Time  Nick           Message
00:03 JohnnyComeL8ly Megaf: LazyJ is on LinuxGaming.us
00:03 Megaf          yep, he is the owner
00:03 Megaf          but he plays on my server sometimes
00:03 basil60        Hi What dirs on the minetest folder need to be backed up? In other "games", like MOO, I only backed up the database!
00:03 JohnnyComeL8ly Idk if he's anywhere else as well though....
00:03 VanessaE       basil60: just <minetest>/worlds/<your world>  if that's all you care about.
00:04 VanessaE       e.g. ~/.minetest/worlds/  on a linux box
00:04 nm0i           Backup logs, too.
00:04 VanessaE       you may as well just back up the whole thing though
00:04 basil60        <VanessaE>Linux indeed - is that where the sql3 database is?
00:04 VanessaE       it's not like it takes that much storage for the rest
00:04 VanessaE       basil60: yes
00:04 basil60        Ok...thanks for your help..and easy one
00:07 JohnnyComeL8ly Megaf: I suppose I should look before I leap....
00:11 Fixer          waressearcher2: i have older one, it is minetest-0.2.20110602_0-win32.zip
00:11 Fixer          :)
00:11 Megaf          JohnnyComeL8ly: :)
00:11 Fixer          actually played on it
00:11 Fixer          at that time (4 years ago)
00:13 Fixer          Copyright (c) 2010-2011 Perttu Ahola
00:14 Fixer          gn
00:21 waressearcher2 I want to find source code, that is "playable" but that doesn't have too much code, something that just generage landscape where you can just walk, without any other features
00:40 comradmax      any mapper devs around?  im trying to figure out why my map is half white
00:41 comradmax      the new c++ mapper
00:58 wilkgr         I just learned to check online before doing everything yourself.
00:58 wilkgr         The hard way.
00:58 wilkgr         I *just* found out about Minitest, and was creating my own MC replica....
01:01 waressearcher2 wilkgr: you were making your own minecraft clone ?
01:01 waressearcher2 without knowing about minetest ?
01:01 wilkgr         What? I know about minetest...
01:01 wilkgr         I mean subgame.
02:08 paramat        comradmax open a new issue at https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/issues
02:12 waressearcher2 comradmax: issues with textures ?
02:13 paramat        well it might possibly be issue 11 or 16
02:15 paramat        i've had problems too with half a map appearing white
02:17 VanessaE       are you running it on a "live" world, or on a backup (taken while the server is down)?
02:18 paramat        in my case a singleplayer world, running it on a world folder when MT is not in use
02:18 VanessaE       I run it as part of my backup procedure -- servers are shut down every morning at 6am EDT, backups taken, then they're restarted.  Once a week, the script runs ^^^ that mapper, using that morning's backup as the data source.
02:22 paramat        the white ghost terrain at the top is weird http://www.pasteall.org/pic/93666
02:24 VanessaE       what bugs me is that I had this happen a long time ago.  sfan5 fixed it then, or maybe showed me a way to avoid it? and it hasn't happened since.
02:26 paramat        i'll try limitiing the scan using the geometry option
02:28 VanessaE       the way my script runs it is, cd <mapper path>; ./minetestmapper --drawscale --drawalpha --geometry -5000:-7500+12000+15000 -i $worldpath"/"$worldname"/" -o $imagepath"/"$worldname".png" #>/dev/null 2>&1
02:29 VanessaE       so nothing particularly fancy
02:30 paramat        should there be a colon in geometry fields? thought that was a typo
02:30 VanessaE       nope, that's not a typo
02:32 paramat        ugh it's so ugly, and why after the first number, it's confusing
02:32 paramat        it's in the readme but i assumed a typo
02:36 paramat        oh i see '--geometry x:y+w+h'
02:37 VanessaE       yeah.  Guess it's supposed to be similar to how X terminals expect it
02:37 paramat        readme is unclear, i thought it was minp maxp
02:39 VanessaE       I believe they specify where in the map the center pixel of the image comes from
02:39 kahrl          Xlib geometry option would WxH+X+Y
02:39 kahrl          would be*
02:40 VanessaE       oh wow, totally different from X
02:40 paramat        x:y is the centre not minp?
02:40 VanessaE       I'm not 100% sure
02:41 paramat        i'll open an issue about unclear docs >=(
02:41 VanessaE       *I think* and I am probably wrong, that it's the center and that the final image is centered over it.
02:42 waressearcher2 isn't center supposed to be 0,0 ?
02:43 paramat        ah '--geometry -800:-800+1600+1600' implies minp+w+h
02:43 VanessaE       absolute center is, yeah
02:43 VanessaE       paramat: ah good.  now we know :)
02:43 waressearcher2 so if you want image to be 50x50 you go -50:-50+100+100
02:43 VanessaE       actually by paramat's cfinding, it would ne -25:-25+50+50
02:44 VanessaE       -c
02:44 VanessaE       s/ne/be/
02:44 waressearcher2 no
02:44 VanessaE       "+100+100" would make a 100x100 image.
02:44 waressearcher2 100 is from -50 to +50
02:44 waressearcher2 wait
02:45 VanessaE       I'm pretty sure 50x50 != 100x100 :)
02:45 waressearcher2 for 100x100 you go -50:-50+100+100
02:45 VanessaE       yes
02:57 paramat        here are the new nodes for colors.txt https://github.com/minetest/minetestmapper/issues/15#issuecomment-144898212
02:58 VanessaE       damn it paramat, stop doing that :P
02:58 * VanessaE     adds the aforementioned colors to her file
03:10 wilkgr         gtg - battery nearly empty :-/
03:10 wilkgr         Bye
03:11 waressearcher2 so that minetestmapper it doesn't uses textures right ? so its not the same as flying very hight and take a screen shoot its uses different approach ?
03:18 VanessaE       correct
03:18 VanessaE       it uses color entries for  every note you want it to recognize
03:18 VanessaE       usually those colors come from having averaged the textures' colors previously
03:18 VanessaE       whatever isn't listed in the file is simply not rendered.
03:36 wilkgr         I wish I could download Ikjoel's nether mod. GH says "Page not found"
03:42 wilkgr         As it is, I'll have to make do with PilzAdam's nether.
03:54 waressearcher2 VanessaE: "having averaged the textures colors" it can just get 0,0 pixel or 8,8 in the center
03:55 waressearcher2 averaging can get it weird colors, like dirt is half grassy, so green+brown would be weird
03:55 VanessaE       well, you'd only pick the "top" texture for a given node.  in any case, averaging the whole texture to one color works out well in practice
04:55 comradmax      speaking of avg colors, i have a whole list of ethereal node averages i got with my one line bash script.  should i share that here?
04:57 VanessaE       pastebin it.  I'll add it to my file.
04:57 VanessaE       (somehow I ended up as the one who maintains a sort of "master" list of colors :P )
04:58 comradmax      http://www.pasteall.org/61434/text, http://www.pasteall.org/61433/bash
04:58 VanessaE       *looks at script*
04:58 VanessaE       imagemagick?  that's cheating.
04:58 comradmax      everyone with gimp has it
04:59 comradmax      and one line
04:59 comradmax      :)
04:59 VanessaE       added
05:00 comradmax      just run it from any texture dir, get_avgs.sh <modname>, and it prints a list that is cut and paste, or >> into colors.txt
05:01 comradmax      picking most representative color of a node by eye is better, but takes too long.  i have to just add that
05:01 comradmax      mushrooms are one example
05:02 comradmax      avg is ligther than my preference, i'd pick a darker red, and "ignore" the white dots more or less
05:04 comradmax      and this is my map with these imagiemagic colors http://www.pasteall.org/pic/93703
05:05 comradmax      one day when the white issue is figured out, it will look even cooler
05:07 MinetestBot    02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest: Mapnode: Replace rotateAlongYAxis with improved version 138aaae7d http://git.io/vczFp (152015-10-02T06:03:36+01:00)
05:07 VanessaE       ok I'm gonna head off for the night
05:07 VanessaE       thanks for the contribution :)
05:08 comradmax      yw, and ditto
05:13 arsdragonfly   !server arsdragonfly
05:13 MinetestBot    arsdragonfly: Arsdragonfly's Landrush! Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 352ms
06:03 kaeza          Greetings
06:11 TheWild        Greetings kaeza
06:14 swift110-phone Greetings
08:37 JamesTait      Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy International Day of Non-Violence! 😃
09:28 Megaf          Hi all
09:28 bleak_fire_    hi
09:28 Megaf          so, Calculate Linux (Based on Gentoo) is much slower than Debian http://openbenchmarking.org/result/1509309-HA-1509308HA86
09:29 Megaf          JamesTait: Let's kill them all!
09:29 Megaf          Oop, I mean, hug them all
09:29 JamesTait      Cliff?
09:29 bleak_fire_    i was thinking of maybe trying this game again, i had a server running for about a week when i ran into a bunch of problems
09:29 bleak_fire_    people on the forum gave me suggestions but i was just too pissed off
09:29 bleak_fire_    i have a question though
09:30 bleak_fire_    is there an easy way to prevent username creation, without having to create accounts?
09:30 bleak_fire_    like preventing stuff like "admin" "administrator" etc
09:31 bleak_fire_    that would confuse users
09:31 bleak_fire_    is there an easy way to do that other than creating accounts?
09:31 Megaf          Hi bleak_fire_
09:31 bleak_fire_    hi
09:31 bleak_fire_    redblade7 on the forum btw
09:32 Megaf          bleak_fire_: there is a mod that checks the username and will not allow guests, admins and stuff to login
09:32 Megaf          bleak_fire_: but I don't bother about that
09:32 bleak_fire_    so my ebst bet is to just create the accounts then?
09:33 Megaf          bleak_fire_: what you can do, is to obligate users to use a password, there is an option about allowing empty passwords on the conf
09:33 Megaf          bleak_fire_: and just let people use whatever nick they want,
09:34 Megaf          when some admin join, you cna politely ask to change the name
09:34 bleak_fire_    i never allowed empty passwords
09:37 Amaz           bleak_fire_, this is the no guests mod: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=8004
09:37 Amaz           It also disallows names like admin ect.
09:43 bleak_fire_    ok well i gotta get back into the game it's been several months
09:43 bleak_fire_    but thank you
09:51 Megaf          2015-10-02 10:49:58: ACTION[Server]: Megaf clears all objects.
09:51 Megaf          Segmentation fault
09:51 Megaf          And the award for the most reliable software goes to...
09:51 Megaf          Not to minetest, absolutely not
09:52 Megaf          This was on a newly created server, on a very small map, less than 100 MB running the minimal game
09:52 Megaf          using Redis
09:52 Megaf          [14356.792908] Server[14181]: segfault at 0 ip 00007efbf630fc8a sp 00007efbf20bf3f8 error 4 in libc-2.19.so[7efbf628e000+19f000]
09:56 nrzkt          Megaf, i have the same problem
09:56 nrzkt          it's due to redis connector
09:57 nrzkt          redis answer an error but there is no pointer to error
10:02 Megaf          nrzkt: oh dear, minetest is close to pointless then
10:02 Megaf          I have to run clearobjects to work around other bugs and when I do that I enounter more bug
10:03 Megaf          !tell JohnnyComeL8ly reseting the SETUP settings as you suggested actually did the trick, CPU back to performance level, go figure...
10:03 MinetestBot    Megaf: I'll pass that on when JohnnyComeL8ly is around
10:03 Megaf          Thanks MinetestBot
10:04 Megaf          nrzkt: I'm just a little frustrated, when I finally found a good thing to make things better, the use of redis, I find yet another issue
10:08 bleak_fire_    hey i dont know if anyone caught me asking in #etc by accident
10:08 bleak_fire_    06:05] <+bleak_fire_> i've been wondering since it's been a few months since i've played, what happened to "free pizza server"?
10:08 Megaf          bleak_fire_: it is still there
10:08 Megaf          I saw it yesterday on the list I think
10:09 bleak_fire_    ok
10:09 bleak_fire_    i dont see it now
10:30 * gorilla      waves to bleak_fire_
10:30 bleak_fire_    hi
11:08 Calinou        https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxmasterrace/comments/3mwzjg/open_source_game_servers/
11:12 * Megaf        clicks
11:13 Calinou        I was mentioned, so that's why I read it.
11:26 gorilla        Calinou: Nice plug.
11:35 Megaf          hm, I wonder if it is possible to encrypt the whole /
11:35 Megaf          and if that would have any impact on performance
11:36 Calinou        Megaf, full disk encryption does exist
11:37 Calinou        but you don't encrypt /boot
11:37 Calinou        (except on a Libreboot system, where it is possible)
11:37 Calinou        the performance loss is ~5% with proper acceleration
11:37 Calinou        it's noticeable on a HDD, not on a SSD
11:37 Megaf          here is EFI, I have the /boot/EFI on a different partition
11:38 Megaf          and I believe this CPU can do encrytion on hardware
11:39 jin_xi         any forum mods around? i deactivated my account a while ago and would like it to be active again if thats possible
11:40 Calinou        jin_xi, PM me your e-mail address
11:40 Megaf          flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush mmx fxsr sse sse2 ht syscall nx mmxext fxsr_opt pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc rep_good nopl nonstop_tsc extd_apicid aperfmperf eagerfpu pni pclmulqdq monitor ssse3 cx16 sse4_1 sse4_2 movbe popcnt aes xsave avx f16c rdrand lahf_lm cmp_legacy svm extapic cr8_legacy abm sse4a misalignsse 3dnowprefetch osvw ibs skinit wdt topoext perfctr_nb bpext perfctr_l2 arat
11:40 Megaf          hw_pstate npt lbrv svm_lock nrip_save tsc_scale flushbyasid decodeassists pausefilter pfthreshold vmmcall bmi1 xsaveopt
11:41 Megaf          -> aes flag, the CPU can do AES cryto stuff by hardware
11:42 Megaf          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AES_instruction_set#Performance
11:42 Calinou        jin_xi, done, you can now log in
11:42 jin_xi         nice, thank you Calinou
11:42 Calinou        Megaf, one thing to keep in mind is that hardware AES encryption is proprietary :P
11:42 Megaf          is it? Oo
11:42 Calinou        yes
11:42 Calinou        both Intel and AMD
11:42 Megaf          but, it is supported by this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypto%2B%2B
11:43 Calinou        I mean, the algorithm implementing AES
11:43 Calinou        which is on the CPU itself, in very low-level
11:44 Megaf          I wonder the performance gain that applications could have if they used all SSE things on AMD CPUs
11:44 Megaf          and the 3DNow too
11:44 Calinou        a lot, but those are not trivial to use, and you would lose backwards compatibility
11:44 Calinou        I think 3DNow! is for software rendering?
11:44 Calinou        DarkPlaces makes heavy usage of SSE/SSE2 for its software renderer
11:44 Megaf          they are all for doing lots of stuff at the same time
11:45 Megaf          AMD CPUs can work as several CPUs actually doing lots of pipelines at the same time, as far as I know
11:45 Megaf          but there is almost no software that makes good use of AMD registers
11:46 Megaf          I wonder how to tell GCC to optimize and use all things my CPU can provide
11:46 Calinou        https://lut.im/o2GvuqaxFp/2pEEnnYb.jpg
11:46 Calinou        DarkPlaces in software mode :)
11:46 Calinou        ~1 FPS
11:46 Calinou        when reflective water is in view
11:48 Calinou        https://lut.im/bAz6iiyKql/q2hpTPf6.jpg
11:48 Calinou        and Xonotic
11:48 Calinou        (note the lack of anti-aliasing)
11:48 Calinou        transparency doesn't work well either
11:56 Sebek__        Hello
12:06 Krock          hi
12:30 Megaf          My fstab and source.list, me gusta :) http://i.imgur.com/DDY1ANf.png
12:31 Megaf          Calinou: ^
14:14 comradmax      do i need to build from source to use redis?
14:15 Calinou        comradmax, what operating system?
14:15 Calinou        on Windows, very likely
14:15 Calinou        on GNU/Linux, quite likely too...
14:15 Calinou        it costs nothing to build from source :)
14:17 comradmax      it costs time, but im willing to do it.  just wanted to make sure.  i tried to migrate default sqlite3 to redis, but got this: Database backend redis not supported
14:17 Krock          better suicide before trying to compile Minetest with redis
14:18 Krock          or ask for a cross-platform build
14:18 comradmax      linux, ubuntu 15
14:18 comradmax      i'll try to build it
15:27 jin_xi         hey miners and testers, whats up?
15:35 jin_xi         ...
15:37 exio4          jin_xi: hi
15:38 Krock          jin_xi, testing mines in Minetest
15:41 jin_xi         cool, do they work?
15:42 jin_xi         its a cool evil mod idea actually
15:42 jin_xi         minefields
15:43 Krock          Mathematical problem of the temperature calculation within your sentence.
15:43 jin_xi         if there was some more variation of weather possible in mt it would open some nice possibilities for dystopian worlds/games. as it stands its always sunny in mt world
15:43 Krock          evil guys are in hell, which can't be cold ^^
15:43 jin_xi         krock, its all just warm air...
15:44 * Krock        touches his head.. oh how right you are..
15:44 jin_xi         actually dantes inferno describes hell as frozen
15:44 jin_xi         its cold because of the wind made by lucifer flapping his wings
15:45 jin_xi         and he is encased in ice, upside down...
16:07 TheWild        VanessaE, was the problem with 3-node-long sofa fixed?
16:18 comradmax      what is the protocol in "Disco Inferno", do they follow Dante's spec?
16:40 comradmax      ENABLE_SYSTEM_GMP   - Use GMP from system (much faster than bundled mini-gmp)
16:40 comradmax      what is that?
16:40 comradmax      GMP?
16:41 Calinou        comradmax, https://gmplib.org/
16:41 Calinou        The GNU Multiple Precision Arithmetic Library
16:44 comradmax      to use that compile flag, would i compile/install gmplib on my system first, and then the MT cmake will use it instead of something called mini-gmp?
16:45 comradmax      cuz i'll do that if it gives me perf
16:50 comradmax      all these cmake options are ON by default, so i dont think i need to worry about them.  redis is on by default too
17:01 * CWz          Wonders VanessaE is hiding somewhere nearby
17:03 comradmax      after compiling from source, still get an error that there is no redis support: A fatal error occurred: Database backend redis not supported
17:04 comradmax      ./bin/minetest --server --migrate redis --world /home/max/.minetest/worlds/UF/
17:07 kaeza          greetings
17:07 comradmax      perhaps i need to give it redis include dir...
17:11 arsdragonfly   !server arsdragonfly
17:11 MinetestBot    arsdragonfly: Arsdragonfly's Landrush! Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 383ms
17:11 Glorfindel     heh cool
17:18 Glorfindel     !server arsdragonfly
17:18 MinetestBot    Glorfindel: Arsdragonfly's Landrush! Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 1/15, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 498ms
17:21 Glorfindel     MinetestBot,
17:23 Krock          <3 MinetestBot
17:23 MinetestBot    <3 Krock
17:24 gorilla        who's Krock? :-D
17:24 Krock          A gorilla under thousands of years of evolution process
17:25 gorilla        Must be my bedtime:... 3:35AM is late enough.
17:26 basxto         :35 o.O
17:26 Krock          7:27 PM, greetings from 2 minutes in the future!
17:26 Krock          wait not..
17:27 gorilla        basxto: :25 It was a typo.
17:28 Krock          arsdragonfly, I expected rules on the signs at spawn but no...
17:29 arsdragonfly   the landrush mod protects your properties properly so far
17:29 Krock          also the damage setting should be changed to false
17:30 arsdragonfly   oh, yeah that's a problem
17:30 Krock          kinda painful when it's laggy and you're mining with a mese pickaxe
17:30 * Krock        wonders why no-one uses his great area protection mod
17:32 arsdragonfly   landrush! is easy and powerful
17:32 Krock          yes, a powerful thing to punish
17:33 comradmax      REDIS!
17:33 * comradmax    is migrating db to redis :-D
17:33 arsdragonfly   16*16 grids are easy to manage, and you always know where the borders are
17:33 * Krock        can't understand that redis motivation
17:34 comradmax      ppl said it runs faster than sqlite3
17:34 arsdragonfly   maybe he's got some extra memory
17:34 comradmax      me?
17:35 arsdragonfly   yeah
17:35 Krock          !mod simple_protection
17:35 comradmax      tons, need to use up all 16gb, so far seen only 20% used
17:35 MinetestBot    Krock: Simple protection [simple_protection] by Krock - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9035
17:35 arsdragonfly   redis makes heavy use of the memory
17:35 Krock          definable area sizes ^
17:50 comradmax      hmm, need newer cmake to compile SpacialIndex...
17:52 Krock          You can ignore that library :P
17:52 comradmax      but it says it'll be faster
17:53 Krock          What will be faster?
17:53 jin_xi         less slow...
17:53 comradmax      ENABLE_SPATIAL      - Build with LibSpatial; Speeds up AreaStores
17:53 comradmax      whatever that is..
17:55 comradmax      but that thig will have increased speed, even if i dont know what it is
18:00 Krock          arsdragonfly, dungeon at -15m
18:51 comradmax      redis fixed the issue with mapper drawing only white
18:55 comradmax      http://www.pasteall.org/pic/93716
18:55 comradmax      5mb, set your modems to receive
18:58 comradmax      im the Banana King from beyond the wall
19:07 Krock          Is there any mod for a leveling system in swords and armor yet?
19:10 freeemint_     Krock, nope, do not thing so.
19:12 freeemint_     Found nothing on Forum, too.
19:13 Krock          freeemint_, that's sad but thanks for the help :)
19:14 freeemint_     Krock, are you interested in moding this?
19:14 freeemint_     Its on my TODO as well
19:15 Krock          freeemint_, I had the idea of using the mana mod to "insert power"
19:15 Krock          and increase the strength with it
19:15 Krock          but then.. mana is infinite, so using ores might be a better idea
19:15 freeemint_     mhee, i thought of rpg based aproach
19:16 freeemint_     with potions/[mana?] to give a temporal boost
19:20 freeemint_     how long would your mana boost last?
19:21 Krock          no idea, haven't planned that far
19:21 freeemint_     Can you boost mana regeneration by mana?
19:21 freeemint_     Sounds questionable.
19:21 Krock          exponential mana growth \o/
19:22 freeemint_     *mana regeneration speed growth
19:22 freeemint_     yep game get brocken quickly.
19:23 freeemint_     In particular if one uses bots ...
19:24 freeemint_     When you got an prototype going, would you mind send wintermute a PM on the forum.
19:26 freeemint_     Krock?
19:26 Krock          Eh yes.
19:26 Krock          No idea when I will start coding it
19:26 Krock          perhaps I'll just do it with ores
19:27 Krock          (as "power source")
19:28 Krock          freeemint_, I guess there's no way to manipulate the hit-speed of a tool while playing yet :(
19:29 freeemint_     but you can emulate it damage wise, but its not the same...
19:31 freeemint_     well, its possible if you reroute all clicks with weapons through your own service and set player damage there.
19:31 freeemint_     just the animation is async.
19:32 freeemint_     [Works by my understanding.]
19:33 freeemint_     Krock, what do you plan doing with ores? didnt get it
19:33 Krock          freeemint_, just new crafted swords :)
19:34 freeemint_     There are many mods like that...
19:34 freeemint_     What do you plan adding?
19:35 Krock          My target is to add upgrades for all sword types
20:02 freeemint_     Krock: Do you plan to make an mod-API so you can handle sword-generation for every mod?
20:03 Krock          No, that not
20:53 MinetestBot    02[git] 04duane-r -> 03minetest/minetest: Add get_biome_id(biome_name) callback 13a5bdfb6 http://git.io/vcwlV (152015-10-02T22:49:31+02:00)
20:53 MinetestBot    02[git] 04SmallJoker -> 03minetest/minetest: Add environment variable MINETEST_WORLD_PATH 1321944a0 http://git.io/vcwlr (152015-10-02T22:47:13+02:00)
20:58 zat            What we need are the humidity and heat values back.
21:14 * STHGOM       is away: )
21:36 xfceKris       What's the largest value a form can be given in size = [W,H]?
21:37 xfceKris       going afk, ping me if you have an answer.
21:37 comradmax      can i somehow load a mod into a multipleyer game, that is not supplied by the server?  i would like to have the music mod while playing online, but it's at the least 10mb media download, so not smart for servrs i guess
21:42 Glorfindel     I don't think so
21:42 Glorfindel     that is a feature that I would like added to minetest
21:42 Glorfindel     client-side mods
21:43 Glorfindel     ones that don't affect gameplay, but would add better sounds or whatever
21:43 est31          well, that's a tough thing
21:43 est31          either you supply a stupidly locked down API for such mods
21:44 comradmax      sound tho, and textures, could be ok to have thos as individual cases
21:44 est31          or you have to check such mods for their gameplay effects
21:44 est31          mod by mod
21:44 est31          well, textures already work
21:44 comradmax      server can send those, but everyone konws sounds and images are what most of the size is.  that's why xbox games are on dvds
21:45 comradmax      textures do that now?
21:45 est31          yea there are texture packs
21:45 Glorfindel     well, add soundpacks then ;)
21:45 comradmax      for an easy win, someone might be able to make this work for audio
21:46 * comradmax    drooled
21:47 est31          comradmax, what about downloading the pieces and opening them on VLC?
21:47 comradmax      that's even easier, i guess i can do dat
21:48 waressearcher2 comradmax: "that's why xbox games are on dvds", in compare to PS3 blueray ?
21:48 comradmax      audio api should support some kinda events tho, so real in game music that changes would be nice
21:48 comradmax      waressearcher2: my point was that it is big
21:49 comradmax      waressearcher2: compared to 1.44" floppy and dos :)
21:49 comradmax      lol, mb, not "
21:50 Glorfindel     lol
21:54 waressearcher2 comradmax: lot of gamers are on 100Mbit/s internet, its not a problem to wait 10-20 minutes to download 10GB of data instead of going to store and buy DVD
21:55 comradmax      does the client download server mods each time it connects?
21:56 est31          no
21:56 est31          server mods are entirely kept on server
21:56 est31          in the future there will be a download yes, but not right now
21:56 est31          now we only download things like nodedefs
21:57 comradmax      how are the image and audio files handled in this process?
21:58 est31          they are downloaded yes
21:58 comradmax      i assumed that's what the 'media' is when it says downloadinf media
21:58 est31          but only if they dont exist yet
21:58 Fixer          OldCoder, are you here?
21:58 OldCoder       Yes
21:58 comradmax      client-server 1st compares media checksums?
21:58 OldCoder       I am emailing you now
21:58 OldCoder       Or was
21:58 Fixer          oh
21:58 OldCoder       Hold on a moment
21:58 OldCoder       Moment
21:59 Fixer          replied to you
21:59 OldCoder       Fixer, point #1: You have all privs again now
21:59 OldCoder       Fixer, point #2: A lot of work has gone into getting the world to exactly where it is now.
22:00 OldCoder       Coffeecrafter, stormchaser, and I have started to make other repairs, and it's going well. I think we'll proceed using the current map as a base, but reset regions as necessary.
22:00 OldCoder       Done
22:00 est31          comradmax, client compares them yes
22:00 OldCoder       Email me coords as discussed in the forum thread and I'll reset individual regions
22:00 OldCoder       The regions can be as small or large as you wish
22:00 Fixer          OldCoder, so no reset, than I will fix small slab problems and email you large ones
22:00 OldCoder       But will include whole mapblocks so be careful
22:00 OldCoder       Right
22:01 OldCoder       Slabs don't work, though, right? New ones, I mean
22:01 OldCoder       For manual repairs, need to wait until I fix that?
22:01 OldCoder       Or can you use
22:01 Fixer          don't understand you
22:01 OldCoder       wrench to rotate?
22:01 OldCoder       Hm
22:01 Fixer          i can use wrench
22:01 OldCoder       Fine
22:01 OldCoder       Email me coords of boxes to reset
22:01 OldCoder       And I will do so
22:01 OldCoder       No problem
22:01 Fixer          yeah, ok, let me fly a lot
22:01 OldCoder       Is this acceptable?
22:02 OldCoder       I wrote a fast 'C' program last night
22:02 Fixer          yeah, ther e will be a lot of places
22:02 OldCoder       It can do a reset of buildings or entire cities
22:02 OldCoder       If you wish to reset a 500x500x100 region
22:02 OldCoder       I can do that; will that help?
22:02 OldCoder       But not near spawn, we worked hard on that
22:03 OldCoder       In short, we can reset entire continents
22:03 OldCoder       No WorldEdit is needed. I can use CoderEdit :P
22:03 est31          WorldEdit is real slow agreed
22:03 OldCoder       I wrote it in 'C' finally
22:03 est31          manually writing it is much more easier and faster
22:03 OldCoder       I had been using a Perl script for 2 years
22:04 est31          nice
22:04 OldCoder       Last night I reset CoffeeTopia
22:04 OldCoder       An entire continent
22:04 OldCoder       Everything North of 14,000 in Redcrab
22:04 Glorfindel     wow
22:04 OldCoder       I did it in Perl and in 'C' then byte-compared the results
22:04 OldCoder       Matched perfectly so I am confident
22:04 est31          how can you byte compare it?
22:05 est31          you delete the mapblocks right?
22:05 OldCoder       They are just disk files
22:05 OldCoder       I did the following
22:05 OldCoder       This will be very useful to world admins in the future
22:05 OldCoder       I started with my virgin Redcrab map and a map we had worked on
22:06 OldCoder       I told the program to take everything North of 14,000 from Old Redcrab and everything South from New Redcrab
22:06 OldCoder       I did this using both Perl and 'C'. Then I byte-compared the two resulting maps.
22:06 OldCoder       They matched. So I can now do this:
22:06 Fixer          will need a lot of screwdrivers :p
22:06 OldCoder       Take a dozen Minetest worlds
22:06 OldCoder       Select cities from all of them up to 5000x5000 in size
22:06 OldCoder       Merge the cities into a new world
22:07 OldCoder       Positioned as I please. Useful, no?
22:07 est31          nice
22:07 est31          yea
22:07 OldCoder       Fixer, again; if you would like to reset ALL of Fixylvania (5000x5000) just send me the coords
22:07 OldCoder       We can reset 25,000,000 square miles at once
22:07 OldCoder       No screwdrivers needed
22:07 comradmax      OldCoder: does it copy the block names, so cities with mods will require these mods in the new one?
22:07 OldCoder       But not the regions we worked on this week near spawn
22:07 OldCoder       Yes
22:07 OldCoder       Even chests
22:07 Fixer          oh, ok
22:07 OldCoder       and chest ownership
22:08 OldCoder       The ONLY thing that is lost
22:08 OldCoder       Is areas protection
22:08 OldCoder       I may be able to do that
22:08 OldCoder       If I have the original areas.dat file
22:08 comradmax      why is rotation lost?
22:08 OldCoder       It is no longer lost
22:08 Fixer          i'm fixing near spawn right now, later i will collect data on towns
22:08 comradmax      oh
22:08 OldCoder       In the case of Redcrab, MoreBlocks is MoreBad
22:08 OldCoder       MoreBlocks is Bad
22:08 OldCoder       MoreBlocks is Sad
22:08 OldCoder       MoreBlocks makes one Mad
22:09 OldCoder       No relief is to be Had
22:09 OldCoder       From MoreBlocks :P
22:09 OldCoder       There is a bug
22:09 OldCoder       in MoreBlocks
22:09 OldCoder       If you take an old world
22:09 OldCoder       and try to move it
22:09 OldCoder       MoreBlocks says
22:09 OldCoder       <moreblocks> I hate backwards compatibility
22:09 OldCoder       and this happens:
22:09 Fixer          spawn has lots of rotated blocks on pathways so i'm fixing them now
22:10 OldCoder       http://minetest.org/images/151001_fix1b.jpg
22:10 Fixer          but those blocks do look good, just buggy ;)
22:10 OldCoder       Pretty as a porcupine ^
22:10 OldCoder       http://minetest.org/images/151001_fix1b.jpg
22:10 OldCoder       I patched this
22:10 Fixer          seen it
22:10 OldCoder       It will no longer happen with MoreBlocks Coder Edition
22:10 OldCoder       This is for comradmax
22:10 Fixer          i seen a lot of buildings with such tree-like things
22:10 OldCoder       The result is this:
22:10 OldCoder       http://minetest.org/images/151001_fix1a.jpg
22:11 OldCoder       So, all I need to do is reset the parts of New Redcrab that were converted
22:11 comradmax      that looks better than 1st
22:11 OldCoder       by MoreBad
22:11 OldCoder       Yes
22:11 OldCoder       Also:
22:11 OldCoder
22:11 OldCoder       http://minetest.org/images/151001_fix2b.jpg
22:11 OldCoder       http://minetest.org/images/151001_fix2a.jpg
22:11 OldCoder
22:11 Fixer          fix the walking speed!
22:11 OldCoder       Which one would YOU invite to dinner? :P
22:11 OldCoder       Fixer, to what number?
22:12 Fixer          redcrab 0.4.4 one?
22:12 OldCoder       Which is? :-)
22:12 Fixer          it feels fast
22:12 OldCoder       Well, choose a number
22:12 * OldCoder     will comply
22:12 comradmax      7
22:12 Fixer          default in 0.4.13 and be done with it, it is running now
22:12 comradmax      chose 7
22:12 OldCoder       comradmax, t y; which setting is this?
22:12 comradmax      idk, i just had to choose a number
22:13 OldCoder       Ah
22:13 OldCoder       It is 6 presently
22:13 OldCoder       Should slower be 5? Or 7?
22:13 OldCoder       Trying 5
22:13 OldCoder       Fixer, restarting for Slow Walk Mode
22:15 OldCoder       Fixer, do not spend hours on a building
22:15 OldCoder       You *can* email me coords
22:15 Fixer          i was fixing grief
22:15 OldCoder       Ah
22:15 OldCoder       I mean the porcupine buildings
22:16 Fixer          i know
22:16 OldCoder       Anyway Fixer I must focus elsewhere. I have worked pretty hard on this.
22:16 Fixer          let me look spawn and later i will start with this slab ---p
22:16 Fixer          good work already
22:16 OldCoder       We have the conversion, know how to fix slabs, have moved over Coffeecrafter's stuff
22:16 OldCoder       Also Fort Noogah StormChaser stuff
22:17 OldCoder       I have fixed some of the travelnet problems
22:17 OldCoder       And imported ownership
22:17 Fixer          oh wait
22:17 OldCoder       We have some of the buildings that are missing from Old Redcrab
22:17 OldCoder       Yes?
22:17 Fixer          default door opens with left click, homedecor with right iirc
22:17 OldCoder       Is there a change needed?
22:18 Fixer          all doors must be opened with right click
22:18 Fixer          like in 0.4.13
22:18 OldCoder       So you wish a patch?
22:18 OldCoder       Stop talking about 0.4.13. This is based on 0.4.Redcrab :P
22:18 OldCoder       If you knew
22:18 Fixer          i know, does it needs lots of patching?
22:18 OldCoder       What was required
22:18 OldCoder       Heh
22:18 OldCoder       I am rewriting the _game
22:18 OldCoder       Just to make the world work
22:19 OldCoder       Not lots
22:19 OldCoder       But deep little changes
22:19 OldCoder       So, regarding door
22:19 OldCoder       What are you requesting?
22:19 Fixer          default 0.4.4 redcrab minetest doors should be opened with right click (will be inline with homedecor and 0.4.13)
22:20 Fixer          just a suggestion
22:20 OldCoder       Is this somewhere in default?
22:20 Fixer          yes i guess
22:20 OldCoder       No
22:20 OldCoder       R
22:20 OldCoder       Is this regarding doors mod?
22:20 Fixer          because now default 0.4.4 doors is by left click, and homedecor is by right %) i'm not sure what the mod it is, i can name node id
22:21 OldCoder       Is this regarding doors mod?
22:21 OldCoder       Ah
22:21 Fixer          doors
22:21 Fixer          doors: mod
22:21 OldCoder       Fixer, I will need more information
22:21 OldCoder       In doors mod
22:21 OldCoder       It is by punch
22:21 OldCoder       Punch is left-click, correct?
22:21 Fixer          punch by left mouse click
22:21 Fixer          hmm
22:21 OldCoder       This is what the mod is
22:21 OldCoder       It is punch
22:21 Fixer          yes
22:21 OldCoder       Are you requesting a new doors mod?
22:22 OldCoder       How does latest doors mod behave?
22:22 OldCoder       And how did this work in Old Redcrab?
22:22 Fixer          i know only default one in mt
22:22 OldCoder       How did this work in Old Redcrab?
22:22 Fixer          by left click
22:22 OldCoder       So we should keep that, correct?
22:23 Fixer          depends on your liking, it is funny to open different doors with different mouse button, it is not a problem for me
22:23 OldCoder       I can ask VanessaE how to make HomeDecor doors the other way
22:23 Fixer          just describe it on forum
22:23 OldCoder       You can do so; I am exhausted :-)
22:23 OldCoder       I can ask VanessaE how to make HomeDecor doors the other way
22:23 Fixer          ok
22:23 OldCoder       Then it will be consistent
22:23 Fixer          no
22:23 OldCoder       Just ping VanessaE
22:23 OldCoder       No?
22:23 Fixer          Vanessas doors are right way
22:23 OldCoder       But we wish to match
22:23 Fixer          they open like default doors in 0.4.13
22:23 OldCoder       Old Redcrab
22:23 OldCoder       Correct?
22:24 OldCoder       I just found the change
22:24 OldCoder       One-line patch
22:24 OldCoder       And her doors will open with left-click
22:24 OldCoder       Making the change now
22:24 Fixer          you mean to ask Vanessa to patch old version of homedecor just for Red Crab so all doors will open with punch?
22:24 OldCoder       I  found it myself
22:24 OldCoder       One final question
22:24 Fixer          oh
22:25 OldCoder       Does new doors mod open left or right?
22:25 OldCoder       Latest?
22:25 Fixer          is this built in MT or separate mod?
22:25 OldCoder       Both. Let me clone MT_game now
22:25 OldCoder       brb
22:25 Fixer          default doors in Minetest Game open with right mouse click
22:25 Fixer          0.4.13
22:25 OldCoder       wait
22:26 OldCoder       stop talking 0.4.13 this is 0.4-Redcrab
22:26 OldCoder       wait
22:26 Fixer          ok
22:26 Fixer          we can make RedCrab way
22:26 Fixer          then make Vanessas doors open with punch
22:26 OldCoder       Which will people prefer?
22:26 Fixer          dunno, we can make a poll
22:27 OldCoder       I will make it Redcrab way for now
22:27 OldCoder       Can change later
22:27 OldCoder       Hang on
22:28 OldCoder       Restarting to make doors consistent
22:30 OldCoder       Fixer, indicate if it worked
22:30 Fixer          nope
22:30 Fixer          wait
22:30 * OldCoder     made the change
22:30 Fixer          same as before
22:30 OldCoder       Hm...
22:30 OldCoder       Wait
22:31 OldCoder       Oh lovely
22:31 OldCoder       Fixer, this is done at place time
22:31 Fixer          lol
22:31 OldCoder       We'd need to reset all doors
22:31 OldCoder       :D
22:31 Fixer          :S
22:31 Fixer          no way
22:31 OldCoder       Let me look at the other direction
22:32 OldCoder       Restarting to try new doors
22:33 OldCoder       Fixer, try both types of doors now using right-click
22:34 OldCoder       I think this is on-place too
22:34 OldCoder       This issue cannot be fixed if so
22:34 Fixer          it is consistent now
22:34 Fixer          all doors with right click now
22:35 OldCoder       Happy?
22:35 OldCoder       It is a change from Old Redcrab. Hopefully people will not be annoyed.
22:35 Fixer          yes, thank you! have you reverted Vanessa part to right click back?
22:35 OldCoder       Yes
22:35 OldCoder       Test it
22:36 Fixer          ok
22:36 Fixer          yes, doors are ok now, big thanks!
22:37 Fixer          i will resume with spawn slab fixes
22:40 OldCoder
22:42 cimbakahn      Does anyone know how to get the lv music player to play music?  And does anyone know how to make the cnc fully functional?
22:44 cimbakahn      I tryed them on server and single player both, and they are both a NO GO.
22:45 cimbakahn      If you have to add music for the lv music player, where do you put the music, and what format must it be in.
22:46 RealBadAngel   format is ogg
22:46 RealBadAngel   need to check for name format and the folder, hold on
22:47 cimbakahn      Both machines when attached to power read they are idle, so i am sure they work.  It's just that something is missing.
22:48 cimbakahn      It's just that they are both missing something.
22:48 RealBadAngel   'folder is ./sounds in technic mod
22:48 cimbakahn      ok
22:48 RealBadAngel   name is technic_trackX.ogg
22:48 RealBadAngel   x = 1 - 9
22:49 RealBadAngel   https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic_game/tree/master/mods/ambience/sounds
22:49 RealBadAngel   you can grab tracks from here
22:52 OldCoder       Fixer, I need to rest and work IRL. Please feel free to email me coords for areas to be reset. You don't need to repair slabs manually except in areas that we have already done work in.
22:52 cimbakahn      Is this the path you are talking about ----> /home/cimbakahn/.minetest/mods/technic/technic/sounds
22:52 Fixer          np, i just found a new pain in *** place near spawn
22:52 OldCoder
22:52 Fixer          with lots of stairs :S
22:53 OldCoder       !
22:53 OldCoder       Wait
22:53 Fixer          that red and glass thing %)
22:53 OldCoder       We *can* reset that! Just beware: Reset affects the entire 16x16x16 map blocks
22:53 OldCoder       Is this building near sensitive areas?
22:53 Fixer          yeah
22:54 Fixer          nevermind i will do it manually
22:54 OldCoder       Use your own judgment. I don't object to resetting near spawn. It depends on what work we have done there.
22:54 OldCoder       OK
22:54 OldCoder       As you see fit
22:54 Fixer          pain in the ass, but i can do it in a hour or so and dozens of screwdrivers %)
22:54 OldCoder       I'll be here this evening, which I assume will be the morning your time
22:54 OldCoder       The building is much smaller than 16x16x16 ?
22:55 Fixer          it has 4 support structures and they all made of stairs :S
22:55 OldCoder       The building is much smaller than 16x16x16 ?
22:55 Fixer          bigger
22:55 OldCoder       Then
22:55 OldCoder       why don't we reset its interior parts?
22:55 OldCoder       Do this
22:55 OldCoder       Divide xyz by 16
22:55 OldCoder       Truncate decimal parts
22:55 OldCoder       Then you can see exactly what mapblocks are affected
22:55 OldCoder       Do you follow?
22:56 Fixer          it is painful, let me do it manually
22:56 OldCoder       I will rest now
22:56 OldCoder
22:56 Fixer          even sadism could be good sometimes
22:56 OldCoder       This is masochism actually
22:56 Fixer          lol
22:56 OldCoder       Hm before I go I will come look
22:57 OldCoder       remember that you have settime
22:57 OldCoder       We could easily reset this
22:58 OldCoder       OK
22:58 OldCoder       ttyl
22:58 Fixer          i think i can fix it easily with screws
22:58 Fixer          needs only one rotation
22:59 Fixer          practically all slabs are fixed by left mouse click with screwdriver
22:59 Fixer          don't bother i will fix it
23:13 Fixer          fixed it
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