Just cheat! 15:27 paramat 0.4.13 stable? 15:28 paramat biomes are 2/3 the size now 15:35 FreeFull I'm using the latest git 15:36 paramat ah good 15:37 FreeFull The jungle is about 5000 blocks away 15:37 FreeFull Had to fly for a while to find it 15:37 FreeFull Oh, 4143.9m apparently 15:39 Tiktalik ... 15:39 Tiktalik freefull. 15:39 Tiktalik hi. 15:42 paramat hm 5kn is a lot, but this can't be avoided, biomes would become too small 15:42 FreeFull Hi Tiktalik 15:43 FreeFull paramat: Could make things less random, but that'd be more boring too 15:44 paramat well noise is always random, i could though adjust the humidity point of rainforest to make it more common 15:45 paramat .. make it and desert slightly larger, and savanna slightly smaller 15:48 paramat but then, perhaps the randomness was just against you with this seed 16:00 Tiktalik hmm 16:00 Tiktalik what should i do now 16:00 Tiktalik FreeFull: I remember your name 16:05 FreeFull Tiktalik: I remember yours too 16:19 Tiktalik FreeFull: what kind of fun and interesting stuff should i do in minetest 16:24 MinetestBot 02[git] 04Rui914 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix == to = 1306e5d0f http://git.io/vCFCd (152015-10-17T17:20:58+01:00) 16:26 FreeFull Tiktalik: Waterfall castle 17:00 Tiktalik naaaah 17:00 Tiktalik i'm gonna mod this sucker 17:11 Ingar awesome caves 17:13 Tiktalik hey VanessaE, you here? 17:16 Krock Tiktalik, stone mountains using water + lava bucket 17:16 Tiktalik Krock: it's too late, the moddening has started 17:17 Krock moddening? 17:17 Tiktalik yes 17:17 Tiktalik the moddening 17:48 Tiktalik um 17:49 Tiktalik Krock: have you ever made a mod 17:49 Krock http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/modSearch.php?st=1&at=0&q=Krock 17:49 Krock Decide self if that's a yes or not 17:50 Tiktalik do you have any clue why my textures are showing up as having a white background despite being transparent 17:50 Tiktalik wait, nevermind 17:50 Tiktalik saved with wrong bit depth 17:51 Krock use_texture_alpha = true 17:51 Krock in your node definition 17:55 Tiktalik thanks Krock, though I figured out my problem :P 17:55 Krock good to hear 17:55 Krock !next 17:55 MinetestBot Another satisfied customer. Next! 20:07 MinetestBot 02[git] 04PilzAdam -> 03minetest/minetest: New settings tab contain all possible settings 13006ef5b http://git.io/vCbLd (152015-10-17T22:06:29+02:00) 20:12 Krock \o/ a better setting tab 20:13 Krock Good job, PilzAdam! 20:13 Viper Hi, what is difference between minetest_next and minetest_game? 20:14 Krock Viper, MTG is newer and contains all _next features 20:14 Viper Krock: so i can replace minetest_game with minetest_next? 20:15 Krock Viper, the other way would be better IMO 20:15 Viper Krock: i use minetest_game already, thinking to switch to next 20:16 Krock Ah I see the _next got some updates.. just use both 20:16 * Krock is confused to have the setting change formspec buttons in the order of [Cancel][Save] - normally it would be the other way 20:22 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Re-add "file" type for --add-location for xgettext call 136b40824 http://git.io/vCbYG (152015-10-17T22:20:47+02:00) 21:58 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kahrl -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix GUITable selection issues with trees 13c4d1862 http://git.io/vCbur (152015-10-17T23:57:28+02:00)