Time Nick Message 01:05 arsdragonfly1 !server arsdragonfly 01:05 MinetestBot arsdragonfly1: Arsdragonfly's testing Minetest server | arsenalmp.noip.me:30001 | Clients: 0/15, 0/0 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 284ms 09:23 basil60 Hi I get the following error in the terminal when I start my remote server. Action[main]: irrlicht; could not open file of texture: character.png - is it easily fixable? 09:24 Krock sure - create a character.png image in textures\base\pack to have aa default texture 09:27 basil60 Ok...thanks 09:28 Krock np 09:30 basil60 The only other error I get is - ERROR[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory! - Does that only refer to other languages? 09:32 Krock basil60, are you playing on windows or linux? 09:33 Krock however, the locale directory is missing - this means you can't have a translated menu 09:35 basil60 server is on linux...client on windows 09:38 Krock server doesn't care about translations, so it's an issue with your client. Extract the locale directory from the downloaded minetest archive into your minetest directory, where the bin and games directories are 09:39 basil60 I'll give it a try..thanks 09:49 basil60 thanks krock...both errors gone 09:49 Krock good :) 10:26 ensonic morning, my kids play minetest with two computers, one recently got 0.4.13 (server), the other still runs 0.4.12 8client), we just noticed that the client does not get the extra blocks from the server (server has 30 pages in the inv, client only 10) - is that due to the different versions? 10:26 ensonic the mods are installed on both machines 10:29 Krock the server decides what the client displays 10:30 Krock so you must install the mods on the server, not on the clients 10:30 ensonic Krock, this worked before, I just synced them to the client to check if that was the issue 10:30 ensonic the mods are on the server and the player on the server side has them 10:31 ensonic so there is probably some setting wheter they get sent to the client 10:31 * ensonic seraches more 10:31 Krock yes, see worlds\your world name\world.mt on your server 10:31 Krock there is a list of activated mods 11:26 waressearcher2 I think its better to wait for monday 12:09 waressearcher2 is it possible to use minetest client over squid proxy or other proxy ? 12:09 Calinou why? 12:10 Calinou work instead of play :) 12:10 Calinou (additionally, it might be possible to use a VPN) 12:12 waressearcher2 "work instead of play", what was that 12:12 waressearcher2 I don't have a job 12:18 Telesight Hello all, is it normal that, with the mod xban, a player can use xban_gui? 12:18 ensonic Krock, thanks, works, forgot that I had to activate the mods for each world 12:18 Calinou waressearcher2, usually you want to play over a proxy because you're at work :) 12:18 Krock lol okay 12:18 Telesight sorry it is xban2 13:26 waressearcher2 Calinou: I didn't know that 13:30 waressearcher2 are there bushes in minetest ? and I don't mean that big grass, I mean actual "blocky" bushes like tree but smaller and without shaft in the middle, like those you can see around parks, or there are entire labirinths made out of bushes 13:48 waressearcher2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TdeGIOOts don't you think that kind of water would be better in minetest ? I mean minetest doesn't need to be fully minecraft-like to become popular, why not to introduce some differences 13:53 waressearcher2 its better to wait till monday 13:58 xfceKris What is legacy_facedir_simple= ?? 13:59 xfceKris It's set to true where I see it, but what does it do? 14:00 xfceKris Any time I see the word legacy, I'm thinking backwards compatibility... is this correct? 14:01 Calinou it's for maps before January 2012 14:02 Calinou yes, it is correct 14:02 swift110-phone I like the idea of minetest being unique 14:02 Calinou you really don't need legayc_facedir_simple for your nodes 14:02 Calinou swift110-phone, the developers, not :P 14:02 swift110-phone It can be similar 14:02 swift110-phone But i want it to be special 14:02 swift110-phone There that says it better 14:03 xfceKris Calinou, I just saw that right before I read what you wrote...thanks though. 14:03 CWz wow the freeminer server are filled to the brim with guest(number) players 14:07 CWz not a big fan of the waste land look 14:07 CWz though 14:07 Krock [off] http://imgur.com/ZYSHW13 14:07 CWz also the 2nd server on the list has a spawn trap 14:08 CWz Krock confused me 14:08 Krock ah no? 14:08 * CWz hurts himself in confusion 14:10 CWz probably bots most of them 14:11 CWz either that or freeminer is big for tablet users or russia 14:11 xfceKris Every time I add drawtype = "mesh" the entire thing disappears The node is still there, but it's invisible..and casts a shadow. 14:12 xfceKris Do I have to define the paramaters of the mesh somewhere else? 14:12 xfceKris I can't find any documentation on this 14:12 Calinou yes, you need a mesh model 14:12 Calinou .x/.b3d/.obj/.md2 14:13 xfceKris aha, okay. so I should write, say.. double_chest.obj file with the mesh definitions 14:13 xfceKris Why can't that be in laymens terms on any of the four different resources I'm using to help me build this?lmao 14:15 xfceKris And of course drop the .obj file in a models folder 14:15 xfceKris i.e. the way homedecor does it. 14:16 diemartin Mornings 14:16 CWz 2 kaezas 14:17 blaaaaargh ... 14:17 CWz now there 3 14:19 Out`Of`Control how do you limit map on 4.13? 14:20 CWz map_generation_limit = 31000 14:21 Out`Of`Control CWz: will it block players too? 14:27 Krock Out`Of`Control, the setting is "map_generation_limit", where's the world "player" inside? 14:27 Krock *word 14:30 Out`Of`Control Krock: thats why i ask. do i need a special mod for that? 14:30 Krock Out`Of`Control, no_guests, name_restrictions, xban2 14:30 Out`Of`Control i ment something differend 14:31 Out`Of`Control limit map size. on Y X Z. So players can't get outside 14:32 Krock that's what it does. 14:32 Krock alternatively, there's a world border mod to teleport players from one edge to another 14:32 Krock !mod worldedge 14:32 MinetestBot Krock: worldedge by Don - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=10753 14:33 Out`Of`Control Krock: thanks 14:33 Krock np 14:42 rubenwardy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_TdeGIOOts don't you think that kind of water would be better in minetest ? I mean minetest doesn't need to be fully minecraft-like to become popular, why not to introduce some differences 14:42 rubenwardy that's finite liquid 14:42 rubenwardy and was in Minetest for a while 14:42 rubenwardy for the implementation was slow 14:42 rubenwardy at that point 14:42 rubenwardy see Freeminer 14:52 TheWild I was messing with the UDP protocol (not specifically Minetest) and was curious how a game server would distinguish different peers when they're sharing the same IP addresses. 14:52 TheWild So we have UDP header which contains source port and destination port. (source port varies, but destination port must be whatever server uses). 14:52 TheWild Further, we have Minetest server which gives to a connected peer an unique 16-bit number to hold and use as identifier. 14:52 TheWild But say, Alice and Mallory are both living at the same home and sharing the same IP address. 14:53 TheWild Alice is a legitimate Minetest player, but Mallory has its client modified, so he can set anoy source port as well as peer ID. 14:53 TheWild What then? Am I missing something obvious? 14:53 TheWild s/anoy/any 14:54 waressearcher2 TheWild: flooder 14:55 waressearcher2 TheWild: that is the disadvantage of UDP you can fiddle with it pretending you are another person, TCP has "sequence numbers" that allows server to know whether you are legit or not 14:55 nrzkt TheWild, exact 14:56 waressearcher2 in mid 90s there was a popular attack on windows 95 because it was easy to guess TCP sequence numbers, and anyone could spoof connections 14:57 waressearcher2 I once aked how those 3d models of objects are made, those you have in your hand, and it looks like then engine just takes sprite picture and makes it into a 3d model, one pixel depth model, does anyone knows if the same technique used here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxRAckR7RvY ? or there is something more complicated ? 15:16 sfan5 TheWild: nope, you're not missing anything obvious 15:22 TheWild sfan5, thanks, good to know. The TCP case was quite obvious as it has "connection begin", "connection ends" and sequence numbers, so far we know who is who. But with UDP I just started scratching my head. 15:25 waressearcher2 does anyone know what "multicraft 2" is ? 15:26 sfan5 waressearcher2: some minecraft rip-off for android that uses the minetest client 15:28 waressearcher2 sfan5: so its android-only 15:31 Calinou yes 15:49 waressearcher2 weird 15:49 waressearcher2 Calinou: I have source code freeminer-0.4.10.4 that I can compile and run on linux 15:50 waressearcher2 wait, you were talking about multicraft not freeminer 16:00 rubenwardy does anyone know what "multicraft 2" is ? 16:18 xfceKris i.e. the way homedecor does it.p' 16:18 xfceKris [] kl 16:26 xfceKris oops..daughter got to the keyboard 16:28 xfceKris since I'm here though, would it be possible to just borrow the default:chest formspec and modify it for my purposes? 16:28 xfceKris I'm talking about the licensing and such. 16:37 Calinou_ xfceKris, yes, you can 16:38 xfceKris sweet, thanks 17:13 rubenwardy http://rubenwardy.com/ 17:13 rubenwardy new website <£ 17:13 rubenwardy * <3 17:13 rubenwardy as in, redesigned 17:20 rubenwardy any comments? 17:27 Krock rubenwardy, The background needs some tuning 17:27 Krock but the round style is nice 17:27 rubenwardy do you mean the menu background? It is a bit off 17:28 rubenwardy also, new NBE logo 17:29 Krock I mean, it's just grey background. It needs needs content 17:29 Krock The nodebox link leads nowhere ^^ 17:32 rubenwardy the site's gone weird 17:43 Calinou lol, you copy-pasted HTML stuff like comments 17:44 rubenwardy huh? 17:44 rubenwardy yeah, the moderniser 17:44 rubenwardy wait, is that only for bootstrap? 17:44 Calinou no, it's useful everywhere 17:44 Calinou but do you really need IE 8 support? 17:44 Calinou I don't :) 17:45 rubenwardy It's not really my target audience, I guess 17:48 Calinou https://lut.im/j0gxLZ5rYs/LVCzZien.png 17:48 Calinou I am better than my teammate!! 17:48 Calinou that's all I have to say 17:48 Calinou but I die 50% more often :p 17:55 Megaf_ !seen amicadi 17:55 MinetestBot Megaf_: Sorry, I haven't seen amicadi around. 18:37 waressearcher2 do you think it allright to allow placing block on grass, I mean shouldn't grass be removed first ? 18:37 waressearcher2 and it doesn't even destroy grass its just grass sits inside the block now 18:39 Calinou it does destroy grass 18:39 Calinou it's "buildable to" 18:40 waressearcher2 by the way its usually not much going on in that channel on weekends ? 18:41 waressearcher2 and by "grass" I meant to say "shrubbery" of course 19:14 Telesight Hello all, is it normal that, with the mod xban2, a player can use xban_gui? 19:21 waressearcher2 Telesight: its a weekend, most are away 19:24 Telesight waressearcher2; Weekend is meant for Minetest ... 19:39 waressearcher2 Telesight: some people have girlfriends you know 19:40 rubenwardy or boyfriends 19:40 waressearcher2 are you 19:40 waressearcher2 you mean others right ? 19:40 Telesight I have many MT friends ;-) 19:43 rubenwardy not all Minetest players are male and straight 19:44 Telesight Or have a wife ... 19:44 rubenwardy "girlfriends" 19:45 xfceKris I have a wife, and three kids, and I still manage my minetest habit just fine 19:45 ElectronLibre They all have a thing in common, a working computer. 19:45 xfceKris and possibly internet connection 19:46 waressearcher2 xfceKris: you don't know lua but trying to write a mod ? 19:46 ElectronLibre That is also important indeed. Anything else is technically superfulous minetest-wise. 19:46 Calinou "Men cannot live on bread alone. They also need high-speed Internet." 19:46 xfceKris that is correct waressearcher2 19:47 xfceKris multifaceted learning experience. 19:47 Telesight waressearcher2: I thought "they" were all with their girlfriends, and now they suddenly awake? 19:48 ElectronLibre Telesight: As rubenwardy said, "not all Minetest players are male and straight". 19:48 xfceKris waressearcher2: why the curiosity? 19:48 Telesight YEs that means thst you all must be girls or something else ... 19:49 * xfceKris looks in pants 19:49 waressearcher2 xfceKris: its tiresome to learn language and at the same time programming serious stuff from the begining 19:49 xfceKris nope, definitely a guy 19:49 ElectronLibre That means there is no generality to be made. 19:50 xfceKris waressearcher2: It's the way I learn. Diving headlong into stuff that's way over my head 19:50 Telesight No the reason was that nobody could answer my question because they are busy ...;-) 19:51 rubenwardy !mod xban_gui 19:51 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Could not find anything. 19:51 rubenwardy !mod xban gui 19:51 MinetestBot rubenwardy: Extended Ban v2 [xban2] by kaeza - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?t=9315 19:51 xfceKris Telesight, the best way to get an answer here is to ping someone who you think might know. I can't speak for everyone, but it appears that most of us log in here and just let it run in the background until something comes up. 19:52 rubenwardy no no no 19:52 xfceKris Or, you could do like rubenwardy did and try talking to the bot. 19:52 rubenwardy Ping the mod developer or a contributor 19:52 rubenwardy don't ping random people 19:52 xfceKris that too ^^^ 19:53 xfceKris unless it's a general question. 19:53 Telesight ok ok, I will target my questions ... 19:53 rubenwardy don't ping random people, full stop, it's rude 19:54 xfceKris What I think sucks is when people use different SN's. They are one name on a mod release, but another here in irc. Makes it impossible to find someone. 19:54 xfceKris I haven't seen it here yet, but it happened a lot back in my days as a dev for the lg Ally. 19:54 rubenwardy !g SN 19:54 MinetestBot rubenwardy: http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SN 19:54 ElectronLibre xfceKris: Our nicknames are not always available here. 19:55 xfceKris I understand this. 19:55 ElectronLibre I have three different nicknames on MT's forum, here, and on GitHub, because my usual one was used everywhere outside of MT's forum. 19:55 ElectronLibre It's not always people's fault. 19:56 freelikegnu sometimes giraffes are involved 19:57 micechal where can I get linux server binaries for 0.4.13 for debian? 19:57 micechal the version in debian repository is 0.4.10 19:57 freelikegnu you can build it with a one-liner 19:57 ElectronLibre micechal: Compiling minetestserver is the best way to get it. 19:57 micechal no precompiled binaries? 19:57 freelikegnu https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=3837 19:58 micechal I see 19:58 freelikegnu it's not hard if you have already used apt-get 19:58 micechal the point is I don't even have build tools on that vps 19:58 freelikegnu hmm 19:58 micechal and don't really want to bloat it up 19:59 freelikegnu you can compile in a vm on your local machine 20:00 micechal why vm? 20:00 freelikegnu you will have to apt-get your dependencies on the vps 20:01 freelikegnu if you dont already have the same environment on your vps, you may want to create a vm 20:01 freelikegnu I dont know a whole lot about that, I just build on my vps 20:02 micechal okay, thanks 20:02 micechal I'll build and run it on my second vps 20:02 micechal where I don't care about bloating it up 20:03 freelikegnu i think you dont need irrlicht if you are only running headless 20:03 freelikegnu prolly dont even need mese or open al either 20:03 freelikegnu mesa 20:04 micechal yeah 20:04 micechal the script you linked to assumes non-headless 20:04 freelikegnu yeah 20:04 micechal ie. it says "double click" 20:04 micechal hehe 20:04 freelikegnu there should be a headless build oneliner 20:05 micechal what I usually do though when building software is to download the dependencies as they are needed 20:05 micechal until the build passes without errors 20:33 waressearcher2 xfceKris: "It's the way I learn. Diving headlong into stuff that's way over my head", is thats the reason why you have 3 kids ? 20:38 xfceKris waressearcher2: most likely 20:39 xfceKris I keep getting an error when loading the world to test my mod. "attempt to concatenate a nill value" and it's showing the error at line 82... 20:40 xfceKris the thing is, line 82 is just closing brackets...well }) <