Time Nick Message 04:46 swift110 hey all 04:48 MinetestBot 02[git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/minetest: Remove explicit syslog printing for uncaught exceptions on Android 13659922f http://git.io/vCizn (152015-10-15T00:47:43-04:00) 04:57 waressearcher2 is there minetest for Fire OS ? 05:00 waressearcher2 or are there plans to make one ? 05:01 swift110 doubt it 05:16 MinetestBot 02[git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/minetest: Clean up gettext initialization 13e067cea http://git.io/vCiV1 (152015-10-15T01:16:10-04:00) 05:16 MinetestBot 02[git] 04ShadowNinja -> 03minetest/minetest: Use warningstream for deprecated field messages and refactor log_deprecated 137b8d372 http://git.io/vCiVM (152015-10-15T01:14:38-04:00) 05:33 MinetestBot 02[git] 04kwolekr -> 03minetest/minetest: Add BufReader and vector-based serialization methods 131a5b4b3 http://git.io/vCirb (152015-10-15T01:31:31-04:00) 05:33 blaise sup 05:48 MinetestBot 02[git] 04MoNTE48 -> 03minetest/minetest: Compress textures and fonts 135d88501 http://git.io/vCi6O (152015-10-15T01:45:59-04:00) 06:13 blaise sure is quiet in here 06:16 blaise lol 06:39 kaeza o/ 07:03 blaise o/ 07:39 swift110-phone2 Hey guys 07:41 kaeza o/ 07:41 swift110-phone2 How r u kaeza 08:15 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Thursday, and happy Conflict Resolution Day! 😃 08:15 VanessaE kaeza: you changed your forum avatar! :( 08:15 VanessaE morning, James 08:16 JamesTait 👋 VanessaE 08:17 kaeza VanessaE, ⌐■_■08:25 swift110-phone2 Morning 08:40 swift110-phone2 Lol 08:40 VanessaE ? 08:41 swift110-phone How r u vanessae 08:41 VanessaE I'm ok. 08:41 swift110-phone I loled in the wrong room lol 08:45 swift110-phone2 Good to hear 08:45 swift110-phone2 What ya up too 08:45 VanessaE just reading. 08:46 swift110-phone2 Thats cool 08:46 swift110-phone2 Me too 09:06 CWz hey VanessaE 09:11 VanessaE hi 09:47 waressearcher2 JamesTait: what is the tomorrow day ? 09:48 JamesTait Tomorrow is Friday! 😃 09:48 waressearcher2 no is that a day of what ? 09:49 waressearcher2 give some spoilers 09:49 Calinou trollday 09:49 waressearcher2 Calinou: day of the company that created QT framework ? 09:49 Calinou heh 09:49 JamesTait Blimey, tomorrow is packed! 09:49 Calinou I wonder how a company could seriously be called "Trolltech" 09:51 JamesTait Boss' Day; Steve Jobs Day; Dictionary Day; Department Store Day (srsly?); Feral Cat Day (!??!?); World Food Day. 09:52 JamesTait According to a so-called "Geek Calendar" I subscribed to, today is Ada Lovelace Day, but I thought that was the other day? 09:53 JamesTait http://findingada.com/ seems to agree with me. 10:55 VanessaE sfan5: *poke* 10:55 Jordach meow 10:55 Jordach ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 10:55 VanessaE sfan5: I finally put your collectstatic.sh script into use... http://minetest.digitalaudioconcepts.com/server-media/ 10:56 sfan5 did it work 10:56 VanessaE yep after a couple changes 10:57 VanessaE I split it into http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/Server-scripts/collectstatic.sh (to handle the file naming) and http://digitalaudioconcepts.com/vanessa/hobbies/minetest/Server-scripts/build-media-dirs.sh (to handle putting them all together into one dir so as to avoid dupes) 11:18 * Calinou slowpokes people, instead of poking them 11:21 waressearcher2 !g smallpox 11:21 MinetestBot waressearcher2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallpox 11:29 VanessaE sfan5: since each file is named for its sha1 hash, isn't there some way to turn that hash into the binary form that index.mth needs? 11:31 sfan5 VanessaE: of course there is, but what would that help with? 11:32 VanessaE well in your script you cat through all the files twice - once to create the filename, and then a second time to get the sha1 digest of the same files 11:35 VanessaE looks like I could just echo the text hash | openssl dgst -binary -sha1 11:39 VanessaE hm, nope. 11:40 sfan5 openssl dgst -binary -sha1 hashes the input and outputs the sha1 hash as binary 12:00 VanessaE ah, got i t. 12:01 VanessaE echo -ne hex_hash |xxd -r -p - >binary_file 12:02 VanessaE (didn't realize xxd could do that) 12:07 VanessaE hm, or not. 12:11 crazyR hey all :D 12:14 VanessaE hi 12:45 swift110-phone2 Hi 13:12 VanessaE sfan5: the above 'echo' method works. oddly, it's not any faster than hashing the files again O_o 13:12 VanessaE (must be system caching at this point) 13:13 VanessaE (if you reload the "build-..." link, you'll see it in practice) 13:27 cessna151 wiki account plz... Thx! https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=10473 13:29 kaeza Calinou, ^ 13:35 Xeprione hello 13:38 Calinou https://lut.im/rGleW98Fm8/N6hrprfbYLWfzltX.png 13:38 Calinou texturing stuff 13:39 Xeprione looks not loaded 13:39 Xeprione i mean it's still loading :D 13:41 Xeprione hey Calinou 13:41 Xeprione do you know any place where i could host my blog for free? 13:41 Calinou GitHub 13:41 Calinou it has a Pages service, where you write your blog using Jekyll 13:42 Calinou (or static HTML, or another static site generator) 13:42 Calinou you get a subdomain xxxxx.github.io 13:42 Calinou with your nickname 13:42 Calinou minetest.net is hosted on GitHub Pages for instance 13:42 Calinou (it uses a CNAME to link the domain to minetest.github.io) 13:43 Xeprione woah, did not know that :O 13:43 Calinou this means you can't use a PHP back-end though 13:43 Calinou no database, no "CMS"... 13:43 Calinou but for many uses, if you know HTML/CSS/JS, it's not a problem 13:43 Xeprione so, no Wordpress? 13:44 Calinou no, you can't use WordPress 13:44 Calinou you can't use any back-end code 13:44 Calinou only front-end 13:44 Xeprione ok 13:44 Calinou this doesn't mean your pages can't be dynamic, you can still use client-side JavaScript to make some things dynamic 13:44 Xeprione wait, what does minetest use for the minetest forums then? 13:44 Calinou the forums are hosted on celeron55' VPS 13:44 Xeprione oh ok 13:44 Calinou it used to use nearlyfreespeech too 13:47 Xeprione fuck it, imma use github for a static blog... :P 13:50 Xeprione oh and Calinou, i know i'm allowed to edit minetest's source code, but am i allowed to make my own forks for it, that *might* include some features, that make it easier for the user to play? 13:50 Xeprione like a lot easier 13:50 Xeprione (i mean with hacks) 13:50 Xeprione i'm allowed to do that, right? :D 13:51 est31 Xeprione, everybody can fork minetest 13:52 Xeprione i know that 13:52 est31 as long as you are compliant with its license 13:52 Xeprione it will 13:52 Xeprione but my question isn't that... 13:52 Xeprione my question was if i am allowed to make forks with cheats :D 13:52 Xeprione as many as it's possible on the client-side 13:53 Xeprione like, i've seen that when i used CheatEngine, speedhack worked 13:53 Xeprione so the speed of the player isn't really calculated by the server 13:53 est31 it is 13:53 Xeprione which means it's possible to make it 13:53 Xeprione wait, the speed IS calculated by the server? 13:53 est31 yes and no 13:54 Xeprione by calculating it, i mean does the client send the direction of the player to the server and then the server moves the player a certain distance 13:54 Xeprione or does the player move, then send the new location to the server? 13:54 Xeprione if it's the second one, speedhack should work 13:56 CWz This could really make some server admins really livid 13:56 Xeprione i know :D 13:56 Xeprione but did you know that... 13:57 Xeprione in order to fix security exploits 13:57 Xeprione one has to first find one 13:57 CWz yes 13:57 Xeprione so i think, i might be on to something here 13:57 Xeprione i'll make that client for testing 13:57 Xeprione and then maybe change the server code to fix that 13:58 kaeza but sometimes, it's hard to justify "to find security exploits" while you steal a million dollars in the proces ;) 13:58 kaeza +s 13:58 Xeprione depends 13:58 CWz hmm 13:58 Xeprione if you give all of the money back, the company will probably hire you 13:58 Xeprione and won't press charges 13:59 Xeprione that's just my opinion 13:59 CWz minecraft has a noclip anti cheat by default maybe i would be possible to figure how it works and then implement it to minetest 14:00 Xeprione do it 14:00 Xeprione oh btw, download intellij 14:00 Xeprione it has a java decompiler 14:00 Xeprione (wink wink) 14:00 Xeprione the source code is obfuscated... 14:00 Xeprione but i mean, if you're up for it, do it :D 14:00 Xeprione yolo :D 14:02 CWz [off] w_laenger has a cheating client he maybe useful 14:03 Xeprione what? crap, i thought i was gonna be the first to think about it.... but i'll still give it a shot after i finish pixelbird 2 14:04 est31 minecraft's anti-cheat is dead simple, but it requires additional computation by the server 14:05 est31 (at least what Calinou told me about the anti cheat feature, never played minecraft myself, or read about that anticheat) 14:06 Xeprione well, how about i try to make a fork of the server, that will include the anti-cheat feature 14:06 Xeprione for those who want it 14:07 CWz minecraft also has a bukkit mod called NocheatPlus which has lots of anti cheating stuff 14:07 est31 but Xeprione if you have looked at the source code of minecraft, then its bad 14:07 est31 you know, copyright enfringement and so on 14:07 est31 in* 14:10 est31 if you haven't, feel free to give it a try. 14:10 Calinou yes, it is fully server-side 14:10 CWz [off] Microsoft will come after ya with there den of hungry ribbed lawyers who feast on human blood 14:11 Xeprione_ i'm back, what did i miss 14:11 est31 http://lotrgames.wikia.com/wiki/Nazgul#Behind_the_Scenes 14:11 CWz Xeprione_: nothing that i am aware of 14:11 Calinou Xeprione_, you are allowed to make cheats btw 14:11 Calinou but don't complain if you get banned :D 14:12 Xeprione_ ok :D 14:12 est31 but Xeprione if you have looked at the source code of minecraft, then its bad 14:12 est31 you know, copyright enfringement and so on 14:12 est31 in* 14:12 Xeprione_ so on* 14:12 Xeprione_ not in 14:12 est31 infringement 14:12 est31 not enfringement 14:12 Xeprione_ oh 14:13 Xeprione_ i thought you meant so in :D 14:13 est31 :) 14:13 CWz making simple cheats in minetest is easy as screwing up a pie receipt no need for c++ knowledge just knowning how the syntax works is enough 14:13 Xeprione_ yes, but what if i also make a wallhack? :D 14:13 Xeprione_ useless, because usernames are visible 14:13 Xeprione_ but for fun :D 14:13 est31 wallhack?? 14:14 Xeprione_ it's a hack/cheat with what you can see people through walls 14:14 est31 ah 14:14 CWz what about block nuker? 14:14 Xeprione_ a block what-er? 14:14 est31 this is what all the people demand 14:14 est31 ability to do wallhacks 14:14 Calinou it's possible to make: wallhack, partial god mode (against fall and per-second damage), noclip, speedhack (servers with anti-cheat disabled) 14:14 Calinou aimbot obviously 14:15 est31 https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/1345 14:15 Dead_Thinker Hi, sorry to ask, but is this a dev channel mostly? 14:15 Calinou Dead_Thinker, no, it is #minetest-dev 14:15 est31 no 14:15 Xeprione_ no 14:15 Xeprione_ but how about a hack with what the player can get items? 14:15 Xeprione_ is it possible? :D 14:15 est31 in 1345 you find all the people who demand ability to do wallhack 14:15 est31 Xeprione_, no 14:15 Xeprione_ it's server-side, huh... 14:16 est31 most of the stuff is server-side 14:16 Dead_Thinker Calinou: thanks 14:16 * Teckla wants 2 cheats: client-side time-of-day cheat (so it can be daytime locally, even if nighttime on the server), and no-clouds cheat :) 14:16 est31 but we'll get clientside scripting, so lotsa modders will execute code on the client 14:16 est31 and lots of that code will be trusted 14:17 Xeprione_ teckla, that's possible tho 14:17 Xeprione_ i think 14:17 Xeprione_ by just removing the bit of code that draws the clouds 14:17 Xeprione_ and removing the day-cycle part 14:17 Calinou client-side time of day faking is possible, has been done on Minecraft 14:18 Calinou enable_clouds = false for no clouds 14:18 Calinou this is no cheat 14:18 Xeprione_ oh ok :D 14:18 Xeprione_ oh right 14:18 Xeprione_ i forgot there was that too :D 14:20 Xeprione_ i should seriously take a look at mt's code :D 14:21 Xeprione_ oh.. i have an idea tho :D 14:22 Xeprione_ something that could resemble a simple wallhack would be to make everything displayed in wireframe, except the players 14:24 Calinou just display players ahead of geometry 14:24 Calinou possibly making them have an outline using shaders 14:25 Xeprione_ oh, true 14:25 Xeprione_ there's just one thing about that... 14:25 Xeprione_ i don't know anything about glsl :D haven't really used it 14:27 Calinou http://calinou1.deviantart.com/ 14:27 Calinou here's my metal textures 14:27 Teckla Calinou: Oh gosh, thanks for mentioning enable_clouds! 14:35 Xeprione_ hey, does anybody know how i can set up MT inside Visual Studio 2012? 14:37 kaeza Xeprione_, cmake -G "Visual Studio 11 2012" 14:38 kaeza then open the resulting workspace or something 14:38 kaeza see also `cmake --help` 14:39 Xeprione crashed again 14:39 Xeprione don't know why 14:39 Xeprione how do i reply? 14:40 kaeza "Windows NT 6.3" is that Vista? 14:40 Xeprione not sure, might be 14:40 Jordach possibly 7 14:41 kaeza aaanyway, Xeprione_, cmake -G "Visual Studio 11 2012" 14:41 Xeprione thanks 14:41 kaeza sure 14:43 kaeza Jordach, acually, 8.1 :I 14:43 kaeza MS versioning scheme is hilarious 14:44 kaeza almost like using patch number as minor ve... *ahem* 14:45 Xeprione :D 14:46 Xeprione well fuck 14:46 Xeprione my toenail made a hole in my sock 14:46 kaeza TMI 14:46 Xeprione :D 14:48 Xeprione anyway, imma go play some cs while cmake downloads... 14:48 Xeprione (it's gonna take a while, my speed is 30kb/sec) 15:10 Calinou 5.1 = XP, 6 = Vista, 6.1 = 7, 6.2 = 8, 6.3 = 8.1, 10 = 10 15:50 * Teckla really dislikes Windows 10 :| 16:04 luizrpgluiz hi all :) 16:06 TheWild hi luizrpgluiz 16:09 luizrpgluiz TheWild: Hi :) 16:11 TheWild can Minetest rotate entities arbitrarily, or over single plane only? 16:13 Calinou Teckla, https://github.com/10se1ucgo/DisableWinTracking 16:13 Calinou it's the least worst Windows ever made, actually 16:13 Teckla Calinou: Interesting 16:15 Teckla [off] I used PowerShell to uninstall a bunch of unwanted apps, I bet this program calls the same PowerShell commands 16:15 Calinou it's a Python script 16:16 Calinou ultimately, it does such things :P 16:16 Calinou source code is there, you can read it 17:05 TheWild hello? 17:06 Calinou TheWild, only yaw rotation is supported. no pitch or roll. 17:06 Calinou entities have no pitch and roll in Minetest. 17:06 TheWild ok, thanks Calinou. 17:19 TheWild That's sad. 17:19 TheWild https://youtu.be/ji3jCi2xLKM?t=50s, he just rolled the wagon upside down. MC was intended to be just some specific game but has its internal engine far more "powerful" than Minetest. Why they can and we can't? 17:20 TheWild by saying "powerful" I mean that allowing rotation over additional axis isn't anything special, most games has it. It just fundamental to the engine! 17:20 TheWild Minetest is like open-source car 17:21 TheWild that turns only left 17:23 TheWild for long time I considered Minetest as crappy substitute for Minecraft, it was 0.3. I downloaded it yet once more when it was 0.4.11 just to give it a try. 17:23 TheWild And got real kick in the ass - holy crap, it got modding API! 17:24 TheWild I believed this is some serious API, not a mishmesh 17:25 TheWild sorry guys that I'm such a jerk, but I thought that I can just start coding my own blocks and monsters and the only limit is my imagination. 17:27 RichardTheTurd TheWild: Remember that MT is an open source game and there aren't any devs who get paid to code/maintain the game. Its all open source and open source game do have limitations 17:28 RichardTheTurd Its all done on free time and with that in mind comes the delays for features to be introduced or created. 17:28 asl97 RichardTheTurd: imo, close source game have much more limitations 17:28 Calinou some open source games are made commercially, eg. Ryzom 17:28 Calinou please don't oppose open source to commercial 17:28 RichardTheTurd I wasnt aware that there were any 17:29 Calinou it would be both discouraging for people who want to make commercial games that respect user freedom, and wrong 17:29 RichardTheTurd MT is the only open source game that i'm aware of 17:29 TheWild RichardTheTurd: I remember, but e.g. I wouldn't bring only setter method where getter is pretty logical. 17:31 Teckla I disrespect user freedom ;) 17:31 RichardTheTurd Aren't character movements limited by the irrlicht engine anyway? 17:31 Calinou how so? 17:31 proller some peoples just sell minetest - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.MultiCraft.Beta.Elite 17:32 Calinou "Elite" lol 17:32 RichardTheTurd I know I got blender movements to playback in mt but couldn't get the arms and legs to move on user input 17:32 Calinou proller, he does it legally since he releases source code... 17:33 RichardTheTurd is irrlicht a render engine or a base engine? 17:33 asl97 TheWild: some mc mod overrides the engine to get pass limitations, there nothing stopping you from making a mod directly into the engine bypassing the `limited` api 17:33 RichardTheTurd forge is one 17:33 Calinou RichardTheTurd, 3D engine. 17:33 Calinou it's not a game engine specifically 17:33 Calinou it's like OGRE 17:34 RichardTheTurd Thats what I thought. 17:34 Calinou in contrast, Urho3D is more of a game engine, it already offers audio and scripting 17:34 Calinou and even networking 17:34 RichardTheTurd I wonder if it'd be possible to port MT over to Unity3D.... 17:35 RichardTheTurd probably not as its mostly all LUA 17:37 Calinou please don't :D 17:37 * TheWild scratching his head. 17:37 TheWild no, no! I don't want to hear about any closed-source stuff in Minetest. 17:38 RichardTheTurd Unity3D is closed source? 17:38 Calinou yes 17:38 Calinou use Godot instead :) 17:38 Calinou http://godotengine.org/projects/godot-engine 17:39 RichardTheTurd The image under "Innovative Design" got me XD. 17:40 RichardTheTurd Big question is does it support CUDA/OCL 17:40 Calinou no 17:40 Calinou it uses OpenGL ES 2.0 for 3D rendering, which is dated 17:40 Calinou a rewrite to Vulkan or OpenGL ES 3.0 is planned next year 17:40 RichardTheTurd darn. I wanted to see if there was a way to get MT to use the GPU 17:40 Krock !g mniip LUA 17:40 MinetestBot Krock: https://github.com/mniip/LUA 17:41 Krock ^ RichardTheTurd, the LUA for you 17:41 * TheWild scratching his head. 17:42 TheWild what such engine makes easier? 17:42 Calinou RichardTheTurd, Minetest already uses the GPU for rendering... 17:42 Calinou the problem is that you can't rely on CUDA or OpenCL for "generic" computing too much, because servers don't have graphics card and CPU emulation is slower than native CPU code 17:42 Calinou moreover, it's still not entriely stable 17:42 Krock bottlenecks everywhere 17:42 RichardTheTurd barely though. My GTX660 usually sits around 8% and thats with YouTube Running in the background 17:44 RichardTheTurd imma try out a DX build 17:44 Krock Heh. CPU gets on its limit when running YouTube 17:45 RichardTheTurd What's the CURL for anyway? 17:46 Krock Fetching serverlist and downloading media 17:46 Krock Announcing to master server if running on minetest-server 17:46 RichardTheTurd Sooo I could upload the textures and such to another server and have clients fetch from there?? 17:46 asl97 not everybody has access to opengl 3 or newer 17:46 RichardTheTurd I use 4.5 17:47 Calinou literally 99,9% of people do, asl97 17:47 Calinou even the free/libre drivers support OpenGL 3.3 since a while, and a few support 4.1 17:47 Calinou RichardTheTurd, Direct3D is not well supported in Minetest. for instance, you can't use shaders since we have only GLSL shaders and not HLSL shaders 17:47 Krock Calinou, ack. I feel so small in this 0.1% 17:48 asl97 Calinou: if you count software opengl then yea, most do 17:48 RichardTheTurd Krock: What GPU? 17:48 Calinou I don't 17:48 Krock Radeon X200 17:48 Krock s/200/300/ 17:48 Krock doesn't make it better anyway ;) 17:48 RichardTheTurd yeah......... that doesnt support ogl3 17:49 asl97 software opengl is so slow compare to gpu 17:49 RichardTheTurd yup 17:49 Calinou software rendering is always slow 17:49 Calinou even a transparent surface can make it choke 17:49 Calinou (when it's supported) 17:50 RichardTheTurd Is there a reason why the Water looks more realistic on a Radeon card than it does on a Geforce card? 17:50 Calinou screenshots? 17:50 Calinou image quality does vary between brands, but it's invisible to most people. 17:50 Calinou AMD cards had a tendency to display colors in a slightly more satured manner, out of the box 17:51 Calinou at least that's what a 2010 Nexuiz image comparison done by Phoronix showed 17:51 RichardTheTurd I was wondering. 17:51 RichardTheTurd Thought it was just me 17:52 RichardTheTurd What does video_driver = null do? 17:52 Calinou it prevents the game from creating any display 17:53 asl97 what about mobile user?, i kind of doubt most of them would support opengl es 3 17:53 RichardTheTurd ...... Why would that even be an option then lmao 17:53 TheWild ^ "it prevents the game from creating any display" that is Minetest Blind Fury edition 17:54 Calinou asl97, it's decently supported 17:54 Calinou unlike ES 3.1 and the recently released ES 3.2 17:54 RichardTheTurd I hope my motherboard supports ECC Parity ram or can atleast ignore the ECC. Bought a 16GB ddr2 kit for $25 shipped and would hate to have to ship it back 17:55 RichardTheTurd MT with D3D9 enabled = doomsday 17:56 Calinou there is a Doom source port called Doomsday. but it uses OpenGL :p 17:58 RichardTheTurd How would I setup CURL to fetch textures from another server? 17:59 Calinou you could theorically point your remote_media address to the same as another server 17:59 Calinou it would work best if you ran the same mods 17:59 Calinou but you need to know it :) 17:59 Calinou the client doesn't really expose it, but you could hack it around to do that 18:00 RichardTheTurd So I couldn't just use a cloud storage service? 18:00 Calinou it wouldn't be suitable. 18:00 Calinou not only your base URL would be long, but also there might be rate limiting and such. 18:00 Calinou I wonder if you could use GitHub Pages though... 18:01 RichardTheTurd that would be awesome 18:01 Calinou why not rent a VPS though? 18:01 Calinou you can host game servers, Mumble server, your website, e-mail on it 18:01 Calinou and much more 18:02 Calinou and you learn networking at the same time :P 18:02 RichardTheTurd I'm cheap lol 18:03 RichardTheTurd I have the HW just not the upstream bandwidth. 18:03 Calinou http://lowendbox.com/ this? 18:06 RichardTheTurd Need more ram/cpu for WE, mesecons and technic 18:08 RichardTheTurd I see that a websight just tried to tamper with chrome as I got redirected to a fake google.com 18:09 crazyR ram is your main concern. cpu's usually dont get touched to much other than while the mapgen is doing its magic... 18:10 RichardTheTurd I was thinking more of this http://www.1and1.com/vps-hosting-packages#server if I go that route. But then again I might aswell get a dedicated server then. 18:10 crazyR kimsufi 18:10 RichardTheTurd crazyR: true 18:11 Calinou why a dedicated server when you can get a VPS? 18:11 Calinou which is likely more secure and such 18:11 crazyR kimsufi do some really good deals for cheap dedi's or you have ovh classic vps's just as cheap 18:12 RichardTheTurd Because it'd give me more control. 18:12 Calinou how so? 18:12 Calinou both give you root access 18:14 crazyR what ever you decide.... avoid http://www.1and1.com at all costs.... they rip you off, over share there vps's and there supports is crap.. i had a vps with them a few years ago and since ditching them i havent looked back 18:14 RichardTheTurd I had a feeling. 18:15 RichardTheTurd I dont like using shared HW for security concerns. 18:16 Calinou yeah, 1and1 has poor reputation 18:16 crazyR https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/vps-ssd.xml <-- that will work for you. plenty of resources to start you off. and its KVM based vps's meaning that its virtually as secure as having a dedi 18:17 RichardTheTurd Thats another feature I needed. I prefer the good ole GUI 18:17 RichardTheTurd The VPS SSD 3 looks most appealing 18:17 Calinou my VPS has a SSD too 18:17 Calinou rented from Ikoula, a French provider. 18:17 Calinou 1 GB RAM, 1 CPU only though 18:17 Calinou but 50 GB of SSD 18:17 Calinou costs 7.5 €/month 18:18 Calinou it's a cloud VM system 18:18 Builder123 hi est :) 18:18 RichardTheTurd I noticed that WE also benefits from an SSD as it does a lot of random i/o 18:18 RichardTheTurd r/w* 18:18 Calinou anything does really 18:18 Calinou even installing packages 18:20 est31 hi builder 18:20 est31 especially installing packages 18:20 est31 I really wonder whether apt could be speeded up 18:21 Calinou I use dnf :p 18:21 Builder123 est, I know that u r busy I wanted to say hi and thanks for all the assistance rendered by you :) 18:21 RichardTheTurd I'll sign up for the VPS SSD 3 next month 18:22 est31 np, thanks 18:22 RichardTheTurd if I have the money which I should. 18:23 Builder123 yw est - bye 18:31 bleak_fire_ Hi 18:31 RichardTheTurd hi 18:31 bleak_fire_ How TF did someone manage to fill an admin-protected area with plants and remove admin-owned, admin-protected travelnets 18:32 bleak_fire_ and most of all, how come i dont see it in debug.txt? 18:33 bleak_fire_ How TF did this happen? The area is almost entirely covered in protection logos! 18:33 Krock TF? 18:33 bleak_fire_ the fuck 18:34 bleak_fire_ i cant find any evidence of anything in the logs 18:34 Krock there may be a leak in the worldedit or any other landscape manipulating mod 18:34 bleak_fire_ worldedit is not installed 18:34 RichardTheTurd What mods? 18:34 Krock Usually you don't install mods at all :P 18:35 bleak_fire_ a bunch 18:35 Krock oh very helpful. 18:35 RichardTheTurd Did you go crazy with the mods like I did? 18:35 bleak_fire_ i dont think so 18:36 bleak_fire_ more importantly i shut down the server last night to do backups and it was fine 18:36 bleak_fire_ i think 18:36 est31 perhaps they've guessed your password? 18:36 bleak_fire_ i doubt it, it's long and random 18:36 Krock 123456789 18:36 crazyR 123465789?? 18:36 Krock it's long but not random :/ 18:37 TheWild tell us our password and we'll tell you whether it was strong enough 18:37 bleak_fire_ funny 18:37 TheWild s/our/your 18:37 Krock *cough* http://bash.org/?244321 18:38 bleak_fire_ nope my account did not place the juncus leaves everywhere 18:38 bleak_fire_ or place any unusual travelnets 18:38 crazyR pmsl Krick 18:38 crazyR *Krock 18:39 rubenwardy pmsl "Krick" 18:39 crazyR lol 18:39 Krock !g pmsl abbreviation 18:39 MinetestBot Krock: http://www.internetslang.com/PMSL-meaning-definition.asp 18:39 bleak_fire_ i have no time for jokes right now i'm extremely pissed off 18:39 Krock Thanks, MTB 18:39 bleak_fire_ i almost want to hurt someone 18:39 est31 bleak_fire_, have you done /deleteblocks? 18:39 crazyR erm.... if everything was fine before your back up...... try restoring your backup :/ 18:39 bleak_fire_ it apparently wasnt 18:39 bleak_fire_ i did restore the backup and it didnt matter 18:40 crazyR you just siad it was fine 18:40 bleak_fire_ other travelnets are fine 18:40 Krock crazyR, ^^ there are many more good quotes, just browse 18:40 bleak_fire_ i'm pretty sure it was 18:40 bleak_fire_ i can restore last weeks 18:40 bleak_fire_ i was hoping to find the asshole and revert only him 18:40 bleak_fire_ if not kill him 18:40 Krock rollbackcheck 18:41 * Krock imagines bleak_fire_ with a diamond sword in his hands, hitting some guest account to deat 18:41 Krock h 18:41 bleak_fire_ no guest accounts are prohibited 18:41 bleak_fire_ i used the serveressentials mod 18:44 bleak_fire_ i cant find any evidence of people chatting 18:44 bleak_fire_ and being unhappy 18:45 Krock huh 18:46 bleak_fire_ or trollish vandalism 18:46 bleak_fire_ chatting meaning complaining about problems 18:47 Krock can't agree. 18:48 bleak_fire_ moreover the protection blocks on the mg-generated street have all been replaced too 18:48 bleak_fire_ with juncus 18:48 bleak_fire_ which a grep doesnt show anything suspicious 18:48 bleak_fire_ juncus is all over town 18:48 bleak_fire_ the protection blocks on buildings including the ones supposedly protecting travelnets are fine 18:49 bleak_fire_ is it possible to roll back periods of time for everyone? 18:49 Krock only with enabled rollback 18:49 bleak_fire_ i have a backup but it's a few days old 18:49 bleak_fire_ i think i did 18:49 bleak_fire_ yep 18:49 bleak_fire_ i thought that only applied to individual players 18:50 bleak_fire_ does rollback depend on the debug.txt? because i renamed and gzipped the original when doing backups 18:51 bleak_fire_ i can put them together if i have to 18:51 bleak_fire_ nope rollback apparently is only the player 18:56 bleak_fire_ anyone have any ideas? 18:56 bleak_fire_ my last backup was the 11th and everything there is fine 18:57 bleak_fire_ apparently it happened sometime during the 14th 18:57 bleak_fire_ but rollback says it only does players 18:57 bleak_fire_ individually 19:03 bleak_fire_ i think i found the culprit 19:16 bleak_fire_ Well just my luck there are hosting problems. But I do think I know the asshole and he will most certainly be banned 19:17 bleak_fire_ Dont know how he managed to do this but 19:17 bleak_fire_ Have there been cases of new users modifying heavily protected by admin areas? 19:18 bleak_fire_ I know Pizza Server has a bunch of junk near the spawn point 19:18 RichardTheTurd VanessaE: You here? 19:29 bleak_fire_ Nothing to do 19:29 bleak_fire_ Reverting actions FAILED 19:29 bleak_fire_ ??? 19:29 bleak_fire_ he's there 19:29 bleak_fire_ he's in the players folder 19:30 bleak_fire_ anyone here? 19:33 bleak_fire_ i got two reverted by using 100000000000 19:33 bleak_fire_ but then i see a bunch of "unknown action" which cannot be reverted 19:35 bleak_fire_ Everyone is listed as 86400s???? 19:35 bleak_fire_ including me? 19:36 bleak_fire_ HOW DID HE DO THIS? 19:36 bleak_fire_ AND WHAT DO I DO ABOUT IT? 19:36 bleak_fire_ PROTECTION LOGOS WERE ALL OVER THE FUCKING PLACE 19:36 DI3HARD139 caps and pastebin the log 19:36 DI3HARD139 please 19:37 bleak_fire_ which part of the log, me trying to revert the actions or the actual actions of the individual? 19:47 bleak_fire_ ok thank god i managed to do it 19:47 bleak_fire_ targeted the wrong user 19:47 bleak_fire_ now i see i can ban an ip 19:47 bleak_fire_ can i ban a user? 19:49 bleak_fire_ hmm /ban says "no such player" when either the ip or the player is used 19:52 bleak_fire_ i can ban using iptables i guess 19:52 bleak_fire_ but would rather ban using minetest 19:52 bleak_fire_ if anyone knew how to do it 19:53 bleak_fire_ because i when i type "/ban username" or "/ban hisipaddress" it doesnt work 19:53 bleak_fire_ it says "no such player" 19:53 bleak_fire_ was that because i reverted the content first? 19:53 bleak_fire_ he is listed still there and i was able to revoke his privs 19:58 bleak_fire_ nope still gives that error 20:03 bleak_fire_ i wonder what will happen if i bitbucket him from the player directory... 20:04 rubenwardy install xban2 20:04 rubenwardy !mod xban2 20:04 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Extended Ban v2 [xban2] by kaeza - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9315 20:04 rubenwardy It allows you to ban offline players 20:07 bleak_fire_ i c 20:15 Calinou Jordach, do you plan to update Sam player model to support 1.8 Minecraft skins? 20:16 TheWild oh crap, something changed in 1.8 with skins? 20:16 Calinou yes, new format 20:17 Calinou 64×64 skins, supporting separate arm/leg skinning and overlays on whole body 20:17 Calinou I think we should upgrade to it 20:17 bleak_fire_ thank you rubenwardy, DI3HARD139, Krock, et al 20:17 TheWild oh, I didn't know, I'm out of date. Thanks Calinou. 20:18 bleak_fire_ think i'll random.org the guy's password just in case 20:19 bleak_fire_ no not random.org 20:19 Calinou set their password to " sucks" 20:19 Calinou :) 20:19 bleak_fire_ i forget the site but gets the seed from random.org 20:20 rubenwardy Calinou, BFD supports it 20:20 rubenwardy !mod BigFreakingDig 20:20 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Could not find anything. 20:20 rubenwardy !mod Big Freaking Dig 20:20 rubenwardy !mod BFD 20:20 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Could not find anything. 20:20 rubenwardy !mod Big Freaking Dig 20:20 rubenwardy !mod Big Freaking Dig 20:20 bleak_fire_ https://www.random.org/passwords/ 20:20 rubenwardy https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9036 20:22 DI3HARD139 grrrrr friggen display driver... 20:26 bleak_fire_ hmm i wonder if its best to wait for an xban first and then random.org his password... 20:26 bleak_fire_ since xban2 wont let me add his past ip 20:28 bleak_fire_ yep think i will 20:47 TheWild Minetest needs gears, like those in Lego blocks! 20:52 STHGOM !mod gears 20:52 MinetestBot STHGOM: Gears [gears] by 12Me21 - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=5858 20:54 STHGOM tada! 21:09 TheWild this way! Ok, thanks 22:01 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix enforcing of nametag hiding 13b600bc3 http://git.io/vCDlM (152015-10-15T23:46:03+02:00) 23:25 tahr63781 anyone into redstone computing? 23:37 wilkgr I´m making a mod, with giant tools, how can I make a tool actually look really big, bigger than the normal tools?