Time  Nick           Message
03:14 swift110-phone Hey
03:18 Sokomine       hi
04:23 T4im           waressearcher2: better ask such things here, than in dev, its not an engine question, but a "is there a mod for..." question
04:23 T4im           you generally can find these mods in the forum; but yes, I think there's enchanting mods around and there were definitely a few around village spawning (especially sokomine did a lot in that direction)
04:26 waressearcher2 T4im: so all that stuff possible to do in lua as a separate mod ? I mean GUI change and adding mobs and adding structures like say "lost castle", I mean entire building with stuff ?
04:26 T4im           yea
04:26 waressearcher2 maybe its a good idea to have #minetest-mod channel
04:27 T4im           there is
04:27 T4im           well mods*
04:27 T4im           #minetest-mods that is
04:28 waressearcher2 T4im: is it on website ? I haven't noticed it, I only saw "minetest" and "minetest-dev"
04:29 T4im           http://wiki.minetest.net/IRC
04:59 Sokomine       waressearcher2: it depends on how complex you want your mod to be. just adding a few new nodes is very very easy
05:00 Sokomine       trying to create villages that looked good was a bit more tricky :-)
05:01 Sokomine       waressearcher2: but maybe you just ought to check out the adventuretest server or play a local game. it has much of the content you seem to be looking for
05:02 Sokomine       T4im: i wasn't aware of that mod channel either
05:03 kaeza          #-mods was pretty much dead last time I checked
05:03 kaeza          at least compared to this very channel
05:04 kaeza          in general, engine stuff -> #-dev, everything else, master ca... err, here :)
05:05 kaeza          oh, and also, Greetings
05:05 Sokomine       yes. i sometimes don't notice that a question has been asked in the wrong channel and answer there. sorry for that
05:05 Sokomine       hi kaeza :-)
05:27 waressearcher2 kaeza: what is "master ca" ?
05:28 kaeza          a bad joke I guess
05:31 paramat        closest thing to strongholds https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=9896
09:10 JamesTait      Good morning all; happy Friday, and happy Bring Your Manners To Work Day! 😃
09:11 technics       huhu^^
09:12 technics       i got there a problem i dont understand...im an archer and had the irrlicht segfault problem. now i stuck on this issue: Irrlicht: Warning: The library version of the Irrlicht Engine (1.8.2) does not match the version the application was compiled with (0u). This may cause problems. :(
09:15 technics       oh - and from aur, there is no chance to get the newest package! aur/minetest-git 20150606.8383a61-1 [installed: 20150903.91bf68e-1]
09:15 technics       oh - wait...forget the last thing this is a new one...
09:16 waressearcher2 technics: why not to get all latest versions of Irrlicht and minetest and compile them ?
09:16 technics       community/irrlicht 1.8.2-2 [installed]
09:16 technics       not the latest?
09:32 technics       than my mirrors are to slow with updates? i got the -2 yesterday and though this should be the fix. im confused o.O waressearcher2
09:42 waressearcher2 I'm not the developer, it was a suggestion, you said "Warning: The library version of the Irrlicht Engine does not match the version the application was compiled with", so why not to compile it with matched version ?
09:45 technics       i dont have any idea what version i have to choose :( ...for other guys playing on my server, the regular updates of irrlicht works fine :(
09:45 technics       ...and also choose the latest git version
10:24 waressearcher2 technics: you have your own dedicated server  where others play ?
10:25 waressearcher2 what people usually do on servers ? they just build stuff or go on a journey ? I watched videos of people playing minecraft online, is it as fun to play minetest online ?
10:31 technics       i have two servers... on one, there do mostly there own thing but sometimes playing in team, on the other one, the most player speaking on mumble and playing as one team. i think the answer is yes :)
10:32 technics       on the second server the only admin is offline since yesterday - me . -.- xD
10:39 Megaf_         Hi, anyone interesed in getting stuck in the nether on my server? Come and get stuck with me and help me in fiding freedom
10:40 Megaf_         What's HybridDog IRC nick? I think his nether portal doesn't work
10:40 Megaf_         !server Megaf
10:40 MinetestBot    Megaf_: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 1/11, 1/4 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
10:41 Megaf_         Sokomine: There are four people trapped in the new Nether I put in my server
10:41 Megaf_         JamesTait: Good manners or bad manners?
10:46 JamesTait      Megaf, hopefully good manners. ☺
10:46 Megaf          and if you don't have a work? =/
11:05 Megaf          Amaz: to escape we have to stand in the center and eat a nether fruit, there are nether fruits in the chest
11:06 Amaz           Okay :)
11:24 Megaf          !server Megaf
11:24 MinetestBot    Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 2/11, 1/4 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
11:25 Megaf          what is that 11 and 1/4?
11:25 technics       !server minetest heaven
11:25 MinetestBot    technics: ..:: tchncs :: minetest heaven :: germany ::.. -- WE ARE BACK -- | crafting.tchncs.de | Clients: 1/84, 1/6 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 12ms
11:25 technics       !server illuna
11:25 MinetestBot    technics: the world of ..:: Illuna ::.. ~ be your fantasy | minetest.linux-statt-windows.org | Clients: 0/42, 0/3 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 6ms
11:25 Megaf          typo detected
11:27 Calinou        !server hunger games
11:27 MinetestBot    Calinou: GunshipPenguin's Hunger Games Server | gunshippenguin.com:30001 | Clients: 3/30, 1/5 | Version: 0.4.13 / hungry_games_plus | Ping: 153ms
11:30 Megaf          Hi maxela :)
11:30 maxela         Hi Megaf!
11:30 Megaf          welcome to IRC
11:30 maxela         Thanks!
11:31 Megaf          Calinou: do you know if HybridDog ever join this channel or IRC at all?
11:31 maxela         It was a cool team experience with you in hell ;))
11:31 Megaf          yep, fortunetally we managed to escape
11:31 maxela         oh yes fortunately
11:32 Megaf          I think that we are really missing was eating the fruit,
11:32 maxela         I see
11:39 technics       waaa i wanna play minetest again :'( --- it happens on old irrlicht and old minetest too now ... https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3130#issuecomment-137675007
11:40 Calinou        Megaf, not sure
11:45 rubenwardy     [offtopic] http://pasteboard.co/o4hU14n.png
11:45 rubenwardy     My test of writing a page-orientated information sharing protocol over the Internet.
11:46 rubenwardy     like WWW, but worse
11:47 rubenwardy     C++ with SFML & OpenGL
11:47 Megaf          technics: https://github.com/minetest/minetest/issues/3130#issuecomment-137715396
11:48 Megaf          rubenwardy: you are 30 years or so late, we have Gopher already
11:48 rubenwardy     !g Gopher
11:48 MinetestBot    rubenwardy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gopher
11:48 Megaf          is an alternative to the whole WEB
11:48 Megaf          there is Web, FTP and Gopher
11:48 Megaf          !g gopher project
11:48 MinetestBot    Megaf: http://gopher.floodgap.com/
11:48 rubenwardy     I don't care
11:48 technics       Megaf, hmm its another issue now...but still an issue :(
11:48 Megaf          rubenwardy:  ^
11:49 Megaf          oh dear
11:49 rubenwardy     I'm doing this for fun, not as a practical solution
11:49 waressearcher2 some one has lots of spare time
11:49 xenkey         someone
11:50 technics       The library version of the Irrlicht Engine (1.8.2) does not match [...] Irrlicht: Fatal error, could not get visual.
11:50 technics       it is irrlicht 1.8.2-2
11:55 Megaf          technics: you should join #ArchLinux and full a bug in the ARch tracker
11:55 Megaf          this irrlicht/archlinux bugs has nothing to do with minetest
11:56 technics       okey ... :(
12:11 maxela         Megaf, what mese item for the wand?
12:11 maxela         mese stick?
12:15 Megaf          maxela: mese crystal
12:15 Megaf          maxela: we dont have mese sticks nor mithril sticks,
12:15 Megaf          ####mese crystal####
12:15 Megaf          mese crystal mese crystal mese crystal
12:16 Megaf          #### mithrill ingot ####
12:16 Megaf          #### mithrill ingot ####
12:17 Megaf          $ du -hs bin/minetest
12:17 Megaf          4.0M	bin/minetest
12:17 Megaf          that's a little binary
12:38 maxela         ok thanks
13:22 rubenwardy     progress: https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/oaD9eFt.png
13:24 Calinou        is it standard Markdown?
13:27 rubenwardy     yeah, what's implemented so far
13:27 rubenwardy     which is nothing
13:27 rubenwardy     the only things you can do are
13:28 rubenwardy     #heading
13:28 rubenwardy     and **bold**
13:29 SylvieLorxu    Wow, websites with actual content
13:29 SylvieLorxu    I like this idea
13:29 rubenwardy     I'm going to write a web server and a protocol in TCP
13:30 rubenwardy     yay for reinventing the wheel
13:30 rubenwardy     What's a good CC-BY like license for code?
13:32 rubenwardy     cba, I'll just use WTFPL
13:33 SylvieLorxu    WTFPL is more CC0
13:34 SylvieLorxu    MIT/Expat or 2-clause BSD is probably what you are looking for
13:34 SylvieLorxu    I'd still recommend GPL but meh :P
13:35 SylvieLorxu    GPL is more like CC-BY-SA
13:42 Thomas-S       Hello
13:43 rubenwardy     https://github.com/rubenwardy/RubenML
13:43 Thomas-S       Can someone please explain, how the frames and the framemotor of the technic mod works?
14:14 Jordach        Thomas-S, #minetest-technic
14:14 Thomas-S       ok. thanks
15:41 Sokomine       Megaf: thanks, but i don't like the nether. it's too dark for my taste. i like the caverealms far more
15:43 Sokomine       3
16:02 everamzah      join #minetest
16:02 everamzah      :)
16:03 luizrpgluiz    everamzah: hello
16:05 everamzah      hiya
16:25 * Sokomine     stares at a tree
16:51 luizrpgluiz    Sokomine: ?
16:52 * Sokomine     puts a sapling in front of luizrpgluiz' nose and watches it
16:53 Sokomine       mg_villages does place trees randomly around the villages. there are a lot of ways how trees come into existence. in my case, i use luavoxelmanip. and have to copy functions from default - which really is no long-term solution
16:53 Sokomine       thus...trees. they need new and better code. there are even issues for that on github
16:54 rubenwardy     What would the best way to simulate temperature in Minetest be?
16:55 Sokomine       known ways of defining a tree: directly in the engine (can't do anything about that), functions (as in minetest_game) - sadly, often inaccessible due to using "local", schematics, l-system, manual add_node calls. hope i didn't forget anything...and all just to get those tree-things to spawn
16:55 Sokomine       rubenwardy: doesn't mapgen have biomes of some kind? best talk to paramat about that. afaik temperature uses some perlin noise stuff? but as to the details - i don't know
16:56 T4im           there's a heatmap (noise) I think
16:56 rubenwardy     I mean dynamic temperate
16:56 T4im           but that's only if you don't want to change anything :9
16:56 rubenwardy     ie: at night you should stay inside a house with minimal windows and a fire
16:56 rubenwardy     I guess you could fake it a bit
16:56 Sokomine       or wear clothes?
16:57 rubenwardy     ie: if you're in the open air, it will be cold. if you're near a fire it will be warmer than ambient
16:57 T4im           it never came to mind someone would not :o
16:57 rubenwardy     I'm thinking temperatures of -20c and below at night
16:57 Sokomine       maybe light could be used as an indirect indicator. things that give off visible light often give off heat as well. might not always be true, but energy conserving lamps are pretty rare on mt. for a fire or lava, it would be close enough
16:58 rubenwardy     for it to be truely interesting, it'd have to spread too.
16:58 Sokomine       T4im: clothes are rare. there's a nice mod out there to add them. most people just wear diamond armor. wonder how comftable *that* is....
16:58 T4im           heh
16:58 Sokomine       heat sources usually cover only a small area
16:59 T4im           and how heavy
16:59 Sokomine       maybe it's a very thin layer of diamond...
16:59 rubenwardy     I guess that's good enough
17:00 luizrpgluiz    oh,yes
17:00 T4im           well you could remove any light sources that aren't giving warmth
17:00 T4im           if you don't mind the invasiveness
17:01 T4im           nice idea with the light :)
17:01 Sokomine       so you might just go with a find_nodes_in_area from time to time with a small range. heat loss is no suffucation after all
17:01 rubenwardy     does find_nodes_in_area use VoxelManip?
17:01 rubenwardy     Would it be more efficient to use LVM?
17:01 Sokomine       i doubt so
17:02 Sokomine       voxelmanip does have some overhead
17:02 T4im           it does lead to forceloading a block as well
17:02 Sokomine       reading the data and writing it back is a major time consuming factor in mg_villages. on the other hand, for growing a tree it's insignificant
17:02 Sokomine       well, if there's a player inside, the block will be loaded
17:03 Sokomine       harming mobs at night might not be a good idea. they're plentiful, and they have their fur/feathers. they're adjusted to their environment
17:04 Sokomine       find_nodes_in_area ought to do just fine. a small range will do
17:32 Megaf          is it possible to merge two branches?
17:32 Megaf          on github
17:33 rubenwardy     what do you mean?
17:33 rubenwardy     You'll probably need to use git
17:33 rubenwardy     like you're meant to :P
17:35 Megaf          nevermind,
17:37 rubenwardy     How can I tell if the player is in open air?#
17:37 rubenwardy     minetest.get_node_light(pos, 0.5) = SUN light level, I guess
17:43 CWz            is VanessaE here?
17:51 CWz            found sneak elevator 2.0 with VanessaE's homedecor doors
17:51 CWz            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57PbZyfe7L0&feature=youtu.be
17:58 Megaf          lol CWz
17:59 Megaf          use glass doors or a door that look like window at least :P
18:01 Sokomine       rubenwardy: open air...that's very tricky. we don't have any way to decide if the player is in a building. perhaps search upward from the player? if there's a ceiling withhin...say...6 nodes upward, it might count as a house. at least there'll be protection from rain. for wind...hm...that'd be trickier i guess
18:02 rubenwardy     this is really a core engine thing. it's pretty much like light level, just a different layer
18:25 Calinou        hey, I got Jekyll + Browsersync + Stylus (with Grunt) combo working
18:25 Calinou        awesome for static Web development :)
19:00 Megaf          Calinou: Cool! Now, whats Jekull and Browsersync and Stylus?
19:00 Megaf          It must be interesting
19:03 rubenwardy     jekyllrb.com
19:04 rubenwardy     I wonder if this still works: https://github.com/xyzz/minetest-stress
19:05 rubenwardy     http://dev.minetest.net/User:Xyz/stress
19:13 Calinou        Megaf, Jekyll = static site generator, Browsersync = live reloading and synchronization across browsers (very useful for testing), Stylus = CSS preprocessor
19:13 Calinou        all these are automated using Grunt (task runner)
19:15 Calinou        http://www.commitstrip.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Strip-pour-la-communaut%C3%A9-650-finalenglish1.jpg
19:17 Zaitabai       Hello.
19:19 Calinou        hi Zaitabai
19:20 Zaitabai       I noticed that with farming I barely get any seeds or plants from harvesting. Is this a creative mode bug?
19:21 Calinou        why are you farming in creative mode? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
19:22 Calinou        note that even in non-creative mode, while harvesting crops, you don't get as much seeds as you do in Minecraft
19:22 Megaf          Calinou: Thats very cool and will be useful for me, thanks a million!
19:22 Zaitabai       I'm testting my deadbush I added.
19:23 Calinou        Megaf, Browsersync requires some CLI/Grunt or Gulp knowledge to use it best :) it's also rather tricky to make it work when also using CSS preprocessors or static site generators
19:23 Zaitabai       But I barely get any crops at all, just one crop and one seed.
19:23 Calinou        I can give you my Gruntfile.js
19:24 sofar          Zaitabai: do you use any crops mods?
19:24 Zaitabai       I'd rather just get the crop and no seeds, then make a craft recipe.
19:25 Zaitabai       I tried writing a mod myself, but I kept getting errors until I registered my deedbush in the farming init.lua
19:25 Zaitabai       *deadbush.
19:26 sofar          you should try `crops` - https://forum.minetest.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=11795#p175593 :^)
19:26 Calinou        Zaitabai, add farming mod as a dependency
19:27 Zaitabai       I did that in the config file, still got errors.
19:29 Zaitabai       *depends.txt
19:33 Zaitabai       Thanks sofar, I'll lokk at the crops and learn form it. Nice name btw.
19:46 hexafluoride   how do I get older minetest versions?
19:46 hexafluoride   0.4.12, specifically
19:47 hexafluoride   maybe I'm blind, but the website only links to 0.4.13 for me
19:49 hexafluoride   wait a second, I already have 0.4.12
19:49 hexafluoride   nvm
19:49 Calinou        https://forum.minetest.net/viewforum.php?f=42
19:49 Calinou        you may find some there
19:49 Calinou        we don't have old releases archive right now, maybe we should...
19:49 Calinou        you can compile old sources yourself
19:49 hexafluoride   I got it, thanks anyway
20:03 TheWild        dang! So far (0.4.13) and torches are still flat. Are they meant to be flat?
20:03 Calinou        no, not really, nobody really agreed on 3D torches
20:03 Calinou        even though we have meshnodes
20:03 Calinou        however meshnodes can't have animated textures as far as I know
20:06 Amaz           Calinou, I think they can... I'm sure I've seen something in homedecor that's a mesh and has animated texture.
20:06 Amaz           *textures
20:07 VanessaE       Amaz: 3dforniture torches.
20:08 VanessaE       Calinou: they can, works the same as any other node.  best if you use one material for the animated parts (the flame in the above example) and one or more additional materials for the static parts
20:08 Amaz           Thanks Vanessa!
20:09 VanessaE       yw
20:09 TheWild        wow, thanks. I'm impressed that we have it working in Minetest.
20:13 Megaf          !server Megaf
20:13 MinetestBot    Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 2/11, 1/4 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
20:13 Megaf          It would be cool if the bot showed whos online
20:13 Calinou        yes, I think it's doable
20:16 Zaitabai       I'm using chatzilla firfox plugin, I always thought there was a tab on the left that showed users online.
20:16 Megaf          !server Megaf
20:16 MinetestBot    Megaf: Megaf Server v4.0 | mt.megaf.info:30003 | Clients: 2/11, 1/4 | Version: 0.4.13-Megaf / MegafXploreNext | Ping: 7ms
20:16 Megaf          and it could update faster too
20:17 Zaitabai       Lightgreen = bots, grey = offline/afk, everything else has green dots next to it.
20:17 Calinou        light green are ops, actually, not necessarily bots
20:17 Calinou        some ops are humans and some bots are not ops
20:18 Zaitabai       So do all irc clients show users, or just some of them, because I like chatzilla myself.
20:19 Calinou        nearly all of them do
20:19 Calinou        I use HexChat and it shows user list by default
20:20 xenkey         oats_: nice host
20:20 oats_          xenkey: heh, thanks
20:21 Zaitabai       Has anyone rewritten all the default minetest_game's scripts, or written a MT game from scratch (aside from devs and the original game)?
20:23 Calinou        it never really happened
20:57 nrzkt          !server Applet
20:57 MinetestBot    nrzkt: AppleTree - Survival & Build | minetest.unix-experience.fr | Clients: 7/50, 7/13 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / epixel | Ping: 10ms
21:25 technics       !server heaven
21:25 MinetestBot    technics: ..:: tchncs :: minetest heaven :: germany ::.. -- WE ARE BACK -- | crafting.tchncs.de | Clients: 2/84, 1/7 | Version: 0.4.13-dev / minetest | Ping: 12ms
21:43 freelikegnu    is minetest.net down?
21:44 sfan5          nope
21:45 VanessaE       http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/minetest.net
21:45 freelikegnu    wierd I can reach other sites fine
21:46 freelikegnu    It's not just you! http://minetest.net looks down from here.
21:46 freelikegnu    :P
21:46 freelikegnu    thanks VanessaE
21:46 sfan5          freelikegnu: US?
21:47 VanessaE       (a handy site, that one. and yeah, it's down for me, also)
21:51 freelikegnu    yep
21:51 freelikegnu    in the us
21:52 sfan5          there seem to be some general problems with trans-atlantic connections
21:52 sfan5          works fine from my US vps though
21:52 VanessaE       that would explain the connection problems someone was just complaining about, to one of my servers.
21:52 VanessaE       (pretty sure he's in the US, and the server is in Germany)
21:55 sfan5          VanessaE: seems to be in NL actually
21:55 VanessaE       hm.  well no idea what the actual route is that stuff takes from here to there
21:56 sfan5          mtr is your friend
21:56 sfan5          or traceroute if you dont have mtr
21:58 freelikegnu    nice tool, sfan5
21:58 sfan5          indeed
21:58 VanessaE       looks like it goes right to frankfurt in my case.
21:58 VanessaE       (after a few hops in the US)
21:58 VanessaE       *shrug*
21:59 freelikegnu    I got a better node searh and replace functon going for my mobs
21:59 freelikegnu    er goblins
21:59 freelikegnu    they are starting to actlike a mapgen
21:59 sfan5          VanessaE:   7.|-- asd-s14-rou-1041.NL.eurorings.net (134.222.48.253)  0.0%     3   30.2  22.6  18.9  30.2   6.5 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:00 VanessaE       someone probably "accidentally" cut another undersea cable ;)
22:01 sfan5          possibly
22:07 MinetestBot    02[git] 04paramat -> 03minetest/minetest_game: Fire: Move flame extinguishing to separate faster ABM 13acb0cec http://git.io/vGAjh (152015-09-04T23:05:26+01:00)
22:23 Jordach        wow - my BFD Dev server took up ~120MB of space, while my MTG-Public, took around 768MB
22:43 Jordach        VanessaE, got a copy of sc3000's skyblock world courtesy of Sokomine
22:43 Jordach        http://jordach.net/MTWorlds/stormchaser3000_skyblock_world.zip
22:44 VanessaE       I heardf
22:44 VanessaE       -f