Time  Nick            Message
00:52 waressearcher2  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iD_AalaQfY#t=26s   is that a another mod for minecraft or remake in new engine or it is not exist ?
01:01 hmmmm           god that video is so hard to watch
01:01 hmmmm           does the host think he's funny or something?  does he have ADHD?  why does the news in question need to be in a video format anyway?
01:19 OldCoder        Status of New Inchra VE IRC ?
01:19 VanessaE        my server is offline.
01:19 VanessaE        DDoS'ed.
01:20 VanessaE        I'm working on regaining access to it so I can move the data to a new hosting provider who won't cut me off due to DDoS.
01:24 hmmmm           hmm
01:24 hmmmm           really wish we could have pictures and graphs in lua_api.txt
01:24 hmmmm           there's no way i can concisely describe what's going on here without essentially duplicating the actual algorithm in english
01:26 STHGOM          who would ddos?
01:26 VanessaE        who the fuck knows.
01:27 waressearcher2  by the way that link I posted, it make me think that its possible minecraft fans will turn to other alternatives if microsoft will start "updating" minecraft as it does with every version of windows
01:27 waressearcher2  with new "features"
01:28 waressearcher2  needs a new name in advance, will it become "mineshit" or "shitcraft"
01:40 STHGOM          the name may as well fit, eh?
02:08 OldCoder        VanessaE, hosts blame *you* for DDOS ??
02:09 OldCoder        That is pretty damn unreasonable
02:09 OldCoder        I suppose I'll move my channels to my server. I can't host other channels immediately.
02:09 * OldCoder      will return
02:10 OldCoder        Hm. Or, as I just have 3 now, maybe back to Freenode.
02:10 VanessaE        so it seems.
02:10 OldCoder        That is ridiculous. They said this?
02:10 OldCoder        "You got DDOSed so FU"
02:10 VanessaE        not in so many words
02:10 OldCoder        Wait, I have a host for you
02:10 OldCoder        And his hardware is
02:10 VanessaE        it was more like "fuck you, wait for the DDoS to end".
02:10 OldCoder        <ddos> Die! Die!
02:10 OldCoder        <hardware> laugh! laugh!
02:11 VanessaE        too late, I'm already setting up a new server where DDoS protection actually exists.
02:11 OldCoder        He is also a Zen Master and you can text him when there are problems
02:11 OldCoder        So, you already have the host?
02:11 OldCoder        Good; but you need data the old host won't give you?
02:11 OldCoder        How much are you paying the new host? For what hardware?
02:11 VanessaE        so far I've managed to restore my website and get minetest installed (but my worlds are inaccessible until the old server comes back online).
02:12 OldCoder        How old are backups? And is IRC restartable?
02:12 VanessaE        the backups are done daily.
02:12 OldCoder        So, you have the backups...
02:12 VanessaE        but they're on the server as well, on a different drive.
02:12 OldCoder        Or they are only...
02:12 OldCoder        Ah
02:12 * OldCoder      needs a skull smiley
02:12 OldCoder        That is not advisable at all
02:12 OldCoder        What about IRC?
02:13 VanessaE        the IRC stuff is run from ShadowNinja's account....on the server.
02:13 VanessaE        inchra is up, you can use anum.inchra.net if you want
02:13 OldCoder        So gone until data is obtained
02:13 VanessaE        or the round robin server at irc.inchra.net works too.
02:13 OldCoder        Hm?
02:13 OldCoder        But all the channels seem down?
02:13 OldCoder        Ah
02:13 OldCoder        This is him and not digitaletc ?
02:13 VanessaE        but everything that was hosted by dac.com is down until Hetzner AG gets their heads out of their asses.
02:14 OldCoder        Using his servers not advisable for now; he does not have the password for DNS
02:14 OldCoder        Plus is not around much
02:14 VanessaE        except my website, I just now got that back up on the new server./
02:14 OldCoder        Hm. Well, hope you get the data back.
02:14 VanessaE        as for cost, the old one was about $43/mo.  the new one will be $56/mo after the setup fee runs out.
02:14 OldCoder        Any idea who is doing this or why? Random?
02:14 OldCoder        What type of hardware?
02:14 VanessaE        (I staggered the setup fee over 6 months)
02:15 VanessaE        the new machine is https://www.soyoustart.com/us/offers/e3-sat-3.xml
02:15 OldCoder        Oh, DI3HARD139, PM me here pls
02:15 OldCoder        Reviewing machine
02:15 VanessaE        old server had less RAM, more cores, and an SSD, but based on my previous usage pattern, this will be enough
02:16 OldCoder        I can beat that price for better hardware
02:16 OldCoder        But if you are set up, OK
02:16 DI3HARD139      Sorry I was AFK
02:16 OldCoder        DI3HARD139, no sorry
02:16 OldCoder        PM regarding Economy or actually let us chat here
02:16 OldCoder        It is brief
02:17 OldCoder        You did not include all the mods; for example, which folder on your server is kutils in?
02:17 OldCoder        Or fnaf?
02:17 OldCoder        Can you send a ZIP with all the mods?
02:17 OldCoder        And some of the mods use Unified Inventory and some use Inventory Plus
02:17 OldCoder        Which is the mod that should be used?
02:18 OldCoder        Looks like Unified based on world.mt
02:18 OldCoder        But other mods that you sent seem to require Inventory Plus
02:19 OldCoder        Appreciate help and this is fun
02:19 DI3HARD139      That is all the mods. FNAF was removed but I couldnt figure out how to remove the unknowns that were randomly but rarely found. ignore the models mod as it was part of a test world.
02:19 OldCoder        But tips will be useful
02:19 OldCoder        What about kutils?
02:19 OldCoder        There are a dozen more not found
02:20 OldCoder        Let's try it this way...
02:20 DI3HARD139      can u pastebin the log? I just used the world.mt to enable/disable mods. I use a central mods folder accross all servers
02:20 OldCoder        What is the mods folder at the top level?
02:20 OldCoder        It includes infrastructure, and that needs prefab
02:20 OldCoder        Which is not included anywhere
02:20 OldCoder        So is the mods folder at the top level used?
02:20 DI3HARD139      prefab I couldnt get working and I could have sworn I deleted that mod....
02:20 OldCoder        Infrastructure?
02:21 OldCoder        There are many logs
02:21 OldCoder        I worked on this for a while
02:21 OldCoder        Let us try it this way:
02:21 OldCoder        What is the mods folder at the top level?
02:21 OldCoder        Is that intended to be used?
02:21 OldCoder        Patience is requested; this may be instructive for others
02:21 DI3HARD139      yes. I had to do it that way as some mods would crash if placed in the economy_game folder
02:21 OldCoder        Go on; why?
02:22 DI3HARD139      IDK. It would just through out exception errors. Ill reconstruct the world tree with only the mods that that world uses
02:22 OldCoder        That is good
02:23 OldCoder        Did you know
02:23 OldCoder        that the mods folder and the game/mods folder
02:23 OldCoder        have conflicting copies of mods?
02:24 DI3HARD139      yes. that was originally caused on RRH-Creative. I had issues with those mods crashing at random and that was the only way it would stay stable. But that was on 4.10.
02:24 DI3HARD139      0.4.10
02:25 DI3HARD139      My servers aren't the most organized lol
02:26 OldCoder        It is fine
02:26 OldCoder        Try to prepare a ZIP of the mods I ought to try
02:26 OldCoder        I will prepare FWIW a working copy of the world
02:26 OldCoder        For download
02:26 OldCoder        Before I disassemble it
02:27 DI3HARD139      ok
02:30 DI3HARD139      Not sure what kutils is. Was that a missing dependent?
02:38 OldCoder        Hi
02:38 OldCoder        Emergency over here will be back
02:38 DI3HARD139      ok
02:38 OldCoder        I moved my channels back to Freenode DI3HARD139 and Freenode didn't like it :-)
02:38 OldCoder        So need to tidy things up and set up my own IRC
02:38 OldCoder        kutils was a missing dependent
02:38 DI3HARD139      lol | ok
02:38 OldCoder        Just make a clean mod tree
02:39 OldCoder        and let me try it
02:39 OldCoder        We'll work it out
02:39 DI3HARD139      want me to move the mods into the economy_game?
02:39 DI3HARD139      for ease of use?
05:21 swift110-phone  Hey
07:21 Jobava          is there a more or less complete packaging of minetest that includes mobs and the general mechanics of proprietary minecraft?
07:22 Jobava          torches, redstone, chests, sheep and some animals
07:39 VanessaE        Jobava: no, there is not, because this is not a minecraft clone.
07:40 VanessaE        there are subgames that have similar things, but nothing that's an exact clone as far as I know
07:41 Jobava          VanessaE: was looking for a fairly minecraft-ish experience though not necessarily identical, to implement in a few school and classroom projects
07:41 VanessaE        ahh
08:31 stormchaser3000 ugh
08:31 stormchaser3000 my server is the 3rd victim of a ddos attack sting
08:32 stormchaser3000 string*
08:54 JamesTait       Good morning all; happy Guacamole Day! 😃
09:05 stormchaser3000 JamesTait: earlier today. my minetest server was DDoS'ed
09:05 stormchaser3000 D:
09:06 JamesTait       😩  Well that's not a good start to the day.
09:06 stormchaser3000 and my vps provider temporarily null routed my vps
09:06 stormchaser3000 but
09:06 stormchaser3000 my server is back upo
09:06 stormchaser3000 up*
09:06 stormchaser3000 XD
09:10 JamesTait       That's an improvement, then - the day's getting better already!
09:10 CWz             stormchaser3000: you too?
09:11 CWz             lots of servers seem to be ddosed
09:11 CWz             including ve's
12:27 nicoalta01      hi
12:28 STHGOM          dont seem to be connecting :/
12:28 STHGOM          oop
12:28 STHGOM          wrang chan :3
12:28 nicoalta01      hiii
12:28 nicoalta01      :-)
12:28 nicoalta01      how are you?
12:29 STHGOM          hi nicoalta01, im pretty good, you?
12:29 nicoalta01      i'm happy
12:30 STHGOM          aw thats nice :)
12:35 gravgun         VanessaE: are you still struggling with these DDoS issues?
12:35 VanessaE        no
12:35 VanessaE        I moved everything to a new machine on a different provide.r
12:42 CWz             so what will happen to VanessaE's old server
12:42 CWz             is it still being ddosed
12:42 VanessaE        apparently it's still being attacked.
12:42 VanessaE        if and when it comes back up, I'll move the rest of the data over and shut it down.
12:43 CWz             [off] wow talk about having no life
12:43 ElectronLibre   What about stormchaser3000's one?
12:43 CWz             what about minetest4fun
12:43 VanessaE        stormchaser's is up afaik.
12:43 ElectronLibre   MT4Fun's servers are up.
12:43 CWz             [off] I fear these attacks will be come commonplace now
12:44 ElectronLibre   But the IRC bots are trying to connect to osiris since they used dac.com as domain name for the server..
12:44 ElectronLibre   [off] Is it the first time that it happens to more than one or two servers, really?
12:45 CWz             [off] I am curious to know if other minetest servers have been ddosed. probably  alots of kids got grounded for hosting minetest servers wihtout telling momdad about
12:46 CWz             well I am probbaly not going to host server on public server list anymore
12:46 ElectronLibre   [off] So far I've only heard about servers attacked that were on the public list, so not anybody will be attacked, but there could be some of them that we've not heard of yet
12:47 STHGOM          [off] does the [off] make it so its not logged?
12:47 CWz             [off] yes
12:48 ElectronLibre   [off] Do not use it too much though
12:48 CWz             I wonder if the attacker is a minecrafter and is mad that minetest is a "rip off"
12:49 gravgun         Could be
12:49 gravgun         But I doubt it
12:49 gravgun         Most minecrafters are autistic 12 years olds
12:49 VanessaE        YES!
12:50 gravgun         ?
12:50 VanessaE        I finally figured out ipv6 on my box
12:50 CWz             YES?
12:50 gravgun         Neat :)
12:50 VanessaE        I can move the rest of dac.com's data
12:50 ElectronLibre   For a few seconds I thought she approved what gravgun said.
12:50 gravgun         Me too ElectronLibre
12:50 CWz             [off] gravgun i got two words for you, citation needed
12:51 gravgun         CWz: you know "satire"?
12:51 gravgun         :P
12:51 CWz             lol
12:51 gravgun         "autistic" thing aside
12:52 gravgun         A good part of the demographic that plays MC is 10-14
12:52 waressearcher2  I have a question
12:52 gravgun         Ay?
12:53 waressearcher2  I know in minecraft chunks are in 16x16x128 size because there is a limit on 64 block up and 64 blocks down, right ?
12:53 waressearcher2  and in minetest there is no that small limit in minetest chunks are 16x16x63000 right ?
12:54 waressearcher2  so why isn't world generation in minetest is not 492.1875 times slower ?
12:54 gravgun         waressearcher2
12:54 gravgun         Because chunks aren't handled the same way at all
12:54 gravgun         MC indeed uses 16x16x128 chunks
12:55 gravgun         That got expanded to 256 height since they converted to the Anvil world format
12:55 waressearcher2  but they are stacked on top of another 16x16x128 chunks ?
12:55 gravgun         Which 128 added height blocks are marked empty unless touched
12:55 gravgun         However
12:55 gravgun         Minetest is kind of differents
12:55 gravgun         Chunks aren't 16x16x256
12:55 gravgun         *16x16x63000
12:56 waressearcher2  so there is no 2d field of 16x16x128 chuncks, there is 3d volume of 16x16x128 chunks ?
12:56 gravgun         In Minecraft it's a bit tricky
12:56 gravgun         It's a 2D map of 16x16x256 put simply
12:56 gravgun         In Minetest it's a 3D map of 16x16x16
12:56 gravgun         So generation isn't slower
12:57 gravgun         Only chunks close to the player are generated
12:57 waressearcher2  gravgun: so what is going on when you to higher or lower then 256 blocks, the algorithm changes ?
12:57 gravgun         (hum I said 16x16x16 but actually it's stored as 80x80x80 mapblocks IIRC)
12:57 gravgun         waressearcher2: no
12:58 gravgun         The algorithm is just provided the range of chunks to generate
12:58 gravgun         And it can do such non-sequentially, independently of position on all 3 axes
12:58 waressearcher2  so going hight 256 blocks is the same as going left or forward from the engine point of view ?
12:58 gravgun         Exactly
12:59 gravgun         Minecraft is kind of the same, except it generates on arbitrary X/Z coordinates, the chunks being generated on the whole 256 block height
13:01 gravgun         Since the world in both games in "infinite", the world gen algorithms are made so they can generate only parts of the map.
13:01 gravgun         Eventually constructing a continuous, coherent lanscape (or not).
13:02 waressearcher2  is it really impossible to make it infinite ?
13:02 gravgun         Infinity can't be handled
13:02 gravgun         It's more of a concept than anything
13:02 gravgun         You can have fking large numbers
13:02 gravgun         But there's always an upper limit
13:03 gravgun         or if you simulate infinity
13:03 gravgun         The further you go
13:03 gravgun         The slower every computation is
13:03 brothersome     infinite? 32K is the limit in all directions
13:03 gravgun         Analogous to how you take more time to do a computation on paper with a 7000 digit long number than with a 70 digit one
13:04 waressearcher2  how about that trick: whenever you quit game and start again your coordinates are reset, and will remove 63000 block limit, isn't it ? because you can only see some chunks at a time, so even if you say travel 60000 blocks, you restart the game and now you can continue to walk another 60000 blocks, all that previously generated world is still on
13:04 waressearcher2  harddrive in a file so you can always go back but you need restart game every 60000 blocks, would it be easy to implement ?
13:05 gravgun         waressearcher2: basically that's warping around to the other end of the world
13:06 gravgun         brothersome: actually if you edit MT much you can get coordinates (and therefore world) that can go 2^48 blocks further
13:07 gravgun         brothersome: (with heavy issues the further you go due to floating point number precision problems)
13:08 brothersome     gravgun, I only look at the "struct" in C where 4096 blocks is the limit
13:08 gravgun         brothersome: what struct?
13:09 brothersome     gravgun, it is in the source code of minetest where 4096 blocks === 32K nodes is the limit
13:10 twoelk          waressearcher2: please define your concept of infinity as I presume you do not quite understand the word
13:10 gravgun         brothersome: sorry, my mistake by saying "blocks" instead of the actual "node" name
13:12 brothersome     I do think what he meant with infinite, take a square piece of paper and hold all 4 angle together
13:12 twoelk          yeah - moebius band
13:13 twoelk          but that is not infinity
13:13 twoelk          and there is a mod for tiling the world somewhere
13:15 waressearcher2  twoelk: when you can go in one direction for until you get bored at least say 100-200 real world hours, that would require at least 10 million blocks in minecraft
13:16 waressearcher2  not actual infinity but much better than 63000 blocks limit
13:16 twoelk          so simply larger than your stamina ;-P
13:16 waressearcher2  much larger
13:16 est31           a good minimal size for the map should be the size of the planet we live on
13:16 rom1504         is minecraft really infinite ?
13:16 CWz             no
13:17 waressearcher2  I mean some people do not want to build they want to explore and walk really far distances
13:17 rom1504         "infinite" would require BigInt and such stuff afaik
13:17 twoelk          well simply rewrite the address system to include larger numbers and then wait until someone knocks at the border and complains it still isen't infinity
13:17 twoelk          -e
13:18 rom1504         nobody need infinite anyway
13:18 CWz             being Infinite would be impossible as last time i checked there aren't any infinite space hdds
13:18 rom1504         CWz: lazily infinite would be possible
13:19 rom1504         (you generate stuff only when you need them)
13:19 twoelk          the map can allready be larger than we can store on availiable hardware iirc
13:20 CWz             i think current mapgen limit of minetest is about 31 kilometers from the center
13:21 ElectronLibre   +31029 in each direction.
13:21 brothersome     30960 limit
13:21 waressearcher2  I calculated if you would have 1 billion blocks world and you travel 5 blocks per second it will take you (1000000000/5)/60/60/24/365  about 6.3 real world years to reach its border so if you play 3 hours a day it can keep you busy for 50 years, I think its would be enough of a world size what do you think ?
13:22 brothersome     Limit is 4096 blocks in each direction not 32K nodes !
13:22 rom1504         I wonder if someone tried to implement a spherical world in minetest/minecraft (instead of a flat world), might be fun
13:23 waressearcher2  rom1504: you mean the world's "plane" actually bends as you reach horizon ?
13:23 CWz             i am not measuring by blocks but by meters from the x and z axis
13:24 rom1504         I mainly mean when you get to one "side" of the world, you get to the other "side" waressearcher2
13:24 rom1504         that would solve the infinity problem
13:24 waressearcher2  looped
13:24 twoelk          https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=10753 worldedge mod for teleporting players from one border to the opposite border
13:24 CWz             each block being about a square meter
13:24 waressearcher2  twoelk: but is the actual teleportation happens or you do not notice anything ?
13:24 brothersome     each node being about a square meter
13:25 rom1504         interesting
13:25 waressearcher2  CWz: why are you saying "about" a square meter" ? why not to think "exactly" a square meter that will make everything easier
13:25 rom1504         then you can say nobody invented space travel in minetest and that's why you don't have access to an infinite world :p
13:26 waressearcher2  why not to have a huge wall at the border with a texture of a sky with clouds and a door, and when you step into the door the game it over ?
13:27 waressearcher2  that way you know you are in an actual "box"
13:27 waressearcher2  like "truman's show"
13:28 brothersome     waressearcher2, I am thinking of a sudden death
13:31 CWz             maybe have the end of the world have some kind of fake blocks on the otherside of an invisible barrier to make look nicer and not a gray abyss
13:32 waressearcher2  brothersome: at first I though you want to die yourself
13:32 waressearcher2  but you are saying of game character
13:32 * brothersome   thinks that the 256 blocks limit X,Z and depth and a 16 blocks limit in height is big enough
13:33 waressearcher2  its like as big as football field ?
13:33 waressearcher2  you can't even build a decent house on that area
13:33 brothersome     waressearcher2, 1 block = 16 x 16 x 16 nodes
13:33 waressearcher2  brothersome: its like you are saying pentium II is fast enought
13:34 waressearcher2  brothersome: wait the "block" you are talking about have to be that block you can destroy in the game right ?
13:34 * brothersome   is typing on a keyboard of 1987
13:35 waressearcher2  brothersome: you need an ascii version of minetest
13:35 brothersome     waressearcher2, No - you can destroy a content of a node that is inside a block, and a block is transported between clients and servers
13:35 gravgun         brothersome: That's a vocabulary issue right here
13:36 gravgun         waressearcher2: A "node" is the 1x1x1 unit, a "block" is a bunch of 80x80x80 nodes.
13:36 brothersome     16x16x16 nodes!
13:36 sfan5           ^
13:37 waressearcher2  gravgun: so you are destroing say dirt "nodes" not dirt "blocks" ?
13:37 est31           yes
13:37 gravgun         waressearcher2: In Minetest's vocab yes
13:37 waressearcher2  lets call them "cubes" then ?
13:38 waressearcher2  why is that game all "node" looking
13:38 brothersome     waressearcher2, Source code
13:38 waressearcher2  it just when people say its a "blocky" looking they mean every pieces is a "block"
13:38 gravgun         #define MAP_BLOCKSIZE 16 indeed
13:38 waressearcher2  until someone tells them its all "nodes"
13:38 gravgun         I'm kinda lost through MT's source
13:39 gravgun         Well I won't argument on how much I find MT's source shitty anyway :)
13:39 waressearcher2  right lets bitch bout source code, c55 is not here anyway
13:40 gravgun         I'd rather bitch about maintainers
13:40 brothersome     The source code is readable
13:40 gravgun         :D
13:40 gravgun         I didn't say it was unreadable
13:40 brothersome     ok
13:40 gravgun         Bad != unreadable
13:41 twoelk          so whip up a list of suggestions
13:41 brothersome     There are some serious memory issues
13:41 brothersome     Why is stopping Minetest under WinXP easier than under Ubuntu?
13:42 CWz             minetest alzheimer's
13:42 gravgun         Memory is managed in a way (that I didn't look into) that is overall bad
13:42 CWz             Seriously minetest for windows never really worked well for me
13:43 gravgun         Things such as musics, that can take multiple megs of ram, are loaded upon startup
13:43 gravgun         That caused 1 GB memory usage on MinetestForFun server
13:43 gravgun         which I had to troubleshoot
13:44 gravgun         And overall I heavily dislike any support of the really old MT things that is made
13:44 twoelk          that's what the idea of a seperate media server is supposed to solve
13:45 gravgun         Makes code 3x bigger for a game that DOESN'T guarantee full backwards compatibility as one of its features
13:45 twoelk          the rest is caused by the philosophy that the server supplies all info
13:45 gravgun         twoelk: Not talking about server RAM usage
13:46 gravgun         Anyway I'm off guys, coming back in 2 hours + ~20 min.
13:46 twoelk          hm?
13:46 H-H-H           heres a thing lol instead of bitching about it why not do something about it lol fork minetest and solve the issues instead of bitching about them :) btw im not being nasty just trying to persuade ya to use your energy more efficiently lol
13:46 gravgun         Nope H-H-H
13:46 gravgun         I'm not forking MT
13:46 gravgun         I'm making my own engine
13:46 gravgun         -> away
13:47 H-H-H           fair enough :) just a suggestion
15:29 est31           <gravgun> And overall I heavily dislike any support of the really old MT things that is made <---- we don't do things like that
15:30 est31           it is important to support medium old clients e.g. 0.4.10
15:30 est31           that has to be maintained
15:31 est31           there is where our players are
15:31 est31           you can't just say "it bloats our code, we remove it", thats arrogant
15:32 est31           but ofc, if players switch to new clients, then support can be dropped
15:32 est31           and about maintaining compat with old map formats: players demand that as well.
15:33 est31           and right now there is no "migration mode" where you can update a map to more recent formats
15:33 est31           even if you open a map created with an old version of minetest, and edit some blocks, there still could be old blocks around
15:42 est31           gravgun, but good luck with writing a new engine. I only maintain one and that already is hard enough
15:44 MinetestBot     02[git] 04est31 -> 03minetest/minetest: Fix object position border checking 136c81be5 http://git.io/vZxbS (152015-09-16T17:39:49+02:00)
16:08 Megaf           Hi
16:08 Megaf           !server Megaf
16:08 MinetestBot     Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 0/11, 0/1 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
16:08 Megaf           my server is quite fast now, and with a good viewing range
16:10 Out`Of`Control  hey Megaf
16:13 Megaf           Hi there
16:14 Out`Of`Control  can i have interact
16:31 Megaf           !server Megaf
16:31 MinetestBot     Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 2/11, 1/2 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
16:32 stormchaser3000 hi Megaf
16:32 Megaf           Hi stormchaser3000, hows things
16:40 CWz             Megaf: there has been a wave of ddos attacks recently
16:40 Megaf           CWz: what was the target?
16:40 CWz             VanessaE's, stormchasers and MT4fun servers
16:41 Megaf           Why would someone attack a minetest server?
16:42 ElectronLibre   That's one of the most troubling things about those attacks, why? It could be a lot of things.
16:46 CWz             maybe it an old minetest dev who was mocked by the other devs and is now hell bent on revenge.
16:56 waressearcher2  is there a mod where you can build rocked and go to moon ?
16:57 ElectronLibre   waressearcher2, there's a mod to build moon portals and go to the moon.
16:57 gravgun         Moon, Portals...
16:58 ElectronLibre   It's quite old and I don't know if it still works, it probably does.
16:58 gravgun         Coincidence?
16:59 waressearcher2  gravgun: space, need more space
16:59 gravgun         Space, are you my dad?
17:03 waressearcher2  speaking of space, what do you think about deorbiting intarnational space station, at first they planned to do it in 2016 then in 2024 then in 2028, should it be deorbited at all ? after all they spend 100billion per year to maintain it, a bit expensive
17:04 gravgun         What's wrong with it?
17:08 Calinou         waressearcher2, by 2100, the ISS will be replaced by http://i.imgur.com/f6CWm6E.jpg
17:09 * Calinou       gallops away
17:09 CWz             ^ that was just odd
17:09 waressearcher2  I doub't I'll be here in 2100
17:10 waressearcher2  something telling me I'll be in better place
17:10 CWz             i think someone was frying junglegrass I am starting to hallucinate
17:11 * CWz           notices a snake with cheapies head
17:11 CWz             nope everything is normal
17:19 Megaf           lol
17:24 Calinou         Megaf has been ponified :)
17:25 * Megaf         dislikes ponies
17:27 Megaf           meh, bacon sushui, It got 56 KG more just looking at the pictures
17:27 Megaf           don't google Bacon sushi
17:27 Megaf           http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-YMT--ma5rfg/TtYhglC3IeI/AAAAAAAABOY/s7vSlPzrCMo/s1600/7.jpg <- I will have a flower I think.
17:30 exio4           waressearcher2: i dont think a corspe cares where it is
17:30 exio4           now that i think of it, that would be a good excuse ted bundy could have said
17:40 waressearcher2  exio4: sometimes he returned weeks later to rape bodies again, can you imagine raping rotten bodies ?
17:40 exio4           a true hero
17:40 waressearcher2  exio4: do you know what was his biggest excuse ? "there are so many people" -- Ted Bundy
17:58 waressearcher2  speaking of ponies
17:58 waressearcher2  Ted Bundy was obsessed with girls with pony tails
18:26 waressearcher2  what is the difference between "cadaver" and "corpse" ?
18:33 CWz             I think they are synonymous as in one and the same
18:42 Nitori          though corpse is usually a "human cadaver"
18:43 Nitori          oh, what is this channel? why are you talking about corpses? Oo
18:44 Krock           doesn't matter what the difference is. Dead is dead.
18:45 STHGOM          xP
18:45 Nitori          it matters, if you don't want to sound weird, when talking about murder scenes
18:47 CWz             who's the stiff taking a dirtnap?
18:56 VanessaE        Megaf: they didn't just attack the minetest server, they attacked the whole box
19:04 RichardTheTurd  VanessaE: Is the attack still going?
19:06 waressearcher2  is there a limit for amount of TNT you can place and explode at a time on servers ?
19:06 VanessaE        RichardTheTurd: it appears so - the old server is still null-routed on ip4.
19:06 CWz             RichardTheTurd: VanessaE has server jumpped
19:06 waressearcher2  what if someone placed 100 tnt and explode them will it crash the server ?
19:06 VanessaE        ipv6 works, but I don't need the old box anymore.  I've moved everything to a new host.
19:08 RichardTheTurd  They must not know what connection limiting is.
19:08 CWz             so this means VanessaE is on her 3rd server already
19:09 CWz             [off] what if they ddos the new one
19:09 RichardTheTurd  it has DDoS protection
19:09 RichardTheTurd  I'm presuming by CloudFlare
19:09 VanessaE        fourth actually; and yeah it has a good DDoS protection by the host.
19:09 CWz             what happened to the first
19:10 RichardTheTurd  ^
19:10 VanessaE        actually this is probably 5th or 6th by now :)
19:10 CWz             so what happened 1- 3
19:10 waressearcher2  how DDoS protection works ?
19:11 VanessaE        first was a linode instance.  moved to a dedi at OVH just to upgrade.  Moved to another dedi at SyS as another upgrade.  That hardware didn't work very well (lost of hard crashes), so I moved to a server at Hetzner.  This last move was back to OVH after the DDoS.
19:11 RichardTheTurd  Limits the # of connections that can occure in a set amount of time if I recall
19:11 RichardTheTurd  occur*
19:11 VanessaE        RichardTheTurd: actually they vacuum the traffic and route the attacking IPs to /dev/null
19:12 CWz             cool story
19:12 waressearcher2  CWz: what is "[off]" ?
19:12 CWz             [off] = logbot don't log me
19:12 RichardTheTurd  thats a great Idea. I use the old fashioned limit the connections from an IP
19:13 CWz             pretty sure ddosing in act of crime
19:13 RichardTheTurd  it is
19:13 VanessaE        it IS illegal in some locales
19:13 RichardTheTurd  I know it is in the US
19:13 VanessaE        US, Germany and Canada I'm sure of.
19:13 VanessaE        probably Taiwan and China as well, not that it matters to them
19:13 CWz             so why aren't the cops aren't carpet bombing the perpetrator with books
19:14 RichardTheTurd  because its not a major crime
19:14 est31           because they are busy hunting ahmed mohamed
19:14 est31           poor kid
19:14 RichardTheTurd  all they are doing is jamming a connection to a service/host
19:14 RichardTheTurd  Usually no data leaching is involved
19:15 RichardTheTurd  leeching*
19:15 est31           I guess it depends on the service
19:15 RichardTheTurd  yup
19:16 est31           if they are ddosing mobile networks, they are in bigger trouble
19:16 est31           because 911 112 and such
19:16 est31           (112 is the european equivalent I think)
19:17 RichardTheTurd  I have Ping on WAN blocked in my routers as a precaution
19:17 CWz             i don't think a firewall would stop a ddos
19:17 CWz             firewall would still need to handle the incoming packets
19:17 RichardTheTurd  Its seperate from firewall on DD-WRT if I recall
19:18 RichardTheTurd  separate*
19:19 CWz             well worst comes to worst you can contact your isp and ask them to block the incoming traffic
19:19 RichardTheTurd  Was that to me or Vanessa?
19:21 CWz             [off] the ddoser probably is using a script or website  to ddos the true essence of scriptkiddie
19:21 DI3HARD139      I gotta get some RDRAM for an old P3 system so I can run PFSense on it. | I wouldnt doubt it
19:21 CWz             ^ i have no idea what that means
19:22 CWz             but have fun
19:23 DI3HARD139      RDRAM = Rambus memory. P3 = Pentium 3. PFSense is a Router OS built on BSD
19:44 Megaf           DI3HARD139: Rambus for Pentium III? Are you sure? Most likely is SDRAM
19:47 VanessaE        Megaf: Wiki says RDRAM was used on P3's in some situations.
19:54 Megaf           I see,
19:54 Megaf           oh, and I give up of trying new mods, the latest mod begun wiping out nodes
19:54 Megaf           is a mushroom spawner, it replaces existing nodes with mushrooms
19:54 VanessaE        ew.
19:55 waressearcher2  CWz: why are you using [off] so [off]ten ?
19:56 Megaf           now I have to figure out all mushroom and items names created by the mod and make a mod to replace the unkown nodes
19:56 Megaf           there should be an easier way to replace unknown blocks
19:56 Megaf           or wildcards
19:57 waressearcher2  why would someone ddos someone ?
19:57 DI3HARD139      anger or to piss them off
19:57 VanessaE        waressearcher2: because they're immature, walking garbage.
19:57 Megaf           VanessaE: this is the mod, but the HybridDog version https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?id=6300
19:57 DI3HARD139      Rambus was mostly used for the early P4's and Xeons but it didnt last long
19:58 DI3HARD139      afk again
20:01 Megaf           https://github.com/bdjnk/glow I think this is it
20:05 Megaf           How is the alias thing line again?
20:06 Megaf           minetest.register_alias("stone", "default:stone") :)
20:07 Megaf           so, minetest.register_alias("mod:Old node","mod:new node")
20:07 Megaf           is that it?
20:07 Megaf           VanessaE:
20:08 VanessaE        other way arounfd
20:08 VanessaE        new first, then old.
20:09 VanessaE        no wait
20:09 VanessaE        you had it right.  old (no longer defined) node first, replacement second.
20:11 Megaf           VanessaE: That could have ended up pretty badly
20:13 VanessaE        heh
20:13 VanessaE        well for most mods, aliases aren't permanent
20:14 VanessaE        (that is until the mod goes and acts on one of the aliased nodes, then that node is permanently-changed I think)
20:18 Megaf           I think once you alias something to air, this thing will never come back
20:18 Megaf           meh, due to this buggy mod I have lost several stacks of oil
20:18 Megaf           I got three homedecor chests replaced by air =/
20:19 Megaf           at spawn!
20:19 * DI3HARD139    wishes it was possible to make a multi-world mod for MT like Multi-verse for MC
20:24 DI3HARD139      Well I guess it is possible though not without knowing how to make a mapgen that creates multiple land chunks
20:25 VanessaE        Megaf: damn :(
20:26 VanessaE        note to self:  oil recipe is too cheap >:-)
20:26 DI3HARD139      lol
20:26 Megaf           lol
20:39 Robert_Zenz     DI3HARD139, you can utilize the height that Minetest provides. For example "normal" world at ~0, and from 10k upwards a different realm.
20:40 DI3HARD139      Thats what I was thinking. Not sure how to mod mapgen though
20:40 Robert_Zenz     DI3HARD139, how to modify an existing one, no idea. How to build a new one from scratch with that, easy.
20:42 DI3HARD139      wish there was an example on the wiki
20:43 Robert_Zenz     DI3HARD139, uh, basically just an if, if minp.y > 10000 then realm else normal end.
20:54 waressearcher2  "Multi-verse for MC
20:54 waressearcher2  "Multi-verse for MC", what is that ?
20:55 DI3HARD139      waressearcher2: http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins/multiverse-core/
21:22 sofar           waressearcher2: multiverse allows you to create multiple "worlds" in minecraft. Unlike Minetest, Minecraft allows you to have several "maps" that you can teleport in between (think nether, end, etc.)