Time Nick Message 00:46 Hisforever Hi I'm in Single player how do access maps? 00:50 wilkgr Hello Hisforever. In your menu, click on the map you want to play. 00:50 wilkgr Then click "Play". 00:54 tolrinju I wonder if they're having the same problem I had 00:59 Hisforever thank wilkgr 00:59 wilkgr No worries :) 03:57 wilkgr I have a question; If I enable bumpmapping, why does it only work on some servers? 03:57 wilkgr It doesn't work on linuxgaming.us or shadowninja.minetest.net or moontest.org 03:58 wilkgr But it works on minetest.org (port 30025) 03:58 wilkgr and in singleplayer 03:58 asl97 iirc, bumpmapping depend on the texture and maybe the `something`map 03:58 asl97 heightmap was it? 03:59 ShadowNinja wilkgr: You need a TP that support it or generate_normalmaps=true. 03:59 asl97 oh yea, normalmap 04:02 wilkgr Ah, thanks. 04:02 wilkgr Ok. 04:04 swift110-phone Hey all 04:29 LazyJ VanessaE, cheapie, has Inchranet's IRC info changed again? 04:58 cheapie LazyJ: osiris was moved to a different hosting facility. If you can't connect, your DNS is probably messed up. 04:58 LazyJ cheapie, what is the connection info? 04:59 cheapie LazyJ: Same as before. The new IP is 198.27.68.162, and osiris.inchra.net and digitalaudioconcepts.com already resolve to that if you're using a properly working DNS server. 05:01 LazyJ idk what or how the DNS server is. 05:01 cheapie What DNS server are you using? 05:01 LazyJ idk. What is a DNS server? 05:01 asl97 LazyJ: open the terminal/cmd and run `nslookup osiris.inchra.net` 05:02 cheapie (I'm using a locally-hosted one with Level3's behind it, and it's working fine for me) 05:03 LazyJ asl97, Thanks. It outputs the same IP cheapie posted. 05:03 cheapie Should work then. 05:04 asl97 if it doesn't, blame the host xD 05:04 * cheapie is connected right now 05:04 asl97 or maybe the ISP 05:06 LazyJ My IRC setup for that channel is digitalaudioconcepts but when I try to connect it tells me the connection was refused and gives a different IP. I have the domain name entered, not the IP so I'll try that next. 05:07 cheapie Your computer might be doing some kind of funky DNS caching. 05:08 LazyJ Does the connection use SASL or Nickserve? 05:08 cheapie (FWIW, I like specifying digitalaudioconcepts.com instead of irc.inchra.net because not only does it annoy ShadowNinja, but it generally works more often) 05:08 cheapie NickServ is present, but I don't think SASL is supported. 05:09 LazyJ Ok, the IP change did the trick. Thanks ;) 05:10 asl97 dns caching can be troublesome but it is useful 05:11 swift110-phone Cool 05:26 basil60 With the the help of a few folk here, I installed minetest this morning on a remote Ubuntu server. It's a server I want up and running, so how do I start it? 05:27 asl97 basil60: as i said this morning, start it using the executable minetestserver file 05:27 basil60 asl97 - in bin, only have minetest 05:28 asl97 then it isn't complie :| 05:28 basil60 so I can just run make again? 05:28 asl97 i thought server is also enable by default....... 05:29 asl97 run the cmake with -DBUILD_SERVER=1 05:29 asl97 and the other option you use before 05:29 asl97 then make 05:30 asl97 basil60: you still there? 05:31 basil60 yes..just running the cmds 05:32 basil60 I've done all this as root...can i still run the server from a non-privileged account? 05:32 asl97 you should be able to if you chmod it 05:32 asl97 it > the executable 05:33 basil60 in the bin folder? 05:33 asl97 if the make doesn't do it for you 05:37 basil60 compiled with a minetestserver, but errors 05:38 asl97 telling us it error without the error isn't really useful for us to help 05:38 basil60 asl97 http://pastebin.com/qwDw0gbM - just trying not to get booted for flooding 05:40 asl97 you are missing the default game 05:41 asl97 cd into the games folder and clone: 05:41 asl97 https://github.com/minetest/minetest_game.git 05:42 asl97 ah... you are running it in the bin folder 05:43 asl97 cd out of it and try running it again 05:44 asl97 iirc, if you build using run in place, you need to run it in the root installed folder, ie: the folder you ran make install 05:45 basil60 so, i can call ./bin/minetesterver from the minetest folder? 05:46 asl97 you should be able to 05:47 kaeza Greetings. 05:50 basil60 asl97 action... 05:50 asl97 action....? 05:50 basil60 how do i stop it...so i can chmod it and not run as root? 05:51 asl97 stopping it is basic, you just send it a KeyboardInterrupt by pressing ctrl+c 05:51 basil60 it's all working...thanks 05:52 asl97 as for running it in background or as a service, i will leave it to you to figure it out 05:53 basil60 thanks...I'll google it. But as server, wouldn't I start it, and walk away??? 05:58 asl97 surely the computer/server isn't just for hosting minetest and surely you would prefer it to auto start when you turn on the computer/server 05:58 basil60 well at this point, that's all it's doing....vps 05:58 asl97 ssh? 05:59 basil60 virtual private server.. 05:59 asl97 i know what a vps is.... i mean are you accessing it using ssh 06:00 basil60 to configure etc..yes 06:00 basil60 sorry 06:00 asl97 iirc, it would just get killed when you disconnect from the ssh if it isn't running in the background with the output redirected somewhere 06:01 basil60 ok..thanks..I'll get googleing 06:01 basil60 I think the same thing happened with my MOO 06:01 asl97 now that i don't know (MOO) 06:02 basil60 an old text based MMO...from the 80s 06:03 basil60 i started the server using my non privileged account, and go this error http://pastebin.com/Sux2iwFX 06:04 asl97 the folder isn't writable by your non privileged account 06:07 asl97 chmod it (or chown it to pass it to that account) with -R (recursive). ie (don't use 777 though): chmod 777 -R . 06:08 basil60 from within the minetest directory 06:08 asl97 777 mean world readable and it isn't a good idea to make it that way 06:09 asl97 world readable, writable, executable* 06:11 barrydk More almal 06:11 asl97 basil60: also, when using pastebin.com, i recommend you link the raw link instead, eg: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Sux2iwFX 06:12 basil60 may i ask why? Your the firt bloke to offer that advice..thanks 06:12 basil60 first 06:13 asl97 bloke? 06:13 basil60 person? 06:15 asl97 pastebin.com load slow and request the browser to send lots of (tracking) request, over three hundred of them, the raw link doesn't 06:15 basil60 thanks... 06:16 asl97 an ad blocker reduce it to about 30 but one request is still better than 30 06:17 asl97 https://bpaste.net/ and some other pastebin isn't as bad as pastebin.com though 06:19 Hisforever I can't seem to find the Aminaal testure pack anywhere, any help please? 06:21 Hisforever Wow I must be tired sorry. I can't fins the Animal testures anywhere, please help? 06:22 Hisforever texture man wish my fingers would work lol 06:23 asl97 there is no animal texture pack as far as i know, maybe try searching for it on the forum 06:24 basil60 asl97 it still gives one error -ERROR[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory! 06:24 Hisforever Thanks as197 I might mean mods 06:24 asl97 basil60: it doesn't run? 06:25 basil60 asl97 it starts.....but with that error 06:26 asl97 there is no locale folder in the minetest folder? 06:27 basil60 asl97 can't see one... 06:28 asl97 it should be make when running the make 06:29 asl97 but locale is just for the translation, it should work without it unless minetest is make in a way that make it not work without it 06:29 basil60 just working on opening a port on the server (3000) to allow access - client was timing out 06:34 asl97 basil60: can you paste the output of cmake? 06:35 asl97 the one with the options you use 06:37 basil60 asl97 so run cmake . -DBUILD_SERVER=1 again? 06:37 asl97 didn't you pass the run_in_place too? 06:38 basil60 no...I ran the command just like this 06:39 asl97 then the one before with RBA? RBA told you to use run_in_place, did you use run_in_place? 06:41 basil60 no..I only ran it before..after talking with you....this mornng I may have...but I used cmake . -DBUILD_SERVER=1just a little earlier 06:42 asl97 uh.... ether that mean you install minetest in both system wide and in place or just in place 06:43 basil60 I have to run...got to pick up my kid..I'll have to check when I get back...thanks for your help 06:43 asl97 well, that doesn't really matter now, i just need the output of make to check if you are missing something 06:43 asl97 oops, i mean cmake 07:18 basil60 asl97 - back - so do I run cmake . -DBUILD_SERVER=1 again 09:01 JamesTait Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Respect Day! 😃 09:33 waressearcher2 does anyone seen that guy: "scout1441949613> ciao a tutti!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" or its just me ? 10:06 Megaf waressearcher2: that means "Hello everyone!!!!!" 10:06 Megaf ciao = Hello/Hi/Bye and tutti = all/everything/everyone 10:06 Megaf a = to 10:07 Megaf JamesTait: My father in law is arriving here in Dublin from Brazil today, to visit my girlfriend 10:07 Megaf so, lots of respect needed indeed 10:08 JamesTait 😃 10:13 Megaf by the way, I need more long term players on my server to build houses and use them as homes at my underground city 10:13 Megaf We have 21 spaces available 10:14 Megaf spaces are 21x21 nodes/meters 10:14 Megaf hm, 21 spaces 21x21 in size, 21 is a nice number 10:14 Megaf !server Megaf 10:14 MinetestBot Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/11, 0/2 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms 10:15 Megaf !up mt.megaf.info 10:15 MinetestBot mt.megaf.info:30000 is up (7ms) 10:26 waressearcher2 Megaf: and what language is "tutti" from ? 10:27 Megaf waressearcher2: That's Italian 10:27 est31 on organs, there is a tutti button 10:27 est31 you push it if you want all registers 10:30 Megaf makes sense 10:30 Megaf tutti in Italian, tudo in Portuguese and Spanish 10:30 waressearcher2 "minna" in japanese ? 10:36 Megaf no idea 10:39 waressearcher2 its just I know that "ohaio minna san" means "hello everyone" so "minna" should be "everyone" 10:51 tolrinju minna means everyone not, all/complete like tutti, tudo and todo of Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish, respectively. The equivalent Japanese word would be nokorazu or zenbu 11:15 Viper Is there a basic lua totorial? 11:16 waressearcher2 Out`Of`Control: they should have book available on their lua web site, its an old version of lua book that is free now 11:24 Out`Of`Control waressearcher2: thanks 11:50 Calinou "I really like MC eula terms, but those are even more restrictive" 11:50 Calinou stopped reading there 11:51 * Calinou looks at Magichet... :( 12:28 vtold Hi, is it possible to upgrade my 0.4.12 to 0.4.13 from sources (with all my world)? 12:28 vtold I am on openSUSE 13.2 12:29 waressearcher2 vtold: a bit related question, why did you choose openSUSE ? there are ubuntu,mint,fedora,gentoo around 12:29 vtold I like it :) 12:30 est31 vtold, yes that is possible 12:30 vtold just compile ? 12:31 est31 yes 12:31 est31 thats enough 12:31 vtold and copy world from old minetest? 12:31 est31 yes if you want it 12:31 est31 minetest is built to be abled to read even the oldest maps 12:32 vtold thank you est31 12:32 waressearcher2 est31: even 0.4.7 maps ? 12:32 est31 waressearcher2, yes 12:43 waressearcher2 what will happen with full grown wheat if you do not gather it ? will it decoy or just stays here ? 12:45 Calinou it does not wither 12:45 Calinou this is not Farmville :P 12:49 vtold oops, dependencies failed 13:02 twoelk waressearcher2: that's why some people use wheat also just for decorational purpose 13:07 waressearcher2 twoelk: but it shouldn't be like that, I mean when you "prepare" ground with a tool to put seed in it and don't put seeds for some time a grass start to grow in it so if that happens than something should happen when you don't gather wheat for a long time 13:07 CWz Farmvill is overrated 13:07 waressearcher2 CWz: "where all my years gone ? Farmvill" 13:07 waressearcher2 -- tobuscus 13:07 CWz it only makes people glued to the screen in obsession and delusion of them being owners of a farm. 13:08 waressearcher2 CWz: it brings them feeling of achievements 13:11 twoelk I like to plant wheat near ponds and lakes just for the looks ;-P 13:11 waressearcher2 is there flying mobs in minetest ? that not just walk or jump on the ground 13:12 twoelk join Meowtest hosted by Oldcoder for examples of flying mobs 13:12 twoelk I think Adventuretsest also has some 13:12 twoelk -s 13:18 waressearcher2 anyone knows on average how many minetest servers active here and how many players active ? 13:18 waressearcher2 some statistics ? 13:20 twoelk http://servers.minetest.net/ <-- study this 13:21 twoelk else ask sfan5 for spezific statistics 13:25 est31 this is a github traffic overview: http://pasteboard.co/Jt9v399.png 13:25 est31 500 to 1000 visits each day 13:26 est31 (of the github site) 13:34 waressearcher2 twoelk: why server's uptime so small from few hours to few days ? 13:43 waressearcher2 I presume lots of crashes, but there is one that has 309days uptime, but looks like no one ever connected to it 13:55 waressearcher2 can minetest record gameplay video ? 13:56 waressearcher2 or record a "demo" so anyone can replay ? 13:57 twoelk some servers have been up for years but most go offline on a regular basis for backups and maintenance 14:02 twoelk King Arthur, VanessaE's creative, Shadowninja's, Landrush, LinuxGaming and many others are long term servers 14:04 twoelk "Red Crab" is one of the oldest but it doesn't appear as it's server version is older than the public list feature 14:09 Calinou there's no demo system in Minetest 14:09 Calinou would be pretty complicated to do 14:09 Calinou it's not trivial for a FPS or racing game already 14:10 Calinou waressearcher2, use Open Broadcaster Software or SimpleScreenRecorder to record videos 14:10 Calinou and to edit them, PiTiVi, Openshot, Kdenlive, Shotcut, ... 14:10 Calinou or even Blender :) 14:12 twoelk Kazam is also nice and tiny - without any whistles and bells though 14:38 waressearcher2 Calinou: are "Open Broadcaster Software" or "SimpleScreenRecorder" those for linux ? so far I used ffmpeg for recording 14:40 Calinou both, yes 14:40 Calinou OBS is now cross-platform 14:40 Calinou OBS also works on Windows :) 14:40 Calinou https://obsproject.com/ 14:40 Calinou and OS X 14:41 Out`Of`Control how to make this work https://paste.debian.net/hidden/2c084217/ ? 14:42 Calinou http://www.maartenbaert.be/simplescreenrecorder/ 14:48 MinetestBot 02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Document current node metadata format 13691eb2d http://git.io/vnqvA (152015-09-18T16:47:13+02:00) 15:12 xfceKris So I caught a wild hair today and decided to learn lua, and develop a mod at the same time. Any bets on how long before I give up? 15:20 waressearcher2 2 days 15:20 waressearcher2 because in 2 days weekend ends and school starts 15:23 xfceKris I'm 26 years old, not in school 15:26 waressearcher2 xfceKris: what other languages do you knwo ? 15:26 xfceKris html. haha... 15:27 waressearcher2 you should've started with C, then assembler 15:27 waressearcher2 xfceKris: I mean do you really think lua would be good time investment, its like first language for you 15:28 xfceKris I learned html back in high school 15:28 waressearcher2 I'm not demotivating from modding for minetest 15:28 xfceKris Nah, I get what you are saying. 15:29 xfceKris I just saw something I wanted to add to the game, and figured the best way to do it was to just dive right in. 15:29 waressearcher2 xfceKris: try c++ that way you can use skills outside of minetest 15:35 xfceKris I'm sure I'll pick up some c++ while I'm at this. Heck, I'll probably just study both. I'm a quick study when it comes to this subject matter. 15:36 waressearcher2 that way you can also study GIMP and blender 15:37 waressearcher2 to make your textures and models for mods 15:45 Calinou GIMP is C, Blender is heavily Python-based 15:51 exio4 xfceKris: learn Lua, it's perfectly fine 15:51 exio4 xfceKris: and I don't think you should give up, it's perfectly fine 15:51 xfceKris I can use Gimp fairly well. I was an ad designer as a teenager for about two years 15:52 xfceKris I'm working on the textures for my mod in gimp now actually. :D 15:54 waressearcher2 xfceKris: by the way do desktop do you use KDE or Gnome ? 15:55 Calinou Lua is fine as a first language 15:55 Calinou much better than Java or C++ 15:55 xfceKris I'm running Xubuntu right now. So it's Xfce DE over the Ubuntu base. 15:55 Calinou xfceKris, also, there is Aseprite which is a specialized program for pixel art. 15:55 Calinou you can find it in Ubuntu repos 15:55 Calinou sudo apt-get install aseprite 15:55 waressearcher2 Calinou: "much better", in waht way ? 15:56 Calinou doesn't teach you bad habits as much or such 15:56 Calinou it's also easier to pick up, and easier to maintain 15:56 xfceKris Probably because lua is much simpler...At least as far as I can tell so far. 15:56 xfceKris lol 15:59 xfceKris Question about the license for the base game. Does it allow for me to use the chest textures (heavily modified and renamed) for my own purposes? 16:04 Calinou yes, as long as you give credit 16:04 Calinou and keep modifications under the same license 16:04 Calinou everything in Minetest is free 16:05 exio4 waressearcher2: Lua is a much simpler language, its BNF fits in practically nothing 16:05 exio4 it's one of those languages that without any specification, could be recreated, unless C++ 16:06 waressearcher2 Calinou: what if I change all but one pixel in texture, should I give a credit ? 16:07 xfceKris So as long as I credit the textures (that's all I'm copying) and keep the textures under LGPL 2.1+ all is well? 16:08 Calinou waressearcher2, probably not, a single pixel is not copyrightable 16:09 Calinou textures are not LGPL, they are usually CC BY-SA 3.0 Unported 16:09 Calinou or sometimes WTFPL 16:09 est31 Calinou, german telekom dislikes use of their color 16:09 Calinou heh 16:10 est31 for the case you know german or how to use google translator: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magenta_%28Farbe%29 16:15 waressearcher2 exio4: "Lua is a much simpler language", can it be that are biased because you do minetest stuff ? 16:15 Calinou exio4 is more into Haskell really :p 16:16 exio4 waressearcher2: I am not biased, its semantics are simpler, and as I said, the syntax is really simple 16:16 exio4 waressearcher2: it's scoping rules are also really nice 16:16 exio4 waressearcher2: compare it with C++, with an undecidable syntax, practically 16:17 exio4 waressearcher2: or with Java, with things like subtyping and covariant arrays which are both complicated and unsound by design respectively 16:17 Calinou it's keyword-based, which makes it kind of redundant though 16:17 Calinou rather than brace-based or indentation-based 16:18 exio4 Calinou: it's making what redudant? 16:18 Calinou Lua 16:18 Calinou the wall of "end"'s... 16:18 exio4 Calinou: I don't seem to follow, Lua's keyboard-based syntax or whatever is making what redudant? 16:18 exio4 the scoping rules? 16:19 Calinou no, the fact you must close your if's and such with "end" 16:19 Calinou rather than using indentation or braces 16:19 Calinou like in Ruby 16:19 exio4 oh, you mean the redundancy of the syntax 16:20 exio4 well, I don't really mind that given the syntax is really simple 16:20 * Calinou quite likes indent-based 16:20 * est31 quite hates whitespace based 16:21 Calinou this is why I favour Stylus over Sass :P 16:21 exio4 Haskell is whitespace sensitive! 16:21 exio4 or not, you can use {} if you don't want it to be 16:21 est31 haskell is the exception 16:21 est31 there it actually makes sense 16:21 exio4 main = do { x <- getLine; putStrLn ("hello " ++ x); } this is perfectly valid code :D 16:21 est31 all you do the whole long day in haskell is defining functions 16:22 exio4 indeed, it kinda makes sense as functions are kept small and what not too 16:22 exio4 you use the whitespace for making the code look nice, mostly 16:48 Krock hi 16:53 Out`Of`Control hi Krock 16:55 xfceKris I'll also be using this experience to teach myself more about Github and git in general. :D 16:56 xfceKris So it's a multifaceted learning project. 16:56 xfceKris I like it. 17:16 xfceKris Wouldn't you know it, I get an error on my first commit 17:16 xfceKris error: src refspec master does not match any. 17:16 xfceKris wtf does that mean? 17:22 rom1504 what command did you try ? 17:28 xfceKris I figured it out. I hadn't configured git on my computer to recognize me yet. 17:30 Calinou git config --global user.name "Me", git config --global user.email "me@example.com" 17:30 Calinou :p 17:30 Calinou you can either configure per-repository (--local) or globally (--global) 17:31 xfceKris Yup, did that. 17:31 xfceKris I had missed the warning before when I did "git commit -m 'first commit'" 17:32 Calinou -m is frowned upon, it leads to poor oneliners 17:32 xfceKris saw the warning the second time, and have officially made my first ever commit to github. :D 17:32 xfceKris https://github.com/xfceKris/Double_Chest.git 17:32 Calinou instead, just use git commit or git commit -a 17:32 Calinou then write your commit over several lines if needed 17:32 xfceKris I'm still learning, but I'll give that a try next time. 17:32 * xfceKris saves chat log for future reference 17:33 xfceKris also. the init.lua is blank right now...I haven't learned enough lua yet.lol 17:33 Calinou https://up1.ca/#Ihjg5gVknXcRlK_nl08ezA 17:33 Calinou example of a good commit message ^ 17:33 Calinou you can add an extended description to your commits 17:34 xfceKris I like it. And that's using -a right? 17:34 Calinou yes, use "git commit" or "git commit -a" 17:34 Calinou (-a adds everything before) 17:34 Calinou tip: you can use Git directly from the Atom editor (https://atom.io), install the "git-plus" package 17:35 * xfceKris re-saves chat log for future reading. 17:36 Calinou another useful thing, "git lg". This is an alias for "git log" that looks prettier: https://coderwall.com/p/euwpig/a-better-git-log 17:36 xfceKris So what are you saying? Mousepad and command line aren't good enough? 17:36 Calinou follow the instructions (the alias one), then type "git lg" instead of "git log" 17:36 Calinou you'll have a pretty colored log, with commit hash and relative date/author 17:36 xfceKris I gotta use some third party stuff with everything built in> 17:36 xfceKris ? 17:36 xfceKris lmao 17:36 Calinou well, Mousepad is pretty lacking in terms of features 17:37 Calinou you want at least syntax highlighting and such 17:37 est31 meh if I want it pretty I use gitk 17:37 Calinou for this, Geany is perfect, it handles Lua natively, but you can also use Atom 17:37 Calinou est31, there is also "tig" 17:37 est31 but honestly I havent yet explored what git tools one can use 17:37 xfceKris The first time I ever wrote code, I was using MS notepad... 17:37 xfceKris talk about LACKING 17:38 xfceKris est31: link or reference for gitk? 17:38 xfceKris Calinou: same for tig? 17:42 est31 tig isnt pretty 17:44 est31 gitg isnt pretty either 17:44 est31 both have weird ux 17:44 est31 guess their ux isnt weird, just I dont want to learn it 17:44 * est31 is happy with gitk 17:50 xfceKris atom is looking pretty awesome from what I'm reading on their website. Gonna look up Geany next 18:05 Calinou Atom is entirely hackable, it has tons of packages and can thus support a lot of languages. 18:05 Calinou it also has support for linters that check your code, and auto-completion 18:05 xfceKris where are all of the default mods hiden? 18:08 xfceKris Found them 19:53 ancer hi, there 19:53 ancer I have a question regarding programming LuaEntity 19:55 ancer when I just set constant horizontal velocity to entity, it from time to time twitches 19:56 Calinou floating-point precision errors? 19:56 Calinou can you do a screencast? 19:56 ancer while debugging this, I noticed that this occurs when in entity:on_step funciton, dtime is much larger than usual 19:56 ancer sure 19:57 ancer cannot be floating point, because I set velocity once and see strange effect changing no entity properties 20:00 ancer I already wrote screencast 20:00 ancer where to upload it? 20:02 Calinou screencast, not screenshot 20:02 ancer ok, I uploaded it on youtube 20:02 ancer https://youtu.be/_0KrAEmmccY 20:03 ancer look closely at third jump of a sheep 20:03 ancer it goes backward for one frame 20:05 Calinou that's due to client-side prediction errors, I think 20:05 ancer so, there is no way to eliminate this effect? 20:06 ancer I'm trying to program mob, but these strange visuals make it look crappy 20:08 Calinou I don't think this can be fixed until we get client-side modding 20:10 ancer The same I think happens sometimes, when other players are teleported from one position to another 20:11 ancer but that I think mostly to network lag 20:11 ancer and I'm testing this in singleplayer 20:49 * STHGOM is away: away from keybored 20:58 ElectronLibre Is it just me or sometimes when you point at an unknown node it has no itemstring printed in the debug info? 21:02 DFeniks i wonder if there is way to know itemstring for not placed items . or in craft guide 21:03 ElectronLibre I created a command that allows you to get the itemstring of the item you're handling, even the unknown ones. 21:04 ElectronLibre But such a feature doesn't exist in Minetest nor Mintest Game. 21:19 waressearcher2 why there wasn't "client-side modding" at the begining ? poor design ? or no one thought it would be necessary ? 21:20 ElectronLibre At the beginning there was no modding. 21:20 ElectronLibre And the devs said, let's there be mods. 21:20 waressearcher2 no, and the community said: devs give us some mods 21:21 ElectronLibre Yeah maybe, but in the end there were mods. 21:21 waressearcher2 so when mods were introduced why they weren't client-side ? 21:21 ElectronLibre But nobody thought at this moment that it could be useful on client-side, and probably nobody wanted to code that. 21:22 ElectronLibre I'm not old enough minetest-wise to know precisely but it's probably that it was easier server-side, and nobody thought it would be of any use on client-side. 21:23 waressearcher2 ElectronLibre: you are not one of those "architects" ? 21:23 ElectronLibre No I'm not. 21:23 ElectronLibre But in order to use your metaphor, I would say that I'm closer to an humble sandcastle builder than an architect. 21:26 waressearcher2 minetrix 21:36 basil60 hi got minetest up and running as a server yesterday (Ubuntu), but I can't find info on running it as a service. Can anyone provide a link please? 21:37 ElectronLibre Is it even possible to run minetest as a service? 21:37 basil60 perhaps not the right term...keep it running once I exit my ssh terminal 21:38 ElectronLibre I think I know how to do that. 21:38 ElectronLibre Put the command you use to launch your server in a script, make the script executable, then do ./startserver.sh & disown 21:38 waressearcher2 basil60: run it inside "screen" ? 21:39 ElectronLibre ^ That works too. 21:39 basil60 waressearcher2 run it inside "screen" ? 21:39 waressearcher2 ElectronLibre: what if server process interactive ? in your case he will lose its interactivity 21:40 waressearcher2 basil60: programm called "screen" it can detach from terminal, or there is also another one called "tmux" 21:40 ElectronLibre The only interactivity you can have with a minetestserver instance is a SIGINT. 21:40 ElectronLibre And you can do that even without interacting with it. 21:40 basil60 I'll go and look up tmux 21:40 waressearcher2 basil60: you administrate your ubuntu server using remote terminal and never heard of "screen" or "tmux" ? 21:41 basil60 i'm a linux noob....no enough to gte myself in trouble...never been a big commnad line fan - understand it's power..but 21:41 waressearcher2 also there is "nohup" 22:02 basil60 thanks...I'll have to play with tmux..and get a handle onit 22:03 basil60 When I start the server, I get an error - 2015-09-18 18:01:31: ERROR[Main]: Couldn't find a locale directory! - can I ignore that? 22:33 rubenwardy Moved into university!!! 22:34 Megaf Really? http://9gag.com/gag/aXXVdrP 22:38 nm0i Whats the reason behind UDP, if everyone lags anyway. 22:42 waressearcher2 no overhead for establishing connection 22:43 waressearcher2 does minetest uses UDP for client server communication ? 22:46 waressearcher2 UDP can be much better in some cases, like NFS, but for some reason in latest version NFS they removed UDP entirely 22:47 waressearcher2 in is convenient when you can restart NFS server without reconecting clients 23:07 rubenwardy TCP can have up to 2 seconds **before sending** 23:07 rubenwardy so you'd have an average of 1-2 seconds of lag 23:07 rubenwardy whereas the RTT in MT isn't that large 23:07 rubenwardy it more the magnitude of data that is sent 23:07 rubenwardy afaik 23:08 rubenwardy and how efficient the server does it 23:14 rubenwardy TCP buffers the packet stream, inorder to send reliably 23:20 waressearcher2 is there a difference from the stand point of routers that are in between client and server, whether you use TCP or UDP ? 23:20 rubenwardy no 23:20 rubenwardy TCP is build on UDP 23:20 waressearcher2 or for them they are all ip packets 23:20 rubenwardy sorr 23:20 rubenwardy sorry 23:20 rubenwardy TCP is built on IP 23:21 waressearcher2 "TCP is build on UDP", thats something new 23:21 rubenwardy UDP is a very very thin layer of IP 23:21 waressearcher2 yes, just port field 23:21 rubenwardy anyway, time to sleep 23:34 * STHGOM is back (gone 02:44:45)