Time  Nick           Message
00:00 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: RemoteViewer [remoteview] by Napiophelios - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10177
00:00 rubenwardy     ...
00:00 rubenwardy     https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3924
00:00 rubenwardy     also see
00:00 rubenwardy     !mod IRC Chat
00:00 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: IRC Chat (Huge rewrite!) [irc] by kaeza - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=3905
00:00 hoodedice      server commands? ./minetest to start the game, Ctrl+ C to shut down the server
00:00 hoodedice      ./s
00:01 RicePancake    thank you rubenwardy, that is what I was looking for
00:01 hoodedice      !next
00:01 MinetestBot    Another satisfied customer. Next!
00:03 cimbakahn      That MinetestBot is getting more human all the time.  HAHA!
00:27 hoodedice      waressearcher2, so you are saying you can help me with C?
00:45 waressearcher2 hoodedice: I know some C, thats all I say
00:55 rubenwardy     Programming C now, for university assignment
00:55 rubenwardy     It's pretty much the same as C++
01:17 cg_            https://github.com/pinkysnowman/projection_light << great lights, no lag, work underwater or into water :) best shit ever
01:25 Inocudom       VanessaE: I think we may have a potential problem in the forums: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=13190
01:26 Inocudom       At first, this topic was meant to address problems in the Minetest community that oOChainLynxOo pointed out. Problems that you yourself likely noticed.
01:27 Inocudom       However, it has turned into, well, a war.
01:27 VanessaE       topic locked.
01:28 Inocudom       Good. That was the only option.
01:29 Inocudom       Minetest's community has enough problems as it is. It doesn't need hostlity from outside sources.
01:32 Inocudom       I see that one of your friends added more colors to beds and infurn furniture. Other colored nodes might benefit too.
01:33 VanessaE       what was done to add those colors (using the ^[colorize parameter) has already been done pretty much everywhere else
01:34 Inocudom       Which is a good thing. Features like that are very useful.
01:35 waressearcher2 there are "problems in the Minetest community" ?
01:37 Inocudom       waressearcher2: Unfortunately, yes. For example, a fair number of servers have random blocks placed and dug everywhere, and dating seems to happen regularly.
01:38 VanessaE       dating is forbidden on my servers
01:40 Inocudom       There is also the conflict between 4aiman and MinetestForFun recently as well. Also, there are a number of members that post very few times in the Minetest forums due to an issue that they are having and never post again.
01:41 VanessaE       I attribute it to growing pains.
01:42 Inocudom       If lots of people post only once of twice and never again, the community ends up rather empty in the end.
01:42 VanessaE       you will find the same thing in just about any gaming community.
01:42 VanessaE       or for that matter, just about any online community of any kind
01:43 Inocudom       Fortunately, we still do have some of our longstanding members with us, like Sokomine and Rubenwardy.
02:19 swift110-phone Hey all
03:32 Inocudom       swift110-phone: Hello.
03:47 Inocudom       Bye.
04:19 swift110-phone Hey inocudom how r u
05:41 bob_           anyone got any tips for getting the animals mod to worl?
05:41 bob_           *work*
06:22 Megaf          Heyah
07:04 Thomas-S       hi
07:04 Krock          hello
07:16 Megaf          Hi Thomas-S Krock
07:17 Megaf          Hows things?
07:17 Megaf          !server Megaf
07:17 MinetestBot    Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/11, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
07:17 Krock          respect. 7ms ping
07:17 Megaf          meh, people liking my ping, I miss the day I had 2ms ping.
07:18 Megaf          I will never figure out what happened, if it's a minetest regresion or some issue with my server
07:18 Krock          but online_players does, sadly, not depends on ping :P
07:18 Krock          -s
07:19 Krock          Figure a wa to measure the ping exact then multiplicate it with light speed and you've got the distance
07:19 Krock          *way
07:20 Krock          You may subtract 1 ms that's caused by the routers on both sides
07:21 Megaf          I will try somewthing here, hold on
07:21 Megaf          by the way, so today I had this weird nightmare
07:22 Krock          Was there an Oerkki under your bed?
07:22 Megaf          My grandparent was with me (we live several thousands of kilometers away) and I was very sad because I used his credit card number to subscribe to Netflix and it was very difficult for him to afford that.
07:23 Megaf          grandfather*
07:23 Krock          Omg. It's really here. Advertisements in our dreams from the companies at night.
07:24 Megaf          Oo
07:24 Krock          Hmm.. in which anime did this happen again...
07:24 Megaf          Krock: now, that's some scary stuff
07:39 Krock          !tell rubenwardy Only the first argument of !mod is used "!mod IRC Chat" -> it searchs for "IRC", "Chat" is ignored
07:39 MinetestBot    Krock: I'll pass that on when rubenwardy is around
07:41 Krock          What happened to the amazing relies challenge topic? Did it die?
07:42 Krock          Yes, looks like it went to the topic graveyard. "You are not authorised to read this forum."
07:43 asl97          !mod more
07:43 MinetestBot    asl97: More Blocks [moreblocks] by Calinou - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=509
07:43 asl97          !mod more tree
07:43 MinetestBot    asl97: More Blocks [moreblocks] by Calinou - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=509
07:43 asl97          hmmm, it really is ignore
07:44 Krock          one 'm' more and someone's happy that you pinged him
07:52 Krock          What's this text format again? </Krock>
07:54 Megaf          anyone has any idea on how do I solve this? "Policy "CMP0054" is not known to this version of CMake."
07:57 sfan5          Megaf: update your CMake, but if everything works it probably does not matter
07:57 Krock          It's just a warning, so ignore it
08:54 asl97          why does it ignore it though,  the regex should pass `more tree`,  if anything, it should have error with 400 since urllib.request doesn't escape the space
09:04 Krock          asl97, https://github.com/sfan5/minetestbot-modules/blob/master/modsearch.py#L12 I'm not sure how to include the other args too
09:04 asl97          group(2) should return `more tree` since the regex is https://github.com/sfan5/phenny/blob/master/bot.py#L180
09:05 Megaf          !server NORULES
09:05 MinetestBot    Megaf: No results
09:05 Megaf          !server NORULES
09:05 MinetestBot    Megaf: No results
09:05 Megaf          !up 139.162.150.137
09:05 MinetestBot    139.162.150.137:30000 is up (29ms)
09:06 Megaf          !up 139.162.150.137
09:06 MinetestBot    139.162.150.137:30000 is up (7ms)
09:06 Megaf          !server NORULES
09:06 MinetestBot    Megaf: No results
09:06 asl97          Krock: and the web.get doesn't seem to do anything special to the url > https://github.com/sfan5/phenny/blob/master/web.py#L16
09:07 Megaf          !server NO RULES
09:07 MinetestBot    Megaf: NO RULES! | 139.162.150.137 | Clients: 0/99, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / NORULES | Ping: 7ms
09:07 Megaf          there
09:07 Megaf          :)
09:07 Megaf          !server Megaf
09:07 MinetestBot    Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/11, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
09:07 Megaf          so this 7ms ping is bots fault, the bot is laggy
09:07 Megaf          Krock: ^
09:08 Megaf          I used to get 2ms ping, but now a days the bot is laggier :P
09:08 Megaf          by the way, NO RULES is located n Frankfurt
09:08 Krock          Why Frankfurt?
09:09 Megaf          Why not?
09:09 Megaf          I could choose London or Franfurt, so I've chosen Franfurt
09:09 Megaf          Frankfurt*
09:14 sfan5          Megaf: 7ms is laggy?
09:15 sfan5          asl97: the problem if probably that the resulting url is "http://nimg.pf-control.de/MTstuff/modSearchAPI.php?q=more trees" which is invalid (the space needs to be escaped)
09:16 asl97          if that is the case, it should have error
09:16 sfan5          uh
09:16 sfan5          not really
09:20 sfan5          Megaf: why is 7ms too "laggy"?
09:41 Megaf          sfan5: it isnt, but not long ago, the bot would say 2ms
09:42 Megaf          sfan5: just after we fixed that bug the it would report a much higher ping than it was in reality
09:47 Megaf          Does anyone here plays Dota 2?
09:48 Megaf          !server NO RULES
09:48 MinetestBot    Megaf: NO RULES! | 139.162.150.137 | Clients: 8/99, 5/8 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / NORULES | Ping: 7ms
10:07 CWz            no rules server tikes
10:07 CWz            *yikes
10:12 Megaf          Its just a test :)
10:13 CWz            a test of what?
10:14 Megaf          Im load testing my server in Frankfurt, to see if it worth it to move from it from London to Frankfurt
10:19 Megaf          !server NO RULES
10:19 MinetestBot    Megaf: NO RULES! | 139.162.150.137 | Clients: 12/99, 6/12 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / NORULES | Ping: 7ms
10:21 Krock          Megaf, do you expect 99 players?
10:21 Megaf          yep
10:22 Megaf          !server NO RULES
10:22 MinetestBot    Megaf: NO RULES! | 139.162.150.137 | Clients: 19/99, 6/19 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / NORULES | Ping: 7ms
10:22 Krock          yes, it's good.. seen it already 5 times
10:23 * Megaf        will talk in private from MinetestBot
10:25 Calinou        !server hunger games
10:25 MinetestBot    Calinou: HUNGER GAMES [Europe/Reims] | 178.170.68.180 | Clients: 3/20, 2/19 | Version: 0.4.12 / hungry_games | Ping: 14ms
10:27 CWz            wow Megaf no rules is near the top
10:27 Megaf          28 people there now
10:28 Megaf          88% of CPU used
10:31 Calinou        my server gets 90% of CPU load with 19 players
10:32 nrzkt          !Appletree
10:32 nrzkt          !server AppleTree
10:33 nrzkt          hey MinetestBot !
10:33 Megaf          32 players
10:33 nrzkt          !server AppleTree
10:34 nrzkt          stupid MinetestBot
10:34 Megaf          I should have done that earlier to fight those stupid servers
10:36 Krock          <3 MinetestBot
10:36 MinetestBot    <3 Krock
10:40 Megaf          NO RULES has the lowest ping and lag and one of the highest player number http://servers.minetest.net/
10:40 Megaf          hm, not the lowest ping
10:41 Megaf          !server Craig's Server
10:41 MinetestBot    Megaf: Craig's Server | minetest.davison.io | Clients: 1/50, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / Craig-Server | Ping: 1ms
10:41 Megaf          !server NO RULES
10:41 MinetestBot    Megaf: NO RULES! | 139.162.150.137 | Clients: 29/99, 10/32 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / NORULES | Ping: 8ms
10:47 Krock          Hahaha
10:50 rubenwardy     <Megaf> I should have done that earlier to fight those stupid servers
10:50 rubenwardy     done what?
10:52 rubenwardy     MinetestBot!
10:52 MinetestBot    rubenwardy!
10:52 rubenwardy     No messages for me? :'(
10:55 rubenwardy     http://irc.minetest.ru/minetest/2015-09-26#i_4405500
11:17 sfan5          nrzkt2: i fixed MinetestBot, you should be able to use it again
11:18 nrzkt2         sfan5: thanks
11:18 nrzkt2         !server AppleTree
11:18 MinetestBot    nrzkt2: AppleTree - Survival & Build | pts.epixel-game.net | Clients: 7/50, 5/8 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / epixel | Ping: 10ms
11:18 nrzkt2         better :)
11:48 CWz            epixel?
12:00 * Jordach      has an idea
12:07 Krock          omg.
12:13 nrzkt2         CWz: epixel
12:14 Krock          nrzkt2, what does the 'e' stand for?
12:14 CWz            is epixel a fork?
12:15 nrzkt2         CWz: right, it's a fork, but synced with minetest, and as i'm a minetest core developper, i do regularly PR when the PR is compat with minetest philosophy :)
12:17 nrzkt          but CWz it's a fork with a different philosophy with some different goals and which add features, performance enhancement where needed (and not allowed to MT in these areas) and improved database support
12:18 Krock          another freeminer?
12:18 nrzkt          no
12:18 nrzkt          freeminer is very like minetest, it's not our goal :)
12:18 Krock          lol
12:18 nrzkt          code has changed, and at a moment we will change the client and cut the minetest compat, but not atm :)
12:19 nrzkt          atm it's essentially enhancement to server side content + performances + features
12:20 Krock          I'd like to see the performance improvments in Minetest too :)
12:20 nrzkt          i gave them to MT when it's possible
12:20 nrzkt          if you look at the commit tree :p
12:20 nrzkt          but somes are impossible, because they are against minetest modularity
12:20 Krock          I see
12:20 CWz            where can I find this epixel
12:21 Krock          good question
12:21 nrzkt          on our gitlab authenticated repository. BUt warning, epixelserver is not as easy as minetest to compile & install :p
12:21 nrzkt          epixelserver require redis + postgresql
12:21 CWz            pass...
12:21 nrzkt          and gcc 5.2 or Clang 3.6
12:22 Krock          both? that's kinda stupid when you only can use one
12:22 nrzkt          lol krock
12:22 nrzkt          i you know our architecture...
12:22 Krock          I'm talking about the backends
12:22 nrzkt          it's not minetest database, it's epixel database, we have many tables
12:22 Jordach        the devs have egos that ignore pulls if they don't get them pulled in
12:22 nrzkt          redis is the best for map database performance, and postgresql for our relational database
12:22 nrzkt          in postgresql we have creature defines, players, accounts, etc
12:22 Calinou        a map is not Big Data :)
12:23 nrzkt          redis is not for big data
12:23 nrzkt          redis is only a nosql
12:23 Krock          now add leveldb too and windows users gonna hate you when compiling that stuff
12:23 nrzkt          it's not hadoop
12:23 nrzkt          we are not focusing users who wants to compile, but users who wants to play :)
12:23 Krock          I finally should find a way to include leveldb into my builds
12:24 nrzkt          leveldb has been dropped from our support, client support sqlite it's sufficient for 1-5 players if you want massive performance use the epixelserver with the optimized database backends
12:25 nrzkt          and leveldb is compilable on windows :p
12:26 nrzkt          for somes who wants to look: http://gitlab.unix-experience.fr/epixel/epixel
12:27 asl97          not public, need register
12:27 nrzkt          not my problem, you register you have access to it, GPL didn't say you should have public access :)
12:29 Calinou        the source code should be easy to get using a free (sic) client software
12:29 nrzkt          you login, you pull. That's not difficult :)
12:29 Calinou        http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq#SourceInCVS
12:29 asl97          there isn't even a tos nor pp
12:30 nrzkt          tos ? pp ?
12:30 Krock          years later, when nrzkt is dictator of the world: "Sir, our farmers want more money for their work, thus they stopped producing food" Dictator: "Not my problem, kill those who won't work, the law didn't say they can have more money"
12:31 nrzkt          xD
12:31 nrzkt          nice comparison without sense :p
12:31 asl97          Krock: terms and conditions, privacy policy
12:31 Krock          ^^
12:31 asl97          ugh,  misclick
12:57 nrzkt          also epixel has a server console, without adding additionnal deps to server , permitting to interact with server
12:57 nrzkt          and support for player channels permitting players to create channels, join and talk on it :)
13:06 Jordach        but, does it have modding APIs?
13:06 Jordach        (and mesh support?)
13:14 CWz            an ip v6 vanessa
13:14 nrzkt          Jordach: yes as it's a minetest derivate :)
13:15 VanessaE       yep
13:15 VanessaE       I've been screwing around a bit with it
13:16 VanessaE       doesn't always work because I haven't read up on using dhcpv6
13:24 Out`Of`Control hi
13:24 VanessaE       hi
13:24 Out`Of`Control i keep gettings WARNING: Undeclared global variable "mki_interact_keyword" accessed at ...inetest/bin/../mods/homedecor_modpack/signs_lib/init.lua:440
13:24 Out`Of`Control how disable interact_keyword?
13:24 VanessaE       ignore it.
13:25 Out`Of`Control ok
13:26 Out`Of`Control i have 2 more from 2 other mods
13:26 Out`Of`Control WARNING: Assignment to undeclared global "node" inside a function at ...minetest/bin/../games/ayntest/mods/farming_plus/init.lua:72.
13:26 Out`Of`Control is it ok to paste error of 1 line?
13:26 VanessaE       that one's a bug, sorta. (variables should be local whenever possible)
13:27 Out`Of`Control WARNING: Undeclared global variable "HUD_ENABLE_HUNGER" accessed at /home/minetest/minetest/bin/../mods/hud/builtin.lua:41
13:28 Out`Of`Control i use latest hud mod
13:28 VanessaE       idk about that one.
13:28 Out`Of`Control VanessaE: thanks
13:34 Out`Of`Control VanessaE:  there is a bug with homedecore modpack, some white lamp that are on turn into unknown block, after i update that mod
13:34 VanessaE       odd
13:35 VanessaE       must be a missing alias somewhere.  what's the node name that shows when you point at it? (F5)
13:37 Out`Of`Control i see nothing
13:37 VanessaE       huh.
13:38 Out`Of`Control unknown block
13:38 VanessaE       dig the node, exit the game, and look in your player file ( <minetest>/worlds/<your_world>/players/singleplayer )
13:38 asl97          isn't unknown block unbreakable?
13:38 VanessaE       the node name should be in that file; items are listed from left to right, top to bottom.
13:38 VanessaE       asl97: quite the opposite.
13:41 Out`Of`Control VanessaE:  this is what i see in logs
13:41 Out`Of`Control WARNING: Not registering alias, item with same name is already defined: homedecor:standing_lamp_whiteoff -> homedecor:standing_lamp_white_off
13:41 VanessaE       ok
13:42 VanessaE       I probably just need to switch the terms in the alias then
13:44 Out`Of`Control and one other small bug, maybe you know about it
13:44 Out`Of`Control all default:sign_wall turn into same direction
13:44 VanessaE       known.
13:44 VanessaE       that's the result of an update I did that makes them all behave like default signs
13:45 VanessaE       so that existing worlds can be upgraded to use signs_lib.  side effect is that existing signs in a world that already had signs_lib get flipped wrongly
13:45 VanessaE       just use the screwdriver.
13:45 Out`Of`Control yeah i use screwdriver
13:47 Out`Of`Control thanks for help
14:00 Krock          VanessaE, so you have 180° rotated texts?
14:01 rubenwardy     https://github.com/rubenwardy/capturetheflag/blob/master/build.sh
14:02 rubenwardy     Automatically caches settings by making them into  constants in the code
14:02 rubenwardy     it's a preprocessor
14:04 VanessaE       Krock: eh?
14:39 arsdragonfly   after installing numpy & python-leveldb my minetestserver fails to startup,
14:40 arsdragonfly   and re-compiling fails at the linking stage
14:40 Krock          a log may help more than 1000 words
14:42 arsdragonfly   Krock: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12575977/
14:43 Krock          maybe is the leveldb version too old?
14:53 sfan5          arsdragonfly: do you use ubuntu 12.04?
14:57 arsdragonfly   sfan5: debian stretch
14:58 sfan5          hm
14:58 arsdragonfly   sfan5: seems libleveldb-dev has different dependencies on jessie and stretch
14:58 sfan5          ubuntu 12.04 has a broken leveldb too
14:58 arsdragonfly   one is libleveldb, the other is libleveldb1v5
15:00 xfceKris       so...upgrade?
15:01 arsdragonfly   downgrade, i would say
15:02 arsdragonfly   sfan5: any hotfixes for libleveldb1v5(1.18-5)?
15:03 arsdragonfly   the compilation broke like this: http://paste.ubuntu.com/12575977/
15:26 clueless_user_ hi guys, anyone got windows binary of MT compiled with this PR https://github.com/minetest/minetest/pull/3166 ? Want to test it for FPS gains.
15:26 Krock          See latest comment
15:27 clueless_user_ ah
15:27 Krock          You'll get your build when that's fixed, don't worry ;)
15:28 clueless_user_ and RealBadAngel is away for some time since September 5
15:28 clueless_user_ no problem
15:28 clueless_user_ i will wait for it
15:28 clueless_user_ i'm sick of this microstuttering
15:28 clueless_user_ or how it is called
15:28 clueless_user_ and 0.4.4 on redcrab works FLAWLESSLY
15:29 Krock          using a 0.4.4 client or newer?
15:29 clueless_user_ no stutter, good fps :(
15:29 clueless_user_ 0.4.4
15:29 clueless_user_ client
15:29 Krock          That's because the map never changes - there are no swapping nodes (on/off) like they're in the technic mod
15:30 clueless_user_ it is still impressive
15:30 clueless_user_ smooooth
15:30 Krock          Yeah, as if you would play on singleplayer
15:30 clueless_user_ i was only person on it
15:30 clueless_user_ no
15:30 arsdragonfly   sfan5: I performed a dist-upgrade and everything works fine now.
15:30 clueless_user_ singleplayer lags for me ^_^
15:31 arsdragonfly   !server arsdragonfly
15:31 MinetestBot    arsdragonfly: Arsdragonfly's testing Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 388ms
15:31 Krock          clueless_user_, this means you should adjust your minetest.conf settings
15:31 clueless_user_ i got even worse stutters on singleplayer (but after some time they are gone)
15:31 Krock          I think Megaf can smile now when you look at this ping
15:31 clueless_user_ i know
15:32 clueless_user_ it is just i3 and R6870 is too slow for minetest? o.O
15:32 Krock          clueless_user_, I'm here on a 2.4 GHz singlecore, so don't cry.
15:32 clueless_user_ haha
15:32 clueless_user_ i was on 2.8 Pentium playing MT in 2011 iirc
15:32 Krock          however, I'm mainly playin on 1.8 GHz, so the cooler doesn't make noise
15:33 sfan5          clueless_user_: that PR won't help because i requires changes on the server side too
15:33 sfan5          it*
15:33 nrzkt          !server AppleTree
15:33 MinetestBot    nrzkt: AppleTree - Survival & Build | pts.epixel-game.net | Clients: 8/50, 6/11 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / epixel | Ping: 10ms
15:34 Krock          RIP, ping of 1ms
15:34 clueless_user_ btw, stutters looks the same between P4 2.8Ghz / ATI R9600XT (like 10 year OLD), and Core i3 / ATI R6870 (medium end PC), on different versions
15:34 clueless_user_ never cured that for me
15:34 clueless_user_ FPS is much better though
15:34 clueless_user_ it is chunk loading that causes the stutter
15:34 clueless_user_ on singleplayer
15:34 clueless_user_ or generation
15:34 Krock          Did you ever hear of the squash command?
15:35 clueless_user_ nope
15:35 Krock          It merges many commits/changes into one, you can do the same with your messages, but manually.
15:36 arsdragonfly   !server arsdragonfly
15:36 MinetestBot    arsdragonfly: Arsdragonfly's Landrush! Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 277ms
15:36 Krock          Already asked other people who wrote one-word-messages but they mostly didn't understand it
15:36 arsdragonfly   check out my updated server: https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=8921&p=192630#p192630
15:37 * Krock        reads outda- ehm.. no.. updated!
15:37 Krock          arsdragonfly, I think the people would like to have a screenshot and a full list of mods
15:37 MinetestBot    02[git] 04netinetwalker -> 03minetest/minetest: redis: throw error if block request failed 13524a765 http://git.io/vnhZi (152015-09-26T17:36:59+02:00)
15:38 arsdragonfly   I slightly modified the landrush mod so that it protects from the underground all the way to the sky
15:38 arsdragonfly   hmm, nice suggestion
15:38 Krock          clueless_user_, sorry when I attacked you, but I kinda dislike one-word-messages :/
15:39 heavygale      hey there,... is anyone of you using the irc mod ( https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc )? I only get the following Error when enabling the mod:  stack traceback: ERROR[main]: [C]: in function 'require' ../mods/irc/init.lua:36: in main chunk
15:39 clueless_user_ no big deal, i can write very long messages myself. I'm more intrigued about that RedBadAngel PR that increases FPS for him, i will wait for it to test if it really helps.
15:39 Krock          arsdragonfly, additional to this: Does landrush damage a player that tried to edit the area?
15:40 est31          i think it does
15:40 Krock          clueless_user_, but yes, sfan5 is right, the servers must update too, to make profit with your FPS count
15:40 clueless_user_ I understand, I will test it on singleplayer and people will eventually move their servers on it (probably)
15:41 Krock          heavygale, is the error log longer, or is that the complete error output?
15:42 heavygale      Krock: http://paste.boolshit.de/p6vg9gui2/ckmkca
15:43 Krock          Looking at https://github.com/kaeza/minetest-irc/blob/master/init.lua#L36 .. it can't load the irc module
15:44 Krock          there is a reference to https://github.com/ShadowNinja/LuaIRC , do you have that installed too, heavygale ?
15:44 heavygale      i did, the files are in mod/irc/irc
15:45 heavygale      I did the recursive clone
15:45 Krock          compiled it like in the readme described?
15:46 clueless_user_ what is interesting, it is subjective, but on my slow 1.8 Ghz Pentium laptop with Intel -> block generation is smoother for me than on faster PC, probably because fps is already low and it is less visible, while on good pc fps is high and stutters worsens it to noticable levels
15:46 Krock          *installed, I mean
15:47 heavygale      yes, lua-socket is installed in the newest version.
15:47 Krock          `I am at my wit's end.`
15:48 heavygale      sadly the error message itsn't that meaningfultoo -.-
15:50 ElectronLibre  heavygale, there was a trick with the irc mod which was to compile minetest with /usr as the install prefix, thus, Minetest would look into /usr/lib/lua/.... and find the library.
15:51 ElectronLibre  I don't know why that mod is still that hard to install, how is it still possible that nobody figured out for which particular reason it cannot find the libraries yet.
15:52 heavygale      but LuaIRC is loacted in a subfolder of the mod itself.. and lua is installed in the home directory of my minetest system user :P
15:53 heavygale      oh, let's try setting this path a few lines above...
15:55 ElectronLibre  It's not luaIRC that the mod is looking for, it's lua-socket's library (as far as I could tell from the previous crash logs I inspected last time I tried to help someone to update that mod)
15:56 heavygale      alright,.. mine is not at the locations listet in the file... I'll change them :)
16:03 arsdragonfly   !server arsdragonfly
16:03 MinetestBot    arsdragonfly: Arsdragonfly's Landrush! Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 313ms
16:08 arsdragonfly   !server arsdragonfly
16:08 MinetestBot    arsdragonfly: Arsdragonfly's Landrush! Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 278ms
16:08 arsdragonfly   The server is back up again now. I need a lot of cobblestone for infrastructure, so I'll buy some from other players thru AdvancedMarket mod.
16:09 arsdragonfly   sell them to me and you'll have money.
16:14 Krock          arsdragonfly, have you seen the valleys mod yet? If you have a new world, it would be amazing to have that on a server
16:18 heavygale      damn irc mod :D
16:20 CWz            might want to take care of this write away could be a virus post spam https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=13308&p=192644#p192644
16:23 Krock          CWz, it sohuld be reported & deleted - he uses a jpg image
16:24 Krock          Minetest actually had such a window back in 0.4.9, but I haven't seen one recently
16:24 Krock          The post is horribly written and formatted, another reason for counting it as spam
16:25 CWz            it also links to a bad website i belive
16:27 CWz            site address seem suspicious
17:47 waressearcher2 !up 74.125.143.18 80
17:47 MinetestBot    74.125.143.18:80 seems to be down
17:48 waressearcher2 why is it says down when it know its up ?
17:48 waressearcher2 its not a minetest server its gmail server
17:50 Krock          it checks for UDP port 30000
17:50 kahrl          "!up" only checks minetest servers
17:52 kahrl          heh http://upforeveryoneorjustme.com/
17:54 Calinou        lol, hostgator ad
17:54 Krock          kahrl, lovely site :D
17:55 Krock          "It's just you. Nobody else can see google.com"
17:56 clueless_user  i can't use google.com
17:56 clueless_user  because, I'm banned from it by Google, because CGNAT, my ass
17:57 Calinou        it's not a loss :)
17:57 Krock          duckduckgo :)
17:57 clueless_user  using https://search.disconnect.me
17:58 sfan5          clueless_user: that seems unlikely
17:58 sfan5          lots of mobile providers use cgnat
17:58 sfan5          and you can use google just fine
17:59 clueless_user  why on Earth i changed my ISP plan :( saved 5 bucks per month and loose my real dynamic IP, i was horryfied (and there were no indication of BS coming)
17:59 clueless_user  it is not even crappy "mobile" operator
18:00 nrzkt          !server Apple
18:00 MinetestBot    nrzkt: AppleTree - Survival & Build | pts.epixel-game.net | Clients: 4/50, 3/4 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / epixel | Ping: 13ms
18:00 sfan5          nrzkt pls
18:00 clueless_user  more like big monopoly ISP
18:00 Krock          nrzkt pls
18:00 clueless_user  that has no ipv4 addresses left
18:01 est31          nrzkt, heard of /msg MinetestBot !server Apple
18:01 sfan5          but then nobody would see him advertising the server
18:02 nrzkt          oh sorry :)
18:02 nrzkt          why not tell MinetestBot to tell directly to the person, it's what i do with my bots :)
18:02 clueless_user  join Xanadu Crash Survival *cough* not advertising *cough*
18:02 est31          there would still be <nrzkt> !server Apple
18:02 sfan5          !server ping:least
18:02 MinetestBot    sfan5: Craig's Server | minetest.davison.io | Clients: 9/50, 6/14 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / Craig-Server | Ping: 1ms
18:03 clueless_user  3 crashes in 10 minutes
18:03 clueless_user  it is that bad these days with servers stability
18:03 nrzkt          sfan5: craig servers is on the serverlist server  no ?
18:03 Krock          We need a rickroll game and some servers to flood all other advertisements with it
18:03 nrzkt          clueless_user: stability is due to mod problems generally
18:04 sfan5          nrzkt: MinetestBot wouldn't display servers if they were not on the server list
18:04 clueless_user  yeah, too bad problems are not fixed (or fixed slowly) :(
18:04 nrzkt          sfan5: sorry i would said, hosted on the same machine
18:04 sfan5          oh
18:04 sfan5          no it's not
18:05 nrzkt          1ms is generally the same LAN or host :p
18:05 Krock          Imagine it would be possible to know all Minetest servers on the world without having a master server list ...
18:05 nrzkt          scan port 30000-30005 on every ip with a little minetest ping client hop :D
18:05 Krock          Checking all 255*255*255*255*65535 IPs and ports
18:05 sfan5          nrzkt: it seems to be hosted at vmbox.co
18:05 Krock          EVERY SECOND.
18:06 clueless_user  is it just me or 0.4.13 servers crash more often? only servers with 1d uptime with players is generally < 0.4.13
18:06 sfan5          nrzkt: http://i.imgur.com/k1DqW0Z.png
18:06 sfan5          it's also in amsterdam
18:06 sfan5          which is why the ping is so low
18:07 Krock          clueless_user, no, the server admins just create backups more often  ^^
18:07 sfan5          ^
18:07 clueless_user  %)
18:07 nrzkt          yeah :) sfan5 AppleTree is in Paris :p
18:07 Krock          there's also one in front of my house
18:07 clueless_user  is it possible to make a backup on the fly?
18:07 sfan5          no
18:08 Krock          clueless_user, yes but I wouldn't call it safe
18:09 Krock          clueless_user, a 2nd yes when you fly over a world while copying the map to your disk!
18:09 Krock          hehehe. Nailed it.
18:10 sfan5          wub wub wub wub wub
18:10 clueless_user  current 0.4.13 uptimes, 4hr, 4hr, 10hr, 8hr, 8hr, 1hr, 8hr, 18hr, 1hr, 16hr, must be good backups :D
18:10 clueless_user  and of course 0 sec Xanadu
18:10 clueless_user  as always
18:11 clueless_user  top 10 0.4.13 srvs from serverlist
18:12 * Mati^1       hallo
18:12 Krock          #minetest-de ?
18:13 nrzkt          clueless_user, please note my server has 1.3h uptime because i rebooted it to change things, else no problem to have 2 or 3 days uptime ^^
18:13 clueless_user  good news
18:13 clueless_user  my hope-meter has increased
18:13 nrzkt          i think some admins are crazy with mods and don't look at the compat or the stability of them, using trunk instead of stable releases :)
18:14 nrzkt          and don't fix themselves the problematic mods
18:14 clueless_user  big problem - mobs, looks like they make too much lag for server
18:14 nrzkt          in fact this is a lua problem
18:15 clueless_user  and people do want mobs a lot
18:15 Jordach        nrzkt, can i see a few screenshots of epixel?
18:15 nrzkt          i ported the mobs stack to C++ and the lag disappear
18:15 nrzkt          idem with item_drop
18:15 Jordach        just interested in how it looks :P
18:15 clueless_user  nrzkt, available for download?
18:15 nrzkt          it looks like every minetest server with buildings :p
18:15 Jordach        nrzkt, ah
18:16 nrzkt          it's not a different game it's just a minetest_game with some mods added to it, not really new content, except the player channels, the server console, the datas migrated to database
18:17 nrzkt          client side there is no real enhancement atm we are focusing on server performance and functions
18:18 nrzkt          clueless_user, only sources are available
18:18 clueless_user  ah
18:18 nrzkt          we aren't distributing it atm, it's in devel
18:18 nrzkt          but you are free to compile it and use the server if you want
18:18 clueless_user  it is server-side?
18:19 nrzkt          you can also use the client, because it embed the server :)
18:19 nrzkt          and there is a converted to migrate minetest datas to epixel database
18:20 clueless_user  lol, another wish topic for 0.5 https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=13307
18:20 nrzkt          but there is no public download available, we are not ready, and we will do it, when we will be ready
18:20 Krock          "datas"... does that even exist?
18:20 Krock          clueless_user, reported with my hands
18:21 nrzkt          datas = auth, players, inventories, bans, homes for example :)
18:21 nrzkt          i go to lunch see you
18:21 * Calinou      reports Krock with hooves
18:21 Krock          ouch.
18:22 Calinou        anyway, locked topic
18:22 Calinou        it's sad there are 3-4 topics about the issue already :P
18:23 CWz            which issues?
18:23 clueless_user  laaags
18:23 CWz            hmm I would like link to ePixel
18:23 swift110       cool
18:23 Krock          clueless_user, 618 ms isn't that laggy
18:24 Calinou        depends on game
18:24 Calinou        I defy you to play any FPS with 300 ms :)
18:24 Krock          Realtime Shooter!
18:24 sfan5          Calinou: tell that to the Cube 2: Sauerbraten players from brazil
18:25 swift110       hey Calinou how are you?
18:25 clueless_user  pfff
18:25 clueless_user  I play on Extreme Lag Survival with 30 sec lag
18:25 clueless_user  for real
18:25 clueless_user  not joking
18:25 waressearcher2 "618 ms isn't that laggy", for chess ?
18:26 sfan5          Calinou: or: top server today was/is one from the US, 28 players with >100ms ping from europe, 2 with <100ms ping from the US
18:26 clueless_user  and it is maike and his son, probably
18:26 Calinou        swift110, hi, fine
18:27 Calinou        sfan5, yeah lol
18:27 Calinou        I played Sauerbraten today, and I saw a player with 250 ms ping on ffa
18:27 Calinou        their movement was pretty choppy
18:27 Calinou        waressearcher2, depends on speed of chess
18:27 Calinou        on bullet, most players will yell if they have > 100 ms
18:27 clueless_user  speed of brain
18:27 sfan5          <Calinou18> I played Sauerbraten today
18:27 sfan5          TIL you do
18:27 Calinou        I do since several years already :p
18:28 clueless_user  my ISP was so crappy for years, with pings in country worse than to Germany
18:28 clueless_user  best ping was 100 ms
18:28 sfan5          Calinou: yeah but i thought that you don't really play actively
18:28 sfan5          ukrtel?
18:28 Calinou        my gaming is split between a few games really
18:28 sfan5          sounds like ukraine
18:28 Calinou        OpenArena, Xonotic, QuakeWorld, Minetest, Sauerbraten, X-Moto these days
18:28 clueless_user  yes
18:28 clueless_user  ukrtel s---
18:29 waressearcher2 Calinou: some people play over paper mail
18:29 sfan5          waressearcher2: IP over Carrier Pigeon
18:29 waressearcher2 clueless_user: is there a way to recognize if your ISP uses CGNat ?
18:29 clueless_user  yes
18:29 Calinou        we need GEMANAT
18:29 clueless_user  it gives 10.10.crap.crap IP to your router iirc
18:29 Calinou        detects copyrighted musics in your router
18:30 sfan5          clueless_user: not always 10.x.x.x, generally any private ip
18:30 clueless_user  could be
18:30 clueless_user  anyway it is big loss for me
18:30 Krock          GEMANAT? *facepalm*
18:30 clueless_user  dynamic IP was cool feature for
18:31 clueless_user  and now it is this stupid BS
18:31 Krock          BS is defined as 10.
18:31 clueless_user  Google captchas, site bans or whatever
18:31 sfan5          Krock: wasn't it 16?
18:31 clueless_user  google is not working since i've moved to another plan, ... like half a year ago
18:31 Calinou        it is 10
18:32 waressearcher2 its all because "CGNat makes record keeping for law-enforcement operations more difficult, except if the translation of the addresses is logged" ?
18:32 Krock          sfan5, https://github.com/minetest/minetest/blob/master/src/constants.h#L75
18:32 sfan5          good luck getting iptables to log that stuff
18:32 est31          in freeminer BS = 1
18:33 est31          more BS fits in lol
18:33 Krock          HAHAHAHHAH
18:33 Krock          that's a good one :)
18:34 clueless_user  chinese brothers will log that stuff for ya anyway
18:34 clueless_user  by hand
18:34 waressearcher2 Calinou: by the way why Halo or CallOfDuty is not on your gaming list ?
18:34 Calinou        lol, no
18:34 Calinou        proprietary games that run on Windows only
18:34 waressearcher2 its all rage nowadays
18:34 clueless_user  btw Call of Duty 4 is faster than MT
18:35 clueless_user  FPS is higher
18:35 sfan5          glxgears is also faster than MT
18:35 Calinou        ^
18:35 Calinou        29000 FPS
18:35 clueless_user  and lots of other games with good graphics
18:35 sfan5          actually
18:35 waressearcher2 they have entire programmers team to optimize the code also engine different
18:35 Calinou        Minetest needs to draw a lot of triangles, that's why
18:35 sfan5          not turning on your computer is faster than MT
18:35 Calinou        and occlusion is done real-time
18:35 clueless_user  but this game with simple cubes... no big deal... 20 fps on spawn
18:35 waressearcher2 clueless_user:
18:36 clueless_user  i know it is apple to oranges... but 20 fps on spawn? come on
18:36 Xack           <clueless_user> btw Call of Duty 4 is faster than MT
18:36 Calinou        60 fps here
18:36 clueless_user  it is not even Intel HD BS
18:36 sfan5          wow its a Xack
18:36 Xack           not sure how they're comparable...
18:36 Xack           hi sfan5 and Calinou
18:36 Calinou        hi Xack
18:37 swift110       hmm
18:37 Calinou        fixed-geometry games are much faster to render and network
18:37 clueless_user  gameplay for nice looking COD4 is much better than for 100 ugly cubic stones with 50 chests and it lags like hell and player got seasures
18:38 waressearcher2 clueless_user: if you want to compare COD to MT at first give both same money budget and human power
18:38 Xack           waressearcher2++
18:38 Calinou        CoD 4 is dated by now
18:38 clueless_user  difference is huge
18:39 clueless_user  of course
18:39 clueless_user  but this FPS issues on good PC is bad :(
18:39 clueless_user  are*
18:39 clueless_user  these*
18:39 Calinou        what's your graphics card?
18:39 clueless_user  Radeon 6870
18:40 Calinou        not that good actually, by 2015 standards.
18:40 Calinou        but hopefully decent
18:40 Calinou        but in general, Minetest doesn't like AMD too much
18:40 waressearcher2 its really interesting how GTA5 online managed to make everyone have same amount of pedestrians and traffic when playeing online, I mean you need to synchronize entire city right ? in compare to those problems in MT when lots of sand can crash the server
18:40 clueless_user  it gives good solid performance in many games, but not on MT spawn
18:40 waressearcher2 lots of "falling" sand
18:40 clueless_user  or fire
18:41 est31          waressearcher2, give us the budget GTA5 had, I guess we can come up with a good program.
18:41 xfceKris       !seen rubenwardy
18:41 MinetestBot    xfceKris: rubenwardy was last seen at 2015-09-26 14:02:10 UTC on #minetest
18:42 waressearcher2 est31: made me CEO of their company I'l give you the budget
18:42 clueless_user  right now on "just test", looking at the ground on spawn - 33 fps
18:42 clueless_user  sky is 100
18:43 Calinou        try a vanilla server
18:43 Calinou        not "just lag"
18:43 clueless_user  pff, who plays vanilla? %)
18:43 waressearcher2 est31: I'm trying to say if its not so simple to even make falling sand synchronization work over network how did they managed to synchronize entire city
18:44 clueless_user  100 nodes away from spawn - 48fps
18:44 Calinou        clueless_user, it represents the default Minetest performance
18:44 clueless_user  at ground
18:44 Calinou        FWIW, I can get 50-60 FPS everywhere, even with 256 view range and fsaa = 4
18:44 Calinou        NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570
18:44 clueless_user  and nobody except of devs are interested in default or whatever, people need decor, mobs, feature, whatever with performance
18:45 Calinou        "need"
18:45 Calinou        mobs are slow
18:45 Calinou        decor is slow
18:45 Calinou        Minecraft players can pretty much live with vanilla :P why not Minetest players? they did in 0.3.x
18:45 clueless_user  i did since 0.2.xxx
18:45 Calinou        it's not our fault if people install bloated mods
18:46 clueless_user  tired
18:46 clueless_user  it is not the mobs, it is fps :S
18:46 clueless_user  just test got no mobs at this second near me, just default blocks and few vending machines
18:47 clueless_user  40 fps o.O
18:47 clueless_user  and protectors of course
18:47 clueless_user  current culing is not efficient enough probably
18:47 Calinou        it has lots of flowing water around
18:48 clueless_user  100 nodes away, looking at walls, spawn is behind - 30 fps
18:48 Calinou        we have lots of bottlenecks in code btw
18:48 Calinou        they are just waiting to be fixed
18:48 Calinou        ask RealBadAngel for more info
18:48 clueless_user  i mean spawn is forward* behind walls ** and it is 30 fps :S
18:48 clueless_user  and it is not TNT Vanta or smth I played 15 years ago
18:48 Calinou        culling is done per-MapBlock (16×16×16 area)
18:49 clueless_user  i'm 100 nodes away
18:49 clueless_user  or not
18:49 clueless_user  17 nodes, i was wrong
18:49 clueless_user  let me step away some more
18:49 clueless_user  ah
18:49 clueless_user  i was right actually
18:50 clueless_user  -140 looking at wood, spawn is in view but is not visible
18:50 clueless_user  47 fps
18:51 clueless_user  back to previous position, fps is higher
18:51 clueless_user  100 nodes away, looking at wall in direction of spawn - from 30 to 50 now
18:51 xfceKris       It's been measured that the human eye sees at approximately 60 fps, Anything more than that is expecting to much
18:52 clueless_user  current one is 52, goes now suddenly
18:52 clueless_user  down*
18:52 clueless_user  to 40
18:52 clueless_user  like something happens
18:54 clueless_user  fps goes higher after some time on server
18:54 clueless_user  0.4.13 on Vanessa Basic plus is much worse iirc
18:55 clueless_user  i did some fraps testing on 0.4.12 on it, now it is worse (or maybe something meaty was added on her spawn)
18:55 waressearcher2 xfceKris: for head mounted displays if its less than 90fps most people get uncompofrable, carmac said they need at least 120fps, but the problems there are no such displays that can do 120, technical problems, carmac even proposed some ideas to make it happen to samsung but they refused
18:55 Jordach        lolwat
18:55 Jordach        we already have 144hz monitors now
18:56 Jordach        with adaptive V-Sync
18:56 waressearcher2 Jordach: I watched that video presentation I think it was 2 or 3 years old
18:56 Calinou        only on desktops, never on laptops or smartphones/tablets
18:56 clueless_user  Vanessa spawn is 30 fps
18:56 Calinou        also, 60 fps is enough if your engine is well-written (no stuttering)
18:56 xfceKris       I can click a few buttons in vlc and see some of my HD movies framerates that are running at 200 is fps
18:57 waressearcher2 Jordach: and I mean those displays like in VR
18:57 Calinou        and 40 fps would be enough with variable sync rate
18:57 Calinou        (NVIDIA G-Sync, AMD FreeSync)
18:57 Jordach        waressearcher2, we have the tech for 144hz LCD panels
18:57 Calinou        only in TN panels
18:57 Calinou        who wants TN in 2015?
18:57 clueless_user  i want 16:10
18:57 Jordach        VR?
18:57 clueless_user  nonTN
18:58 clueless_user  or 4:3 please
18:58 Jordach        (it's not going into sunlight, is it?)
18:58 Calinou        4:3 was very unfit to our eyes
18:58 Calinou        and 16:10 not really fit either
18:58 clueless_user  tired of that 16:9 BS (i'm on 5:4 TN actually)
18:58 Calinou        16:9 is good, but the ideal would be 2:1 actually I guess
18:58 Calinou        (look at the 21:9 experiments)
18:58 clueless_user  will not fit on my table
18:58 clueless_user  and too wide
18:58 clueless_user  i need more height
18:59 Calinou        then buy a larger screen size?
18:59 clueless_user  with this ribbons everywhere, and dumbed down table interface on Win10
18:59 clueless_user  larger will not fit
18:59 Jordach        my desk isn't that big and i can fit 2x1080p screens on fine
18:59 Calinou        you must have a small desk then :(
18:59 Calinou        I could fit 3 here :p
18:59 Calinou        but I have only 1
19:00 Jordach        Calinou, working on building me a new desk
19:00 clueless_user  my table can fit only 2 5:4 or 4:3 ones
19:00 clueless_user  table is old though
19:02 clueless_user  standing on vanessa spawn, fps changes a lot from 40 to 30, like it is working on something i don't see
19:03 clueless_user  at least it is working :)
19:03 swift110       I am about to build my first house
19:03 clueless_user  is it true that server will crash when i reach end of the world?
19:03 clueless_user  i mean +31000 or -31000
19:04 Calinou        no, not anymore
19:04 Calinou        that was in 0.2
19:05 clueless_user  but i've seen some new topics on it, just asking %) i remember that bug since 0.2
19:06 clueless_user  here is my screenshot https://i.imgur.com/xKjSOfo.jpg *nostalgia*
19:07 clueless_user  going after sign will crash it
19:07 Calinou        back then, Minetest was very fast
19:07 Calinou        but also very basic
19:07 clueless_user  FPS=60 on Rad9600XT
19:08 clueless_user  if you remember glorious 9700
19:08 clueless_user  9700 to 9800
19:08 clueless_user  and celeron run it with 533MHz CPU @ 192 MB *cough*
19:09 clueless_user  impossible
19:10 Calinou        games had to be more optimized in the past
19:11 clueless_user  still remember my place on 0.2.*: https://i.imgur.com/MiRsUdx.png
19:22 waressearcher2 I remember when I played games made on unreal tournment engine if I need to just walk some distance in open area and fps was like 5-10 I just mostly look down untill I reach some building where I can look freely with 20-25 fps, but when I say played games on quake3 engine, looking down didn't helped to increase fps too much, for some reason, and I
19:22 waressearcher2 was using "CPU: celeron 466 GPU: RivaTNT 8MB"
19:23 Krock          good old TNT AGP cards :)
19:23 Calinou        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nx3Wei935m0
19:23 waressearcher2 so for some reason if you look down or just a wall, in unreal engine games it increased fps but not in quake3 engine games
19:24 waressearcher2 Krock: that card is still working
19:25 Calinou        also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LI78H8QOOPw
19:28 waressearcher2 speaking of COD and quakes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1ZtBCpo0eU
19:28 waressearcher2 and comparing them
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19:32 waressearcher2 Calinou: in your first link, it is strange why is he using DosBox, when he can just turn on all "modern features" and "HD textures" in darkplaces and it will look as vanilla quake 1
19:32 waressearcher2 I mean "turn off"
19:32 Calinou        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_O0F94DM-k
19:33 Calinou        and this is original Team Fortress
19:33 Calinou        no hats, no free2play
19:33 Calinou        waressearcher2, https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=if+quake+was+made+today
19:34 Calinou        lots of fun videos there :p
19:34 clueless_user  i run GLQuake myself
19:34 Calinou        wow, 60 fps is weird
19:34 Calinou        watching a 60 fps video
19:35 Calinou        feels like your client is actually running and spectating
19:36 waressearcher2 Calinou: I tryd dark places on my PC, turned off everything, decreased screen size to a minimum with "-" and looked at wall and got about 650fps
19:36 waressearcher2 tryed
19:36 clueless_user  we have PIII 650Mhz with Vanta somewhere on work
19:36 waressearcher2 is "Vanta" a video card ?
19:36 clueless_user  need that baby home >_>
19:36 clueless_user  Riva TNT
19:37 clueless_user  however it is in Full Tower case iirc
19:37 clueless_user  btw, about default MT on a singleplayer i could get as much as 2500 FPS
19:37 clueless_user  on vanilla
19:38 clueless_user  oops
19:38 clueless_user  i mean 250 fps
19:39 clueless_user  this https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=12814 however it was tested on 0.4.12
19:40 clueless_user  default settings use fps cap somewhere near 60-70 fps
19:40 clueless_user  when disable it can go up to 200-300
19:40 clueless_user  not that "just lag" 20 fps :(
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19:42 Calinou        https://youtu.be/NURfvG0lfpA?t=226
19:42 Calinou        we need achivements like that in Minetest
19:43 Calinou        waressearcher2, http://xpfree.org/epsilon
19:43 Calinou        I can run it on everything maxed + HDR + indirect lighting + relief mapping, but only 15 fps
19:43 MinetestBot    02[git] 04ignatenkobrain -> 03minetest/minetest: FindJson: use PATH_SUFFIXES jsoncpp to find incdir 1388a4412 http://git.io/vnjZM (152015-09-26T21:43:01+02:00)
19:44 clueless_user  added
19:44 clueless_user  however i prefer DukeNukem
19:52 waressearcher2 what can you do in vanilla MT ? can you build,craft ?
19:52 Calinou        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k-N49P5N1I
19:52 Calinou        whoa, that'd be great to have
19:53 clueless_user  yes
19:53 est31          Calinou, source code seems to be released
19:54 est31          https://github.com/antrad/If_Quake_2_Was_2D
19:54 est31          but not FOSS
19:54 est31          and uses directx
19:54 est31          oh noes
19:55 waressearcher2 so that source code 0.4.13 on git is "vanilla MT" ?
19:56 Calinou        waressearcher2, yes, without any mods to minetest_game
19:56 Calinou        http://www.moddb.com/mods/quake-2-xp
19:56 Calinou        mhm
19:56 Calinou        trying this
20:00 waressearcher2 reminds a bit of "alien shooter" but sidescrolling
20:01 waressearcher2 why should they call it "If_Quake_2_Was_2D", it is allready a "Quake 2D", its not that they made animation they made a real "Quake 2D"
20:01 waressearcher2 similar to duke 2d
20:01 waressearcher2 or even doom 2d
20:02 waressearcher2 it would better called "If_Quake_2_Was_Using_Mario_Engine"
20:03 est31          2 scrollers arent mario clones
20:03 est31          2d*
20:03 est31          not automatically
20:09 waressearcher2 the interesting thing is how they reimagined 3d level to 2d, they not just sliced it they actually remastered to fit 2d perspective
20:10 swift110       how do I make it daytime
20:10 waressearcher2 est31: they have to be clones of something
20:10 waressearcher2 swift110: /time 6000 ?
20:11 swift110       ok thanks waressearcher2
20:11 swift110       where do I input that though
20:12 clueless_user  wonder what FPS on "just test" spawn will be on GeForce Titan and some i7
20:12 waressearcher2 swift110: in console ?
20:15 Calinou        the GeForce Titan is outperformed by the 980 Ti, clueless_user
20:15 clueless_user  or on 980 Ti
20:15 clueless_user  just curious
20:15 clueless_user  imagine i7 + SLI 980 Ti and ... 20 fps on spawn
20:16 clueless_user  and your room is warm in the winter
20:16 clueless_user  no need for heating system
20:27 swift110       im already in the game itselfwow
20:27 swift110       wow
20:27 swift110       I chopped down a few trees
20:27 Calinou        Minetest does not support SLI, clueless_user
20:27 Calinou        and few games do today
20:28 clueless_user  :S
20:28 clueless_user  ok, one for minetest, one for heating
20:29 est31          SLI?
20:32 Calinou        something that lets you use 2-4 graphics cards to render a single game
20:32 Calinou        for rich people
20:33 swift110       ok I am trying to make logs for my house. I have looked at the instructions but am having a hard time following them
20:33 est31          aha
20:33 waressearcher2 silly poor people, SLI is for reach
20:33 Krock          oh god.. when one oven isn't enough.. why would someone want to use two graphic cards?
20:34 waressearcher2 rephrasing that meme: "silly poor people, money is for reach"
20:34 swift110       I have my wood in the crafting grid but U need them to be in the output slot to be converted into logs
20:36 waressearcher2 Krock: 2 video cards means twice as much CUDA cores
20:37 swift110       ok no idea what I just did but I got the wooden planks I wanted
20:40 waressearcher2 swift110: your personal diary
20:41 clueless_user  hmm
20:41 clueless_user  6 hours of uptiem and i can't login already
20:41 swift110       waressearcher2: lol
20:41 clueless_user  timed out
20:42 swift110       well at least I am enjoying the game which is the point of its existense
20:46 waressearcher2 clueless_user: speaking of "20 fps" you were talking about, by the way have you checked how much "fps" you have in say "minecraft" ?
20:47 clueless_user  i was running it on a old PC (demo one), and fps was over 40 iirc, but it was an old pc
20:48 waressearcher2 clueless_user: how old ?
20:48 waressearcher2 I'm on 2x1800 E2160 with x300 Radeon, was your better ?
20:49 waressearcher2 2x1800Hz
20:49 waressearcher2 2GB RAM
20:50 swift110       minetest runs great on my i5 2320 with 8 gb ram and gt620 gpu
20:54 clueless_user  P4 2.8 Ghz / ati r9600xt
20:56 swift110-phone It works well on that clueless_user?
20:56 clueless_user  on p4?
20:56 swift110-phone Yes
20:57 clueless_user  40-60 fps
20:57 clueless_user  reasonably well
20:57 clueless_user  it was time without all that mods
20:57 swift110-phone Ok
20:57 clueless_user  just basic blocks, no fancy stuff
20:58 clueless_user  i'm talking about 0.2.* and 0.3.* times
20:58 clueless_user  don't remember if i played in 0.4 on old pc
20:58 swift110-phone I got it on the pc i mentioned as well as several laptops
20:59 swift110-phone One being a core2duo laptop from 2006
21:00 waressearcher2 swift110-phone: what 0.2.* lacks in compare to 0.4.* ?
21:00 waressearcher2 not counting mods
21:01 swift110-phone I don't know im new to this
21:01 waressearcher2 clueless_user: what 0.2.* lacks in compare to 0.4.* ? not counting mods
21:01 waressearcher2 swift110-phone: sorry
21:01 swift110-phone Np
21:02 clueless_user  fire, lava, slabs, stairs, glass bottles, biomes
21:03 clueless_user  iitc
21:03 clueless_user  iirc*
21:03 waressearcher2 its like "everything"
21:03 clueless_user  it was light-weight
21:04 waressearcher2 clueless_user: also, have you tryed "plane" map generator ? how much fps you have on spawn ? I mean that without any terrain, just a plane dirt field
21:04 clueless_user  just experienced up to 1 min lag on ESM
21:04 clueless_user  it is good
21:04 clueless_user  i did testing with fresh world in SP
21:05 clueless_user  usually good at 60 fps (cap is on) or 200 fps (cap is off)
21:05 waressearcher2 so all those mountains and trees and water do lower the fps ?
21:05 clueless_user  i did with mountains and trees
21:05 clueless_user  trees lower fps for sure
21:05 waressearcher2 foliage
21:05 clueless_user  with fancy leaves
21:05 clueless_user  glass etc
21:06 waressearcher2 "and trees and flovers and chirping birds, and they coming to take me away ha ha" -- some song
21:06 clueless_user  but if you start on default mapgen with dirt, trees, grass FPS will be quite good with 60 fps (or 200-300 if you remove fps limit in config), apart from some stuttering when generating map blocks
21:07 clueless_user  only stutter is a problem on SP
21:07 clueless_user  it is noticable even when FPS is 300
21:07 clueless_user  microlag
21:07 clueless_user  jungle trees can lower fps dramatically
21:08 est31          I never had this
21:08 est31          what settings do you have
21:08 clueless_user  you mean stutters?
21:08 est31          no jungle trees
21:08 clueless_user  i got in both SP and MP
21:08 clueless_user  ahh
21:08 clueless_user  fancy leaves on
21:09 clueless_user  go to big jungle forest and fps will go down noticable
21:09 clueless_user  y*
21:09 clueless_user  but it is understandable with all those fancy leaves
21:10 swift110-phone Yes a lot of rendering
21:11 clueless_user  it will usually lower v_range to min
21:11 clueless_user  now i use v_range = 70
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22:16 Calinou        https://lut.im/IyRKCsGQdO/HKQkSZuA.png
22:16 Calinou        easter egg in DarkPlaces :D
22:20 waressearcher2 Calinou: try "set v_psycho 1"
22:22 Calinou        old news
22:22 Calinou        also r_trippy 1
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23:42 clueless_user  just fired up short carbone-ng SP game on a new world, and what is interesting is FPS, on snow biome it is over 120, but when new blocks are generated it makes stutter in 1 sec with FPS dropping to 70 (or even 40) and back to 120. Funny...
23:43 clueless_user  after most of the blocks generation it works so nice without stutters, hmm
23:44 RichardTheTurd that would be an optimization issue with the game engine
23:45 clueless_user  pretty much without stutters, maybe slightly sometimes, looks like block generation needs some optimization or something
23:45 asl97          mesh generation is heavy, it should be a well known fact
23:46 clueless_user  fps loss is huge, and just for 1 sec
23:46 clueless_user  up to 50%
23:46 asl97          if you really want to reduce the fps drop, limit the fps, it's as simple as that :P
23:47 clueless_user  yeah, default limit is 70... but fps drops to 40 sometimes, mostly to 70 :p
23:47 clueless_user  snow biomes are cool
23:47 xfceKris       I haven't been following all of the conversation this afternoon and evening, but it appears that clueless_user has been complaining about fps for about four hours now...Is there some substance to this that might entail a major update to the game?
23:47 asl97          four hours?
23:47 asl97          wow lol
23:47 clueless_user  i was complaining since 2011 really
23:48 clueless_user  begging celeron for that occlusion culing >_>
23:49 clueless_user  just posting some observations
23:49 asl97          i thought minetest does a basic version of it already?
23:49 clueless_user  yes
23:49 clueless_user  is not mapgen works in a separate thread?
23:50 asl97          it is, it in the emerge thread
23:50 asl97          or something
23:50 asl97          mapgen shouldn't be causing fps drop on the client
23:51 clueless_user  i remember this stutter thing at least since 0.2.x that's why i'm so picky
23:51 clueless_user  0.3.*
23:51 clueless_user  0.2.* was light
23:51 asl97          it should be because of the mesh generation
23:53 clueless_user  it could go like this: 100->70->100, or 100->70->(another blocks)->50->100
23:54 asl97          complaining about it doesn't help
23:55 xfceKris       dude, either you're to picky, or you have an amazingly good eye for these kinds of tiny details, because I don't see what you are talking about.
23:55 clueless_user  just observations
23:55 asl97          xfceKris: or you just have a crazy good computer which some of us don't
23:56 xfceKris       I have a carboneNG game with heavy mods and the only time I see any kind of chunk loading lag is when I have fly and fast move enabled and I'm moving close to the ground.
23:56 xfceKris       And no, I don't have a crazy good pc.
23:56 asl97          then it must be a crappy screen xD
23:57 asl97          i ain't the one to talk though, mine is from 2006 xD
23:57 xfceKris       My screen is a 39" Sanyo flatscreen
23:58 xfceKris       TV.
23:58 xfceKris       oops
23:58 asl97          tv refresh rate is poor isn't it?
23:59 asl97          in any case, the stuttering can mostly been seen on slow mobile